Board 8 > Speech - Where America is still the freeest [dwmf] [offensive tweets]

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foolm0ron 03/27/12 8:21:00 PM #51:	From: XIII_rocks \| #030 There comes a time where "omg the first amendment" gets kind of outdated by the times. Are you **ing serious? Are British people really like this? -- _foolmo_** 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958857] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #030There comes a time where "omg the first amendment" gets kind of outdated by the times.Are you ****ing serious?Are British people really like this? -- _foolmo_'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 03/27/12 8:21:00 PM #52:	*foolm0ron posted...* Are you ***ing serious? Are British people really like this? Kung Fu Fighting -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy.* - foolmo Now this is entertainment! <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:958858] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> foolm0ron posted...Are you ****ing serious?Are British people really like this?KungFuFighting -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmoNow this is entertainment! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:22:00 PM #53:	Are British people really like this? I know, right? Like, I WANT to give them more credit than this, but they refuse to let me! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958859] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Are British people really like this?I know, right?Like, I WANT to give them more credit than this, but they refuse to let me! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 8:22:00 PM #54:	And uhh.. you pledge allegiance to a flag. Yes, because pledging allegiance to a set of ideals and principles is comparable to an arbitrary commitment to an arbitrary bloodline. And SMuffin, how would you respond to the anti-Islamic laws that are sweeping through Europe in certain places (particularly London)? Even free speech must have limits, no? -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:958860] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> And uhh.. you pledge allegiance to a flag.Yes, because pledging allegiance to a set of ideals and principles is comparable to an arbitrary commitment to an arbitrary bloodline. And SMuffin, how would you respond to the anti-Islamic laws that are sweeping through Europe in certain places (particularly London)? Even free speech must have limits, no? -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:23:00 PM #55:	And SMuffin, how would you respond to the anti-Islamic laws that are sweeping through Europe in certain places (particularly London)? Even free speech must have limits, no? I think I'm pretty okay with free speech having no limits whatsoever, actually! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958861] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> And SMuffin, how would you respond to the anti-Islamic laws that are sweeping through Europe in certain places (particularly London)? Even free speech must have limits, no?I think I'm pretty okay with free speech having no limits whatsoever, actually! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 8:24:00 PM #56:	And the worst part is that America actually IS becoming like Britain and Europe. We are systematically ignoring the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. 9th/10th amendment are literally used as toilet paper in washington. 4th and 1st amendment are being attacked recently with NDAA laws and that secret service law. -- _foolmo_ 'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958862] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> And the worst part is that America actually IS becoming like Britain and Europe.We are systematically ignoring the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. 9th/10th amendment are literally used as toilet paper in washington. 4th and 1st amendment are being attacked recently with NDAA laws and that secret service law. -- _foolmo_'he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance' - ertyu quoting Tidus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 03/27/12 8:25:00 PM #57:	This is my theory on Europe: For a century and a half after true liberty and freedom was beginning to be achieved (ie, the USA was formed and several other democracies followed suit), Europe remained totally backwards and autocratic. Eventually, this kind of society bred fascism, communism, nazism, and two world wars. After Europe saw what they had caused, they then overcompensated by putting restrictions on everything that they deemed contentious. So instead of a free, open society like America, they created one where any intolerance is not tolerated (except against Muslims and Africans of course). In their "defence," they meant well. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:958863] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> This is my theory on Europe:For a century and a half after true liberty and freedom was beginning to be achieved (ie, the USA was formed and several other democracies followed suit), Europe remained totally backwards and autocratic. Eventually, this kind of society bred fascism, communism, nazism, and two world wars.After Europe saw what they had caused, they then overcompensated by putting restrictions on everything that they deemed contentious. So instead of a free, open society like America, they created one where any intolerance is not tolerated (except against Muslims and Africans of course).In their "defence," they meant well. