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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 11:31:00 AM
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http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/high-school-expels-student-tweeting-f-word-204216086.html



Well we're all f***ed if we were going that school huh?

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KingButz
03/28/12 11:40:00 AM
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Hey that kind of language is offensive and he deserved to be expelled.


Oh wait he lives in America, so he didn't break any laws.

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Liquid Wind
03/28/12 11:42:00 AM
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school is in the wrong but it's a good lesson for him, social media is a plague and can cause a lot of headaches if you aren't careful with it.
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Mershaaay
03/28/12 11:44:00 AM
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That's why the Golden Age of the Internet is dead. Being anonymous was the PRIMARY reason why the web worked.

I'll always prefer this board to Facebook for that very fact.

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vcharon
03/28/12 11:45:00 AM
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Doesn't sound like a good lesson to me. School isn't teaching him about American freedom obviously. I give the lesson a F.

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Liquid Wind
03/28/12 11:45:00 AM
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That's why the Golden Age of the Internet is dead. Being anonymous was the PRIMARY reason why the web worked.

I was going to say that back in my day we knew better but I didn't want to be the crotchety old man...it's a double edged sword as well, for all the good that anonymity did for the internet, it also spawned places like 4chan
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Mershaaay
03/28/12 11:46:00 AM
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Liquid Wind posted...
That's why the Golden Age of the Internet is dead. Being anonymous was the PRIMARY reason why the web worked.

I was going to say that back in my day we knew better but I didn't want to be the crotchety old man...it's a double edged sword as well, for all the good that anonymity did for the internet, it also spawned places like 4chan

That's the way the Internet should be though.

Keep my grandparents off this sacred ground and leave it to the people who can stomach it.

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Liquid Wind
03/28/12 11:47:00 AM
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Doesn't sound like a good lesson to me. School isn't teaching him about American freedom obviously. I give the lesson a F.

preparing him for the police state that our politicians are working so hard on creating, be careful what you think kids, you may wind up in guantanamo!
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AfroSquirrel
03/28/12 11:47:00 AM
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I think that the problem is not the swearing, but that he tweeted and 2:30 AM from a school computer >_>

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Liquid Wind
03/28/12 11:48:00 AM
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I think that the problem is not the swearing, but that he tweeted and 2:30 AM from a school computer >_>

he said it was from his computer. someone is lying and given that it was at 2am, I'm inclined to believe the kid
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Mershaaay
03/28/12 11:48:00 AM
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Maddox is a great example. Dude was the f***ing KING ten years ago because he was just some faceless avatar on the web.

Now he has become a real person, which makes him far less interesting/iconic. Only Ulti has managed to transpose that persona unto his real-life character. Hail.

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CalvinbalI
03/28/12 11:51:00 AM
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Wow, the tweet in question wasn't even directed at anyone. It was a comment on the many part of speech that "f***" and its variations can occupy.

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 11:55:00 AM
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ib4 brits claim this is okay

School should be sued immediately. Or rather, the school should reverse the decision and apologize profusely, because all this media attention is not good.

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Panthera
03/28/12 11:56:00 AM
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Man how ****ing (oh god I'm going to get banned) ridiculously strict is that school anyway? If I had just said the word **** (oh god, banned!) in high school the majority of my teachers wouldn't have even said anything beyond "don't say that" or "watch your language" or something, even the strictest ones hearing it wouldn't have gotten me in much trouble.

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Weakupedia
03/28/12 11:57:00 AM
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dumb school and i'm pretty sure monitoring tweets and holding students accountable for what they say is some sort of unconstitutional

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edwardsdv
03/28/12 11:58:00 AM
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"School issued computer"

This was probably one of those fancy pants schools with a budget that gives every student a laptop. So it could very well have been both from a school computer and from home.

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 11:59:00 AM
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From: edwardsdv | #016
"School issued computer"

This was probably one of those fancy pants schools with a budget that gives every student a laptop. So it could very well have been both from a school computer and from home.


This is definitely possible, and it goes to show you the problems with letting government involve themselves so much in education.

