Board 8 > seriously though, there isn't a single good argument against gay marriage

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GrapefruitKing 02/23/12 12:56:00 PM #1:	not one -- http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3yjnfEQ31qzn70vo1_500.gif <cite>GrapefruitKing posted [p:830917] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> not one -- http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3yjnfEQ31qzn70vo1_500.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrapefruitKing 02/23/12 1:23:00 PM #2:	apparently I was correct -- http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3yjnfEQ31qzn70vo1_500.gif <cite>GrapefruitKing posted [p:830918] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> apparently I was correct -- http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3yjnfEQ31qzn70vo1_500.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 02/23/12 1:25:00 PM #3:	What do you mean by "gay marriage"? Just the act of gays marrying, or the legalization of gay marriage? -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:830919] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> What do you mean by "gay marriage"? Just the act of gays marrying, or the legalization of gay marriage? -- _foolmo_'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrapefruitKing 02/23/12 1:28:00 PM #4:	good diagram -- http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3yjnfEQ31qzn70vo1_500.gif <cite>GrapefruitKing posted [p:830920] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> good diagram -- http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3yjnfEQ31qzn70vo1_500.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 1:29:00 PM #5:	correct -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830921] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> correct -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RevolverSaro 02/23/12 1:31:00 PM #6:	I once had a friend who used the seperation of church and state as a means of attacking gay marriage. He said that by legalizing gay marriage, the government is forcing homosexuality on religion -- "Don't freeze up girl, you're looking quite a sight." - Adam Ant. "Baby, can you dig your man? He's a righteous man." - Larry Underwood <cite>RevolverSaro posted [p:830922] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> I once had a friend who used the seperation of church and state as a means of attacking gay marriage. He said that by legalizing gay marriage, the government is forcing homosexuality on religion -- "Don't freeze up girl, you're looking quite a sight." - Adam Ant."Baby, can you dig your man? He's a righteous man." - Larry Underwood </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
special_sauce 02/23/12 1:38:00 PM #7:	That's included in the diagram (albeit, barely) It's the only semi-reasonable argument, though I had a friend who was gay and against gay marriage for that reason. Or for attention. -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmas http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/special-sauce-is-my-friend.jpg <cite>special_sauce posted [p:830923] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> That's included in the diagram (albeit, barely)It's the only semi-reasonable argument, thoughI had a friend who was gay and against gay marriage for that reason.Or for attention. -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmashttp://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/special-sauce-is-my-friend.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/23/12 1:40:00 PM #8:	Yeah, but legalizing gay marriage doesn't necessarily mandate forcing churches to accept it. It can just be recognized by the state. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:830924] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, but legalizing gay marriage doesn't necessarily mandate forcing churches to accept it. It can just be recognized by the state. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 1:40:00 PM #9:	If you make a statement like saying there isn't a single good argument against something, you might want to actually make an argument supporting your position. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830925] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> If you make a statement like saying there isn't a single good argument against something, you might want to actually make an argument supporting your position. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 02/23/12 1:42:00 PM #10:	If you make a statement like saying there isn't a single good argument against something, you might want to actually make an argument supporting your position. When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position? <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:830926] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> If you make a statement like saying there isn't a single good argument against something, you might want to actually make an argument supporting your position.When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cloud and Squall 02/23/12 1:42:00 PM #11:	Banning Gay Marriage will lead to the mass exodus of gay people. Which, if you are homophobic, is something you'd want. -- See You In Another Life, Brother. New York Giants - The Patriot Slayers <cite>Cloud and Squall posted [p:830927] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Banning Gay Marriage will lead to the mass exodus of gay people. Which, if you are homophobic, is something you'd want. -- See You In Another Life, Brother.New York Giants - The Patriot Slayers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 02/23/12 1:42:00 PM #12:	From: RevolverSaro \| #006 I once had a friend who used the seperation of church and state as a means of attacking gay marriage. He said that by legalizing gay marriage, the government is forcing homosexuality on religion His concerns are legitimate. Or would be, if the government actually would force churches to accept gay marriages. They wouldn't. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:830928] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> From: RevolverSaro \| #006I once had a friend who used the seperation of church and state as a means of attacking gay marriage. He said that by legalizing gay marriage, the government is forcing homosexuality on religionHis concerns are legitimate. Or would be, if the government actually would force churches to accept gay marriages. They wouldn't. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 02/23/12 1:43:00 PM #13:	I had a friend who was gay and against gay marriage for that reason. no, he was against gay marriage because he is a self-loathing psychological mess Yeah, but legalizing gay marriage doesn't necessarily mandate forcing churches to accept it. It can just be recognized by the state. there has never been a proposal to force churches to accept it. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:830929] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> I had a friend who was gay and against gay marriage for that reason.no, he was against gay marriage because he is a self-loathing psychological mess Yeah, but legalizing gay marriage doesn't necessarily mandate forcing churches to accept it. It can just be recognized by the state.there has never been a proposal to force churches to accept it. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 02/23/12 1:43:00 PM #14:	Yaoi Fangirls. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:830930] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Yaoi Fangirls. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 02/23/12 1:43:00 PM #15:	From: Mr Lasastryke \| #010 When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position? Uh... yeah. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:830931] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> From: Mr Lasastryke \| #010When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position?Uh... yeah. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Justin_Crossing 02/23/12 1:44:00 PM #16:	is this an argument (some jerk legitimately put this up in my city and it was posted on fb) ugh some people -- ~Acting on Impulse~ Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK <cite>Justin_Crossing posted [p:830932] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> is this an argument (some jerk legitimately put this up in my city and it was posted on fb)ugh some people -- ~Acting on Impulse~Black Turtle still didn't MAJORA'S MASK </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 02/23/12 1:45:00 PM #17:	Uh... yeah. Why should I have to explain something as self-evident as one gender not being superior to the other? <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:830933] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Uh... yeah.Why should I have to explain something as self-evident as one gender not being superior to the other? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 1:45:00 PM #18:	When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position? Of course you do. In some cases like this one everyone might already agree with you, in which case the whole discussion could be rather pointless. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830934] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position?Of course you do. In some cases like this one everyone might already agree with you, in which case the whole discussion could be rather pointless. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 1:47:00 PM #19:	Why should I have to explain something as self-evident as one gender not being superior to the other? You don't have to unless you are trying to convince someone, or show someone that you are right. But if you are, then saying, "this is a fundamental principle with which everyone must agree" doesn't cut it. Don't be a fundamentalist. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830935] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Why should I have to explain something as self-evident as one gender not being superior to the other?You don't have to unless you are trying to convince someone, or show someone that you are right. But if you are, then saying, "this is a fundamental principle with which everyone must agree" doesn't cut it. Don't be a fundamentalist. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
My Immortal 02/23/12 1:48:00 PM #20:	The only argument needed for gay marriage is that we are humans and we deserve the same rights as anyone else gets. -- http://www.backloggery.com/myimmortal <cite>My Immortal posted [p:830936] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> The only argument needed for gay marriage is that we are humans and we deserve the same rights as anyone else gets. -- http://www.backloggery.com/myimmortal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/23/12 1:52:00 PM #21:	I would never marry a man -- http://img.imgcake.com/fitgirljpgta.jpg <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:830937] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> I would never marry a man -- http://img.imgcake.com/fitgirljpgta.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolCly 02/23/12 1:56:00 PM #22:	*Mr Lasastryke posted...* When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position? If you want someone that doesn't think men and women are equal to agree with you, then yeah. -- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:830938] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Mr Lasastryke posted...When I say "men and women are equal," do I have to make an argument that supports this position?If you want someone that doesn't think men and women are equal to agree with you, then yeah. -- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:00:00 PM #23:	Okay, statement: What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is nobody's business. Done. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830939] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Okay, statement:What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is nobody's business.Done. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 02/23/12 2:01:00 PM #24:	*red sox 777 posted...* If you make a statement like saying there isn't a single good argument against something, you might want to actually make an argument supporting your position. Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong. -- l 1 l l 10 l l 7 l l 12 l l 9 l l 19 l <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:830940] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> red sox 777 posted...If you make a statement like saying there isn't a single good argument against something, you might want to actually make an argument supporting your position.Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong. -- l 1 l l 10 l l 7 l l 12 l l 9 l l 19 l </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/23/12 2:02:00 PM #25:	*Master Epyon posted...* Okay, statement: What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is nobody's business. Done. Technically if one of them is cheating on their significant other, it's the other's business too. -- http://img.imgcake.com/fitgirljpgta.jpg <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:830941] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Master Epyon posted...Okay, statement:What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is nobody's business.Done.Technically if one of them is cheating on their significant other, it's the other's business too. -- http://img.imgcake.com/fitgirljpgta.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:03:00 PM #26:	Technically if one of them is cheating on their significant other, it's the other's business too. True, but this is in the context of two consenting, married adults who happen to share the same gender and aren't cheating. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830942] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Technically if one of them is cheating on their significant other, it's the other's business too.True, but this is in the context of two consenting, married adults who happen to share the same gender and aren't cheating. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dilated Chemist 02/23/12 2:04:00 PM #27:	You can't plug a lamp into a lamp. -- GT: TriggerTRE / PSN: SolidTRE Life is short. Smile while you still have teeth! <cite>Dilated Chemist posted [p:830943] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> You can't plug a lamp into a lamp. -- GT: TriggerTRE / PSN: SolidTRELife is short. Smile while you still have teeth! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:07:00 PM #28:	You can't plug a lamp into a lamp. Non sequitur. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830944] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> You can't plug a lamp into a lamp.Non sequitur. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 02/23/12 2:10:00 PM #29:	You know I just noticed something funny. For all the people going "There totally IS a good argument", not a single person has actually given one. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:830945] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> You know I just noticed something funny. For all the people going "There totally IS a good argument", not a single person has actually given one. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/23/12 2:11:00 PM #30:	You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ XFD -- http://img.imgcake.com/fitgirljpgta.jpg <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:830946] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ XFD -- http://img.imgcake.com/fitgirljpgta.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 02/23/12 2:12:00 PM #31:	*Dilated Chemist posted...* You can't plug a lamp into a lamp. Not true. http://tinyurl.com/7gke2lc -- l 1 l l 10 l l 7 l l 12 l l 9 l l 19 l <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:830947] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Dilated Chemist posted...You can't plug a lamp into a lamp.Not true.http://tinyurl.com/7gke2lc -- l 1 l l 10 l l 7 l l 12 l l 9 l l 19 l </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:12:00 PM #32:	You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ Board 8 - Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains? -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830948] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ Board 8 - Saturday Morning Cartoon Villains? -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 2:13:00 PM #33:	Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong. I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction. Making a statement of the form there is no x is typically a strong statement and hard to prove. In this case you would have to show that every single argument against gay marriage is bad. Not an easy thing to do. So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist. You believe there are certain things that are fundamentals, meaning that everyone should agree on them, and if you don't you're immoral/stupid/wrong. You're right that it could probably be refuted, but why? If you make a very strong, counterintuitive, statement, you should probably back it up first. Also, I get the feeling that if someone did make a valid argument for banning gay marriage here, the TC would likely argue that that argument is bad. Well, anybody can always claim that, even when what they really mean is not that the argument is bad but that they disagree. Perhaps they only disagree on the facts, even, and not with the reasoning at all. It's an insulting thing to say, because you are not leaving any room for anyone else to respectfully disagree with you. No, if there is not a single good argument for the other side, then if they disagree with you, they must be immoral/stupid/etc. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830949] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong.I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction.Making a statement of the form there is no x is typically a strong statement and hard to prove. In this case you would have to show that every single argument against gay marriage is bad. Not an easy thing to do. So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist. You believe there are certain things that are fundamentals, meaning that everyone should agree on them, and if you don't you're immoral/stupid/wrong.You're right that it could probably be refuted, but why? If you make a very strong, counterintuitive, statement, you should probably back it up first. Also, I get the feeling that if someone did make a valid argument for banning gay marriage here, the TC would likely argue that that argument is bad. Well, anybody can always claim that, even when what they really mean is not that the argument is bad but that they disagree. Perhaps they only disagree on the facts, even, and not with the reasoning at all.It's an insulting thing to say, because you are not leaving any room for anyone else to respectfully disagree with you. No, if there is not a single good argument for the other side, then if they disagree with you, they must be immoral/stupid/etc. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer 02/23/12 2:14:00 PM #34:	From: red sox 777 \| #033 Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong. I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction. Making a statement of the form there is no x is typically a strong statement and hard to prove. In this case you would have to show that every single argument against gay marriage is bad. Not an easy thing to do. So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist. You believe there are certain things that are fundamentals, meaning that everyone should agree on them, and if you don't you're immoral/stupid/wrong. You're right that it could probably be refuted, but why? If you make a very strong, counterintuitive, statement, you should probably back it up first. Also, I get the feeling that if someone did make a valid argument for banning gay marriage here, the TC would likely argue that that argument is bad. Well, anybody can always claim that, even when what they really mean is not that the argument is bad but that they disagree. Perhaps they only disagree on the facts, even, and not with the reasoning at all. It's an insulting thing to say, because you are not leaving any room for anyone else to respectfully disagree with you. No, if there is not a single good argument for the other side, then if they disagree with you, they must be immoral/stupid/etc. okay that's wonderful and all but in this instance he's very much correct, there isn't a single good argument against it. -- http://i56.tinypic.com/wloen7.gif Mer <cite>Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted [p:830950] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> From: red sox 777 \| #033Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong.I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction.Making a statement of the form there is no x is typically a strong statement and hard to prove. In this case you would have to show that every single argument against gay marriage is