Board 8 > I'm starting to think the N64 may be the best console.

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its not the best, but its top barely in my top 5 or so

1) PS2
2) SNES
3) PS1

after that Genesis, DS, GBA, PSP, and N64 duke it out for the remaining spots in the top 5.

edit: crap, forgot about the saturn. So underrated. People who hate on it probably never played it once.

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rpgs on the ps1, for the most part, held up. kinda hard for that genre to really age badly though outside of a few things (speed being the most notable). like if you dont' like some of them in the first place not much can be done, but liking them now on their own merits is perfectly doable for most, including - and especially - the weirder ones like Parasite Eve, Legend of Mana, and Vagrant Story.

some other genres haven't aged that well though, sure. but the system's big one hasn't had a problem with it, unlike n64's shooters. hits all 3 systems there (fighters at the time vs. fighters now? even the best KoF from the time got lifted better).

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not playing the saturn once is pretty understandable, though it's a shame yeah. got a broken one with me hoping that one day i can fix the bugger. don't think anything burnt on it.

of course a solid computer will fix the 'never played' problem real quick. >>;

and for a top 5 if we're getting to that point?
PS2
DS

...3-6 is right now a jumbled mess between SNES, 360, Wii, and PSP. can't tell you which way that'll go yet, especially with the PSP's 3 upcoming games (and hopefully 4 if xseed gets Trails' 2nd chapter out). gotta kill through my 360 and Wii backlogs too. ...after them comes the PS1. will eventually get a ps3 too, though 360 is my preferred of the duo. can understand it technically belonging in a similar grouping though since they've got like 80% the same games.

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PS2
DS

the rest arent even close.

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The N64 is easily the console that most suffered from a lack of third-party support. You ask anyone to name their favourite 64 games, I can just about guarantee that 80%+ will be first-party or second-party. What this means is that while the quality of the library is stellar, the depth falls away pretty darn quickly.

Personally, I blame Hiroshi Yamauchi.

I'd sooner call it the worst console that received any sort of widespread appeal (between it and Wii pretty much). Just not a lot of good games on there, and overrated as a party console too.

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the Wii's a weird one. the N64 didn't have the library in it, but the Wii absolutely does. it just gets overshadowed by the other games, hard. that system's honestly gonna go from "i love it!" to "i hate it!' to "i'm okay with it" to, in a few years, "man the Wii was actually pretty great."

seriously, thing has far better support than pretty much every other nintendo console there. it's not a hard line to cross, but it says a lot when, despite that, it doesn't get properly acknowledged for that.

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N64 not even a good console

dunno where you got best from

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in defense of the Genesis being top 3:

Castlevania Bloodlines
Contra Hard Corps
Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
Earthworm Jim
Gunstar Heroes
Lightening Force
Mega Turrican
MUSHA
Phantasy Star IV
Rocket Knight Adventures
Shining Force 1 and 2
Shinobi III
Sonic 1-3+K
Streets of Rage 2 and 3
TMNT The Hyperstone Heist
Vectorman

all top notch games! the Genesis gets underrated because of how good the SNES was but those two consoles were the best 1-2 combo of any generation

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I'd sooner call it the worst console that received any sort of widespread appeal (between it and Wii pretty much). Just not a lot of good games on there, and overrated as a party console too.

Pretty much this. Even as a party console goes, it's crushed by the GameCube, though yeah, still good for that obviously.

I suspect this is largely a generational thing. Most people I knew my age didn't think too highly of the N64, beyond Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. The idea of the N64 being the better console of its generation frankly weirds me out, and flies in the face of all common sense to me (see also: the PSX's better sales despite it being an unproven brand against the successor of the NES and SNES). But I'm quite a bit older than the GameFAQs average, and I know plenty of people who are now regulars here grew up on the N64. Certainly I've seen the console's stock rise dramatically over the last decade on B8.

Pretty sure the PS1 outclasses the N64 in any single-player genre except maybe platformers.

No, it outclasses on platformers too. I know B8 comes down pretty hard on 3D platformer > 2D platformer side of things, but for anyone who thinks differently it's a no-contest win for the PS1. Since the 3D platformer offerings for each system are comparable, but 2D has Castlevania and Mega Man vs. not very much. N64 didn't even have the decency to give us a new Metroid which could have let it have a chance in that department.

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No, it outclasses on platformers too. I know B8 comes down pretty hard on 3D platformer > 2D platformer side of things, but for anyone who thinks differently it's a no-contest win for the PS1. Since the 3D platformer offerings for each system are comparable, but 2D has Castlevania and Mega Man vs. not very much. N64 didn't even have the decency to give us a new Metroid which could have let it have a chance in that department.

