From: Jakyl25 | #350
Jericho and Punk may as well give up now
Is War still The Schuab?
If so, I'm glad.
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 2:08:00 PM #351: |
From: Jakyl25 | #350 Is War still The Schuab? If so, I'm glad. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8528/secretariat.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WarThaNemesis2 03/31/12 2:11:00 PM #352: |
FUN FACT:
Despite what JaKyL said, the non-gate revenue from the event is going to be terrible because of ROH looking like such a low-rent company. Further proof vanilla midgets can't draw. -- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png TRUE B8UCA Lightweight Champion. WORSHIP ME! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WarThaNemesis2 03/31/12 2:12:00 PM #353: |
FUN FACT #2:
ROH fans are worse with chants than TNA. -- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png TRUE B8UCA Lightweight Champion. WORSHIP ME! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 2:19:00 PM #354: |
I was reading a Cena interview and I came across this fun little nugget:
"I think to be a bad guy in this business, youve gotta be a genuinely bad guy." Yes, only jerks can be heels in the WWE now. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WarThaNemesis2 03/31/12 2:21:00 PM #355: |
Isn't it pretty much the opposite? Good guys play heels, bad guys play faces?
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DeathChicken 03/31/12 2:21:00 PM #356: |
Although it does remind me of that old Vince quote about Jake Roberts, about how he never could tell if he was talking to Jake the person or Jake the character, or if there was any difference
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 2:22:00 PM #357: |
A Schuab we can all look up to.
From: TheRock1525 | #354 John Cena says a lot of things in character at moments you'd expect him to be out of character. I'm pretty sure he's friends with a lot of the heels. HASHTAG -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/jgonzo/large/4958fc9d9dfd6917713402cae21a3e0e.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 2:23:00 PM #358: |
If he's in character, why is he using terms like heel in the same interview?
-- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/31/12 2:24:00 PM #359: |
From: TheRock1525 | Posted: 3/31/2012 5:19:44 PM | #354 "Acting? WHAT IS THAT SORCERY YOU SPEAK OF?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 03/31/12 2:26:00 PM #360: |
Dolph Ziggler is a "heel" in kayfabe. Somehow it's entered the lexicon.
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 2:27:00 PM #361: |
From: TheRock1525 | #358 Because that's the cool new thing now. It's the same reason he talks about his character and the inevitability of him winning matches in his latest promos. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/34or19k.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 2:29:00 PM #362: |
And this is why I hate the current product.
The moment Rock said "babyface" I think part of my soul died. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 03/31/12 2:29:00 PM #363: |
From: Rad Link 5 | #351 I'm just saying. I've never seen a Jericho match that good, and I've never seen a Punk match that good. Granted I've missed out on a lot of notable Punk matches by not getting into indy wrestling until 2009. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 2:29:00 PM #364: |
And have we 3MR'd Cena's heel run?
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JaKyL25 03/31/12 2:34:00 PM #365: |
From: WarThaNemesis2 | #353 I will not dispute this. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 2:38:00 PM #366: |
It's kind of admirable what Cena's trying to do there, actually. This whole reality era thing is basically an attempt to "make wrestling real" again, so he seems to be trying to get on board with that by making people believe that today's heels are genuinely bad people backstage.
He just doesn't seem to understand that coming right out and claiming it is not going to make people believe it. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1417/nighthawks1575201136223.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 03/31/12 2:39:00 PM #367: |
SPEAKING of War being the Schuab, JAKYL REDEMPTION is going to be for tomorrow before mania if I can get THE MANIAC to agree to beingthere for our STUMPTHEMANIAC.
War can help me with the questions/categories it'll be fun. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png The one and only Underdog Millionaire and UCA CORPORATE Champion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/31/12 2:40:00 PM #368: |
I hate this "make wrestling feel real" thing. I want to watch a goddamn tv show not Jersey Shore. I like my wrestling with fireballs, zombies and larger than life characters not this dumb reality thing they got right now.
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 2:43:00 PM #369: |
I do happen to like fireballs and zombies in my wrestling.
