Board 8 > What if Judge Napolitano was awesome? (Official Ron Paul 2012 topic)

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SmartMuffin 02/20/12 8:13:00 AM #101:	http://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/an-open-letter-to-president-obama -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811620] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> http://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/an-open-letter-to-president-obama -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 9:00:00 AM #102:	The only live stream of the march we have at this moment http://www.ustream.tv/channel/utm_campaign=synclickback&source=http://fr33agents.com/&medium=10370357 -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811621] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> The only live stream of the march we have at this momenthttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/utm_campaign=synclickback&source=http://fr33agents.com/&medium=10370357 -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cloud and Squall 02/20/12 9:19:00 AM #103:	I remember watching Fox News one time (I know, LOL Faux News, but I happen to like Sheppard Smith), and they're like "Call in to Repeal it now!" And so I call in, because I'm not a fan of Obama's plan. Then five minutes later I get a call from them asking me to donate money. It seems to me that if all the money spent on politics was given to the government instead, that we'd be in much better shape. But I may be wrong about that. But Obama is nothing if not a great fundraiser. -- See You In Another Life, Brother. New York Giants - The Patriot Slayers <cite>Cloud and Squall posted [p:811622] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> I remember watching Fox News one time (I know, LOL Faux News, but I happen to like Sheppard Smith), and they're like "Call in to Repeal it now!"And so I call in, because I'm not a fan of Obama's plan. Then five minutes later I get a call from them asking me to donate money. It seems to me that if all the money spent on politics was given to the government instead, that we'd be in much better shape. But I may be wrong about that. But Obama is nothing if not a great fundraiser. -- See You In Another Life, Brother.New York Giants - The Patriot Slayers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 9:21:00 AM #104:	the AVTM stream is up http://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/ron-paul-is-the-choice-of-the-troops-livestream -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811623] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> the AVTM stream is uphttp://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/ron-paul-is-the-choice-of-the-troops-livestream -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/20/12 10:06:00 AM #105:	Is it supposed to be a black screen? -- _foolmo_ 'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:811624] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Is it supposed to be a black screen? -- _foolmo_'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 10:47:00 AM #106:	It's back now. They're definitely having difficulties. The fr33 agents one seems to be a little more stable. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811625] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> It's back now. They're definitely having difficulties. The fr33 agents one seems to be a little more stable. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 02/20/12 11:07:00 AM #107:	Are there really people who wanted Obama that are so fed up that they're stumping for Ron Paul? I feel like the people who are mad at Obama for not living up to promises are mad at him for not supporting things like universal health care, or other, larger government things. I mean, I'm very disillusioned with the job Obama has done, but I'm not gonna do a total 180 and declare that Ron Paul is right. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:811626] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Are there really people who wanted Obama that are so fed up that they're stumping for Ron Paul? I feel like the people who are mad at Obama for not living up to promises are mad at him for not supporting things like universal health care, or other, larger government things. I mean, I'm very disillusioned with the job Obama has done, but I'm not gonna do a total 180 and declare that Ron Paul is right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/20/12 11:08:00 AM #108:	Holy ** that's a lot of people -- _foolmo_ mobile computer <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:811627] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Holy ** that's a lot of people -- _foolmo_mobile computer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 11:08:00 AM #109:	Anyone who was anti-war should be 100% anti-Obama. Obama's foreign policy thus far has been the exact same as George W Bush's. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811628] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Anyone who was anti-war should be 100% anti-Obama.Obama's foreign policy thus far has been the exact same as George W Bush's. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 11:09:00 AM #110:	Also, how can you be mad at Obama for "not supporting universal health care" Where have you BEEN for the past four years? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811629] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Also, how can you be mad at Obama for "not supporting universal health care"Where have you BEEN for the past four years? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 11:11:00 AM #111:	Are there really people who wanted Obama that are so fed up that they're stumping for Ron Paul? I feel like the people who are mad at Obama for not living up to promises are mad at him for not supporting things like universal health care, or other, larger government things. I mean, I'm very disillusioned with the job Obama has done, but I'm not gonna do a total 180 and declare that Ron Paul is right. they're mad because Obama's campaign promises were entirely rhetoric and his actual policies were not any different than any of the other last five presidents. does it really matter whether Romney or Gingrich or Obama wins? not really, with some very minor differences they're all going to screw the American people over in the same way. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:811630] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Are there really people who wanted Obama that are so fed up that they're stumping for Ron Paul? I feel like the people who are mad at Obama for not living up to promises are mad at him for not supporting things like universal health care, or other, larger government things. I mean, I'm very disillusioned with the job Obama has done, but I'm not gonna do a total 180 and declare that Ron Paul is right.they're mad because Obama's campaign promises were entirely rhetoric and his actual policies were not any different than any of the other last five presidents. does it really matter whether Romney or Gingrich or Obama wins? not really, with some very minor differences they're all going to screw the American people over in the same way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 11:12:00 AM #112:	Also, how can you be mad at Obama for "not supporting universal health care" Where have you BEEN for the past four years? I'd say "wanting universal healthcare" is a majority position in the US. just no one wants the disaster that they passed a couple years back. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:811631] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Also, how can you be mad at Obama for "not supporting universal health care"Where have you BEEN for the past four years?I'd say "wanting universal healthcare" is a majority position in the US. just no one wants the disaster that they passed a couple years back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 11:16:00 AM #113:	I'd say "wanting universal healthcare" is a majority position in the US. just no one wants the disaster that they passed a couple years back. Don't lie, at the time all of you leftists wanted it to the extent that anyone who opposed it was labeled an evil racist who wanted all poor people to die. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811632] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> I'd say "wanting universal healthcare" is a majority position in the US. just no one wants the disaster that they passed a couple years back.Don't lie, at the time all of you leftists wanted it to the extent that anyone who opposed it was labeled an evil racist who wanted all poor people to die. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 11:19:00 AM #114:	as you'll recall, Obama originally pushed for something quite different from what we ended up with. after using fear of death panels and other dumb stuff, Republicans came with "concerns" which eventually lead us to the mess we have now. I think the Democrats should've recognized what had happened to their bill and just killed the whole thing at that point, but they wanted to say "hey look what we did, now everyone has health care" so they kept chugging along. and now Republicans can scream about an Obamacare policy that they helped craft into something awful. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:811633] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> as you'll recall, Obama originally pushed for something quite different from what we ended up with. after using fear of death panels and other dumb stuff, Republicans came with "concerns" which eventually lead us to the mess we have now. I think the Democrats should've recognized what had happened to their bill and just killed the whole thing at that point, but they wanted to say "hey look what we did, now everyone has health care" so they kept chugging along. and now Republicans can scream about an Obamacare policy that they helped craft into something awful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VincentLauw 02/20/12 11:21:00 AM #115:	From: red sox 777 \| #054 other countries manage it pretty well. They don't. Where do the world's super rich go for medical treatment? The United States. Where they pay for super expensive procedures out of pocket. It is literally impossible for us to give this kind of treatment to everyone at this time. But 20 years down the line, these procedures will be readily available to the commoner. And there will be a new set of ultra expensive medical procedures only available to the super rich. This is dumb and you should feel dumb most people who are in money trouble and can't pay their medical bills don't have some ultra rare disease that is only treatable in the US. Stop living in a fantasy world then again, you are red sox. -- http://i.imgur.com/FOUxQ.gif <cite>VincentLauw posted [p:811634] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> From: red sox 777 \| #054other countries manage it pretty well.They don't. Where do the world's super rich go for medical treatment? The United States. Where they pay for super expensive procedures out of pocket. It is literally impossible for us to give this kind of treatment to everyone at this time.But 20 years down the line, these procedures will be readily available to the commoner. And there will be a new set of ultra expensive medical procedures only available to the super rich.This is dumb and you should feel dumbmost people who are in money trouble and can't pay their medical bills don't have some ultra rare disease that is only treatable in the US. Stop living in a fantasy worldthen again, you are red sox. -- http://i.imgur.com/FOUxQ.