Board 8 > Touhou Mafia - Topic 10: Faith is for the Transient People

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SBell0105
02/18/12 5:32:00 AM
#201:


I'm going to disagree with you here chris, I've yet to touch upon dickery, however, he's a big boy and i dont think he needs you to defend him.

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Achromatic
02/18/12 5:39:00 AM
#202:


He might not need it, but he will have it nonetheless.

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neonreap
02/18/12 5:41:00 AM
#203:


SBell's modkill was total BS

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/18/12 5:57:00 AM
#204:


the town is honestly best served by reaching consensus before the 48 hours are up.

This was my rookie mistake. I thought that with only vote, I would have until the end of the day to present a case, and I had figured a few things out that night before I was lynched that I thought I would have time to present before the day ended. I should have got my ass out of bed right then and started posting. The whole SK thing had me distracted and I knew there was something wrong with Tom's last minute double votes. Sure he proved he couldn't be SK, but I should've seen it earlier that he was scum at that point. The more I thought about it, the less Satori made sense. I even considered Alice, with the logic that a doll could provide an extra vote (plus the Marisa-Alice connection). Unfortunately, by the time I was next online, I had been lynched already. Even so, with suspicions of me being SK, if I had gone after Tom like I went after Raka, I can't feel confident that people would've listened to me. Still, I should've seen Tom's true colors earlier and I'm irritated at myself that I did not, but I feel like others should've figured it out too considering how I was literally blinded by the SK distractions and trying to figure out how to look for that type of player and how to go about convincing people it wasn't me.

Thanks for the compliments everyone. If I had gone with my instincts, I would've gone after Tom thursday night and if I had made my case stick (Vaga suggested Tom might be scum also), we could've lynched him (assuming I was seen as credible and not as a desperate SK trying to avoid the axe) and I would've gone after Reg next. I'm very proud of how I played but I know I could've won the game for town if I had played just a little bit smarter >_<. Still, props to Tom for keeping me distracted and hiding despite that double-vote against Kracko.

Also, losing Ulti (2nd time) and Chris hurt a lot. I knew Chris' claim about the camo item was legit the second he said it. That item is used by Nitori herself in the game. If Chris hadn't been killed, I would've asked for a Raka extermination the second I figured Raka out and I would've fought as hard to convince people that Chris could not be SK as I did that Raka was scum. I also feel like Ulti would've backed me up if he hadn't been killed when he was. If I had Ulti supporting me and had figured out Tom quicker, I am convinced we would've had him and Reg would've been next.

Vaga being the SK was a bit surprising, but in hindsight it makes sense. Marisa is the godfather, Reimu was the best town role and Sanae (who has become the 3rd staple protagonist) is the independant. All three "main characters" on different sides.

All in all that was fun as hell and I am definitely glad I joined. Will definitely continue to play. Might be tougher for me next time if I don't know the flavor as well as I did here, but it's not like I didn't have plenty of adversity this time lol. So yeah, I look forward to the next game

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_Regaro_
02/18/12 6:58:00 AM
#205:


From: Tom Bombadil | #077
but I don't think there will ever be a game with this much purely concentrated derp

as evidenced by a Reg/Tom victory


Let's just run with this

As I said both privately to bolo (And HGR IIRC) and on the board, it was more hilarious than sad how we managed to keep failing at hitting the SK, but reviver SK is just oh so 'what' especially since Ulti flipped town.


Also, did anybody ask Ulti to shut up about Boko Mafia because I'm pretty sure he's the only one who cared about it for more than 5 minutes after it ended and frankly it's more annoying to see him go off about like a narcissistic loser when literally nobody else cares about the game anymore.

From: ImTheMacheteGuy | #204
Will definitely continue to play. Might be tougher for me next time if I don't know the flavor as well as I did her


man who needs flavor meta? I ignored my flavor meta when we shot Boko and Chris (The second time)

Also, I don't see a definitive answer here, but why was Chris allowed to use that invention N2? I mean really now <_<

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masterplum
02/18/12 7:18:00 AM
#206:


This is by far the most hollow win I have ever had

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Silverliner182V
02/18/12 7:25:00 AM
#207:


literally the worst town ever.

tom was obvious scum and contradicted himself. raka was confirmed scum because he didn't protect chris. you guys didn't do my no-lynch plan which would have won us the game

town least valuable player (lvp): death

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Silverliner182V
02/18/12 7:28:00 AM
#208:


mvp was sir chris, honorable mention to caelus

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_Regaro_
02/18/12 7:28:00 AM
#209:


In general, the stronger a faction, the worse is actually plays tbh

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Silverliner182V
02/18/12 7:32:00 AM
#210:


yeah I have no idea how tom got away with no lynching one day after he says "we couldn't no lynch with these kinda numbers"

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htaeD
02/18/12 7:57:00 AM
#211:


fine I apologize for being wrong about you Silver
but you were wrong about me too, so you will have to forgive me for not liking that lvp comment very much

