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EndOfDiscOne
03/01/12 11:07:00 AM
#1:


Just read this article where Rush Limbaugh called a girl a slut for thinking she should be paid to have sex.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/rush-limbaugh-calls-law-student-a-slut-wanting-contraception-covered-health-insurance-religious-institutions-article-1.1031283?localLinksEnabled=false

I'm sure most would agree he's right, but I'm curious to see the few would say otherwise.

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OctilIery
03/01/12 11:09:00 AM
#2:


Not in the slightest.

Abortions should be covered situationally, but health care should only cover REQUIRED expenses. If you can't afford it, don't have sex. And really, if you can't afford condoms then you have more pressing issues.

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KJH
03/01/12 11:15:00 AM
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It shouldn't.

People are getting a lot less creative if they can't have sex without making a baby. Use your head! (literally)

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Liquid Wiind
03/01/12 11:17:00 AM
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birth control should be paid for by the government, but if you're so stupid that you get knocked up and can't pay for an abortion yourself, you should also be sterilized when they perform your government paid abortion.

making sure that idiots can't become parents is worth the cost
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masterplum
03/01/12 11:17:00 AM
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No

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SlymDayspring
03/01/12 11:22:00 AM
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The more ridiculous thing than birth control (arguably a womans health/livelihood issue, even if preventable in most cases) being covered is that Viagra is covered.

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bryans7
03/01/12 11:24:00 AM
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Yes.

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Uglyface2
03/01/12 11:25:00 AM
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No. There's not one damn reason that I should (indirectly) pay for birth control for the very same women who refuse to have sex with me.
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OctilIery
03/01/12 11:29:00 AM
#9:


This topic ended at the first response. It's not a matter of opinion, the answer is just no.

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Weakupedia
03/01/12 11:30:00 AM
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no

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MajinZidane
03/01/12 11:30:00 AM
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From: Uglyface2 | #008
No. There's not one damn reason that I should (indirectly) pay for birth control for the very same women who refuse to have sex with me.


lol

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Suprak the Stud
03/01/12 11:37:00 AM
#12:


...the birth control pill is different from condoms. People understand this, right?

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KingButz
03/01/12 11:38:00 AM
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condoms are a form of birth control

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OctilIery
03/01/12 11:40:00 AM
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From: Suprak the Stud | #012
...the birth control pill is different from condoms. People understand this, right?


Yup.

Although I'm now recalling that the birth control pill also helps deal with other physical issues, so there's that, but I couldn't say as to whether or not it's serious enough to justify even those cases getting paid for.

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Gwindor
03/01/12 11:41:00 AM
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I think it's stupid that you can decide what is covered and what isn't

if you're handing people money for treatment, then just hand them money for treatment. It's degrading to tell people what kind of medicine they are and are not allowed to have.

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Suprak the Stud
03/01/12 11:44:00 AM
#16:


Although I'm now recalling that the birth control pill also helps deal with other physical issues, so there's that, but I couldn't say as to whether or not it's serious enough to justify even those cases getting paid for.

Thank you.

While I haven't followed this debate closely, from what I understand the problem here is that a decent amount of women use the pill for reasons other that birth control, but a lot of people just immediately jump to the fact that "loose women wants to be having so much sex they can't afford the condoms any more", which is essentially what Rush said and isn't even what they're trying to argue.

Mandating what private companies must and must not do is a tricky issue, but it seems to me that the argument has been oversimplified by terrible straw man arguments on the far right that obfuscate what this is truly about.

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OctilIery
03/01/12 11:45:00 AM
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From: Gwindor | #015
I think it's stupid that you can decide what is covered and what isn't

if you're handing people money for treatment, then just hand them money for treatment. It's degrading to tell people what kind of medicine they are and are not allowed to have.


This isn't treatment though, at least not for the vast majority of cases. There is nothing wrong with the person.

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CeraSeptem
03/01/12 11:45:00 AM
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No.

But we do understand that that's NOT what's actually being discussed right now. Right?

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OctilIery
03/01/12 11:46:00 AM
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From: Suprak the Stud | #016
Although I'm now recalling that the birth control pill also helps deal with other physical issues, so there's that, but I couldn't say as to whether or not it's serious enough to justify even those cases getting paid for.

Thank you.

While I haven't followed this debate closely, from what I understand the problem here is that a decent amount of women use the pill for reasons other that birth control, but a lot of people just immediately jump to the fact that "loose women wants to be having so much sex they can't afford the condoms any more", which is essentially what Rush said and isn't even what they're trying to argue.

Mandating what private companies must and must not do is a tricky issue, but it seems to me that the argument has been oversimplified by terrible straw man arguments on the far right that obfuscate what this is truly about.


My understanding is that it's still fairly uncommon to get the pill for physical treatments, and the majority of the time those issues are not anything that would require treatment.