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nintendogirl1 03/27/12 8:26:00 PM #58:	From: SmartMuffin \| #053 Are British people really like this? I know, right? Like, I WANT to give them more credit than this, but they refuse to let me! I know you're country is pretty new to the whole "being a country" thing, but the first amendment has been around 220 years. Slavery had a sell by date. Learn to move forwards. -- Time to give it up. <cite>nintendogirl1 posted [p:958864] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #053Are British people really like this?I know, right?Like, I WANT to give them more credit than this, but they refuse to let me!I know you're country is pretty new to the whole "being a country" thing, but the first amendment has been around 220 years. Slavery had a sell by date. Learn to move forwards. -- Time to give it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:27:00 PM #59:	I know you're country is pretty new to the whole "being a country" thing, but the first amendment has been around 220 years. Slavery had a sell by date. Learn to move forwards. Throwing people in prison for saying something you don't like has been around a LOT longer than the concept of freedom of speech has. Perhaps it is you that needs to evolve. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958865] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> I know you're country is pretty new to the whole "being a country" thing, but the first amendment has been around 220 years. Slavery had a sell by date. Learn to move forwards.Throwing people in prison for saying something you don't like has been around a LOT longer than the concept of freedom of speech has. Perhaps it is you that needs to evolve. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:28:00 PM #60:	also, I find your comparison of free speech to slavery to be very offensive to black people can I have the phone number for the police station nearest to you? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958866] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> also, I find your comparison of free speech to slavery to be very offensive to black peoplecan I have the phone number for the police station nearest to you? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 8:28:00 PM #61:	From: nintendogirl1 \| #058 Learn to move forwards. Oh don't worry, we are. We are continuously inflating our currency against the guidelines of the Constitution, and soon we will use our money to bail out all of Europe, probably without the support of Congress, which is also un-Constitutional. And maybe in 5-10 years we will all be Chinese! Yay progress! -- _foolmo_ 'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958867] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: nintendogirl1 \| #058Learn to move forwards.Oh don't worry, we are.We are continuously inflating our currency against the guidelines of the Constitution, and soon we will use our money to bail out all of Europe, probably without the support of Congress, which is also un-Constitutional. And maybe in 5-10 years we will all be Chinese! Yay progress! -- _foolmo_'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nintendogirl1 03/27/12 8:29:00 PM #62:	From: SmartMuffin \| #059 Throwing people in prison for saying something you don't like has been around a LOT longer than the concept of freedom of speech has. Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech. -- Continue. <cite>nintendogirl1 posted [p:958868] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #059Throwing people in prison for saying something you don't like has been around a LOT longer than the concept of freedom of speech has.Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech. -- Continue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/27/12 8:30:00 PM #63:	Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech. what he said still stands. Throwing people in prison for saying something you don't like has been around a LOT longer than the concept of freedom of speech has. <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:958869] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech.what he said still stands.Throwing people in prison for saying something you don't like has been around a LOT longer than the concept of freedom of speech has. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:31:00 PM #64:	Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech. Not really. He was killed by people like you who don't believe in it. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958870] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech.Not really. He was killed by people like you who don't believe in it. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 8:31:00 PM #65:	You may or may not recall that Socrates was executed by the government so yeah -- _foolmo_ 'Oh please, if foolmo made that analogy you'd think it was picture perfect' - Biolizard28 <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958871] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> You may or may not recall that Socrates was executed by the governmentso yeah -- _foolmo_'Oh please, if foolmo made that analogy you'd think it was picture perfect' - Biolizard28 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nintendogirl1 03/27/12 8:31:00 PM #66:	To get England: 011 44 If somebody's life is in danger or a crime is taking place, phone 999. To report all other crimes or incidents, or for general information and advice phone 101. In a non-emergency situation you can also text us on: 07786 200 814 My name is Cyndi Gold. -- You're welcome. <cite>nintendogirl1 posted [p:958872] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> To get England: 011 44If somebody's life is in danger or a crime is taking place, phone 999.To report all other crimes or incidents, or for general information