Board 8 > If you haven't seen how awful Metroid: Other M is, here's your chance *spoilers*

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RappinHobo9292
03/17/12 3:25:00 PM
#101:


From: TheRock1525 | #013
The Ridley Voice goes all the way back to his Metroid Prime 1 Let's Play.

If you're familiar with MP3, go watch the Omega Ridley fight. You'll absolutely lose it.


I completely lost it at the Heavy Rain part.

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 3:26:00 PM
#102:


Guys, guys, guys.

This wasn't a random "Let's hate Metroid Other M" topic again. This was a retsupurae of the Metroid: Other M Theater Mode. Not just making fun of the story, the game, but also the weird-ass theater mode.

I didn't just go "Hey, I haven't hated on Metroid: Other M in a while, BETTER MAKE A TOPIC!" It's a new retsupurae. I almost always link to these if someone else hasn't.

Also, HIYA SAMMY!

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redrocket
03/17/12 3:31:00 PM
#103:


TheRock1525 posted...
Guys, guys, guys.

This wasn't a random "Let's hate Metroid Other M" topic again. This was a retsupurae of the Metroid: Other M Theater Mode. Not just making fun of the story, the game, but also the weird-ass theater mode.

I didn't just go "Hey, I haven't hated on Metroid: Other M in a while, BETTER MAKE A TOPIC!" It's a new retsupurae. I almost always link to these if someone else hasn't.

Also, HIYA SAMMY!


To be fair, the topic title could have been clearer in this regard.

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Rad Link 5
03/17/12 3:31:00 PM
#104:


Like someone said, Rock, this is poking the beehive! You shouldn't have posted a video that made fun of Other M; it's a dead horse. You're worse than Sonic fans, Rock. You're worse than Sonic fans.

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 3:34:00 PM
#105:


It's a f***ing retsupurae. People love these videos on here. The only people that get pissy about it are the Other M defense force that comes out of the woodwork.

Also, I am a Sonic fan, and I'm also a BioWare fan. I've seen my share of awful fanbases.

To be fair, the topic title could have been clearer in this regard.

I'll admit that's on me. Although I assumed most people bother to watch the video first before commenting on it, but I guess that's me giving B8 a bit too much credit.

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htaeD
03/17/12 3:34:00 PM
#106:


considering hoew many people still hadnt seen Other M,s scenes I'd say there is plenty of life in this horse

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 3:44:00 PM
#107:


Also, I hate Other M because I believe it killed the series. Not in a "it ruined the storyline forever" series. I mean that it was so unsuccessful on all fronts (Less than 700,000 units in NA, less than 200,000 units in Japan) that there's a good chance we won't see Metroid again for a while.

I mean, unless E3 proves me wrong this year, it's shelved for a while.

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Robazoid
03/17/12 3:46:00 PM
#108:


My one hope is that maybe my nigh constant *****ing will join with all the other voices and reach Nintendo so that the next Metroid game opens with a card that says 'Other M had to go now, it's planet needed it. Sadly it died on the way back to its planet. Here's a signed document that shows that we'll never, ever mention it in any way ever again".

And then I'll be able to play the new Metroid game which will be a sidescroller like Super, ZM, and Fusion. Then I'll eat my chair because it'll be made of candy because the world will be perfect

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 3:46:00 PM
#109:


Actually, I'll have to correct myself on one thing:

This was the most successful 3D Metroid game... in Japan.

Japan digs this stuff, apparently.

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Rad Link 5
03/17/12 3:48:00 PM
#110:


From: TheRock1525 | #105
It's a f***ing retsupurae. People love these videos on here.


Well these "retsupurae" people seem really disrespectful, and they're just as bad for beating this dead horse, so you shouldn't have even posted the video. Be an adult, Rock.

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 3:48:00 PM
#111:


Honestly, why not do a 3D Super Metroid remake? And I don't mean make it like the Prime series, I mean like HD updates like Prince of Persia for the XBL Arcade or even the New Super Mario Bros. Wii route.

Seems like it would be relatively cheap to product and sell at a decent enough rate.

Metroid has never been a blockbuster seller but this seems like a profitable route to go.