Sure, you can get a "free" computer, but now you don't have any freedoms when using that computer. Good trade, right?

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JDTAY
03/28/12 12:01:00 PM
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foolm0ron posted...
Sure, you can get a "free" computer, but now you don't have any freedoms when using that computer. Good trade, right?

Any computer I can't porn it up on is not "free".

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Weakupedia
03/28/12 12:02:00 PM
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why would a school give students a porn machine

and don't give me that "computers can be used for other things" crap

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Liquid Wind
03/28/12 12:02:00 PM
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eh, I see no problem with that, it's a rental, a private school could lend you a computer and kick you out for using it in a way that they disagree with as well...actually a private business doesn't really need any pretense for booting you. what I find questionable is how some schools have the money to give away computers but others can't afford proper staffing, up to date text books etc
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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 12:02:00 PM
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Lol, oh wow. School issued computers.


Can you imagine what would have happened if the kid was looking at porn?

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LordoftheMorons
03/28/12 12:02:00 PM
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What is this, the UK?

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 12:02:00 PM
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From: JDTAY | #018
Any computer I can't porn it up on is not "free".

>_>


That's what I'm saying, yo

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Leebo86
03/28/12 12:02:00 PM
#24:


It's reasonable to put restrictions on school-issued equipment. Putting a restriction such as "no profanity" is probably going overboard, but it's not like anyone should expect to be able to do anything they want on something loaned to them for schoolwork.

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 12:04:00 PM
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From: Liquid Wind | #020
eh, I see no problem with that, it's a rental, a private school could lend you a computer and kick you out for using it in a way that they disagree with as well...actually a private business doesn't really need any pretense for booting you. what I find questionable is how some schools have the money to give away computers but others can't afford proper staffing, up to date text books etc


Is this a private school, though? If it is, then I am fine with it, but the problem comes when it's a public school.

SOMEONE has to pay for the computers, right? Just because the kids are given "free" computers doesn't mean they are free. The government forcefully collects money from the people in the form of taxes, and then uses that money to buy computers for the kids.

Now, in THAT case, there should be no restrictions at all on the computers, because they are publicly funded.

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Liquid Wind
03/28/12 12:05:00 PM
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Dark Young Link posted...
Lol, oh wow. School issued computers.


Can you imagine what would have happened if the kid was looking at porn?

yet another advantage of how things were like when we were growing up

how many people here used to go to spoilers? if you do that nowadays google and facebook's tracking cookies are attaching that to your real name and filing it in a database that they sell access to, now you can potentially miss out on being hired for a job as a result.
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TRE Public Account
03/28/12 12:06:00 PM
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This is definitely possible, and it goes to show you the problems with letting government involve themselves so much in education.

Sure, you can get a "free" computer, but now you don't have any freedoms when using that computer. Good trade, right?

Assuming they aren't forced to use the computer in some way, I don't see how that isn't a fair deal. If you don't like the terms of use for the rented computer you can opt not to use it.

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Leebo86
03/28/12 12:07:00 PM
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If it's a private school, the funds came directly from the kids' families and not generally from everyone in the town, so why would that make it okay to restrict them?

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 12:08:00 PM
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From: TRE Public Account | #027
If you don't like the terms of use for the rented computer you can opt not to use it.


You can't opt not to pay for it, though. Taxes are mandatory.

From: Leebo86 | #028
If it's a private school, the funds came directly from the kids' families and not generally from everyone in the town, so why would that make it okay to restrict them?


Because you can opt not to pay for the computer by not enrolling your kid in the school and not paying tuition.

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Weakupedia
03/28/12 12:09:00 PM
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Leebo86 posted...
If it's a private school, the funds came directly from the kids' families and not generally from everyone in the town, so why would that make it okay to restrict them?

probably because the parents have signed something saying the school can do what it wants with their money if the school let's their kid in

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Phase
03/28/12 12:10:00 PM
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edwardsdv posted...
"School issued computer"

This was probably one of those fancy pants schools with a budget that gives every student a laptop. So it could very well have been both from a school computer and from home.

From the article: "Still, the school reportedly maintained that the tweets were adorned with its IP address"

IP ADDRESSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOOD NIGHT.