and advice phone 101.In a non-emergency situation you can also text us on: 07786 200 814My name is Cyndi Gold. -- You're welcome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frankftw 03/27/12 8:32:00 PM #67:	From: nintendogirl1 \| #062 From: SmartMuffin \| #059 Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech. Socrates was thrown into prison until his death because freedom of speech didn't exist. -- [witty phrase including the guru champ SuperNiceDog] If there is one thing I know, it is that I know nothing. <cite>frankftw posted [p:958873] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: nintendogirl1 \| #062From: SmartMuffin \| #059Socrates 400BC was the freedom of speech.Socrates was thrown into prison until his death because freedom of speech didn't exist. -- [witty phrase including the guru champ SuperNiceDog]If there is one thing I know, it is that I know nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 03/27/12 8:32:00 PM #68:	xfd and xiii thought he could win uoty good luck with that -- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:958874] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> xfd and xiii thought he could win uotygood luck with that -- it's an underwater adventure ride </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 03/27/12 8:33:00 PM #69:	*nintendogirl1 posted...* From: SmartMuffin \| #053 Are British people really like this? I know, right? Like, I WANT to give them more credit than this, but they refuse to let me! I know you're country is pretty new to the whole "being a country" thing, but the first amendment has been around 220 years. Slavery had a sell by date. Learn to move forwards. Actually the US has the second longest surviving constitution of any country, behind San Marino. Looks like it's stood the test of time pretty well! -- No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga I wanted Sonic/Shadow romance at that time, not sex. - MWE <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:958875] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> nintendogirl1 posted...From: SmartMuffin \| #053Are British people really like this?I know, right?Like, I WANT to give them more credit than this, but they refuse to let me!I know you're country is pretty new to the whole "being a country" thing, but the first amendment has been around 220 years. Slavery had a sell by date. Learn to move forwards.Actually the US has the second longest surviving constitution of any country, behind San Marino. Looks like it's stood the test of time pretty well! -- No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - GuigaI wanted Sonic/Shadow romance at that time, not sex. - MWE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 8:33:00 PM #70:	So we call 011 44 999? You live in liverpool or something, right? I remember you posted your exact address once... -- _foolmo_ 'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958876] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> So we call 011 44 999? You live in liverpool or something, right? I remember you posted your exact address once... -- _foolmo_'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nintendogirl1 03/27/12 8:36:00 PM #71:	From: foolm0ron \| #070 So we call 011 44 999? You live in liverpool or something, right? I remember you posted your exact address once... Newcastle. That's the Northumberland Police department. They cover us here. -- :) <cite>nintendogirl1 posted [p:958877] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #070So we call 011 44 999? You live in liverpool or something, right? I remember you posted your exact address once...Newcastle. That's the Northumberland Police department. They cover us here. -- :) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 8:37:00 PM #72:	You live in a castle? No wonder you're for squashing the public's voice. **ing 1%ers... -- _foolmo_** 'I love you so much' - SineNomine <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958878] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> You live in a castle? No wonder you're for squashing the public's voice. ****ing 1%ers... -- _foolmo_'I love you so much' - SineNomine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westbrick 03/27/12 8:40:00 PM #73:	Wow, that's... rather open of you, ngirl. And let's not lose sight of the fact that in the grand scheme of things, America and England are birds of a feather politically. -- Tebow to Jests? http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png <cite>Westbrick posted [p:958879] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Wow, that's... rather open of you, ngirl. And let's not lose sight of the fact that in the grand scheme of things, America and England are birds of a feather politically. -- Tebow to Jests?http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19b15IB731qzdb47o1_400.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 03/27/12 8:43:00 PM #74:	Wow, that's... rather open of you, ngirl. not like you'd have to call the police for a government to be aware of everything that you do online, google, facebook, twitter etc are documenting all of your activities. <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:958880] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Wow, that's... rather open of you, ngirl. not like you'd have to call the police for a government to be aware of everything that you do online, google, facebook, twitter etc are documenting all of your activities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 03/27/12 8:44:00 PM #75:	Just called and duly reported Let's see if the powers that be deem ngirl to be offensive -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:958881] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Just called and duly reportedLet's see if the powers that be deem ngirl to be offensive -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:46:00 PM #76:	Nah, Americans aren't a protected class. ngirl is in absolutely no danger. And there's absolutely no way that, some years in the future, the devil may turn round on her. Nope. That never happens! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958882] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Nah, Americans aren't a protected class.ngirl is in absolutely no danger.And there's absolutely no way that, some years in the future, the devil may turn round on her. Nope. That never happens! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 8:46:00 PM #77:	I don't think british cops would take us seriously. They think Americans are overgrown apes or something. -- _foolmo_ 'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958883] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> I don't think british cops would take us seriously. They think Americans are overgrown apes or something. -- _foolmo_'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:48:00 PM #78:	They would probably deem our being offended by her to be offensive to them. They might send the UN after us or something! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958884] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> They would probably deem our being offended by her to be offensive to them. They might send the UN after us or something! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 03/27/12 8:55:00 PM #79:	From: foolm0ron \| #051 Are you **ing serious? Are British people really like this? I am always rather surprised by the extent to which you guys suck off the constitution, yeah. I find you're very...protective of the amendments, acting as if they are this indisputable behemoth of righteousness. You get your hackles up when people bring up the problems they have. I read an interesting theory once that basically said you guys don't have stuff like Arthurian legend, you have the founding fathers and the constitution instead. So you treat that thing with as much reverence as, say, the ten commandments (if not more), and get very protective of it as a result. I'm not saying I agree with that but it holds a fair amount of water because people do seem to get very defensive when you challenge some facet of the constitution. From: ExThaNemesis \| #038** Scorned, ridiculed, or (like arseblog wisely suggested) ignored? Sure. Thrown in jail? Absolutely not. If somebody is acutely aware of the controversial nature of their comments, they can expect scorn and ridicule. They can expect to be ignored by some people too. Unless you are raised in an extremely stunted manner you will be fully aware of the social magnitude of what you have just said - that kind of thing is completely expected. That guy made those tweets expecting people to hate him for it, expecting scorn and ridicule. That isn't how you stop racism. You either hire Sess or you actively punish people for what they've done. You don't give them what they expect (or even what they WANT). Basically: anyone who is overtly racist like that will be ripped apart by the vast majority of society. That's not a punishment for them, it is expected. There are less psychotic ways to display intolerance than JAILING people who offend you. That is psychotic. Big deal, the guy is gone for 2 months. Is he going to do it again? Almost certainly not. Success. It's not like he was given a life sentence here. In fairness, community service or something would also be an OK punishment. From: WazzupGenius00 \| #043 but what counts as "openly racist and offensive to people"? Do our jokes in the "If Link were black" topic count, or does it need to be more extreme? Less? Who gets to decide? I would say it should be aimed directly at somebody or a group of people. Making the occasional stereotype joke is deliberately close to the nail and controversial but it's not an openly offensive attack. Like I said, the line is actually far more clear than people seem to think it is. This "who gets to decide?" line is practically a cliche in arguments like this. Racism should be something we try and move away from at this point. A light jail sentence here and there for people who don't know where the line is seems OK to me. -- k <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:958885] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: foolm0ron \| #051Are you ****ing serious?Are British people really like this?I am always rather surprised by the extent to which you guys suck off the constitution, yeah. I find you're very...protective of the amendments, acting as if they are this indisputable behemoth of righteousness. You get your hackles up when people bring up the problems they have. I read an interesting theory once that basically said you guys don't have stuff like Arthurian legend, you have the founding fathers and the constitution instead. So you treat that thing with as much reverence as, say, the ten commandments (if not more), and get very protective of it as a result. I'm not saying I agree with that but it holds a fair amount of water because people do seem to get very defensive when you challenge some facet of the constitution.From: ExThaNemesis \| #038Scorned, ridiculed, or (like arseblog wisely suggested) ignored? Sure.Thrown in jail? Absolutely not.If somebody is acutely aware of the controversial nature of their comments, they can expect scorn and ridicule. They can expect to be ignored by some people too. Unless you are raised in an extremely stunted manner you will be fully aware of the social magnitude of what you have just said - that kind of thing is completely expected. That