bad. Not an easy thing to do. So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist. You believe there are certain things that are fundamentals, meaning that everyone should agree on them, and if you don't you're immoral/stupid/wrong.You're right that it could probably be refuted, but why? If you make a very strong, counterintuitive, statement, you should probably back it up first. Also, I get the feeling that if someone did make a valid argument for banning gay marriage here, the TC would likely argue that that argument is bad. Well, anybody can always claim that, even when what they really mean is not that the argument is bad but that they disagree. Perhaps they only disagree on the facts, even, and not with the reasoning at all.It's an insulting thing to say, because you are not leaving any room for anyone else to respectfully disagree with you. No, if there is not a single good argument for the other side, then if they disagree with you, they must be immoral/stupid/etc.okay that's wonderful and all but in this instance he's very much correct, there isn't a single good argument against it. -- http://i56.tinypic.com/wloen7.gifMer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:17:00 PM #35:	I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction. Sitting on the fence is not admirable when it comes to human rights. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830951] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction.Sitting on the fence is not admirable when it comes to human rights. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 2:19:00 PM #36:	Well, I obviously don't consider this a human rights issue if I'm not pro-gay marriage. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830952] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Well, I obviously don't consider this a human rights issue if I'm not pro-gay marriage. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 2:21:00 PM #37:	And moreover, that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. You are resorting to attacking my personal morality- well that is very fundamentalist, once again. Call other people evil instead of respectfully discussing an issue. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830953] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> And moreover, that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. You are resorting to attacking my personal morality- well that is very fundamentalist, once again. Call other people evil instead of respectfully discussing an issue. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 02/23/12 2:21:00 PM #38:	So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist. Is it fundamentalist to say all humans should have equal rights? I guess it's an opinion, but with matters as important as human rights I don't think it's a bad thing to expect everyone to agree. <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:830954] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist.Is it fundamentalist to say all humans should have equal rights? I guess it's an opinion, but with matters as important as human rights I don't think it's a bad thing to expect everyone to agree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 02/23/12 2:22:00 PM #39:	red sox do you actually have feelings about anything or do you just like to play devils advocate about useless semantics arguments -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:830955] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> red sox do you actually have feelings about anything or do you just like to play devils advocate about useless semantics arguments -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 02/23/12 2:24:00 PM #40:	From: SlymDayspring \| #039 red sox do you actually have feelings about anything or do you just like to play devils advocate about useless semantics arguments Oh the irony. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:830956] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #039red sox do you actually have feelings about anything or do you just like to play devils advocate about useless semantics argumentsOh the irony. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 2:24:00 PM #41:	Is it fundamentalist to say all humans should have equal rights? I guess it's an opinion, but with matters as important as human rights I don't think it's a bad thing to expect everyone to agree. It is fundamentalist if you don't explain why, and you demand everyone to agree. If you allow people to disagree without calling them stupid/evil/heathen/etc, then you are acknowledging that there is an argument for the other side, even if you don't agree with it. In that case you can respectfully disagree, and you are not being a fundamentalist. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830957] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Is it fundamentalist to say all humans should have equal rights? I guess it's an opinion, but with matters as important as human rights I don't think it's a bad thing to expect everyone to agree.It is fundamentalist if you don't explain why, and you demand everyone to agree. If you allow people to disagree without calling them stupid/evil/heathen/etc, then you are acknowledging that there is an argument for the other side, even if you don't agree with it. In that case you can respectfully disagree, and you are not being a fundamentalist. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:25:00 PM #42:	And moreover, that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. You are resorting to attacking my personal morality- well that is very fundamentalist, once again. Call other people evil instead of respectfully discussing an issue. "Hey guys should women be allowed to vote?" "I am neutral on this issue." "That's...kind of wretched, really." -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830958] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> And moreover, that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. You are resorting to attacking my personal morality- well that is very fundamentalist, once again. Call other people evil instead of respectfully discussing an issue."Hey guys should women be allowed to vote?""I am neutral on this issue.""That's...kind of wretched, really." -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 02/23/12 2:26:00 PM #43:	there is nothing ironic about that. I dunno wtf topics you read but I argue my opinion all the time. red sox just argues about how other people are not making good enough arguments. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:830959] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> there is nothing ironic about that. I dunno wtf topics you read but I argue my opinion all the time. red sox just argues about how other people are not making good enough arguments. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 02/23/12 2:26:00 PM #44:	We were actually talking about this in class today. If you're making any kind of argument, you have to address the opposition. Dismissing them offhand generally won't convince those on the fence, much less the opposition. -- Weird. Creepy! <cite>paperwarior posted [p:830960] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> We were actually talking about this in class today. If you're making any kind of argument, you have to address the opposition. Dismissing them offhand generally won't convince those on the fence, much less the opposition. -- Weird. Creepy! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:26:00 PM #45:	It is fundamentalist if you don't explain why, and you demand everyone to agree. Human beings deserve to be treated equally and gays not being allowed to marry is discrimination. Done. -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830961] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> It is fundamentalist if you don't explain why, and you demand everyone to agree.Human beings deserve to be treated equally and gays not being allowed to marry is discrimination.Done. -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 2:27:00 PM #46:	red sox do you actually have feelings about anything or do you just like to play devils advocate about useless semantics arguments I have strong feelings against the use of bad logic. And fundamentalism in all its forms. My political views are basically libertarian, except that I understand that situations exist (even if relatively rare) where government action can be good. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830962] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> red sox do you actually have feelings about anything or do you just like to play devils advocate about useless semantics argumentsI have strong feelings against the use of bad logic. And fundamentalism in all its forms.My political views are basically libertarian, except that I understand that situations exist (even if relatively rare) where government action can be good. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Epyon 02/23/12 2:27:00 PM #47:	See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation -- Geologists will date anything. <cite>Master Epyon posted [p:830963] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> See also:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation -- Geologists will date anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 02/23/12 2:28:00 PM #48:	*red sox 777 posted...* Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong. I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction. Making a statement of the form there is no x is typically a strong statement and hard to prove. In this case you would have to show that every single argument against gay marriage is bad. Not an easy thing to do. So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist. You believe there are certain things that are fundamentals, meaning that everyone should agree on them, and if you don't you're immoral/stupid/wrong. You're right that it could probably be refuted, but why? If you make a very strong, counterintuitive, statement, you should probably back it up first. Also, I get the feeling that if someone did make a valid argument for banning gay marriage here, the TC would likely argue that that argument is bad. Well, anybody can always claim that, even when what they really mean is not that the argument is bad but that they disagree. Perhaps they only disagree on the facts, even, and not with the reasoning at all. It's an insulting thing to say, because you are not leaving any room for anyone else to respectfully disagree with you. No, if there is not a single good argument for the other side, then if they disagree with you, they must be immoral/stupid/etc. The statement he made is pretty much a challenge for anyone to come up with just one single good argument against gay marriage. Shouldn't be so hard but you want to play the you go first no you go first game instead. -- l 1 l l 10 l l 7 l l 12 l l 9 l l 19 l <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:830964] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> red sox 777 posted...Or you could come up with a single good argument against it and prove him wrong.I wasn't the one who made the topic. I don't have strong feelings towards the issue in either direction.Making a statement of the form there is no x is typically a strong statement and hard to prove. In this case you would have to show that every single argument against gay marriage is bad. Not an easy thing to do. So if you just assert it as a fact- well basically you're just being a fundamentalist. You believe there are certain things that are fundamentals, meaning that everyone should agree on them, and if you don't you're immoral/stupid/wrong.You're right that it could probably be refuted, but why? If you make a very strong, counterintuitive, statement, you should probably back it up first. Also, I get the feeling that if someone did make a valid argument for banning gay marriage here, the TC would likely argue that that argument is bad. Well, anybody can always claim that, even when what they really mean is not that the argument is bad but that they disagree. Perhaps they only disagree on the facts, even, and not with the reasoning at all.It's an insulting thing to say, because you are not leaving any room for anyone else to respectfully disagree with you. No, if there is not a single good argument for the other side, then if they disagree with you, they must be immoral/stupid/etc.The statement he made is pretty much a challenge for anyone to come up with just one single good argument against gay marriage. Shouldn't be so hard but you want to play the you go first no you go first game instead. -- l 1 l l 10 l l 7 l l 12 l l 9 l l 19 l </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 2:30:00 PM #49:	Yeah, it's not hard to refute, but it's frankly insulting to make a statement like that. I guess SephG does the same thing, except that SephG is in the minority on this board so it's funny instead of insulting. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830965] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, it's not hard to refute, but it's frankly insulting to make a statement like that. I guess SephG does the same thing, except that SephG is in the minority on this board so it's funny instead of insulting. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/23/12 2:32:00 PM #50:	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation Not at all. The statement was not that gay marriage should be allowed, it was that there are no arguments against it. That a very different claim. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link. <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:830966] in seriously ... [t:62043868]...</cite> <quote> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderationNot at all. The statement was not that gay marriage should be allowed, it was that there are no arguments against it. That a very different claim. -- Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pickyour 7 time champion, Link. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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