(also, how the heck do they know what IP that was sent from? Does Twitter just broadcast what IPs are sent from? This reeks of technologically incompetent people trying to hide behind tech they hope other people also don't understand.)

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edwardsdv
03/28/12 12:11:00 PM
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From: foolm0ron | #025
Is this a private school, though? If it is, then I am fine with it, but the problem comes when it's a public school.

SOMEONE has to pay for the computers, right? Just because the kids are given "free" computers doesn't mean they are free. The government forcefully collects money from the people in the form of taxes, and then uses that money to buy computers for the kids.

Now, in THAT case, there should be no restrictions at all on the computers, because they are publicly funded.


Or should there. I mean in most localities porn is illegal to look at if youre under 18. So if hes using a publicly funded computer to break the laws that the taxpayers have voted people into office to pass, then isn't it the governments duty to enforce those laws so that the taxpayer isnt literally financing crime.

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Leebo86
03/28/12 12:11:00 PM
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If the school-issued laptop also requires you log into a VPN, then they could easily tell what you're doing no matter where you are.

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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 12:12:00 PM
#34:


Liquid Wind posted...
Dark Young Link posted...
Lol, oh wow. School issued computers.


Can you imagine what would have happened if the kid was looking at porn?

yet another advantage of how things were like when we were growing up

how many people here used to go to spoilers? if you do that nowadays google and facebook's tracking cookies are attaching that to your real name and filing it in a database that they sell access to, now you can potentially miss out on being hired for a job as a result.

Yep. You know this world is ****ed up if someone doesn't get hired because they look at *ahem* "pictures" on the internet in the privacy of their own home on the computer they bought with their money.(Assuming said pictures are of adults of course).

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 12:12:00 PM
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From: edwardsdv | #031
Or should there. I mean in most localities porn is illegal to look at if youre under 18. So if hes using a publicly funded computer to break the laws that the taxpayers have voted people into office to pass, then isn't it the governments duty to enforce those laws so that the taxpayer isnt an accessory to a crime?


That has nothing to do with whether the computer is publicly funded or not. If a kid if looking at porn on his own computer or a school's computer, it's illegal and he/his parents would be punished.
Same if he was buying a baby or drugs or something. It's illegal everywhere, no matter what computer you're on.

The difference with the tweet thing is that it's not against the law.

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tee316
03/28/12 12:13:00 PM
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From: Leebo86 | #028
If it's a private school, the funds came directly from the kids' families and not generally from everyone in the town, so why would that make it okay to restrict them?


Because the funds come from the parents. If there is any restrictions on the computer I am sure it is to please the parents to keep giving the school their money.

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Leebo86
03/28/12 12:14:00 PM
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But foolmo's point is

-something bought with everyone's money = you should be able to do anything, including look at porn
-something bought with your money = no problem with restrictions

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OmarsComin
03/28/12 12:15:00 PM
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Now, in THAT case, there should be no restrictions at all on the computers, because they are publicly funded.

yes

you know I find myself in agreement with you politically an awful lot lately


IP ADDRESSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOOD NIGHT.

(also, how the heck do they know what IP that was sent from? Does Twitter just broadcast what IPs are sent from? This reeks of technologically incompetent people trying to hide behind tech they hope other people also don't understand.)

ha yeah I was wondering about this too. I wonder if some computer guy came out and said "this is how you can tell they're making s*** up" if it would force them to admit they are frauds.

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 12:17:00 PM
#39:


From: Leebo86 | #037
-something bought with everyone's money = you should be able to do anything, including look at porn
-something bought with your money = no problem with restrictions


-something bought with everyone's money = you can do anything that you can do with a computer you personally bought, which obviously excludes illegal things

-something bought by school to which you have given your money = should be able to put on restrictions if it wants, because you are always free to stop paying the school

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Leebo86
03/28/12 12:20:00 PM
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I could throw my personal laptop out of my window if I want, and there's nothing illegal about that.

I think if you're a tax payer, you'd want to make sure the people getting laptops are restricted from doing harmful things to the equipment.