But we have the only living, breathing, romping-stomping Funkasaurus in captivity making appearances, and he debuted long after the start of the Reality Era, so clearly the "make wrestling real" initiative isn't putting an end to that. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z430/RadLink5/valdez.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/31/12 2:53:00 PM #370: |
Well yeah the reality era isn't putting an end to that. I'm saying I hate when feuds like The Rock and Cena's try to bring reality into their arguments I just sort of stop caring about the feud.
Like it was cool the first time with Punk but now it's kind of...eh. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 2:56:00 PM #371: |
Cena trying to convince us that wrestling is real is kinda pointless because the only crowd that believes it's real is already in his corner (the children) and, you know, idiots.
And put me firmly in the same corner as Haguile. The only good thing the reality era has brought us is Punk's shoot promo. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HashtagHeel 03/31/12 2:58:00 PM #372: |
Uhhh pretty sure this is part of the reality era.
And this is awesome. -- My future's so damn bright I gotta wear shades. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 2:58:00 PM #373: |
And let's be honest: the funkasaurus is not actually pretending to be a dinosaur.
That's a bit different than, you know, an undead mortician and his hideously disfigured brother running around shooting fireballs, levitating, and what have you. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HashtagHeel 03/31/12 2:59:00 PM #374: |
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 3:00:00 PM #375: |
Funny, part of me thinks Dolph would be more of a shot in the pre-reality era.
I mean, considering how many times they pushed Billy Gunn, and Dolph Ziggler has the same look and way more talent, I bet they'd look at Ziggler and go "He's got it." -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/31/12 3:07:00 PM #376: |
Yeah, as hilarious and over the top as the Funkasaurus is, he isn't pretending to be a dinosaur. Though to be fair, we did get Kane trying to drag Ryder into hell just a few months ago. And that was amazingly cheesy in the best way possible. It was exactly the kind of thing I watch wrestling for. My only complaint about that feud is that we didn't have Ryder burning Cena's shirt to gain his powers in some sort of ironic twist to face Kane at Wrestlemania.
Also, on the topic of Ryder and Ziggler... From the end of this week's ZTLIS: ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 3:07:00 PM #377: |
From: TheRock1525 | #371 That's just it, though. This isn't "making wrestling real" the way you're used to. Think about how you thought Cena was actually claiming you have to be an actual bad guy to be a bad guy. How some people thought The Rock was legitimately angry after Cena claimed he reads off a script. That stuff isn't convincing children or "idiots," it's for making today's educated-fans believe. To make them believe there's actual animosity between these people. Everyone knows they're playing a character, but when you hear one wrestler say something about another that sounds like it could be their subtle attempt to take a shot at "Paul Lavesque" instead of "Triple H," dirtsheet-hungry fans will lap that stuff up. That's how they want to make it real. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5205/bananase.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/31/12 3:10:00 PM #378: |
From: Rad Link 5 | Posted: 3/31/2012 6:07:47 PM | #377 Yeah but the thing is, I personally don't give a damn about "Paul Lavesque." I don't know this Paul person. I know Triple H, the character I watch on TV. Two actors being passive aggressive to each other isn't going to make the scene any more entertaining, it's just going to screw up the product for me. I get that I'm probably in the minority in this, but I really don't care about this new kayfabe they are trying to make. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 03/31/12 3:12:00 PM #379: |
For what it's worth, Cena and Rock have tricked an AWFUL LOT of supposedly "smart" wrestling fans into believing that they have real issues with each other.
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MrGreenonion 03/31/12 3:13:00 PM #380: |
From: Haguile | #376 Pictures like this and the Cena/Rock one make me want to enter a Kombat Kode. -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 3:14:00 PM #381: |
That's just it, though. This isn't "making wrestling real" the way you're used to. Think about how you thought Cena was actually claiming you have to be an actual bad guy to be a bad guy. How some people thought The Rock was legitimately angry after Cena claimed he reads off a script. That stuff isn't convincing children or "idiots," it's for making today's educated-fans believe. To make them believe there's actual animosity between these people. Everyone knows they're playing a character, but when you hear one wrestler say something about another that sounds like it could be their subtle attempt to take a shot at "Paul Lavesque" instead of "Triple H," dirtsheet-hungry fans will lap that stuff up. That's how they want to make it real.