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 3:49:00 PM
#112:


Rad Link 5 posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #105
It's a f***ing retsupurae. People love these videos on here.
Well these "retsupurae" people seem really disrespectful, and they're just as bad for beating this dead horse, so you shouldn't have even posted the video. Be an adult, Rock.


I honestly can't tell at this point if you're messing with me or being serious.

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Haguile
03/17/12 3:53:00 PM
#113:


Rad Link at this point your satire gimmick is beating a dead horse so badly it's coming back to life as an 80's zombie then getting its brain destroyed and dying again.

And you are still beating the poor thing.
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Blairville
03/17/12 3:59:00 PM
#114:


Wait, where's part 9?

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YetAnothrShadow
03/17/12 4:01:00 PM
#115:


Just watch the long video and skip to the part you're at.

That's what I did. Just finished it. The ending somehow ends up being worse than the opening I don't know how they managed that.

Anthony was cool though.

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pjbasis
03/17/12 4:03:00 PM
#116:


From: TheRock1525 | #109
This was the most successful 3D Metroid game... in Japan.


This makes me cry.

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 4:04:00 PM
#117:


The Japanese do like their women submissive and weak!

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Rad Link 5
03/17/12 4:04:00 PM
#118:


From: TheRock1525 | #112
I honestly can't tell at this point if you're messing with me or being serious.


If you would take even a minute to read my prior posts in this topic, you'd see that my opinions are entirely consistent and I think it's disgusting that people like you feel the need to keep harping on the game just because you didn't like it. You should really be respectful of other people's opinions and stop saying you didn't like the game. Especially because this topic has been done to death on this board. I don't know what you hope to accomplish by voicing your opinion on this game when all you're going to do is complain about it, anyway. Jeez.

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 4:11:00 PM
#119:


nice sig

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Biolizard28
03/17/12 4:17:00 PM
#120:


From: TheRock1525 | #111
Honestly, why not do a 3D Super Metroid remake?


Because you would hate it.

Or at the very least, say it's good, but "not as good as the original."

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Robazoid
03/17/12 4:19:00 PM
#121:


Well, I don't think that it's possible to have a game as good as Super Metroid so I guess you've got me there.

I'd still buy any sidescrolling platformer they ever put out and, while saying 'not as good as Super Metroid', probably play it six times in the span of a night

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TheRock1525
03/17/12 4:26:00 PM
#122:


Biolizard28 posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #111
Honestly, why not do a 3D Super Metroid remake?
Because you would hate it.

Or at the very least, say it's good, but "not as good as the original."


Personally, the only Metroid game I hate is Other M.

All he rest range from mediocre to great.

So no, I wouldn't hate it. And it "not being as good as the original" doesn't mean it still can't be a great game.

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Anagram
03/17/12 4:28:00 PM
#123:


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Westbrick
03/17/12 6:10:00 PM
#124:


Well, I'm through part 6 so far and all I can say about it so far is that I don't think people are blowing Other M out of proportion enough. I was going into this expecting it to be terrible, so I figured I'd probably be thinking "hey this game didn't look as stupid as I was expecting." No, it was way, way worse than I thought it would be. I'm kind of surprised people are defending to this game to be honest.

My thoughts to a T. You're objectively wrong for liking the story of this game, period, end discussion. It's offensively bad. And for those who believe that the criticism surrounding the game is being blown out of proportion, let me just reiterate this:

"Also, I hate Other M because I believe it killed the series. Not in a "it ruined the storyline forever" series. I mean that it was so unsuccessful on all fronts (Less than 700,000 units in NA, less than 200,000 units in Japan) that there's a good chance we won't see Metroid again for a while."

Now, I hadn't seen the cutscenes myself before this video (because I had the good sense to keep away from the game), but oh my goodness, it's everything I feared and more.

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Liquid Wiind
03/17/12 6:15:00 PM
#125:


Well, I'm through part 6 so far and all I can say about it so far is that I don't think people are blowing Other M out of proportion enough. I was going into this expecting it to be terrible, so I figured I'd probably be thinking "hey this game didn't look as stupid as I was expecting." No, it was way, way worse than I thought it would be. I'm kind of surprised people are defending to this game to be honest.

