Board 8 > Pre ordered Xenoblade today

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Sorozone
03/23/12 7:27:00 PM
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You guises hype better not disappoint me. *cough* Nier *cough*

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TheRock1525
03/23/12 7:28:00 PM
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Nier was great.

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GuessMyUserName
03/23/12 7:29:00 PM
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greatest game in almost 2 decades

greatest nintendo game ever made

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Sorozone
03/23/12 7:32:00 PM
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From: TheRock1525 | #002
Nier was great.


Don't get me wrong, the story is the sole reason I stayed to finish it. I rarely stay for a games story if the gameplay is beyond mediocre like Nier's, but overall the game is very average imo.

From: GuessMyUserName | #003
greatest game in almost 2 decades

greatest nintendo game ever made


Some crazy hype right here, I don't think I'll set my expectations that high though(it's MM currently for me).

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SupremeZero
03/23/12 7:35:00 PM
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From: Sorozone | #004
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Don't get me wrong, the story is the sole reason I stayed to finish it. I rarely stay for a games story if the gameplay is beyond mediocre like Nier's, but overall the game is very average imo.

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Some crazy hype right here, I don't think I'll set my expectations that high though(it's MM currently for me).


Set it. Go right ahead and set it.

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swordz9
03/23/12 7:37:00 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
greatest game in almost 2 decades

greatest nintendo game ever made


I find the first one close to impossible to believe. It probably wouldn't even end up as the best RPG of the last 2-4 years for me let alone greatest game in almost 20 years.

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SupremeZero
03/23/12 7:38:00 PM
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From: swordz9 | #006
I find the first one close to impossible to believe. It probably wouldn't even end up as the best RPG of the last 2-4 years for me let alone greatest game in almost 20 years.


What do you have in mind? So I can laugh at you more specifically, of course.

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foolm0ron
03/23/12 7:38:00 PM
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From: Sorozone | #004
Some crazy hype right here, I don't think I'll set my expectations that high though(it's MM currently for me).


it's GMUN

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GuessMyUserName
03/23/12 7:40:00 PM
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From: SupremeZero | Posted: 3/23/2012 10:38:22 PM | #007
What do you have in mind? So I can laugh at you more specifically, of course.


literally talking to a FFXIII fan

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swordz9
03/23/12 7:41:00 PM
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SupremeZero posted...
What do you have in mind? So I can laugh at you more specifically, of course.

My top RPGs right now are Persona 4, Persona 3, Tales of Vesperia and Final Fantasy X. From all the stuff I've seen of Xenoblade it doesn't look half as good as any of those. I know FFX is over 10 years old now, but P3-4 and Vesperia are all under 5 years old.

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swordz9
03/23/12 7:42:00 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
literally talking to a FFXIII fan

Better than talking to a FFXII fan!

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SupremeZero
03/23/12 7:42:00 PM
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From: swordz9 | #010
My top RPGs right now are Persona 4, Persona 3, Tales of Vesperia and Final Fantasy X. From all the stuff I've seen of Xenoblade it doesn't look half as good as any of those. I know FFX is over 10 years old now, but P3-4 and Vesperia are all under 5 years old.


Hmm. MAYBE P4. But P3 and Vesperia don't top Xenoblade. FFX is meh in comparison.

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SupremeZero
03/23/12 7:42:00 PM
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From: swordz9 | #012
Better than talking to a FFXII fan!


Wouldn't that require such things to exist?

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TheRock1525
03/23/12 7:42:00 PM
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SupremeZero posted...
From: swordz9 | #012
Better than talking to a FFXII fan!
Wouldn't that require such things to exist?


I'm not real!

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/23/12 7:56:00 PM
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Nier is awesome for what it is, but it has low production values and sloppy gameplay. It's very love-or-hate. I love it personally.

Xenoblade is on a whole different level though. There literally is no bad or even mediocre part to it. It's one of the best games ever made without question.
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RayDyn
03/23/12 8:01:00 PM
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From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | Posted: 3/23/2012 10:56:34 PM | #015
It's one of the best games ever made without question.