Except that stuff doesn't work at all with me. I don't believe that The Rock actually hates Cena. I don't think they're best buds, obviously, but I never bought for a second that "oh, this is legit animosity." When Austin and Rock went at it, I knew that those guys were friends backstage, but they weren't pretentious enough to make it sound like "Oh, we hate each other" via backstage politics and stuff. Though to be fair, we did get Kane trying to drag Ryder into hell just a few months ago. And that was amazingly cheesy in the best way possible. It was exactly the kind of thing I watch wrestling for. Same here, which is why the reality era can kiss my ass. I'd rather watch something like that then "OMG you kiss so much ass backstage thats the only reason why youre a top guy" -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 03/31/12 3:14:00 PM #382: |
https://twitter.com/#!/ColtCabana/status/186211462203719680/photo/1
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SmartMuffin 03/31/12 3:15:00 PM #383: |
Though to be fair, we did get Kane trying to drag Ryder into hell just a few months ago. And that was amazingly cheesy in the best way possible. It was exactly the kind of thing I watch wrestling for.
Enjoy it while you can. The "over the top" era is over and the reality era is here to stay. It's just that CERTAIN characters (namely Taker and Kane) are "grandfathered in" so to speak, and allowed to continue to do their trademarked ridiculous shenanigans. Name me some young, up and coming guys, who have anything even remotely resembling supernatural powers. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/31/12 3:15:00 PM #384: |
From: Jakyl25 | Posted: 3/31/2012 6:14:34 PM | #382 Colt of personality! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 3:16:00 PM #385: |
Name me some young, up and coming guys, who have anything even remotely resembling supernatural powers.
Isn't Ryback from the future? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 03/31/12 3:16:00 PM #386: |
From: SmartMuffin | Posted: 3/31/2012 6:15:48 PM | #383 Man it's hard to name up and coming guys who have personalities, let alone supernatural powers. But yes I know the reality era is here to stay. And I hate that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 03/31/12 3:17:00 PM #387: |
maybe you should watch more of whatever indy fed that is with the guy who can activate bullet time or whatever
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 3:18:00 PM #388: |
More CHIKARA love!
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Haguile 03/31/12 3:18:00 PM #389: |
If that's Chikara then I began watching that recently. Once I'm done with my backlog of Chikara dvds I'll try to catch up with the current season.
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JaKyL25 03/31/12 3:19:00 PM #390: |
From: SmartMuffin | #383 Del Rio at least has an honest-to-goodness old school gimmick. Although I guess Del Rio isn't "young." -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 03/31/12 3:20:00 PM #391: |
Del Rio at least has an honest-to-goodness old school gimmick.
Which it took about two weeks for Punk to completely hang a lampshade over while totally buying the guy. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 3:21:00 PM #392: |
From: SmartMuffin | #383 This "new guys should be boring, normal people" thing didn't start with the reality era. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/rcshvr.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 03/31/12 3:22:00 PM #393: |
From: Rad Link 5 | #392 Okay. But my overall point is that over-the-top things in WWE today are limited to people who have been around long enough to have "over the top things" already clearly established as part of their character. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 3:23:00 PM #394: |
Yeah, but the reality era is doing nothing to curb it, either.
Hell, Cena is an example of both the failure of the Reality Era with his debut (generic "I'm just here to prove myself" guy) and the strengths of the Attitude Era (White Rapper). -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/31/12 3:26:00 PM #395: |
Actually, you want the best example of a guy who's succeed by playing against the Reality Era?
Cody Rhodes. Dude has had three different gimmicks over the past couple of years, and all of them have been pretty Old School. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 03/31/12 3:30:00 PM #396: |
Also,
Zack isn't happy -- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luja3sgnby1r5y9duo1_400.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 03/31/12 3:32:00 PM #397: |
Don't what me.
OKAY WHAT ME. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 03/31/12 3:33:00 PM #398: |
Oh dear god. A proposal at WWE Access leads to a YES! chant. XD -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 03/31/12 3:35:00 PM #399: |
That's actually why I was drawn to Cody when I started watching again
Even with people like Ziggler who have all the mannerisms down...it essentially boils down to "oh hey look I'm arrogant". Cody has a proper gimmick. This is also probably why R-Truth became so popular once he turned (and even as a face, - the "little jimmy" character works either way). -- http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5261/5567070428_ee1dcd3590.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 03/31/12 3:42:00 PM #400: |
YES!
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