Board 8 > If you haven't seen how awful Metroid: Other M is, here's your chance *spoilers*

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Personally, I find it hard to separate Other M from its cutscenes. If you can, that's fine, but personally I find no enjoyment from that game. Also I didn't not like the gameplay much. First person aiming for the missiles was a horrible idea. Plus there's really no upgrades/stuff to find in the environments, which is my favorite part of Metroid games.

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From: GuessMyUserName | #150
Is there a problem with liking a gameplay-centric game for its gameplay? You're the one telling me I have to care about the cutscenes.

The thing is though, Other M isn't really a gameplay-centric game. It's quite story-driven, and the existence of a theater mode goes to show that. And honestly, I'm okay with that in principle, and I liked the interplay between story and gameplay. The problems in the story come from elsewhere, not the fact that the story exists or is a key focus.

And honestly, while the game's writing certainly left a lot to be desired, it wasn't that bad. It had its moments, even. Not exactly high praise but I can think of worse written games that people love.

I'm just saying that the hate for the writing is generally overblown, at least relative to other things.

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From: GANON1025 | #143
Just because Samus didn't have a character before Other M, doesn't mean giving her a bad one is excusable.

The claims that Samus's character was ruined and that Samus's character was derailed are fundamentally different, so I'm not sure what you're trying to go for here.

Don't get me wrong, the game has really bad characterization and I can only assume the story was typed out with ham fists. It reads like a short story written by an eight year old Metroid fan who just learned what symbolism is. Samus is barely a mover and shaker in her own game. An entire sub plot was set up to be a big deal and then shrugged off a few hours later. There is very little in this story that's actually worth praising.

But the idea that this is somehow a derailment of Samus's character is pretty silly. Not only is she a silent protagonist for the most part, but her characterization in Metroid Fusion was at least consistent in regards to the whole "I'm so on Adam's nuts" thing. Granted, I'm sure most people weren't thinking that when Samus said she respected Adam, she meant that she went full retard around him.

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Is there a problem with liking a gameplay-centric game for its gameplay? You're the one telling me I have to care about the cutscenes.
Oh Cmon GMUN, the game itself even advertises its story centric. The Plot even forces itself on gameplay several times through the game.










Speaking of which, Other M's gameplay was still very bad, people pass it by because the plot is that much worse. Swtiching was bad, the fps system they had was horrendous, the game was faceroll(outside of guess what, FPS parts) because there is no timing on dodging, there's little to no exploration(which is Metroid's main draw), Bossfights were bland/had stupid problems with FPS mode outside Ridley and Nightmare, the scanner parts were very unclear at times and totally unnecessary, and the over the shoulder moments were the most dragged out things ever in a game thats like 6 hours.

Also it seriously had the most dumbassed story final boss in the history of anything.

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there's little to no exploration(which is Metroid's main draw)

Everyone makes this complaint, which is why it's so difficult to tell people they're wrong for marking it against the game.

In terms of gameplay, Other M has nothing in common with other Metroid games. Exploration is just another part of that. There are a few secrets, but the focus of the game is its combat, not filling in every tile on the map. Take the game for what it is, not what you perceive it to be. People's inability to let go of expectations is one of many reasons that gaming is so stagnant right now.

And also why I'm one of five people that actually defend stuff like Star Fox Adventures.

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The combat is still bad, even posted reasons as to why its bad.

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I never said anything to the contrary.

You shouldn't get so defensive just because I disagreed with you on one point.

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Take the game for what it is, not what you perceive it to be.


What am I supposed to think about this though? I take the game for what it is, a POS. That's why I hate on it <_<

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From: Liquid Wiind | #142
(god that hurts to admit that other m is canon and metroid prime apparently isn't)

the f***?

please tell me this isn't actually true

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #158
What am I supposed to think about this though? I take the game for what it is, a POS. That's why I hate on it <_<

Is it really that difficult to understand given the rest of my post?

If the next Pokemon game became an FPS, but it was the greatest FPS of all time, would you still mark the game down because it's not Pokemon?