I don't really see anyone(here) defending it, at best they'll meekly cry "you're beating a dead horse!" as if their ulterior motive wasn't transparent, but no one wants to be that guy(LMS) that actually comes out and claims this was a good game.
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Dauntless Hunter
03/17/12 9:13:00 PM
#126:


From: Dauntless Hunter | #011
I liked Other M.



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Liquid Wiind
03/18/12 3:50:00 AM
#127:


I find your taste questionable but I respect your candor, it would be easy to be another one of those people that say this is old while they participate in MWC/soro's millionth topic about tien vs krillin, some save my contest, or any number of other things that are far more monotonous yet no one complains about.
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pjbasis
03/18/12 4:32:00 AM
#128:


Metroid doesn't really sell anymore than a million and a half at best anyways.

Just based on some wikipedia stats, Other M sold maybe a little less than Echoes and more than Zero Mission.

If someone's got more reliable figures, that'd be cool.

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Lightning Strikes
03/18/12 6:36:00 AM
#129:


My god people, quality cannot be objective. Nobody is wrong for liking Other M. This is what I hate about the haters. It's not that they hate they game. It's that they hate people liking the game, which is just absurd. Be a bit more reasonable people.

From: htaeD | #408
LOL if anyone thinks its the minority that hates Other M


I don't think there's a clear majority either way. But I posted my evidence, where's yours? Just because one side is louder, doesn't mean it's bigger.

Of course, even the people who like Other M generally consider it one of the weaker games in the series from what I have seen. Myself included.

From: TheRock1525 | #557
The Japanese do like their women submissive and weak!


Oh hey, there's a good idea! Make accusations of sexism then support them with blatant racism! Great job!

From: pjbasis | #608
Metroid doesn't really sell anymore than a million and a half at best anyways.

Just based on some wikipedia stats, Other M sold maybe a little less than Echoes and more than Zero Mission.

If someone's got more reliable figures, that'd be cool.


Prime sold like 3 million copies. Normally 1.5 million is about average for the series, Other M sold only just over half that. Amusingly it had some of the strongest opening sales in the series, and then unusually for a Nintendo game absolutely collapsed on the lifetime sales. You can bet that bad word of mouth caused that.

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GANON1025
03/18/12 6:41:00 AM
#130:


There are wrong for liking it.

DEAD WRONG

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Westbrick
03/18/12 6:54:00 AM
#131:


My god people, quality cannot be objective. Nobody is wrong for liking Other M. This is what I hate about the haters. It's not that they hate they game. It's that they hate people liking the game, which is just absurd. Be a bit more reasonable people.

Don't people move past the "opinions are subjective" point after, like, middle school? We all know that preferences are relative, but that doesn't mean we can't have mature, intelligent discussions about artistic quality within an accepted standard. If this standard involves terrible writing, in-your-face symbolism, atrocious pacing, anticlimax, cheeseball dialogue and delivery, and the undermining of past character development, then I suppose Other M could be seen as "quality."

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DeathChicken
03/18/12 7:03:00 AM
#132:


What character development? Samus didn't really have a character in any Metroid game barring maybe Fusion

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htaeD
03/18/12 7:05:00 AM
#133:


I may not have direct evidence (or rather I cant be bothered to go look for it), but I have heard a LOT more people call it bad than I have heard people call it good

I dont hate people liking the game,
I dislike people saying the game must be found good because someone likes it

of course the game would have had less problems if it was simply not a Metroid game, but then nobody would talk about it much

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Lightning Strikes
03/18/12 7:21:00 AM
#134:


From: htaeD | #653
I may not have direct evidence (or rather I cant be bothered to go look for it), but I have heard a LOT more people call it bad than I have heard people call it good

I dont hate people liking the game,
I dislike people saying the game must be found good because someone likes it

of course the game would have had less problems if it was simply not a Metroid game, but then nobody would talk about it much


How about they think the game is good and you do not. Problem solved.

From: Westbrick | #651
Don't people move past the "opinions are subjective" point after, like, middle school? We all know that preferences are relative, but that doesn't mean we can't have mature, intelligent discussions about artistic quality within an accepted standard. If this standard involves terrible writing, in-your-face symbolism, atrocious pacing, anticlimax, cheeseball dialogue and delivery, and the undermining of past character development, then I suppose Other M could be seen as "quality."


All of those things you listed are subjective quantities.

