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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 7:12:00 PM
#51:


And since I'm in the mood, I'll address this as well I figure.

SanityLapse posted...

Society has blown sexual abuse to such high proportions, that when it does cause emotional trauma, it's seen as some ridiculously life altering thing, that ruins everything, and the person can never have any joy. And people are raised knowing this, and it allows them to point it out time and time again, and use it as an excuse for not moving past emotional trauma. It sounds cold how I'm wording it, but it's true.

Our society does take sex rather too seriously at times, but that doesn't mean dismissing the troubles of sexual abuse is a wise thing. You say that what you say is "ture", but how do you know for sure? Even if (God forbid) you were abused as a child and you somehow got over it, your experience does not speak for the experiences of well... anyone else really. Sexually abuse has been proven to mess people up. Some people more than others of course.

The fact is, there are so many things in the world that cause "emotional trauma", and we are glorifying sex so much to the point, where it's the "ultimate abuse". But what about people who are bullied at school at a young age? People who are constantly spanked by their parents? People who were cheated on in a relationship? People who were drafted into military and forced to kill and watch others die? People who got mugged? People who have had their house broken in to? I could keep going on. All of these things would cause emotional trauma, but the one that involves sex is considered the worse. Why? Because it's what we were told when we were young.

It's the level of emotional trauma. Bullying is a coin flip. Minor bullying won't do too much usually, but major bullying can lead into depression, which can lead to murder and/or suicide. Being spanked tends to not cause any major problems, unless the spanking was barbaric(as in you beat your child with a pipe or something). But anyway, you seem to be making a common logical fallacy. That is, "If something worse can happen, then this other thing isn't a big deal". Yes there are worse things than sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean sexual abuse isn't a major thing.

But the US is the same country that constantly has people saying stuff like "Can I watch Rambo with my child, or are there any sex scenes in it?"


Not everyone agrees with that. Also let's not forget the countries that would have a child watch a pornographic movie, but heaven forbid they see someone punch someone else!

I think I see your point, you're just wording it very badly. And/Or using it in the wrong context. You're saying that things shouldn't be super taboo just because sex is involved. That much is true, but when it comes to sexual abuse that should always be taken seriously.

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Wanglicious
03/28/12 7:14:00 PM
#52:


sexual abuse is the kind of abuse that touches upon every form of abuse out there in the worst cases. torture, physical and mental harm, both short and long term effects. doesn't help that it's used as a game of power or to degrade someone further because you're literally invading the most personal parts they have. it's done entirely for the sake of one party and is one of the most personal forms of "theft" you can take (murder being the most extreme of that category).

that's not the case here obviously - if it were that would be the headline and he'd get a hell of a lot more than that - but it's an understandable thing to be cautious of and worried about.

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Wanglicious
03/28/12 7:18:00 PM
#53:


...also this:

It's the level of emotional trauma. Bullying is a coin flip. Minor bullying won't do too much usually, but major bullying can lead into depression, which can lead to murder and/or suicide. Being spanked tends to not cause any major problems, unless the spanking was barbaric(as in you beat your child with a pipe or something). But anyway, you seem to be making a common logical fallacy. That is, "If something worse can happen, then this other thing isn't a big deal". Yes there are worse things than sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean sexual abuse isn't a major thing.

doesn't make sense. similar to bullying or any other form of abuse, sexual abuse has a range - one that's much larger than just about any other. you can't say "well yes there are levels to these things however this one's major!" because it's entirely possible that it was less than what you just okay'd. blanketing it under a single category doesn't work if you're also willing to break others off (which, you should).

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WazzupGenius00
03/28/12 7:18:00 PM
#54:


From: Wanglicious | #049also 3 and a half years for what he did, depending on the extent, is perfectly fine. the details aren't said but judging by the sentence and relatively light tone of the article he probably didn't amount to more than minor petting, and he owned up to the crime after being caught. yes, it's still wrong, but let's not go overboard and give the man sentences that you give to rapists and murderers. 3.5 years is probably fine depending on the extent, and i'll trust those who know the facts better.


Another article I saw said he admitted to "two offenses of assault by penetration" so it sounds like it was more than that

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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 7:22:00 PM
#55:


Wait, penetration? And the bastard gets a slap on the wrist?!

Unbelievable...

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SanityLapse
03/28/12 7:25:00 PM
#56:


Thanks for the good reply Dark Young Link. Those are the kinds of posts I like to read.

I pretty much agree with most of what you were saying. Although:

"That is, "If something worse can happen, then this other thing isn't a big deal". Yes there are worse things than sexual abuse, but that doesn't mean sexual abuse isn't a major thing."

I wasn't aiming to say that. I was just pointing out how so much abuse goes unpunished, yet sexual abuse gets punished very very heavily. It deserves the punishment, I just think those who say "punishment by death" is ridiculous.