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Sakamoto wants to deny the prime's as cannon or something.




Yeah, Yokoi (god rest his soul) was clearly the brains of the bunch when making Metroid back when, even if Yoshi is named after him.

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This topic is why you guys don't have girlfriends

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Are there actual people who don't see Other M's gameplay as anything other than a gimmick?

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I liked it. I thought it was unique and interesting.

there were some issues, sure, but overall I thought it was an interesting take on a 2d/3d hybrid. the story stuff is a legit complaint but way overblown. it's not even close to the worst thing about the game.

I'm probably not gonna bother defending it though, you guys are vicious and never stop

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a pokemon FPS sounds awesome, and if it played well the more the merrier. Pokemon has always been about "animals beating the snot out eachother" so it would apply in there somewhere. Pokemon is a franchise on to itself anyways, and derivatives connect on their own anyways.

But complaining about lack of exploration is still legit, because that's what metroid is basically about, exploration and killing things. One's missing and the other one wasn't done right.





Wait why are we even arguing about this and why am I still awake.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #161
Sakamoto wants to deny the prime's as cannon or something.




Yeah, Yokoi (god rest his soul) was clearly the brains of the bunch when making Metroid back when, even if Yoshi is named after him.

probably too embarassed that a Western developer made one of the top three games in his series so he wants to act like it never happened

and yes Yokoi da best, he never gets enough recognition for his work

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Wow these videos are terrible. Talk about nit-picking.

(Also other m was great and the story was mediocre)

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From: Epyo the Great | #167
Wow these videos are terrible. Talk about nit-picking.

The point of retsupurae is to be funny, not a scholarly criticism of the game

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Okay, so I just went and checked the exact quote where Sakaoto allegedly said that the Primes were non-canon.

Here it is:
"The games that I've been involved with in the Metroid series have been on the NES, GameBoy, Super NES and the GBA. I actually didn't have a lot of input on the Prime series. But when they're doing with Other M here, it's not so much a different universe, it's just a different part of the story. You can't say that there's no relation here; it's probably best to think of them as being in parallel in this world."

He's not saying that they're not canon, just divorced from the main story.

Which we've known since Prime 1 came out.

Yep.

Looks to me like people are pretty much making stuff up completely to try and villify a poor chap who's probably a perfectly decent guy just because he made one game they don't like, despite the many good ones.

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you wouldnt call Sakamoto a poor chap if you read the stuff he's done to 'perfect' this game

the Lucas comparison is quite apt for that reason

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also the use of the word 'parallel' makes it sound like Other M and Prime cant exist in the same timeline
but maybe thats just me

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Okay, examples then.

Preferably factual ones, as frankly we can all agree that a lot of lies get thrown around regarding this game (see above). And don't get me started on the treatment George Lucas gets! The man makes a few iffy edits (and a few good ones) and suddenly he is the devil.

Edit: It says right in the quote that it's the same universe, just a different part of that universe.

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and I will say the story had some neat ideas, but they just didnt execute the concepts very well
and sometimes that even gets in the way of the gameplay
(literally taking section zero and a rematch with Ridley away from us)

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I would not call it a deliberate lie, LS
Its just that the original statement has changed its meaning after going through several people.
I dont know started the original misrepresentation, but it is an old one

anyway I have a few direct examples

http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/09/23/team-ninja-distances-itself-from-metroid-other-ms-story/

http://kotaku.com/5491158/metroid-other-m-might-have-been-on+rails-if-not-for-team-ninja

but I got most from the LP thread on SA which had a whole section devoted to interviews with Sakamoto
though I cant link to those, I think

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And don't get me started on the treatment George Lucas gets! The man makes a few iffy edits (and a few good ones) and suddenly he is the devil.

If you were talking about the original Special Edition, you could get away with calling the edits "iffy". But this.....



This is not "iffy", not in any universe. This is an absolute travesty from a man who has completely lost his mind. And that's still not the worst he is doing.

