Board 8 > Student expelled for swearing....on Twitter. At 2 am. On his computer.

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Yeah, I can see how if there's a local committee that made the decision then it could be fair because you can get involved with the committee and such, democracy, etc., and in that sense you do have a vote on whether or not to pay for the computers.

I would be fine with that, but then you have something like the Department of Education...

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also since when is dropping the f bomb an expellable offense

I did that s*** all the time in high school and most teachers were just like "don't do that in our earshot please or we'll be required to give you detention"

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I think people are focusing too much on whether the school should be allowed to do what they did, and not enough on whether it was still a really stupid thing for them to do.

Seriously, what the f*** is wrong with the f word?

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From: OmarsComin | #052
also since when is dropping the f bomb an expellable offense

I did that s*** all the time in high school and most teachers were just like "don't do that in our earshot please or we'll be required to give you detention"

Exactly! I'm glad other people get the point that the school is ludicrously strict to consider swearing worthy of expelling someone.

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Its obvious this guy is weird. I am betting some classmate who doesnt like him raised a fuss and the principal decided to enforce the policy in the most stupidly gung-ho way possible.

Fair enough, but you can't go claiming it has your damn IP address on it when it doesn't.

From: http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/High-School-Senior-Expelled-For-Tweeting-Profanity---144022966.html

The principal at Garrett High School claims their system tracks all the tweets on Twitter when a student logs in, meaning even if he did tweet it from home their system could have recognized it when he logged in again at school.

Which would be a much more reasonable analog attack. It also means they'd have no idea whether it was posted from a school computer or not. And this is exactly why you don't claim BS like "we know it was made from our IP address".

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I'd say that the school has a right to punish the student, but that the punishment is too harsh. I'd say that taking away his computer privileges would have sufficed. Maybe an in-school suspension.

With students protesting it, I wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't rescind the decision. I still remember a student getting into trouble recently around here for a free-speech issue. And the punishment was rescinded, and the Principal ended up resigning.

From: OmarsComin | #052
also since when is dropping the f bomb an expellable offense

I did that s*** all the time in high school and most teachers were just like "don't do that in our earshot please or we'll be required to give you detention"

Yeah this is pretty much what I've been saying. yes the school is allowed to monitor tweets and place restrictions on what someone does with school property.

Should the school expel over something he wrote when if he had said I would be suprised if he even got detention? DEFINITELY not.

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Yeah, my feeling here is not that they don't have a right to punish him for this (only given that it is in fact a school-issued computer), but that their punishment is absurdly out of line.

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Leebo86 posted...
If the school-issued laptop also requires you log into a VPN, then they could easily tell what you're doing no matter where you are.

Fair enough, but I'd still have to ask what school has the resources to go and monitor every single tweet on their end, not to mention this creates other obvious security problems since they should still not be able to line up twitter activity exactly unless they're effectively mounting man-in-the-middle attacks which would just paint a HUGE target on your network. It means you effectively have a few hundred-odd passwords and are a very low security target. Like, Anon-level hackers can easily break into the level of security most school networks have.

you're a smart dude, try and think of some easy ways to monitor what types of text content people send over your network, automatic ways, etc.

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neonreaper posted...
you're a smart dude, try and think of some easy ways to monitor what types of text content people send over your network, automatic ways, etc.

Plaintext stuff, easy-modo. As I noted, an analog attack is very practical, but it gives no way to know where a post was made from. (ergo there's no way to claim it was made from an IP address you control) There are other practical analog attacks like say, having a keylogger on every laptop (ignoring the other security problems this presents) which you could use to prove someone at that terminal made that comment. But you wouldn't say it came from your IP address, you'd say you have keylogs proving your case.

Anything that requires authentication, typically not easy-modo. As I noted, it's doable, but it paints a giant "ZOMG COME HAXOR ME NOW" sign on you if anyone learns of it.

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foolm0ron posted...
Eh, I really don't like that the government can take taxes, buy something with the money, and then give it back to the people with extra restrictions. It's just too abusable.