I'm not sure I would go that far, but it is a God damn good f***ing game.

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foolm0ron
03/23/12 8:03:00 PM
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From: GuessMyUserName | #009
literally talking to a FFXIII fan


Better than a ToS fan

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Dilated Chemist
03/23/12 8:10:00 PM
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It's really that good?

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SHINE GET 64
03/23/12 8:26:00 PM
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won't go as far as GMUN, but it is probably the 2nd best RPG I've played since the SNES days

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ZFS
03/23/12 9:09:00 PM
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The hype seems rather sketchy, likely increased because it's a Nintendo RPG, but it should be good enough to buy.

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/24/12 7:34:00 AM
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Yeah I wouldn't call it the best RPG ever, it doesn't have the story and character depth of the best couple of Squaresoft games, but I'd say it's still a top 10 ever game, ranking up there with the likes of Chrono Trigger, Metal Gear Solid and Ocarina of Time.
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EndOfDiscOne
03/24/12 7:36:00 AM
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I haven't seen anyone on the Xenoblade board who was disappointed with the game. "literally" the only board I've seen on this site that didn't have its share of whiners when the game came out.

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transience
03/24/12 8:01:00 AM
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Xenoblade is pretty rad. not sure about top 10 games ever, but top 20-25 yessir.

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Lightning Strikes
03/24/12 8:06:00 AM
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Best RPG of the generation, certainly.

It's not your usual JRPG, however, which is why swordz might think it doesn't appeal. A lot of JRPGs a much more narrative driven, while this one is more about creating an engrossing world, like say, Skyrim.

It's just as much about the gameplay as it is about the story. Actually, much moreso about the gameplay. If you want your JRPGs to be glorified visual novels or anime with mandatory button presses, then it might not be for you.

But the reason it's so much better than any modern RPG (besides just being really, really, well made) is that while it's about both gameplay and story, it doesn't skimp on either. It has the strong core experience that's lacking from most WRPGs, and the expansive world and complex customisation lacking from most JRPGs.

It's pretty much the perfect RPG as a result. It has some niggles, but for sheer game design, it's pretty immaculate.

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WhiteLens
03/24/12 8:15:00 AM
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Man, I remember back when it was first shown that many people were bashing it for looking like a PS2 game.

Now it goes from that to "One of the Greatest RPGs Ever Made"

And it's like it started to gain praise once it got its name changed to Xenoblade, hmmm......

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transcience
03/24/12 8:26:00 AM
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Xenoblade didn't demo well out of the gate, yeah. it looks really good while playing it but if you focus on the faces it looks kind of awful. fortunately there's very little of that in the actual game.

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GuessMyUserName
03/24/12 8:30:00 AM
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man I was just trying to google for an image of Shulk's face (there's so many moments where it looks so weird)

and note to people who have not played Xenoblade: Do not Google "Shulk face". Near end-game spoilers there.

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Lightning Strikes
03/24/12 8:33:00 AM
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From: WhiteLens | #105
And it's like it started to gain praise once it got its name changed to Xenoblade, hmmm......


It's funny, because it's absolutely nothing like Xenogears or Xenosaga in terms of design or story, beyond some recurring themes. And frankly, it's better for it.

It started getting praise when people actually played it.

This extends to the graphics, too. The graphics don't come across very well in screenshots, but when you see them in game, it becomes clear that despite the low-res textures, this is one of the best looking Wii games. In fact, it has good graphic regardless of platform.

Dat draw distance.

The best part, though, is that unlike games like FFXIII where you're shown pretty vistas then can't actually go there, in Xenoblade, almost everything you can see, you can explore. And there's a lot to see!

Yeah basically this game turned out to be the polar opposite of expectations.