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And honestly, while the game's writing certainly left a lot to be desired, it wasn't that bad. It had its moments, even. Not exactly high praise but I can think of worse written games that people love.

I'm curious what these games are. there are games with some awful stories out there, but I can't think of a single one that is on other m's level that is respected or even loved

I never finished Other M, but its final boss is just pointing at someone and then watching NPCs who had never shown up before fight her for you?

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samus' arch rival that killed her parents also gets killed by someone else, samus basically does nothing in other m, she's just there to provide an inner monologue that reads like a 13 year olds live journal

You know redrocket, "travesty" is a pretty strong word. Personally I would use it to describe say, the holocaust, and not because they added in a slightly goofy one second sound clip to RotJ, but whatever.

Check out those top two comments.

From: Liquid Wiind | #856
And honestly, while the game's writing certainly left a lot to be desired, it wasn't that bad. It had its moments, even. Not exactly high praise but I can think of worse written games that people love.

I'm curious what these games are. there are games with some awful stories out there, but I can't think of a single one that is on other m's level that is respected or even loved

Off the top of my head: the entire MGS series. I mean I love the gameplay, but man is the writing awful. And yet these games are heralded as an exemplar of story, purely because they have one.

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MGS2 and 4 get pretty wacky, but not as bad as other m, and MGS and MGS3 certainly are no where near that realm

MGS also kind of gets a pass because it breaks the fourth wall constantly and doesn't take itself very seriously

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I never finished Other M, but its final boss is just pointing at someone and then watching NPCs who had never shown up before fight her for you?

to be fair you could see the Queen Metroid fight as the final boss
and there is the secret boss too
but yeah the MB reveal>battle>death sequence has shockingly little gameplay involved

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just saw this, brilliant



it kind of sucks that other m will probably cause nintendo to shelf this series again, the possibilities for post fusion games could have been amazing

yeah I always thought it was bull how she called Adam her only father figure as if Old Bird didn't even exist



so much for that, right?

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Yeah that's probably my biggest gripe with the story, actually

God I wish Old Bird and Grey Voice got some damn acknowledge. Even the part of the manga that they DID reference, they didn't even explain at all (the K-2L seen where Ridley meets Samus).

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ITT the same people that hated Fusion because it had story and it always told you where to go - hate Metroid Other M as well

You know what? your opinion sucks
Metroid Fusion was awesome and I believe Other M will be awesome as well

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ITT the same people that hated Fusion because it had story and it always told you where to go - hate Metroid Other M as well

You know what? your opinion sucks
Metroid Fusion was awesome and I believe Other M will be awesome as well

ITP, someone who hasn't read a single post in this topic and doesn't have a damn clue what he is talking about.

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I almost wish I wasn't a long time metroid fan, I find that scene ****ed up and I am fully aware of the situation, I can only imagine how weird that scene must be for someone that was just like "metroid other m, $5? I hear good things about this series, lets give this a try...", the game really doesn't tell you ANYTHING

but then I'd miss out on the weirdness of ridley being a furby, so I guess it's kind of a wash

Other M's story is actually bad compared to Fusion.

Fusion still sucks though, and was probably less fun to play overall.

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I like fusion! not my favorite game in the series by any stretch but it's very solid and did some things brilliantly(SA-X was a great touch, metroid has always been creepy but that was about as close to survival horror it ever got)

I don't know, it was just so boring.

It had the solid formula but I think that made it more boring cause it didn't have the good design to go with it.

For better or worse, Other M's weird ass gameplay scheme made it kinda fresh, for at least the length of one playthrough anyway.

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Fusion is second only to Super in my mind. Yeah I hated the 'go here Samus lol' aspect of it, but there were obstacles. Often he just told me to go someplace and there would be a problem along the way, I'd have to sidetrack and improvise. Not on the level of Super maybe, but it was enough. And just about everything else to do with the games atmosphere and setting was great. Nightmare before Other M ruined him was amazing, the security robot was amazing, the station being dark and spooky, going into the underbelly of the station and fighting that spider thing...

I can't praise Fusion enough, really. The only problems I had with it, Other M took and magnified by a zillion.