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/20/12 11:23:00 AM #116:	From: OmarsComin \| #111 they're mad because Obama's campaign promises were entirely rhetoric and his actual policies were not any different than any of the other last five presidents. does it really matter whether Romney or Gingrich or Obama wins? not really, with some very minor differences they're all going to screw the American people over in the same way. I think this is a pretty important point. Tons of people voted Obama because they thought he was genuine and would actually change things, but it turned out he was yet another corporate puppet. People have since valued honesty and consistency very highly, even enough to wildly change their mindly to support RP. -- _foolmo_ mobile computer <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:811635] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> From: OmarsComin \| #111they're mad because Obama's campaign promises were entirely rhetoric and his actual policies were not any different than any of the other last five presidents. does it really matter whether Romney or Gingrich or Obama wins? not really, with some very minor differences they're all going to screw the American people over in the same way.I think this is a pretty important point. Tons of people voted Obama because they thought he was genuine and would actually change things, but it turned out he was yet another corporate puppet.People have since valued honesty and consistency very highly, even enough to wildly change their mindly to support RP. -- _foolmo_mobile computer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 11:32:00 AM #117:	BTW - stream's back, they're forming up for the march http://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/ron-paul-is-the-choice-of-the-troops-livestream If you get a database error, just keep trying, server is getting overloaded with traffic. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811636] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> BTW - stream's back, they're forming up for the marchhttp://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/ron-paul-is-the-choice-of-the-troops-livestreamIf you get a database error, just keep trying, server is getting overloaded with traffic. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pacmantis 02/20/12 11:37:00 AM #118:	What is this march about -- Muglekoopo14 Wakka wakka wakka consumes you <cite>Pacmantis posted [p:811637] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> What is this march about -- Muglekoopo14Wakka wakka wakka consumes you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 11:41:00 AM #119:	"Ron Paul is the choice of the troops" The formation is being led by active duty and veterans. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811638] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> "Ron Paul is the choice of the troops"The formation is being led by active duty and veterans. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/20/12 11:43:00 AM #120:	most people who are in money trouble and can't pay their medical bills don't have some ultra rare disease that is only treatable in the US. Way to completely misunderstand. Most people with medical problems have conditions that are treatable now, but wouldn't have been 50 or 100 years ago. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:811639] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> most people who are in money trouble and can't pay their medical bills don't have some ultra rare disease that is only treatable in the US.Way to completely misunderstand. Most people with medical problems have conditions that are treatable now, but wouldn't have been 50 or 100 years ago. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 11:47:00 AM #121:	sounds like the camera girl is getting tired lol -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811640] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> sounds like the camera girl is getting tired lol -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 11:55:00 AM #122:	That was a pretty smooth about face if I may say so myself! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811641] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> That was a pretty smooth about face if I may say so myself! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 12:01:00 PM #123:	8 minutes is a long time to hold a salute -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811642] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> 8 minutes is a long time to hold a salute -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 12:02:00 PM #124:	8 minutes is a long time to hold a salute only if you hate freedom <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:811643] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> 8 minutes is a long time to hold a saluteonly if you hate freedom </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook7 02/20/12 12:02:00 PM #125:	my boys and i were ridin bikes round the hood today and we saw somebody with a ron paul sign in their front yard so we just went up to their door and introduced ourselves and thanked them for not making america suck they were nice people EDIT: and they invited us to a ron paul rally on march 25 so im going to that! -- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 <cite>TomNook7 posted [p:811644] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> my boys and i were ridin bikes round the hood today and we saw somebody with a ron paul sign in their front yardso we just went up to their door and introduced ourselves and thanked them for not making america suckthey were nice peopleEDIT: and they invited us to a ron paul rally on march 25 so im going to that! -- Genesis does what Nintendon'thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 12:03:00 PM #126:	only if you hate freedom oh yeah college boy? I don't even think you're physically capable of it! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811645] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> only if you hate freedomoh yeah college boy? I don't even think you're physically capable of it! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VincentLauw 02/20/12 12:07:00 PM #127:	From: red sox 777 \| #120 most people who are in money trouble and can't pay their medical bills don't have some ultra rare disease that is only treatable in the US. Way to completely misunderstand. Most people with medical problems have conditions that are treatable now, but wouldn't have been 50 or 100 years ago. So? Way to completely miss my point that healthcare in most of Western Europe (and Canada) is one of those things that is done infinitely better than the US. it doesn't matter that that wasn't the case 50 or 100 years ago -- http://img.imgcake.com/thegoodpartgifja.gif <cite>VincentLauw posted [p:811646] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> From: red sox 777 \| #120most people who are in money trouble and can't pay their medical bills don't have some ultra rare disease that is only treatable in the US.Way to completely misunderstand. Most people with medical problems have conditions that are treatable now, but wouldn't have been 50 or 100 years ago.So? Way to completely miss my point that healthcare in most of Western Europe (and Canada) is one of those things that is done infinitely better than the US. it doesn't matter that that wasn't the case 50 or 100 years ago -- http://img.imgcake.com/thegoodpartgifja.