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EndOfDiscOne
03/24/12 8:50:00 AM
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This extends to the graphics, too. The graphics don't come across very well in screenshots, but when you see them in game, it becomes clear that despite the low-res textures, this is one of the best looking Wii games. In fact, it has good graphic regardless of platform.

Dat draw distance.

The best part, though, is that unlike games like FFXIII where you're shown pretty vistas then can't actually go there, in Xenoblade, almost everything you can see, you can explore. And there's a lot to see!

Yeah basically this game turned out to be the polar opposite of expectations.


Yeah, it's probably a good thing this game isn't HD because it might be too expensive to make.

Maybe

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Tomba42
03/24/12 8:53:00 AM
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Question; one thing I remembered about Dragon Quest 8 was that you could frequently go way off into the wilderness like that.. but it tended to be empty and lifeless. Is there a REASON to go traipsing off into nowhere?

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foolm0ron
03/24/12 8:59:00 AM
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From: Lightning Strikes | #024
Best RPG of the generation, certainly.

It's not your usual JRPG, however, which is why swordz might think it doesn't appeal. A lot of JRPGs a much more narrative driven, while this one is more about creating an engrossing world, like say, Skyrim.

It's just as much about the gameplay as it is about the story. Actually, much moreso about the gameplay. If you want your JRPGs to be glorified visual novels or anime with mandatory button presses, then it might not be for you.

But the reason it's so much better than any modern RPG (besides just being really, really, well made) is that while it's about both gameplay and story, it doesn't skimp on either. It has the strong core experience that's lacking from most WRPGs, and the expansive world and complex customisation lacking from most JRPGs.

It's pretty much the perfect RPG as a result. It has some niggles, but for sheer game design, it's pretty immaculate.


Sounds like Dark Souls

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EndOfDiscOne
03/24/12 9:03:00 AM
#32:


Tomba42 posted...
Question; one thing I remembered about Dragon Quest 8 was that you could frequently go way off into the wilderness like that.. but it tended to be empty and lifeless. Is there a REASON to go traipsing off into nowhere?

Xenoblade doesn't have big open wilderness areas. It just has large areas but there's always stuff there.

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Liquid Wind
03/24/12 9:05:00 AM
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best wii game, which isn't saying much in of itself, but xenoblade is excellent.
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CalvinbalI
03/24/12 9:09:00 AM
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From: Tomba42 | #030
Question; one thing I remembered about Dragon Quest 8 was that you could frequently go way off into the wilderness like that.. but it tended to be empty and lifeless. Is there a REASON to go traipsing off into nowhere?


Definitely. Remote locations always have some reward tucked away in them, whether it be a strong monster, a key item for a sidequest, a character to talk to or what have you.

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Ex2
03/24/12 9:17:00 AM
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So since this game is only available from Gamestop(and soon from Nintendo shop), I'm guessing it'll be fairly limited in how many copies are released. And I'm not too sure this will be a million-seller. So I'd better get it day one, eh? I don't want to end up paying 70-80 after a few months.

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Liquid Wind
03/24/12 9:19:00 AM
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yeah, at the very least you know you have nothing to gain by waiting, it is a nintendo game and other m(LOL) is like the only game they've made this generation that got a price drop
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Liquid Wind
03/24/12 9:20:00 AM
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and that was just retailers wanting to get rid of it, I saw other m for $50 the other day in wal mart

nintendo literally thinks other m is worth $50
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swordz9
03/24/12 9:21:00 AM
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It definitely isn't going to be a million-seller if you mean selling a million copies. I don't think it even got to half a million combined in Japan and Europe.

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GuessMyUserName
03/24/12 9:26:00 AM
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A million copies won't even exist.

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swordz9
03/24/12 9:36:00 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
A million copies won't even exist.

This too. You have to remember it's not a huge title even as far as JRPGs go and Nintendo's not hopeful for it in NA. By the time most people have bought it and/or the copies are out its NA sales will probably be around half of what Tales of and Persona get at best.