They do this all the time with stuff like roads

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What a bunch of bull ****

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From: JDTAY | Posted: 3/28/2012 3:35:55 PM | #053
I think people are focusing too much on whether the school should be allowed to do what they did, and not enough on whether it was still a really stupid thing for them to do.

Board 8 does this all the time.

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My history teacher says f*** when necessary, and he's been at my school for 30 years!

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People should mail the school letters that just say

"Hey

You f***ed up."

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that's f***ing dumb. Then again using twitter at all is f***ing dumb but still that kid should burn the school to the ground (after hours when no one is there of course)

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From: Hrezs | #061
They do this all the time with stuff like roads

And beyond something like the interstate highway system (which I just think is epic enough to merit building, even if definitely wasn't the best use of money), I don't support that either.

Are some people here really that thick or are you guys joking with the uk stuff? Either way it's dumb because it's a flawed statement or a bad joke. Swearing does not equal hate speech. If anything the uk and most eu countries are more laid back about swearing: it doesnt get censored on broadcast..guess which country DOES do this. If you're going to make jokes at least have them make sense.

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I went to a public school that issued everyone laptops (it was an IT focused magnet school) and people would get in trouble from time to time for things like porn, installing games, doing things to get around the schools security, etc

but there was never anything like a student getting in trouble for swearing. as far as I know that is not even against the rules. and honestly, every student I knew did TONS of things against the rules...everyone had games installed and that required getting around the schools security system. all you really had to do was just make sure you fix everything by laptop inspection, which was supposed to be random, but someone always leaked this information. and even if you got caught, you usually were not expelled or anything unless it was either something REALLY bad (some kid got expelled for having pron of another student) or you were a repeat offender. I dunno if at my school they just were lax because everyone was doing things against the rules, or if the method of telling what kids are doing/security have just improved so much since then, but this seems like a very odd case.

Of course...this was also before twitter, and before facebook was open to high schoolers....but I don't recall them tracking myspaces! >_>

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I absolutely don't care whether it's within the school's right to punish him... however, I am pissed off by the fact that they did so, that's downright offensively prudish to me!

sensationalist drivel report. The kid misused school equipment, it probably wasn't his first offence, either. This story has nothing to do with a reaction to the f-word other than it being the context of the misuse. If they've gone to the trouble of setting up watchdog software I'd be willing to bet that every student is well briefed on their policies for using their equipment at home or in school. If you rent someones equipment and sign an agreement that it won't be used for non-educational purposes then tough crap, the school can do whatever they like with you if you break it.

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If they've gone to the trouble of setting up watchdog software I'd be willing to bet that every student is well briefed on their policies for using their equipment at home or in school. If you rent someones equipment and sign an agreement that it won't be used for non-educational purposes then tough crap, the school can do whatever they like with you if you break it.

Fair enough.

Earlier:
From: http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/High-School-Senior-Expelled-For-Tweeting-Profanity---144022966.html

The principal at Garrett High School claims their system tracks all the tweets on Twitter when a student logs in, meaning even if he did tweet it from home their system could have recognized it when he logged in again at school.

It's not fair when you outright lie and have no actual evidence it was made from your computers. As I said before in the topic, knowing what IP address a tweet came from raises serious red flags.

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This is how high school teacher/student relationships SHOULD be

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From: __Smurf__ | #071
sensationalist drivel report. The kid misused school equipment, it probably wasn't his first offence, either. This story has nothing to do with a reaction to the f-word other than it being the context of the misuse. If they've gone to the trouble of setting up watchdog software I'd be willing to bet that every student is well briefed on their policies for using their equipment at home or in school. If you rent someones equipment and sign an agreement that it won't be used for non-educational purposes then tough crap, the school can do whatever they like with you if you break it.

They can do whatever they like, yes. But should they? I mean, yeah, every student signs those forms because otherwise you can't use the technology services. But they aren't going to stop kids from swearing, nor should they expect to

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