You seem like you know the PSone library pretty well, so what platformer (the obvious ones like SotN aside) would you recommend? Or shmups, for that matter? All this talk about Playstation has me wanting to dust it back off again.

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lmao, hell no. N64 wins the award for most overrated console. PS1 destroyed it.

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I die a little inside every time I see someone who is serious when the say that the N64 was a better system than Playstation 1. The N64 had a lot to offer for a small audience.

Mega Drive (I refuse to call it Sega Genesis) was my first system so it will always be my favourite but the "official" top 5 is:

Nes
SNES
Playstation
Playstation 2
DS

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Westbrick posted...
No, it outclasses on platformers too. I know B8 comes down pretty hard on 3D platformer > 2D platformer side of things, but for anyone who thinks differently it's a no-contest win for the PS1. Since the 3D platformer offerings for each system are comparable, but 2D has Castlevania and Mega Man vs. not very much. N64 didn't even have the decency to give us a new Metroid which could have let it have a chance in that department.

You seem like you know the PSone library pretty well, so what platformer (the obvious ones like SotN aside) would you recommend? Or shmups, for that matter? All this talk about Playstation has me wanting to dust it back off again.

Get Ape Escape (Why doesn't this game ever come up when people talk what the ps1 have to offer) and Tomba, a sweet 2D platform/adventure.

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The thing with N64 (and why people think it's such a great console/better than PSX) is that it has great multiplayer games that have a lot of replayability and are really accessible. It's a console you bring to small get togethers, and bring out when your friends who don't really play games that much come over (or when their girlfriends do).

PSX was better at the time, but the N64 multiplayer games have aged really well. When I list stuff on PSX that I still play with any regularity, it's a handful of RPGs. When I do the same for the N64, it's a few single player games like OoT and OB64, and a bunch of multiplayer games. Really the only comparable thing the PSX had was Crash Team Racing. And while that game is really good, it's also only one game.

I may never play a lot of the good PSX single player games again, but odds are good that the next time my friends come over we'll have some rounds of Mario Kart 64, Mario Golf, Mario Party 2, or Goldeneye.

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Not counting 3ds or Arcades...

SNES>N64=PS>PS2=Wii=PC>NES>DC>GC=Genesis>PS3>DSi>the rest

Counting everything (including 3ds and Arcades), the PS3 is the most relevant system right now though, mostly because of UMvC 3 (and MvC 3) and SFxT. Once this fighter madness dies down though it'll probably shift over to the 3ds, or at the very least, a bunch of titles will be worth going back for on that system.

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From: SnoicFactor | #064
lmao, hell no. N64 wins the award for most overrated console. PS1 destroyed it.

PS1 destroyed the N64? lol No.

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PSX was better at the time, but the N64 multiplayer games have aged really well. When I list stuff on PSX that I still play with any regularity, it's a handful of RPGs. When I do the same for the N64, it's a few single player games like OoT and OB64, and a bunch of multiplayer games. Really the only comparable thing the PSX had was Crash Team Racing. And while that game is really good, it's also only one game.

All very true. There's also the fact that the PSOne library is designed around two controller ports as opposed to four, which really limits multiplayer potential.

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I'll add two top tier N64 games to the list that haven't been mentioned yet also...

Star Wars Shadows of the Empire

Wave Race 64

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So will I: Beetle Adventure Racing and Blast Corps.

Here are some Genesis-snubs, too: Comix Zone and Dynamite Headdy.

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see guys, the Genesis is even better than I said

really good console

it's also got a decent version of SF2 and Bomberman for dat multiplayer

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Counting everything (including 3ds and Arcades), the PS3 is the most relevant system right now though, mostly because of UMvC 3 (and MvC 3) and SFxT. Once this fighter madness dies down though it'll probably shift over to the 3ds, or at the very least, a bunch of titles will be worth going back for on that system.

if were including the PC then having it anywhere near the wii is an absolute joke

The PC is better than the PS2, SNES, and PS1. The three best systems.

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I've had more fun with the PS2 but yeah, the N64 is amazing. Has the best game of all time (Star Fox 64) and tons of great multiplayer games. Certainly top 3.

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Yeah, I'm not playing any N64 multiplayer games in 2012. Most of them are rather unplayable to me for numerous reasons, and there are better modern games to choose from. I can always enjoy old PS1 RPGs, or MGS or Crash. Some of the PS1 library hasn't aged well, but most are still a good time.

PS2 = PS3 > PS1 > SNES > NES. That's probably my top 5.