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Suprak the Stud
03/01/12 11:49:00 AM
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Quick google search reveals:

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/11/15/index.html

58% of women on the pill use it for reasons other than just birth control
14% of women use it ONLY for reasons other than birth control

It does a lot of things. I know you're not going to change your mind because nobody is even convinced of anything over internet arguments, but it is what it is.

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edwardsdv
03/01/12 11:50:00 AM
#21:


Yes they should. We cover viagra and plastic surgery and all sorts of unnecessary procedures, why not cover birth control which has more practical applications too?

Plus it isnt like we're giving it away the way that a college nurse gives away condoms. This is basically just saying "hey if this woman goes to your hospital and is prescribed birth control you have to give it to her, and if youre a catholic institution, FINE her insurance has to pay for it elsewhere." This is why I hate the Republican Party. We really have nothing more pressing to discuss than female sexuality?

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charmander6000
03/01/12 11:52:00 AM
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Yes

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OctilIery
03/01/12 11:53:00 AM
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From: edwardsdv | #021
Yes they should. We cover viagra and plastic surgery and all sorts of unnecessary procedures, why not cover birth control which has more practical applications too?

Plus it isnt like we're giving it away the way that a college nurse gives away condoms. This is basically just saying "hey if this woman goes to your hospital and is prescribed birth control you have to give it to her, and if youre a catholic institution, FINE her insurance has to pay for it elsewhere." This is why I hate the Republican Party. We really have nothing more pressing to discuss than female sexuality?


None of those should be covered either.

From: Suprak the Stud | #020
Quick google search reveals:

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/11/15/index.html

58% of women on the pill use it for reasons other than just birth control
14% of women use it ONLY for reasons other than birth control

It does a lot of things. I know you're not going to change your mind because nobody is even convinced of anything over internet arguments, but it is what it is.


Huh, more than I thought. -shrugs- I stand corrected.

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Suprak the Stud
03/01/12 11:56:00 AM
#24:


I only know because my sister was put on the pill when she was 15 for medical reasons that had nothing to do with her being a skank.

I mean, she could've been, but it had nothing to do with the prescription.

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edwardsdv
03/01/12 11:57:00 AM
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From: OctilIery | #023
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None of those should be covered either.
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yes but no ones saying "ban viagra" not even the catholic church.

You can see how many would construe this as a sexist attack on women being able to have sex.

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Uglyface2
03/01/12 12:23:00 PM
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edwardsdv posted...
This is why I hate the Republican Party. We really have nothing more pressing to discuss than female sexuality?

The Republican Party didn't bring it up. This is pure Obama.

EDIT: yes but no ones saying "ban viagra" not even the catholic church.

Who's saying ban contraceptives? Who? Are you even paying attention to what's going on, or are you making up s*** as you go along?

EDIT 2: We cover viagra and plastic surgery and all sorts of unnecessary procedures, why not cover birth control which has more practical applications too?

Plastic surgery is only covered in serious reconstructive cases, like after a radical mastectomy or to repair somebody's face after an accident. Viagra is for a dysfunction, and while I personally don't see the point I can understand from a medical biller's perspective that yes, there's a diagnosis to attach to this.

Birth control pills... did you watch Sandra Fluke's testimony? The one where she's saying that she's having so much sex she can't afford to pay for the contraceptives? That's what Limbaugh's comments were all about.
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foolm0ron
03/01/12 12:27:00 PM
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From: edwardsdv | #021
This is why I hate the Republican Party. We really have nothing more pressing to discuss than female sexuality?


This is ALL politics. They hype up 99% pointless arguments like these, so that important things like going to war in Iran and inflation and people's rights are publicly ignored.

The real solution is that government shouldn't be giving employers 100% control over what to cover in health insurance, completely independent of free market/public concerns, and then getting MAD when the employers make a decision that not everyone is happy with.

How about you just give the control over to the people? Then they can just choose the plan that fits them the best. It's so simple, but no one even considers it, because the big politicians just frame it as a birth control problem, which is entirely superficial.

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MarvelousGerbil
03/01/12 12:31:00 PM
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Yes. But under the condition that if you STILL get pregnant, you're on your own.

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CoolCly
03/01/12 12:37:00 PM
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So wait, would the pill have to be prescribed for it to be covered, it wouldn't just be paid for pretty everyone? What does it take to be prescribed?

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AlecTrevelyan006
03/01/12 12:40:00 PM
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From: CoolCly | #029
What does it take to be prescribed?


A vagina, for one.

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RevolverSaro
03/01/12 12:45:00 PM
#32:


Abortions and birth control should be covered. Hell, we should offer incentives for getting abortions. They're doing a service to the country

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OctilIery
03/01/12 12:46:00 PM
#33:


From: UltimaterializerX | #030
Assuming you mean mother's life in jeopardy, those surgeries were performed before abortion was ever legal.