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 12:08:00 PM #128:	And you're CERTAINLY not capable of praying for 20 minutes straight! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811647] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> And you're CERTAINLY not capable of praying for 20 minutes straight! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 12:10:00 PM #129:	god and I say everything we need to say in about 30 seconds, we're very efficient. taking any longer than that is just grandstanding. god is a busy man and gets bored quickly. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:811648] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> god and I say everything we need to say in about 30 seconds, we're very efficient. taking any longer than that is just grandstanding. god is a busy man and gets bored quickly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 12:19:00 PM #130:	Stream down for a battery recharge - don't worry, they're still praying! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811649] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Stream down for a battery recharge - don't worry, they're still praying! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 12:32:00 PM #131:	Marching back to the monument. Not sure if anything else is planned or not. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/megmclain -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811650] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Marching back to the monument. Not sure if anything else is planned or not.http://www.ustream.tv/channel/megmclain -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/20/12 12:49:00 PM #132:	So? Way to completely miss my point that healthcare in most of Western Europe (and Canada) is one of those things that is done infinitely better than the US. it doesn't matter that that wasn't the case 50 or 100 years ago The point is that without someone developing advancements, they won't happen. Socialized medicine tends to slow advancement. It may be better for more people now, but posterity will pay the price. IMO this is really the biggest problem with socialized medicine, and it's almost never addressed in the media. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:811651] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> So? Way to completely miss my point that healthcare in most of Western Europe (and Canada) is one of those things that is done infinitely better than the US. it doesn't matter that that wasn't the case 50 or 100 years agoThe point is that without someone developing advancements, they won't happen. Socialized medicine tends to slow advancement. It may be better for more people now, but posterity will pay the price. IMO this is really the biggest problem with socialized medicine, and it's almost never addressed in the media. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/20/12 12:50:00 PM #133:	And as I said before, the US is moving more and more towards a worst of both worlds approach. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:811652] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> And as I said before, the US is moving more and more towards a worst of both worlds approach. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 12:54:00 PM #134:	Looks like they're about done. So I'm moving on to other things. Good march, though! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811653] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Looks like they're about done. So I'm moving on to other things. Good march, though! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 02/20/12 1:07:00 PM #135:	*OmarsComin posted...* they're mad because Obama's campaign promises were entirely rhetoric and his actual policies were not any different than any of the other last five presidents. does it really matter whether Romney or Gingrich or Obama wins? not really, with some very minor differences they're all going to screw the American people over in the same way. That's not my point though. I get why they're angry, but supporting Ron Paul seems like the wrong way to go. The rhetoric was a very leftist, almost gasp Socialist message, and Ron Paul is the opposite of that. Ron Paul in power is the wrong direction to go. Sure, he wouldn't push anything super far in that direction, but any distance in that direction is bad. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:811654] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> OmarsComin posted...they're mad because Obama's campaign promises were entirely rhetoric and his actual policies were not any different than any of the other last five presidents. does it really matter whether Romney or Gingrich or Obama wins? not really, with some very minor differences they're all going to screw the American people over in the same way.That's not my point though. I get why they're angry, but supporting Ron Paul seems like the wrong way to go. The rhetoric was a very leftist, almost gasp Socialist message, and Ron Paul is the opposite of that.Ron Paul in power is the wrong direction to go. Sure, he wouldn't push anything super far in that direction, but any distance in that direction is bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/20/12 1:52:00 PM #136:	From: yoshifan823 \| #135 That's not my point though. I get why they're angry, but supporting Ron Paul seems like the wrong way to go. The rhetoric was a very leftist, almost gasp Socialist message, and Ron Paul is the opposite of that. Ron Paul in power is the wrong direction to go. Sure, he wouldn't push anything super far in that direction, but any distance in that direction is bad. The point is that people are realizing that the rhetoric doesn't matter. It matters what a candidate is actually willing to do, and when you're the ONLY one that can honestly say "I will bring the troops home" and "I will cut spending" and "I will defend