guy made those tweets expecting people to hate him for it, expecting scorn and ridicule. That isn't how you stop racism. You either hire Sess or you actively punish people for what they've done. You don't give them what they expect (or even what they WANT).Basically: anyone who is overtly racist like that will be ripped apart by the vast majority of society. That's not a punishment for them, it is expected.There are less psychotic ways to display intolerance than JAILING people who offend you. That is psychotic.Big deal, the guy is gone for 2 months. Is he going to do it again? Almost certainly not. Success. It's not like he was given a life sentence here. In fairness, community service or something would also be an OK punishment.From: WazzupGenius00 \| #043but what counts as "openly racist and offensive to people"? Do our jokes in the "If Link were black" topic count, or does it need to be more extreme? Less? Who gets to decide?I would say it should be aimed directly at somebody or a group of people. Making the occasional stereotype joke is deliberately close to the nail and controversial but it's not an openly offensive attack. Like I said, the line is actually far more clear than people seem to think it is. This "who gets to decide?" line is practically a cliche in arguments like this. Racism should be something we try and move away from at this point. A light jail sentence here and there for people who don't know where the line is seems OK to me. -- k </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 03/27/12 8:55:00 PM #80:	It's not a leap at all, considering it's just a short hand expression of the exact same concept - rather obvious from the fact that I ended the post in question by saying that your position requires any expression of these believes to be banned, not the existence of those beliefs. Not the same concept. Racism is bad, but can be confined to the brain. People are both irrational and rational - racism is basically irrational and can be tempered and mastered by rationality, right? So you can keep it in check. But some people choose not to. So being a racist itself should not be jailable because you can temper it, just like you can temper your desire to hurt somebody. And no, it's not "any" expression. I feel it has to be rather blatant. Ironic, considering that you are the one who is in favour of the government literally forcing onto society a certain standard for what is and is not "offensive". Yep, because it's better than the alternative (racism continuing to be cultivated and going unpunished). -- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs462.ash1/25378_426337043573_299696888573_5469519_6175407_n.jpg <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:958886] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> It's not a leap at all, considering it's just a short hand expression of the exact same concept - rather obvious from the fact that I ended the post in question by saying that your position requires any expression of these believes to be banned, not the existence of those beliefs.Not the same concept. Racism is bad, but can be confined to the brain. People are both irrational and rational - racism is basically irrational and can be tempered and mastered by rationality, right? So you can keep it in check. But some people choose not to. So being a racist itself should not be jailable because you can temper it, just like you can temper your desire to hurt somebody. And no, it's not "any" expression. I feel it has to be rather blatant. Ironic, considering that you are the one who is in favour of the government literally forcing onto society a certain standard for what is and is not "offensive".Yep, because it's better than the alternative (racism continuing to be cultivated and going unpunished). -- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs462.ash1/25378_426337043573_299696888573_5469519_6175407_n.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 8:56:00 PM #81:	Pretty sure there was no racism in 1984. I'm guessing XIII considers it a goal which, if he's lucky, England may someday achieve! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958887] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Pretty sure there was no racism in 1984. I'm guessing XIII considers it a goal which, if he's lucky, England may someday achieve! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ace_Killjoy 03/27/12 9:00:00 PM #82:	Naturally, I would post Elton John's "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting." but as you can see, it is not Saturday. :( -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force. http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/AceKilljoyShieldpngyp.png <cite>Ace_Killjoy posted [p:958888] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Naturally, I would post Elton John's "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting." but as you can see, it is not Saturday. :( -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force.http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/AceKilljoyShieldpngyp.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 03/27/12 9:00:00 PM #83:	racism is doubleplusungood -- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:958889] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> racism is doubleplusungood -- it's an underwater adventure ride </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 03/27/12 9:01:00 PM #84:	*XIII_rocks posted...