I know the swearing wasn't harmful to the equipment, but your point was that they shouldn't be able to tell you what to do at all.

I think it's reasonable to restrict things like websites you visit, software you install, etc. They have the potential to harm the computer.

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edwardsdv
03/28/12 12:21:00 PM
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But there SHOULD be restrictions on them. Because they are publicly funded you should be forced to adhere to all laws and school policies.

A public school district is a political entity. You pay them taxes and you have the right to run for school board and to be a part of the policy-making process on the local level. If I were a parent in this district and disagreed with it I would be at the school raising hell. If there were enough parents making a fuss the policies would change or not be enforced so stupidly. And that actually looks like its happening here given the hub-bub. Who do you think alerted the media?

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Phase
03/28/12 12:22:00 PM
#42:


Leebo86 posted...
If the school-issued laptop also requires you log into a VPN, then they could easily tell what you're doing no matter where you are.

Fair enough, but I'd still have to ask what school has the resources to go and monitor every single tweet on their end, not to mention this creates other obvious security problems since they should still not be able to line up twitter activity exactly unless they're effectively mounting man-in-the-middle attacks which would just paint a HUGE target on your network. It means you effectively have a few hundred-odd passwords and are a very low security target. Like, Anon-level hackers can easily break into the level of security most school networks have.

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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 12:23:00 PM
#44:


Phase posted...
edwardsdv posted...
"School issued computer"

This was probably one of those fancy pants schools with a budget that gives every student a laptop. So it could very well have been both from a school computer and from home.

From the article: "Still, the school reportedly maintained that the tweets were adorned with its IP address"

IP ADDRESSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOOD NIGHT.

(also, how the heck do they know what IP that was sent from? Does Twitter just broadcast what IPs are sent from? This reeks of technologically incompetent people trying to hide behind tech they hope other people also don't understand.)

Did you say technologically incompetent people trying to hide behind tech?!





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edwardsdv
03/28/12 12:23:00 PM
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From: Phase | #042
Fair enough, but I'd still have to ask what school has the resources to go and monitor every single tweet on their end, not to mention this creates other obvious security problems since they should still not be able to line up twitter activity exactly unless they're effectively mounting man-in-the-middle attacks which would just paint a HUGE target on your network. It means you effectively have a few hundred-odd passwords and are a very low security target. Like, Anon-level hackers can easily break into the level of security most school networks have.


Its obvious this guy is weird. I am betting some classmate who doesnt like him raised a fuss and the principal decided to enforce the policy in the most stupidly gung-ho way possible.

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foolm0ron
03/28/12 12:24:00 PM
#46:


Eh, I really don't like that the government can take taxes, buy something with the money, and then give it back to the people with extra restrictions. It's just too abusable.

People SHOULD be able to throw their publicly-funded computers out the window. Of course this is a waste of money, and the solution isn't to add restrictions, but to not take taxes to buy computers for people.

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Leebo86
03/28/12 12:25:00 PM
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Should you be able to walk into the computer lab and throw one of the computers in there out of the school window? I imagine the terms of use for those and the ones you are allowed to take home are pretty much the same.

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edwardsdv
03/28/12 12:26:00 PM
#48:


From: foolm0ron | #046
Eh, I really don't like that the government can take taxes, buy something with the money, and then give it back to the people with extra restrictions. It's just too abusable.

People SHOULD be able to throw their publicly-funded computers out the window. Of course this is a waste of money, and the solution isn't to add restrictions, but to not take taxes to buy computers for people.


But who decided to buy the computers? There may have been some kind of state level grant, but in all likelihood it was a local decision to spend money that way, restrictions and all. In fact I could see some parents, you know the types, who would INSIST on those kinds of restrictions to help further control their children's lives.

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Westbrick
03/28/12 12:27:00 PM
#49:


dumb school and i'm pretty sure monitoring tweets and holding students accountable for what they say is some sort of unconstitutional

Supreme Court's ruled pretty consistently that rights to free speech aren't protected in public schools.

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KingButz
03/28/12 12:30:00 PM
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The real question here is why he tweets from a computer and not from his phone

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