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Wanglicious
03/28/12 7:25:00 PM
#57:


...that'd need some context to it and more specific to what he meant. if it were rape the article would jump on that. they didn't + the sentence is *relatively* light (not for what you're thinking) = it wasn't.


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Wanglicious
03/28/12 7:27:00 PM
#58:


there are some cases that make you go 'okay just kill him.'

though those usually aren't JUST the sexual abuse. they tend to come with kidnapping and torture.

(cause seriously just kill those guys.)

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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 7:33:00 PM
#59:


Probably but keep in mind two very important things.

1. Sexual abuse... is just in it's own special category for many people. It's not brainwashing, or hivemind, that's just how it is. I'm no expert on the matter.

2. Crimes against a child are considered far more seriously against crimes against an adult. Children are innocent, children are powerless, that's how many people feel about children(small children anyway, teenagers are borderline). Hell I'm the same way. Abuse an innocent man or woman and I feel that you should go to jail for that, but abuse a child and I want to beat you to an inch of your life myself before calling the cops(Keep in mind what I want to do and what I'd do aren't the same by default)

Combine the two? People are going to be demanding blood.

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ZX_Lucian
03/28/12 7:40:00 PM
#60:


Princess Anri posted...
From: ZX_Lucian | #031
Ok Princess Anri, I'm a douche.
Yeah, we get it.


Hopy s*** she changed my post!

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MegaWentEvil
03/28/12 7:40:00 PM
#61:


I think death penalty doesn't really stop criminals.

For example, if a murderer knows he/she's gonna go to the death row, then he/she's just going to murder as much people as he/she can, cause he/she's gonna die no matter what.
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CalvinbalI
03/28/12 7:45:00 PM
#62:


From: Wanglicious | #049
The length of the sentence is fair because, judging by the length of the sentence, what he did wasn't too bad. In other news, circular logic is circular because circular logic is circular.



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Ace_Killjoy
03/28/12 7:50:00 PM
#63:


MegaWentEvil posted...
I think death penalty doesn't really stop criminals.

Wait. You don't mean-

MegaWentEvil posted...
For example, if a murderer knows he/she's gonna go to the death row, then he/she's just going to murder as much people as he/she can, cause he/she's gonna die no matter what.

Oh. I thought we were going into a paranormal area there, for a second.

I wonder if there is something that you could threaten a potential murderer with that would be perceived as "worse than dead"...

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SmartMuffin
03/28/12 7:53:00 PM
#64:


Typically, your odds of receiving a death sentence go up with the amount of people you kill.

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SanityLapse
03/28/12 7:54:00 PM
#65:


Or if you live in Texas.


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Haste_2
03/28/12 8:06:00 PM
#66:


I've heard that those that were molested as kids have an extremely high chance of being criminals when they're older, more than those abused in other ways. IF that's the case, I think it's clear that sexual abuse, in general, is more traumatic than any other.

It would be helpful if someone could verify (or un-verify) this. Stats are difficult to find and rely on, though....

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Dark Young Link
03/28/12 8:08:00 PM
#67:


Ace_Killjoy posted...


I wonder if there is something that you could threaten a potential murderer with that would be perceived as "worse than dead"...

Torture the hell out of them, then kill them.



That would be wrong, but it's an option.

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Ace_Killjoy
03/28/12 8:12:00 PM
#68:


Dark Young Link posted...
Torture the hell out of them, then kill them.

That would be wrong, but it's an option.


Well, I was thinking that. Though, worse to leave them alive, I'd think, as death would be what they'd desire most.

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thundersheep
03/28/12 8:16:00 PM
#69:


Ugh. I seriously hate these topics because if someone says anything other than "those people should be killed" you're seen as someone who condones child rape. It's not even possible for me to describe how much I'm disgusted by these kinds of crimes, but at the same time, not everyone who is molested as a child suffers severe psychological damage and is just a shell of a person for the rest of their life, unable to stop reliving the experiences. Rape of any kind is not worse than murder.

That's all. I'm not going to open this topic again.

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Ace_Killjoy
03/28/12 8:23:00 PM
#70:


I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get barbaric.
It's just that rape is one of the sins I despise the most.

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ZX_Lucian
03/28/12 9:41:00 PM
#71:


MegaWentEvil posted...
I think death penalty doesn't really stop criminals.

For example, if a murderer knows he/she's gonna go to the death row, then he/she's just going to murder as much people as he/she can, cause he/she's gonna die no matter what.


This is coming from a guy who gets off jury duty because of disability.

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paperwarior
03/28/12 10:04:00 PM
#72:


Ugh. I seriously hate these topics because if someone says anything other than "those people should be killed" you're seen as someone who condones child rape.

They obviously don't condone child rape, but what they're saying goes too far in the opposite direction from calling for blood. I'd guess they really stand with you and me pretty much on the glorious Middle Ground, but they end up sounding like they're telling the victim "Just get over it. You'll deal with worse later." while treating us all like backwards hicks clad in chastity belts.