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From: OmarsComin | #073
see guys, the Genesis is even better than I said

really good console

it's also got a decent version of SF2 and Bomberman for dat multiplayer

I've been getting into Genesis more and more lately. I had it back in the day, but I got it pretty late in its life (Xmas 1993), so I never had many games beyond the Sonic series. But in the last year I've been going back and picking up some classics on eBay, particularly the ones that haven't made it to any modern collections or Virtual Console.

Kinda makes me wish I had been able to invest more deeply in the Genesis library when I was younger, but that's the problem with being a kid I guess, you have tons of time to play these games but you can't afford many.

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I'm surprised no one's mentioned the NES. Most of the gamer friends like to argue that it's the best (and I even have one who argues that the 5200, including backwards compatibility, wins out). What's B8's thoughts on this?

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yeah the Genesis is sweet and I approve of picking up old carts. best way to do it. I wish the actual Genesis hardware wasn't so all over the place about whether you'd get one with good video and audio output.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the NES. Most of the gamer friends like to argue that it's the best (and I even have one who argues that the 5200, including backwards compatibility, wins out). What's B8's thoughts on this?

it's okay. a lot of the good games on the console have issues with playability though. if you're listing classics from each console, NES ones are more likely than not going to be labeled "aged poorly."

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NES bottom tier

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NES classics are more playable that most on the N64!

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NES classics are more playable that most on the N64!

Implying that SM64 is less playable than SMB lulz

Seriously though, I love the NES. So many great games, particularly platformers.

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I would much rather play SMB over SM64, definitely.

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Westbrick posted...
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the NES. Most of the gamer friends like to argue that it's the best (and I even have one who argues that the 5200, including backwards compatibility, wins out). What's B8's thoughts on this?

There were a few new titles, but the PS and N64 mostly represented the SNES splitting apart into multiple systems going into the next generation, that's pretty much why I have it as the best, cause though it's a generation before, it's pretty much the best of both worlds, and that combination is enough to beat any of the next gen systems even with older graphics (not that there aren't plenty of 2d games that are still good).

The NES really only has a few smash hits (such as Zelda 1, SMB 3 and Ninja Gaiden), and some of the stuff that would normally probably be considered top tier (like Megaman and Metroid), along with some stuff that probably wouldn't (like Contra), got surpassed during the SNES era, not to mention the fact that it pretty much lacked whole genres (like RPGs, fighters, and actiion RPGs). You also have stuff like SMB, though good, is still pretty overrated. Then there's also the controller, the SNES controller introduced shoulder buttons, along with the fact that many new controllers still use the four button setup on the right hand side. In my experience, the people who rate the NES the best usually aren't really gamers, and some it could even be argued that they quit gaming after the NES.

The Atari also has some really good games, but it's library is even more lacking then the NES. I almost never hear anyone rate the Atari as the best.

Around here I haven't seen too many people put the NES or Atari as number one also

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Metal_DK posted...
SNES>N64=PS>PS2=Wii=PC>NES>DC>GC=Genesis>PS3>DSi>the rest

Counting everything (including 3ds and Arcades), the PS3 is the most relevant system right now though, mostly because of UMvC 3 (and MvC 3) and SFxT. Once this fighter madness dies down though it'll probably shift over to the 3ds, or at the very least, a bunch of titles will be worth going back for on that system.

if were including the PC then having it anywhere near the wii is an absolute joke

The PC is better than the PS2, SNES, and PS1. The three best systems..

The only game I really rate a 10/10 with the PC is Gunz the Duel. Yes it's close to being the best game ever made, but it's not enough to defet a whole system. The only other two games I would debate as being 10s on the PC are Warcraft 3 and Star Craft 2. Counter Strike, Diablo 2,and Portal are all like 7/10s. Your super high graphics games like Crysis are like 6/10s (though admittedly I could use more info on Crysis). MMO RPGS are extremely overrated, the best probably being DAoC pre ToA, and I'd only give that probably a 5.5/10. If you also count arcade type flash games you get a couple more 7/10s. You also have stuff like Planet Side that may be around 7/10, but there's not too many of those types either. Some Pioneers like Doom I'd probably put around 6/10, but not much better. I've been curious about whats been going on with Sim City, that may bump the ranking up some, but I still wouldn't say too much (along with it also possible being released for consoles). What else am I missing, maybe stuff like Battlefield and some Star Wars games, which I'd put around 6/10. Minecrafts another possible interesting game, but still probably not much above a 6/10. Then there's some scattered unique things like Serious Sam that I'd put around a 7/10. Bottom line, the PC is mostly filled with below 5/10 garbage games, with a half decent amount of things at or slightly below a 7/10, and extremely few actually above that with almost no 10s.