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htaeD
02/18/12 7:59:00 AM
#212:


but of course postgame is all about saying "I told you so"

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Silverliner182V
02/18/12 8:05:00 AM
#213:


yeah I'm not angry, I'm more disappointed more than anything by this point!

generally as a rule of thumb things like mafia shapeshifter and mafia bomb aren't used because they're contradictory to the purpose of the game itself. But you're also a new player so I guess it's kind of unfair to expect you to have meta-knowledge like that from the start.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/18/12 8:06:00 AM
#214:


Also, I don't see a definitive answer here, but why was Chris allowed to use that invention N2? I mean really now <_<

I can't speak for Chris but in the game, the item is broken when Nitori is beaten as mid-boss. When it was given to Chris, it could've just been automatically active until someone attempted to kill him. Meaning simply holding the item saves you from your next death as opposed to "use this item on any given night and if you are killed, it saves you." Can anyone confirm this (or explain otherwise how the item worked) for the sake of curiosity? >_>

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_Regaro_
02/18/12 8:07:00 AM
#215:


From: ImTheMacheteGuy | #214
Also, I don't see a definitive answer here, but why was Chris allowed to use that invention N2? I mean really now <_<

I can't speak for Chris but in the game, the item is broken when Nitori is beaten as mid-boss. When it was given to Chris, it could've just been automatically active until someone attempted to kill him. Meaning simply holding the item saves you from your next death as opposed to "use this item on any given night and if you are killed, it saves you." Can anyone confirm this (or explain otherwise how the item worked) for the sake of curiosity? >_>


man I know the games too you know. I mean MoF is MoF which I don't like much outside of its A+ soundtrack but

But I mean, inventions are not passive things unless HGR decided to do something double weird in which case come the **** on

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/18/12 8:09:00 AM
#216:


well we'll see (if anyone cares to explain)

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_Regaro_
02/18/12 8:09:00 AM
#217:


All we can do at this point

But it bothers me. A lot

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htaeD
02/18/12 8:14:00 AM
#218:


I am not that new actually
I have a longstanding experience as the scumwinning town mislynch x.x

eh I am not angry either, my inagination was in the wrong place
just couldnt see a SKreviver and such

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KingKracko
02/18/12 8:15:00 AM
#219:


All I can laugh about is the fact that despite my godawful day 1 everyone I accused of being scum were scum.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
02/18/12 8:17:00 AM
#220:


KingKracko posted...
All I can laugh about is the fact that despite my godawful day 1 everyone I accused of being scum were scum.

yeah. I had your back even when it looked like one of us was doomed. If I had just been able to convince 1 more person >_<

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KingKracko
02/18/12 8:20:00 AM
#221:


You really did great Caelus, its just Tom was the Wormtongue to Boko's Theoden.

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Articuno2001
02/18/12 8:21:00 AM
#222:


First of all, sorry for my stupid modkill. Totally my fault and I apologize for that.

That being said.

From: HeroicGammaRay | #159
-despite good performances from some individual townies, lynches were mostly pretty awful. there was a big problem of town not voting or waiting until deadline to vote, letting scum virtually guarantee a mislynch. the town is honestly best served by reaching consensus before the 48 hours are up.


This is why most games start and stop at around 9-10 PM EST, it's just easier for more people to be online at that time (sorry htaeD) and it's easier to come to a consensus when everyone is there.

Town got really tricked by scum in the end. At the very least Regaro should have been lynched (my read on him d1 was wrong, but he changed his play slightly here) and Raka was beyond obvious. But I can't really complain too much, I wasn't there at the time.

My other two inventions were a one-use RB, and a vig shot. And no, I don't know how Chris used the item n2, you would have to ask the host for that.

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SpeedYoshi
02/18/12 8:32:00 AM
#223:


ulti should have been modkilled

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Fett0001
02/18/12 9:30:00 AM
#224:


From: SpeedYoshi | #223
ulti should have been modkilled


why?

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th3l3fty
02/18/12 9:31:00 AM
#225:


Ulti spoke while he was dead in the middle of a day

and his post basically implied that he was town

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Fett0001
02/18/12 9:32:00 AM
#226:


From: Articuno2001 | #222
This is why most games start and stop at around 9-10 PM EST, it's just easier for more people to be online at that time (sorry htaeD) and it's easier to come to a consensus when everyone is there.


This is why he had bad deadlines. He wanted people to actually reach consensus against people. The problem? Our days are too short, especially when we have people in radically different timezones.

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Fett0001
02/18/12 9:33:00 AM
#227:


From: th3l3fty | #225
Ulti spoke while he was dead in the middle of a day

and his post basically implied that he was town


the first time, he was dead? I must have missed that.

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th3l3fty
02/18/12 9:34:00 AM
#228:


jdizzy made a post asking if he could be called king

Ulti quoted it and posted "You may." or something like that

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Fett0001
02/18/12 9:35:00 AM
#229:


From: th3l3fty | #228
jdizzy made a post asking if he could be called king

Ulti quoted it and posted "You may." or something like that


Yep. Should never have been able to be revived. Not that it mattered.