* From: foolm0ron \| #051 Are you **ing serious? Are British people really like this? I am always rather surprised by the extent to which you guys suck off the constitution, yeah. I find you're very...protective of the amendments, acting as if they are this indisputable behemoth of righteousness. You get your hackles up when people bring up the problems they have. I read an interesting theory once that basically said you guys don't have stuff like Arthurian legend, you have the founding fathers and the constitution instead. So you treat that thing with as much reverence as, say, the ten commandments (if not more), and get very protective of it as a result. Yeah, except our foundation epic REALLY HAPPENED. And you wonder why America is the greatest nation on Earth? We have a greater legend than the Aeneid, the Arthurian myths, or anything else out there-- and ours is true! God we rule. -- SephirothG*, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness. The Resurrection <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:958890] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> XIII_rocks posted...From: foolm0ron \| #051Are you ***ing serious?Are British people really like this?I am always rather surprised by the extent to which you guys suck off the constitution, yeah. I find you're very...protective of the amendments, acting as if they are this indisputable behemoth of righteousness. You get your hackles up when people bring up the problems they have. I read an interesting theory once that basically said you guys don't have stuff like Arthurian legend, you have the founding fathers and the constitution instead. So you treat that thing with as much reverence as, say, the ten commandments (if not more), and get very protective of it as a result. Yeah, except our foundation epic REALLY HAPPENED.And you wonder why America is the greatest nation on Earth? We have a greater legend than the Aeneid, the Arthurian myths, or anything else out there-- and ours is true!God we rule. -- SephirothG, channeling awesomeness from Mershiness.The Resurrection </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 9:02:00 PM #85:	Also, I have to say I find it ironic that ngirl and XIII act like because of this, race relations are OBVIOUSLY better in England than they are in America. In America, a lot of people are upset that a black kid was recently killed. They are responding by wearing hoodies and tweeting about it. Remind me again what happened a few months ago when a black kid was killed by a cop? I'm sure the entire nation handled it in a dignified and respectful manner. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958891] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Also, I have to say I find it ironic that ngirl and XIII act like because of this, race relations are OBVIOUSLY better in England than they are in America.In America, a lot of people are upset that a black kid was recently killed. They are responding by wearing hoodies and tweeting about it.Remind me again what happened a few months ago when a black kid was killed by a cop? I'm sure the entire nation handled it in a dignified and respectful manner. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 03/27/12 9:02:00 PM #86:	Yeah I've never bothered arguing with your politics Smuffin (I know I am right and that you are wrong, oh so very wrong, about everything, so there's no point), but I thought I'd give it a go for once. You devolved into petty trolling faster than I thought you would! -- "oh my god oh my god a spider just crawled INTO MY KEYBOARD" -pxlated "It just wants some web access." - Ness26 <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:958892] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Yeah I've never bothered arguing with your politics Smuffin (I know I am right and that you are wrong, oh so very wrong, about everything, so there's no point), but I thought I'd give it a go for once. You devolved into petty trolling faster than I thought you would! -- "oh my god oh my god a spider just crawled INTO MY KEYBOARD" -pxlated"It just wants some web access." - Ness26 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverythingRuned 03/27/12 9:03:00 PM #87:	guys i'm pretty sure XIII is trolling but maybe not the concept of free speech is so ingrained in my psyche that it's hard to imagine someone that would argue against it. proving that culture can have a large influence on what I think, I suppose. <cite>EverythingRuned posted [p:958893] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> guys i'm pretty sure XIII is trollingbut maybe notthe concept of free speech is so ingrained in my psyche that it's hard to imagine someone that would argue against it. proving that culture can have a large influence on what I think, I suppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 03/27/12 9:03:00 PM #88:	From: XIII_rocks \| #086 Yeah I've never bothered arguing with your politics Smuffin (I know I am right and that you are wrong, oh so very wrong, about everything, so there's no point), but I thought I'd give it a go for once. You devolved into petty trolling faster than I thought you would! Well, at least I don't have to worry about going to jail for it. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:958894] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #086Yeah I've never bothered arguing with your politics Smuffin (I know I am right and that you are wrong, oh so very wrong, about everything, so there's no point), but I thought I'd give it a go for once. You devolved into petty trolling faster than I thought you would!Well, at least I don't have to worry about going to jail for it. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 03/27/12 9:04:00 PM #89:	From: SmartMuffin \| #085 Also, I have to say I find it ironic that ngirl and XIII act like because of this, race relations are OBVIOUSLY better in England than they are in America. In America, a lot of people are upset that a black kid was recently killed. They are responding by wearing hoodies and tweeting about it. Remind me again what happened a few months ago when a black kid was killed by a cop? I'm sure the entire nation handled it in a dignified and respectful manner. Uh where did we? At least we're making an active attempt to stop it, lmao "oh hey you're a racist but that's ok with me" is literally your attitude. -- "I have a place to live because of FFXI, I lost my virginity because of FFXI, and that's why it's my #5 game of all time" - RPGLord95 <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:958895] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #085Also, I have to say I find it ironic that ngirl and XIII act like because of this, race relations are OBVIOUSLY better in England than they are in America.In America, a lot of people are upset that a black kid was recently killed. They are responding by wearing hoodies and tweeting about it.Remind me again what happened a few months ago when a black kid was killed by a cop? I'm sure the entire nation handled it in a dignified and respectful manner.Uh where did we?At least we're making an active attempt to stop it, lmao"oh hey you're a racist but that's ok with me" is literally your attitude. -- "I have a place to live because of FFXI, I lost my virginity because of FFXI, and that's why it's my #5 game of all time" - RPGLord95 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scotted4 03/27/12 9:04:00 PM #90:	*XIII_rocks posted...* I would say it should be aimed directly at somebody or a group of people. Making the occasional stereotype joke is deliberately close to the nail and controversial but it's not an openly offensive attack. But he didn't physically harm anyone, and what defines an attack? If someone's emotions got hurt? Should we outlaw all comments that offend, regardless on what basis they were made? This "who gets to decide?" line is practically a cliche in arguments like this. Racism should be something we try and move away from at this point. A light jail sentence here and there for people who don't know where the line is seems OK to me. The "who gets to decide" line is not a cliche and cannot be written off as one. <cite>scotted4 posted [p:958896] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> XIII_rocks posted...I would say it should be aimed directly at somebody or a group of people. Making the occasional stereotype joke is deliberately close to the nail and controversial but it's not an openly offensive attack. But he didn't physically harm anyone, and what defines an attack? If someone's emotions got hurt? Should we outlaw all comments that offend, regardless on what basis they were made?This "who gets to decide?" line is practically a cliche in arguments like this. Racism should be something we try and move away from at this point. A light jail sentence here and there for people who don't know where the line is seems OK to me.The "who gets to decide" line is not a cliche and cannot be written off as one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 03/27/12 9:04:00 PM #91:	From: SmartMuffin \| #088 Well, at least I don't have to worry about going to jail for it. Being so wrong about so very many things should really be jailable too, which is why it's probably a good job I don't run things -- "I have a place to live because of FFXI, I lost my virginity because of FFXI, and that's why it's my #5 game of all time" - RPGLord95 <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:958897] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #088Well, at least I don't have to worry about going to jail for it.Being so wrong about so very many things should really be jailable too, which is why it's probably a good job I don't run things -- "I have a place to live because of FFXI, I lost my virginity because of FFXI, and that's why it's my #5 game of all time" - RPGLord95 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ace_Killjoy 03/27/12 9:05:00 PM #92:	Why can't the American race and the British race get along? -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force. http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/AceKilljoyShieldpngyp.png <cite>Ace_Killjoy posted [p:958898] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Why can't the American race and the British race get along? -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force.http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/AceKilljoyShieldpngyp.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverythingRuned 03/27/12 9:10:00 PM #93:	'i find killing unborn children extremely offensive' 'jail all those openly in favor of abortion' <cite>EverythingRuned posted [p:958899] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> 'i find killing unborn children extremely offensive''jail all those openly in favor of abortion' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frankftw 03/27/12 9:11:00 PM #94:	From: XIII_rocks \| #089 "oh hey you're a racist but that's ok with me" is literally your attitude. From: frankftw \| #016 "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- [witty phrase including the guru champ SuperNiceDog] If there is one thing I know, it is that I know nothing. <cite>frankftw posted [p:958900] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #089"oh hey you're a racist but that's ok with me" is literally your attitude.From: frankftw \| #016"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- [witty phrase including the guru champ SuperNiceDog]If there is one thing I know, it is that I know nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