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transience
03/24/12 10:16:00 AM
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DQ8 is the closest parallel to Xenoblade, yeah. only Xenoblade is better in every single aspect. better world, more expansive world, better story, better battle system, faster battle system, everything.

Xenoblade is a pretty huge title for JRPGs actually. it's about on par with Tales for popularity and will probably end up being more liked than Tales ever was.

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Sorozone
03/24/12 10:25:00 AM
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Well, all this discussion looks good, and it seems like my type of game if the gameplay is solid. I'm also leaning towards buying 2 copies.

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/24/12 10:27:00 AM
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It definitely isn't going to be a million-seller if you mean selling a million copies. I don't think it even got to half a million combined in Japan and Europe.

Xenoblade currently has around 158 000 preorders in the US. It's not impossible for it to sell a million at this point. It's still selling well in Europe too.
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swordz9
03/24/12 10:30:00 AM
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transience posted...
Xenoblade is a pretty huge title for JRPGs actually. it's about on par with Tales for popularity

Where are you getting this from? It has hype and good reviews, but it's not on the same level of popularity as Tales of at all especially worldwide.

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Liquid Wind
03/24/12 10:31:00 AM
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if they're only producing enough to cover pre-orders then it won't even come close

pretty sad that the best game nintendo has had since metroid prime isn't going to break 500k here
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swordz9
03/24/12 10:33:00 AM
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Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...
Xenoblade currently has around 158 000 preorders in the US. It's not impossible for it to sell a million at this point. It's still selling well in Europe too.

Based on the Japanese and European sales estimates Ive seen it'd have to sell over 600,000 copies in North America to even reach 1 million combined between the three.

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foolm0ron
03/24/12 10:57:00 AM
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If they're not even gonna release any more copies than are preordered... then yeah it won't sell 1 mil

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SubDeity
03/24/12 11:39:00 AM
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Wait, it's available only through pre-order? I may have to grab this just because it may end up increasing in price.

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Lightning Strikes
03/24/12 4:30:00 PM
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From: swordz9 | #160
This too. You have to remember it's not a huge title even as far as JRPGs go and Nintendo's not hopeful for it in NA. By the time most people have bought it and/or the copies are out its NA sales will probably be around half of what Tales of and Persona get at best.


Ha, what. The only Tales of game to sell 1 million was Symphonia, the rest don't come close. This will probably outsell them worldwide. Same for Persona, too, though 4 sold pretty well...

I'm expecting about 7-800,000 for Xenoblade worldwide. Pretty respectable, and better than the examples you mentioned.

And yes, I can see this selling really well in America. Pre-orders have apparently been really good, and there's no way Nintendo wouldn't print more if demand existed. That's exactly what happened in Europe. It was originally supposed to have a limited run, then came out and somehow topped the charts...

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swordz9
03/24/12 5:10:00 PM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Ha, what. The only Tales of game to sell 1 million was Symphonia, the rest don't come close. This will probably outsell them worldwide. Same for Persona, too, though 4 sold pretty well...

I'm expecting about 7-800,000 for Xenoblade worldwide. Pretty respectable, and better than the examples you mentioned.

And yes, I can see this selling really well in America. Pre-orders have apparently been really good, and there's no way Nintendo wouldn't print more if demand existed. That's exactly what happened in Europe. It was originally supposed to have a limited run, then came out and somehow topped the charts...


They don't all have to be Symphonia. Xenoblade's Japanese sales were by no means exceptional and its lifetime sales aren't even half of the latest console Tales of game's 1st week sales in Japan. Even Europe's combined with Japan's lifetime Xenoblade sales don't beat Tales of Xillia's week 1 sales from what I see. It looks like it's around 130-160k for Japan and Europe each. It just seems much more reasonable to expect Xenoblade to perform around the same in NA rather than doubling or tripling EU and JPN imo also when you factor in that it really doesn't have the selling power or popularity of other established niche JRPGs like Tales of and Persona worldwide.

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