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HeroicGammaRay
02/18/12 9:35:00 AM
#230:


well, there was actually a good chance of day 2 starting in the evening, but i didn't get all actions in before i fell asleep
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KingKracko
02/18/12 9:38:00 AM
#231:


Fett, I thought we had bad deadlines because I confirmed later than everyone else. It kind of sucked that I had a role that needed an action every night, when I was completely unavailable most of last weekend due to issues.

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Fett0001
02/18/12 9:57:00 AM
#232:


Hosts normally accept actions early, for future reference.

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SpeedYoshi
02/18/12 9:57:00 AM
#233:


From: Fett0001 | #224
why?


after ulti died the second time, he came into the game ranting. Regardless of content of the post, he should have been modkilled

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HeroicGammaRay
02/18/12 9:59:00 AM
#234:


i was not pleased with that but he was already dead so 'whatever'

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Not_an_Owl
02/18/12 10:07:00 AM
#235:


From: NewerShadow | #179
I think the deadline being early for a majority of the game might have had a part in this. Board 8 town tends to do their best work in the 4PM-midnight EST time block, and when the end time is in there, activity gets concentrated towards the start, middle, and end of days. Here the peak activity points were kind of in the first third and second third, and lynches didn't have the advantage of being in a time with a natural peak of activity (when it matters the most).


The scum team deliberately withheld our actions until the last second the first few nights specifically to keep deadline at 11 AM. HGR yelled at us about it on the scumboard at least once, to which our reply was basically "you're the host, do something about it if you don't like it".

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HeroicGammaRay
02/18/12 10:09:00 AM
#236:


i would have done something about it, but walrus ended up getting the stuff in during pm hours, which i felt was fine
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Not_an_Owl
02/18/12 10:09:00 AM
#237:


From: masterplum | #206
This is by far the most hollow win I have ever had


You had like one post on the scumboard all game and didn't even bother registering an account. Like, I get playing blind day 1 as scum but after you got shot you could have showed up and helped us strategize or something.

From: HeroicGammaRay | #234
i was not pleased with that but he was already dead so 'whatever'

i think almost everyone made some kind of comment after dying. thanks to those who didn't.


You're welcome.

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Luis_Sera89
02/18/12 10:10:00 AM
#238:


For the record, I wasn't in favour of deliberately laming out with the night actions.

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masterplum
02/18/12 10:19:00 AM
#239:


From: Not_an_Owl | #237
You had like one post on the scumboard all game and didn't even bother registering an account. Like, I get playing blind day 1 as scum but after you got shot you could have showed up and helped us strategize or something.


It was hard justifying spending the time keeping up after what happened.

your probably right though

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greengravy294
02/18/12 10:28:00 AM
#240:


i can understand scum wanting to keep deadline so early. It sucks, but it directly benefited them and all.

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_Regaro_
02/18/12 10:34:00 AM
#241:


The only reason I wanted to keep it early was for my cut-day-in-half power and even then I quit caring long before it became relevant

IIRC the only reason that day ended up with a bad deadline was because Walrus wasn't around to get actions in until after HGR fell asleep

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Tom Bombadil
02/18/12 11:49:00 AM
#242:


From: Silverliner182V | Posted: 2/18/2012 9:32:34 AM | #210
yeah I have no idea how tom got away with no lynching one day after he says "we couldn't no lynch with these kinda numbers"


the only times I voted no lynch were my usual D1 and for five seconds somewhere because they required more proof I was doublevoter sooooo

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htaeD
02/18/12 11:54:00 AM
#243:


didnt even get a chance to comment after I died lol

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SBell0105
02/18/12 12:09:00 PM
#244:


Game will still be remembered, atleast for me, as the ****iestly hosted game.

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jdizzy156
02/18/12 12:11:00 PM
#245:


Good game other then the modkills.
Im proud of how I played nailed 2 scum day one. If I didn't have to replace I wouldn't of got lynched.

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Tom Bombadil
02/18/12 12:14:00 PM
#246:


From: SBell0105 | Posted: 2/18/2012 2:09:41 PM | #244
Game will still be remembered, atleast for me, as the ****iestly hosted game.


oh that's right you're still relatively new

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SBell0105
02/18/12 12:17:00 PM
#247:


Well ok, ****iestly hosted game in the last year.

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MysteriousStan
02/18/12 1:03:00 PM
#248:


Thanks for keeping me entertained at work today, everyone. I appreciate it.

Fire Emblem has already been topped for SBell. My that's some sort of an accomplishment.

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_Regaro_
02/18/12 1:05:00 PM
#249:


SBell's just a hater

I for one enjoyed scumhammering the "SK", missing, Shooting the "SK", missing again, and then ending day in two posts and missing the SK for a third time because reviver SK what

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