And no one gets to tell me that Samus didn't have character until Fusion. It's almost mind-boggling how much story was in Super Metroid and it's a pet peeve of mine when people say 'lol no story'. You're morons if you honestly think that. How much was told without saying anything at all? Ridley stealing the Metroid, the Tourian statue, the wrecked ship and the story of its downfall, Maridia and Draygon, the final sequence with Mother Brain and the baby Metroid until Other M ruined it... there was so much story. But you guys saying this tend to like Other M so I'm not shocked at all that you missed it.

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super metroid really is a great piece of minimalist story telling, it did a lot of the things ICO is given credit for way before that

speaking of minimalism, I do have to say some of other m's soundtrack is pretty damn good, just to not be ENTIRELY negative about it. still prefer kenji yamamoto and minako hamano's scores, but other m is a good change of pace there, it's more like the metroid II soundtrack...

yeah I dont find the soundtrack for Other M as bad as most either

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I didn't care much for Other M's story but games don't usually have decent stories so whatever. Outside of visual novels and the Legacy of Kain series, I can't think of any games with a story I've enjoyed in over a decade. So Other M having a dumb story is just another video game story as far as I'm concerned. And yeah it isn't a proper Metroid game at all, but I wasn't expecting it to be since it was made by Team ****ing Ninja for god's sake.

But on its own merits, the gameplay worked for me. I always enjoy Wii games that can be played with the remote only, not having to use some dumb controller add-on is worth a lot to me. I didn't have a problem with the switching because you mostly only had to do it during boss fights, and it always seemed to me that there was a minor slowdown effect when you transitioned that made it workable. The dodging was easy but it never really bothered me, that's just how the game works and I was fine with it. The exploring wasn't very good by Metroid standards (most hidden powerups were always accessed by a hidden passage that was self-contained in the room which was a little weak), but there were a few good bits of it and again, I wasn't expecting a real Metroid game. The only gameplay element that really bothered me were the first-person pixel hunts. I usually had to check a FAQ for those because after a bit of looking around everywhere and not finding anything I gave up.

Overall I would say it's about a 6.5/10, maybe a 7/10 game. Not amazing but okay. If I had to put my finger on why I wasn't as upset about it as everyone else even though I recognize most of the same flaws everyone else complains about, I would say it's because I don't think many other games are any better. So maybe a bad game doesn't seem as bad to me because I kinda think every game is sorta bad, and this one was not particularly more offensive than average.

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I wouldn't agree with all games but I can agree a lot of games don't have great stories, I guess what made it maddening is that metroid is usually more minimal, they don't beat you over the head with a bad story in super metroid or metroid prime, then other m drops 2 hours of badly written and badly acted cutscenes on you

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I do have to say some of other m's soundtrack is pretty damn good, just to not be ENTIRELY negative about it.

Good thing you didn't say that in the comments section of any of those videos. Otherwise, nobody would see it.

Please note: The following is the reaction in the various comments sections of the Other M RP series to one particular person who tried to answer questions about certain plot points/holes. Keep in mind that this defender of the game NEVER insulted its detractors, and even agreed that some things they brought up were indeed valid points. The detractors eventually got tired of discussing the game with him and opted to show, rather than tell, that the following was what they thought of the defender. As Dave Barry once said, I am not making this up.

How dare you say anything even remotely positive about Other M! Doing so means that absolutely nothing you say, even if it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Other M, is worth reading or hearing! We don't want that sort of filth tarnishing this comments section! Everyone, flag EVERY SINGLE COMMENT this person has ever made! Even the ones where he openly states the game has flaws!

And so they did. They even went so far as to flag a comment that said nothing more than "The next part of this series is up now," solely because the game's defender said it.

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An amazing read regarding Other M:

http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html

Other than Hunters this is to date the only other Metroid game I've hated. Whereas Hunters was merely dumb and inoffensive, Other M tries its best to make the player hate almost every character. Anthony and MB are like the only characters worth caring about in it at all, and that's being really generous.

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