personal liberties", then you get a lot of fans from every point on the political spectrum. -- _foolmo_ mobile computer <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:811655] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> From: yoshifan823 \| #135That's not my point though. I get why they're angry, but supporting Ron Paul seems like the wrong way to go. The rhetoric was a very leftist, almost gasp Socialist message, and Ron Paul is the opposite of that.Ron Paul in power is the wrong direction to go. Sure, he wouldn't push anything super far in that direction, but any distance in that direction is bad.The point is that people are realizing that the rhetoric doesn't matter. It matters what a candidate is actually willing to do, and when you're the ONLY one that can honestly say "I will bring the troops home" and "I will cut spending" and "I will defend personal liberties", then you get a lot of fans from every point on the political spectrum. -- _foolmo_mobile computer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/20/12 1:53:00 PM #137:	Many Obama supporters wanted more freedom, less war, and less corporate control over government. The ones who wanted socialism probably are not the ones now supporting Ron Paul. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:811656] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Many Obama supporters wanted more freedom, less war, and less corporate control over government. The ones who wanted socialism probably are not the ones now supporting Ron Paul. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/20/12 1:55:00 PM #138:	And I'd say Obama's campaign rhetoric was really not that leftist at all. Perhaps leftists heard it and thought it was, but then, non-leftists also heard what they wanted to hear. It was very well designed in that sense. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:811657] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> And I'd say Obama's campaign rhetoric was really not that leftist at all. Perhaps leftists heard it and thought it was, but then, non-leftists also heard what they wanted to hear. It was very well designed in that sense. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook7 02/20/12 5:22:00 PM #139:	-- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 <cite>TomNook7 posted [p:811658] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> -- Genesis does what Nintendon'thttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 02/20/12 5:33:00 PM #140:	*red sox 777 posted...* Many Obama supporters wanted more freedom, less war, and less corporate control over government. The ones who wanted socialism probably are not the ones now supporting Ron Paul. "More freedom" is just as vague as "hope and change". I would love "more freedom", but so few people know what "more freedom" means, and can twist it to mean just about whatever they want. I'll give you the other two. Also, Ron Paul wouldn't give "more freedom" to the people, he'd give "more freedom" to the states. Whether they passed that down to the people would be up to them, and there would be quite a few states that wouldn't. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:811659] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> red sox 777 posted...Many Obama supporters wanted more freedom, less war, and less corporate control over government. The ones who wanted socialism probably are not the ones now supporting Ron Paul."More freedom" is just as vague as "hope and change". I would love "more freedom", but so few people know what "more freedom" means, and can twist it to mean just about whatever they want. I'll give you the other two.Also, Ron Paul wouldn't give "more freedom" to the people, he'd give "more freedom" to the states. Whether they passed that down to the people would be up to them, and there would be quite a few states that wouldn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/20/12 5:41:00 PM #141:	Seems you should be taking just as much issue with people for supporting Obama in the first place as you are with them now supporting Ron Paul. Why do you think they supported Obama in the first place? For ideas like freedom, transparency, hope, and change. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:811660] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> Seems you should be taking just as much issue with people for supporting Obama in the first place as you are with them now supporting Ron Paul. Why do you think they supported Obama in the first place? For ideas like freedom, transparency, hope, and change. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 02/20/12 5:45:00 PM #142:	"More freedom" is just as vague as "hope and change". AFAIK RP hasn't based his campaign on "vote for me and I'll give you more freedom." hope and change is an example of meaningless rhetoric, and it's rhetoric that saw a lot of use during Obama's campaign. more freedom is just a simple description attached the the policies RP wants to pursue. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:811661] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> "More freedom" is just as vague as "hope and change".AFAIK RP hasn't based his campaign on "vote for me and I'll give you more freedom." hope and change is an example of meaningless rhetoric, and it's rhetoric that saw a lot of use during Obama's campaign. more freedom is just a simple description attached the the policies RP wants to pursue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshifan823 02/20/12 6:00:00 PM #143:	*red sox 777 posted...* Seems you should be taking just as much issue with people for supporting Obama in the first place as you are with them now supporting Ron Paul. Why do you think they supported Obama in the first place? For ideas like freedom, transparency, hope, and change. I've wizened up. When Obama was running, I was 16/17 and all I knew was Obama was awesome where Bush blew. I didn't look into the actual policy he was talking about (there wasn't a lot there, either), but this time I have, for both sides, and I could live with having Obama as president for 4 more years. Not happily, mind you, but 100% more than any of the republican candidates. <cite>yoshifan823 posted [p:811662] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> red sox 777 posted...Seems you should be taking just as much issue with people for supporting Obama in the first place as you are with them now supporting Ron Paul. Why do you think they supported Obama in the first place? For ideas like freedom, transparency, hope, and change.I've wizened up. When Obama was running, I was 16/17 and all I knew was Obama was awesome where Bush blew. I didn't look into the actual policy he was talking about (there wasn't a lot there, either), but this time I have, for both sides, and I could live with having Obama as president for 4 more years. Not happily, mind you, but 100% more than any of the republican candidates. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 7:25:00 PM #144:	"More freedom" is just as vague as "hope and change". I would love "more freedom", but so few people know what "more freedom" means, and can twist it to mean just about whatever they want. I'll give you the other two. No it isn't. On any given issue, it's pretty obvious which position results in more freedom and which results in less, and you can be pretty damn sure that Ron Paul will always be on the side of more. Also, Ron Paul wouldn't give "more freedom" to the people, he'd give "more freedom" to the states. Whether they passed that down to the people would be up to them, and there would be quite a few states that wouldn't. All other things being equal, power to the states results in more freedom than power to the federal government. The closer the government is to you, the more responsive it is to your concerns. The smaller and less powerful the government is, the easier more competition springs up between governments. The founders understood this. You should read up on them sometime. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811663] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> "More freedom" is just as vague as "hope and change". I would love "more freedom", but so few people know what "more freedom" means, and can twist it to mean just about whatever they want. I'll give you the other two.No it isn't. On any given issue, it's pretty obvious which position results in more freedom and which results in less, and you can be pretty damn sure that Ron Paul will always be on the side of more.Also, Ron Paul wouldn't give "more freedom" to the people, he'd give "more freedom" to the states. Whether they passed that down to the people would be up to them, and there would be quite a few states that wouldn't.All other things being equal, power to the states results in more freedom than power to the federal government. The closer the government is to you, the more responsive it is to your concerns. The smaller and less powerful the government is, the easier more competition springs up between governments. The founders understood this. You should read up on them sometime. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/20/12 7:34:00 PM #145:	*SmartMuffin posted...* No it isn't. On any given issue, it's pretty obvious which position results in more freedom and which results in less, and you can be pretty damn sure that Ron Paul will always be on the side of more. What about abortion? All other things being equal, power to the states results in more freedom than power to the federal government. The closer the government is to you, the more responsive it is to your concerns. The smaller and less powerful the government is, the easier more competition springs up between governments. The founders understood this. You should read up on them sometime. Except the founders tried minimal central government under the Articles of Confederation, and then realized they had made a mistake. -- No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga I wanted Sonic/Shadow romance at that time, not sex. - MWE <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:811664] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> SmartMuffin posted...No it isn't. On any given issue, it's pretty obvious which position results in more freedom and which results in less, and you can be pretty damn sure that Ron Paul will always be on the side of more.What about abortion?All other things being equal, power to the states results in more freedom than power to the federal government. The closer the government is to you, the more responsive it is to your concerns. The smaller and less powerful the government is, the easier more competition springs up between governments. The founders understood this. You should read up on them sometime.Except the founders tried minimal central government under the Articles of Confederation, and then realized they had made a mistake. -- No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - GuigaI wanted Sonic/Shadow romance at that time, not sex. - MWE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 7:37:00 PM #146:	What about abortion? The fetus has rights too. Except the founders tried minimal central government under the Articles of Confederation, and then realized they had made a mistake. Except that this is a complete red herring. It rests on the assumption that the federal government today has the exact same power as it did originally under the constitution. This is obviously not the case. Notice how Ron Paul's supporters aren't saying "replace the constitution with the articles of confederation" but rather "how about we do what the constitution actually says" -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811665] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> What about abortion?The fetus has rights too.Except the founders tried minimal central government under the Articles of Confederation, and then realized they had made a mistake.Except that this is a complete red herring. It rests on the assumption that the federal government today has the exact same power as it did originally under the constitution. This is obviously not the case. Notice how Ron Paul's supporters aren't saying "replace the constitution with the articles of confederation" but rather "how about we do what the constitution actually says" -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/20/12 7:44:00 PM #147:	*SmartMuffin posted...