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htaeD
03/18/12 7:24:00 AM
#135:


yes its its subjective to say that
But I'd like to see someone explain how the subjectively think the writing is good

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Liquid Wiind
03/18/12 7:29:00 AM
#136:


in your face symbolism and undermining past character development aren't subjective, I guess you could claim that to some people these are good things, but that would just be silly
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Liquid Wiind
03/18/12 7:30:00 AM
#137:


htaeD posted...
yes its its subjective to say that
But I'd like to see someone explain how the subjectively think the writing is good


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GuessMyUserName
03/18/12 7:51:00 AM
#138:


yeah I like the game but it's not for the story

I like Other M for its gameplay...... that's kinda the reason I love Metroids. You know, the franchise that has never actually had cutscenes before? I replay Metroid games a billion times over, do you think I even see the story again after the first playthrough? +30 playthroughs of Metroid Fusion, there's only one time I wasn't spamming the A button to get past the walls of Nav Room text.

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Liquid Wiind
03/18/12 8:00:00 AM
#139:


it really is puzzling how sakamoto thought a cinema driven metroid was a good idea, can you imagine fumito ueda suddenly trying to imitate hideo kojima? that's pretty much what happened here.
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GANON1025
03/18/12 8:10:00 AM
#140:


The writing in Other M is bad, and is indicative of the bigger problem games have with sexism and portraying women. Just because Metroid games never had cutscenes before, doesn't mean this game can have bad ones or it's OK that it does.

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DeathChicken
03/18/12 8:15:00 AM
#141:


While this is true, it's pretty ridiculous to try and claim Other M derailed Samus's nonexistent character. Prior to Other M (and Fusion), she was a vaguely defined Heroic Mime. What people really seem to be trying to say is "Other M derailed my internal fanfic version of what I thought this character was"

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Liquid Wiind
03/18/12 8:16:00 AM
#142:


the problems in the writing go waaaaay beyond sexism or even anything it does to samus in particular, seriously, makes george lucas look ****ing brilliant. funnily enough as this LP points out, they do actually borrow quite a bit from star wars to expand metroid's canon here(god that hurts to admit that other m is canon and metroid prime apparently isn't)
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GANON1025
03/18/12 8:19:00 AM
#143:


Just because Samus didn't have a character before Other M, doesn't mean giving her a bad one is excusable. I would say that if it was intentional, if were really supposed to see Samus' interest in Adam to be sick and bad and if we were supposed to see Adam not as heroic but as kind of a bad person, that would be pretty interesting. Maybe. But that's not what's going on, it's just bad writing.

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GuessMyUserName
03/18/12 8:20:00 AM
#144:


From: GANON1025 | Posted: 3/18/2012 11:10:34 AM | #140
Just because Metroid games never had cutscenes before, doesn't mean this game can have bad ones or it's OK that it does.


I'm enjoying my video game, how is that not okay?

I wanted a fun game to play, I got a fun game to play, I enjoyed it. Metroid's are gameplay centric games, it's not like it's an RPG where you're buying it for a story, no, it's a Metroid and I buy it for mah Speed Boosters and Screw Attacks

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GANON1025
03/18/12 8:22:00 AM
#145:


uh, OK?

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Liquid Wiind
03/18/12 8:22:00 AM
#146:


I would have much less objection to that but even presenting it as a sick problem samus has, she never really resolves that problem, even in fusion, it completely presents her relationship with adam as normal and desireable. adam even has heroic theme music for when he idiotically commits suicide! "that perfect military mind" indeed
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Pokalicious
03/18/12 8:23:00 AM
#147:


No GMUN, you are clearly wrong for liking Other M.

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GANON1025
03/18/12 8:24:00 AM
#148:


Is there a problem with liking the gameplay?

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Liquid Wiind
03/18/12 8:25:00 AM
#149:


gameplay in other m isn't...terrible I guess but I can't see it being used as justification for this game retailing at $50 either, maybe if it had hit the bargain bin immediately on release...
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GuessMyUserName
03/18/12 8:30:00 AM
#150:


From: GANON1025 | Posted: 3/18/2012 11:24:22 AM | #148
Is there a problem with liking the gameplay?


Is there a problem with liking a gameplay-centric game for its gameplay? You're the one telling me I have to care about the cutscenes.

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