amdragon22391 03/27/12 9:11:00 PM #95:	Wow. -- YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! I'm the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. Call me a role model, okay?! I'm a VEGAN. <cite>amdragon22391 posted [p:958901] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Wow. -- YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! I'm the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.Call me a role model, okay?! I'm a VEGAN. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scotted4 03/27/12 9:12:00 PM #96:	I find those who think they can tell me what to do with my body is offensive. Throw the pro-life supporters in jail <cite>scotted4 posted [p:958902] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> I find those who think they can tell me what to do with my body is offensive.Throw the pro-life supporters in jail </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 03/27/12 9:12:00 PM #97:	Guys just because we're right about freedom of speech doesn't mean we aren't wrong about a billion other things. Look at how we treat religion, for example. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg 'I have a voice that has the knowledge and the power to rule your fate.' <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:958903] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> Guys just because we're right about freedom of speech doesn't mean we aren't wrong about a billion other things.Look at how we treat religion, for example. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg'I have a voice that has the knowledge and the power to rule your fate.' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 03/27/12 9:13:00 PM #98:	From: XIII_rocks \| #079 I read an interesting theory once that basically said you guys don't have stuff like Arthurian legend, you have the founding fathers and the constitution instead. A country growing from nothing to the #1 country in the world financially, culturally, and militarily, as well as harboring the vast majority of top scientific and medical inventions of the last 100 years IS pretty legendary, you're right. Is it weird to attribute some of that success to the legal document that ran at the core of the country since the beginning? -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:958904] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: XIII_rocks \| #079I read an interesting theory once that basically said you guys don't have stuff like Arthurian legend, you have the founding fathers and the constitution instead.A country growing from nothing to the #1 country in the world financially, culturally, and militarily, as well as harboring the vast majority of top scientific and medical inventions of the last 100 years IS pretty legendary, you're right.Is it weird to attribute some of that success to the legal document that ran at the core of the country since the beginning? -- _foolmo_'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 03/27/12 9:15:00 PM #99:	From: scotted4 \| #090 But he didn't physically harm anyone, and what defines an attack? If someone's emotions got hurt? Should we outlaw all comments that offend, regardless on what basis they were made? Uh, no? If you aggressively attack a single person with racial slurs. It's not just "sticks and stones". The problem I have here is that you seem to think it's all about sticks and stones. This kind of thing can and does escalate which is why you punish it. In an ideal world, you insulting somebody for having big ears and you insulting somebody for their skin colour would have the same connotation and be treated the same - they'd just be insults but not necessarily THE MOST OFFENSIVE THING EVER. But in the real world they do not. From: scotted4 \| #090 The "who gets to decide" line is not a cliche and cannot be written off as one. It is a cliche because it gets carted around every time this argument happens. People get to decide. Athletes wanting to "take it one game at a time" is a cliche but they may in fact want to take it one game at a time >_> -- http://i48.tinypic.com/2q8zwvs.png <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:958905] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> From: scotted4 \| #090But he didn't physically harm anyone, and what defines an attack? If someone's emotions got hurt? Should we outlaw all comments that offend, regardless on what basis they were made?Uh, no? If you aggressively attack a single person with racial slurs. It's not just "sticks and stones". The problem I have here is that you seem to think it's all about sticks and stones. This kind of thing can and does escalate which is why you punish it. In an ideal world, you insulting somebody for having big ears and you insulting somebody for their skin colour would have the same connotation and be treated the same - they'd just be insults but not necessarily THE MOST OFFENSIVE THING EVER. But in the real world they do not. From: scotted4 \| #090The "who gets to decide" line is not a cliche and cannot be written off as one.It is a cliche because it gets carted around every time this argument happens. People get to decide. Athletes wanting to "take it one game at a time" is a cliche but they may in fact want to take it one game at a time >_> -- http://i48.tinypic.com/2q8zwvs.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverythingRuned 03/27/12 9:16:00 PM #100:	*scotted4 posted...* I find those who think they can tell me what to do with my body is offensive. Throw the pro-life supporters in jail /high five /topic over <cite>EverythingRuned posted [p:958906] in Speech - W... [t:62375729]...</cite> <quote> scotted4 posted...I find those who think they can tell me what to do with my body is offensive.Throw the pro-life supporters in jail/high five/topic over </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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