* The fetus has rights too. So if you take that stance, there are two competing freedoms here. It's no longer "obvious" which side maximizes freedom. Except that this is a complete red herring. It rests on the assumption that the federal government today has the exact same power as it did originally under the constitution. This is obviously not the case. Notice how Ron Paul's supporters aren't saying "replace the constitution with the articles of confederation" but rather "how about we do what the constitution actually says" We live in a different times than the founding fathers did. As the country has grown, what we need out of the government has changed. You can argue that government is currently too big, but to say that the founding fathers knew in the 1700s what would be best for the country in the 2000s is just silly. -- No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga I wanted Sonic/Shadow romance at that time, not sex. - MWE <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:811666] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> SmartMuffin posted...The fetus has rights too.So if you take that stance, there are two competing freedoms here. It's no longer "obvious" which side maximizes freedom.Except that this is a complete red herring. It rests on the assumption that the federal government today has the exact same power as it did originally under the constitution. This is obviously not the case. Notice how Ron Paul's supporters aren't saying "replace the constitution with the articles of confederation" but rather "how about we do what the constitution actually says"We live in a different times than the founding fathers did. As the country has grown, what we need out of the government has changed. You can argue that government is currently too big, but to say that the founding fathers knew in the 1700s what would be best for the country in the 2000s is just silly. -- No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - GuigaI wanted Sonic/Shadow romance at that time, not sex. - MWE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/20/12 7:57:00 PM #148:	So if you take that stance, there are two competing freedoms here. It's no longer "obvious" which side maximizes freedom. I'll give you that. Although it's essentially the same argument as "well if we have freedom then that means im free to kill you lol" We live in a different times than the founding fathers did. As the country has grown, what we need out of the government has changed. You can argue that government is currently too big, but to say that the founding fathers knew in the 1700s what would be best for the country in the 2000s is just silly. That's why they made it possible to amend the constitution. Which we don't do. Instead we just ignore it. Which is wrong. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:811667] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> So if you take that stance, there are two competing freedoms here. It's no longer "obvious" which side maximizes freedom.I'll give you that. Although it's essentially the same argument as "well if we have freedom then that means im free to kill you lol"We live in a different times than the founding fathers did. As the country has grown, what we need out of the government has changed. You can argue that government is currently too big, but to say that the founding fathers knew in the 1700s what would be best for the country in the 2000s is just silly.That's why they made it possible to amend the constitution. Which we don't do. Instead we just ignore it. Which is wrong. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/20/12 8:22:00 PM #149:	From: LordoftheMorons \| #147 We live in a different times than the founding fathers did. As the country has grown, what we need out of the government has changed. You can argue that government is currently too big, but to say that the founding fathers knew in the 1700s what would be best for the country in the 2000s is just silly. I guess we have outgrown asking Congress if we can go to war. I guess we have outgrown the 1st amendment. I guess we have outgrown due process. I guess we have outgrown a good economy. And it goes on. Go read the Constitution and tell me what parts of it shouldn't apply today. It should be pretty simple. They put in amendments for a reason, they put in the elastic clause for a reason. The rest is there for a reason, too, we can't just ignore it. -- _foolmo_ 'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:811668] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> From: LordoftheMorons \| #147We live in a different times than the founding fathers did. As the country has grown, what we need out of the government has changed. You can argue that government is currently too big, but to say that the founding fathers knew in the 1700s what would be best for the country in the 2000s is just silly.I guess we have outgrown asking Congress if we can go to war. I guess we have outgrown the 1st amendment. I guess we have outgrown due process. I guess we have outgrown a good economy. And it goes on.Go read the Constitution and tell me what parts of it shouldn't apply today. It should be pretty simple. They put in amendments for a reason, they put in the elastic clause for a reason. The rest is there for a reason, too, we can't just ignore it. -- _foolmo_'but that statement is something only an Aspergers patient would say' - UltimaterializerX </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/20/12 8:30:00 PM #150:	The biggest changes are: 1. 14th Amendment (Equal Protection, Due Process, Extension of Bill of Rights to the states) 2. 16th Amendment (Income Tax) 3. The vast expansion of the Commerce Power after 1937. Blame FDR for this one. There's a good chance we see the 3rd Commerce Power law since 1937 struck down as unconstitutional this year though! (Obamacare, that is) -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:811669] in What if Ju... [t:61996723]...</cite> <quote> The biggest changes are:1. 14th Amendment (Equal Protection, Due Process, Extension of Bill of Rights to the states)2. 16th Amendment (Income Tax)3. The vast expansion of the Commerce Power after 1937. Blame FDR for this one.There's a good chance we see the 3rd Commerce Power law since 1937 struck down as unconstitutional this year though! (Obamacare, that is) -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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