The Wii Pioneered motion controlled gaming (along with 1:1 motion controlled gaming), and what is motion controlled gaming really, air mouse gaming, which is actually very relevant to the PC (not that everything has to be relevant to the PC to be good). That's along with it's fairly large list of 8-10/10s. Mario Galaxy (definite 10/10), Mario Galaxy 2, TP (definite 10/10), SS (probably a 10/10, I'll say it's almost definitely atleast an 8/10, but I suppose I'll with hold the definte (or almost definite) 10/10 until I beat it), FFIV The After Years, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Golden Eye 007 Wii, Mario Kart Wii, Brawl, and Wii Sports Resort (any game not listed as a definite 10/10 has the potential to be a 10/10 I'm just not as sure). Then you have a few that are at least 6-7/10s, Wii Fit Plus, Tetris Party, Wii Sports, NSMB Wii. If you count the Channels, such as the voting channel where you predict what people like, and the fact that the Nintendo Channel had the Nintendo Week Show, it goes even higher, but I suppose I won't count that for this argument. I will however count the Internet Channel though at least up to the point where they kept the Flash fairly up to date, and count Arcade type Flash games for it that ran there, there were even a few that they tried to make for the Wiis Motion Controls, like the DBZ Evolution game, which I'd put between a 5.1-6/10. The Wii also has its fair share of crap, but as I mentioned above, so does the PC. Since in a few years the Wii will die and be replaced by the Wii you, the PC will more then likely ultimately pass it, but at this point, it and the PS2 (I don't fell like making a complete argument for the PS2 though), are equal to the PC, along with the systems I have above them still being above (I don't feel like making a full argument for them either).

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True bottom line, you have a bunch of Wii games in the upper end ranking of 8-10/10, compared to very few with PC games, but the PC does have a decent amount of stuff at or below a 7/10, where the Wii doesn't have as much, they both have around an equal amount of trash (if anything though the PC would have more), so they just about balance each other out. It should also be noted that much of the Wii's high rankings come from motion controlled gaming, and what is motion controlled gaming really, air mouse gaming, which is actually relevant to the PC (not that everything has to be relevant to the PC to be good). The PC in the future will also probably pass the Wii since the Wii will eventually die, but as of right now they're about equal.

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PC > all by such a huge amount that I can't take anyone seriously that says otherwise.

PS2 > DS > everything else for pure gaming consoles.

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PC > every console only if you include emulation

if not, it depends on genre. if you're not huge into strategy games I could easily see someone argue PS2 or SNES over PC.

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From: OmarsComin | #088
PC > every console only if you include emulation

if not, it depends on genre. if you're not huge into strategy games I could easily see someone argue PS2 or SNES over PC.

PC has way more than just strategy games. PC has more variety and a larger library than any console. Just compare the gamerankings list for each console. PC has like 8 pages before you get below 80%. Then you have tons and tons of indie games that don't get reviewed professionally, 90% of games released before 2000 didn't get enough reviews to be on that list either. There isn't a genre that PC lacks in.

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From: ZFS | #083
I would much rather play SMB over SM64, definitely.

SM64 holds up pretty well, but I wouldn't want to touch it on an N64 controller.

From: OmarsComin | #088
if not, it depends on genre. if you're not huge into strategy games I could easily see someone argue PS2 or SNES over PC.

The PC is more than just a Civ-box!


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OmarsComin posted...
PC > every console only if you include emulation

if not, it depends on genre. if you're not huge into strategy games I could easily see someone argue PS2 or SNES over PC.

I didn't think I'd have to mention it (I suppose I will anyway though), but I wasn't counting emulation, if you count emulation it's a pretty safe bet that PC destroys everything.

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From: GuessMyUserName | #091
PC is a timeless platform, ranking it with dedicated gaming devices is just dumb.

This. I'd take the PS2 over the PC's 2000-2007 releases, but if it's just "PC vs. PS2" the PC has -years- of more titles to pull from.

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N64 is the best PARTY console of all time (Goldeneye 007, Mariokart 64, Star Fox 64, Mario Party 1-3, Super Smash Bros.), but not the best console by a longshot. Possibly top 10 though.

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i thought you were lihlih for a second


that name i dunno!

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it's the way the name looks at a glance. once i read the post it all made sense!

That happens sometimes with people who have similar looking names.

even my iPad knows not to turn 'icon' into 'lihlih'

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N64 was nowhere near the PS1 in quality, much less in quantity. It only had a handful of good games in a handful of genres. There's a reason why it failed, guys - it sucked.

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it failed because the games cost a lot of money and it had an awful controller and we all really liked FF7

also it didn't actually fail, it just got beat by a juggernaut of sales we hadn't seen the likes of up to that point

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