Yup, I mean when the mother's life is in danger, or in the case of rape. Basically any situation where finishing the pregnancy isn't feasible.

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SupremeZero
03/01/12 12:56:00 PM
#34:


From: EndOfDiscOne | #001
Just read this article where Rush Limbaugh called a girl a slut for thinking she should be paid to have sex.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/rush-limbaugh-calls-law-student-a-slut-wanting-contraception-covered-health-insurance-religious-institutions-article-1.1031283?localLinksEnabled=false

I'm sure most would agree he's right, but I'm curious to see the few would say otherwise.


Rush Limbaugh needs to get his head on straight.

If you get paid, it's being a whore, not a slut.

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Biolizard28
03/01/12 12:59:00 PM
#35:


From: RevolverSaro | #032
Abortions and birth control should be covered. Hell, we should offer incentives for getting abortions. They're doing a service to the country


What the f*** is wrong with you?

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foolm0ron
03/01/12 1:01:00 PM
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From: Biolizard28 | #035
What the f*** is wrong with you?


Exhibit A

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EndOfDiscOne
03/01/12 1:03:00 PM
#37:


Biolizard28 posted...
From: RevolverSaro | #032
Abortions and birth control should be covered. Hell, we should offer incentives for getting abortions. They're doing a service to the country
What the f*** is wrong with you?

A baby peed on his leg one time

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Liquid Wiind
03/01/12 1:06:00 PM
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it's ok though, he left the baby alone in a field, totally showed it who's boss
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RevolverSaro
03/01/12 1:10:00 PM
#39:


What, its true. We've entered an age where we need to stop thinking of reproduction as a right and view it more as a privilege. The runaway reproduction rate has been going on too long and is starting to take its toll on everyone's quality of life. There is a direct correlation between high population densities and depression.

Women (and men) who control their reproductive activities are lessening this present (and future) burden. Therefore this sort of behavior should be encouraged.

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kevwaffles
03/01/12 1:11:00 PM
#40:


From: Liquid Wiind | #004
birth control should be paid for by the government, but if you're so stupid that you get knocked up and can't pay for an abortion yourself, you should also be sterilized when they perform your government paid abortion.

making sure that idiots can't become parents is worth the cost


You know, I could actually support this if it weren't for the issue of it being massively more unfair to women than men by its very nature.

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GaryOak151
03/01/12 1:15:00 PM
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absolutely yes

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03/01/12 1:21:00 PM
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DeepsPraw
03/01/12 1:50:00 PM
#43:


From: EndOfDiscOne | #001
thinking she should be paid to have sex.


wooww

You are well beyond the bounds of reality if you think insurance covered birth control is the same thing as prostitution.

Insurance covers Lipitor; therefore they're paying people to eat McDonalds.
Insurance covers nicotine patches; therefore they're paying people to smoke.

See anything wrong with that line of thinking?

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foolm0ron
03/01/12 1:54:00 PM
#44:


From: DeepsPraw | #043
Insurance covers Lipitor; therefore they're paying people to eat McDonalds.
Insurance covers nicotine patches; therefore they're paying people to smoke.


Exactly, now you're getting it

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Master Epyon
03/01/12 1:58:00 PM
#46:


From: Liquid Wiind | #004
birth control should be paid for by the government, but if you're so stupid that you get knocked up and can't pay for an abortion yourself, you should also be sterilized when they perform your government paid abortion.

Hurp durp. Joking or not this is a genuinely awful idea.

What, its true. We've entered an age where we need to stop thinking of reproduction as a right and view it more as a privilege. The runaway reproduction rate has been going on too long and is starting to take its toll on everyone's quality of life. There is a direct correlation between high population densities and depression.

Women (and men) who control their reproductive activities are lessening this present (and future) burden. Therefore this sort of behavior should be encouraged.

People just need to have children when they feel ready. Too often couples will just jump into having a kid without the funds necessary to support them (and in this day and age, children take a lot of funds to bring up well). Education helps reduce that problem significantly.

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LOLContests
03/01/12 2:29:00 PM
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Yes, preventive medicine should definitely be covered.

The people saying "Well, these women are choosing to have sex." do know that not all sex is consensual, right?

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RevolverSaro
03/01/12 2:30:00 PM
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People don't realize that birth control pills also are some of the best acne medicine

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kevwaffles
03/01/12 3:24:00 PM
#49:


From: LOLContests | #047
The people saying "Well, these women are choosing to have sex." do know that not all sex is consensual, right?


You do realize no one doesn't know that? And that that's an incredibly misguided approach to the issue at hand in that case, right?

In case you don't, let me put it this way, Let's pretend that's the only reason to fund birth control. What's a better use of money? Birth control for every woman not actively trying to conceive, or crime prevention and emergency abortions?

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GT_DoPey
03/01/12 3:29:00 PM
#50:


abortions, pills, and condoms should all be covered.

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