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MegaWentEvil
03/29/12 12:36:00 PM
#73:


Shut up, Lucian.
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KingButz
03/29/12 1:03:00 PM
#74:


imo sexual abuse is the penultimate crime, next to murder. There's a very fine line there.

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RyokIes
03/29/12 1:08:00 PM
#75:


darn child rape apologists

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foolm0ron
03/29/12 1:12:00 PM
#76:


From: Princess Anri | #025
I'm sure they do but just think about it on a case-by-case basis.

If YOUR kid told you they were molested, would you give the benefit of the doubt to your kid and do EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY COULD AND MORE?

Or would you just be like "come on, don't tell stories!"

If you chose the second, you don't deserve life.


What if your kid is a total dick and would definitely make this up?

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SuperJanitor
03/29/12 1:12:00 PM
#77:


From: GranzonEx | #006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touching_is_good


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foolm0ron
03/29/12 1:12:00 PM
#78:


From: MegaWentEvil | #073
Shut up, Lucian.


Best MWE post ever

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Dark Young Link
03/29/12 1:26:00 PM
#79:


foolm0ron posted...
From: Princess Anri | #025
I'm sure they do but just think about it on a case-by-case basis.

If YOUR kid told you they were molested, would you give the benefit of the doubt to your kid and do EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY COULD AND MORE?

Or would you just be like "come on, don't tell stories!"

If you chose the second, you don't deserve life.
What if your kid is a total dick and would definitely make this up?


If you want to have a "boy who cried wolf" story, then sure.

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VincentLauw
03/29/12 1:36:00 PM
#80:


ZX_Lucian posted...
Princess Anri posted...
From: ZX_Lucian | #031
Ok Princess Anri, I'm a douche.
Yeah, we get it.

Hopy s*** she changed my post!

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/29/12 2:01:00 PM
#81:


Honorabrr misshun comprete! Thuread deraired successfurry!

:D

You guys are so easy to troll I don't even have to try anymore. In fact, I wasn't trying!

What I said is true though as others have pointed out. If this guy beat her up without doing anything sexual, even if she got badly hurt, nobody would make a big fuss of it.

That's morally despicable.
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Princess Anri
03/29/12 2:03:00 PM
#82:


lol it's so easy to be dumb you guys look silly

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GuessMyUserName
03/29/12 2:04:00 PM
#83:


"god guys I'm just trolling"

"what I said is true though"


is this an andy alt

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VincentLauw
03/29/12 2:12:00 PM
#84:


Princess Anri posted...
lol it's so easy to be dumb you guys look silly

shut up arni you're so stupid *insert random meme here*

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metaIslugg
03/29/12 2:17:00 PM
#85:


Wow, the fact that the mom ignored her own child's plea for help I feel is somehow even more disgusting. That just brings the feeling of powerlessness she had to be feeling to a whole other level. Being a small child thinking you can't even trust your parents with your safety... Depending on how far the guy went, I don't think I could handle that. I hope there's at least someone in her family who's more caring and competent than this woman.

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Princess Anri
03/29/12 2:18:00 PM
#86:


From: VincentLauw | #084
Princess Anri posted...
lol it's so easy to be dumb you guys look silly

shut up arni you're so stupid *insert random meme here*


stop bullying me this is just as bad as sexual abuse

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/29/12 2:27:00 PM
#87:


"god guys I'm just trolling"

"what I said is true though"


is this an andy alt


Or is he a me alt? DUN DUN

Ps if your opinions are shocking enough to the audience at hand, it's very much possible to be trolling without it being intentional! It's especially prone to happen when your audience is dumb...
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Dark Young Link
03/29/12 2:28:00 PM
#88:


Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...
Honorabrr misshun comprete! Thuread deraired successfurry!

:D

You guys are so easy to troll I don't even have to try anymore. In fact, I wasn't trying!

What I said is true though as others have pointed out. If this guy beat her up without doing anything sexual, even if she got badly hurt, nobody would make a big fuss of it.

That's morally despicable.


I...

I'm sorry but who said that? I know I sure as hell would never say that, so I'm guessing someone else said that or had a reason to feel that way.

Unless you're trying to say... American's laxness to violence = ok with physical child abuse
Because I KNOW that's not true.

(Also trolling GameFAQs is like beating You Have to Burn the Rope)

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/29/12 6:10:00 PM
#89:


I'm sorry but who said that?

Nobody. Which just goes to prove my point. Someone beating up a kid isn't even news material, and when it is, you don't see people going KILL HIM AND LET HIM BURN IN HELL FOREVAAAAA

Anyway I wasn't trying to imply that molesting someone is excusable or anything. Just airing some opinions on the extreme bias of people's moral compasses.
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Jeff Zero
03/29/12 6:31:00 PM
#90:


From: Sir Cobain | #004
touching is bad



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Dark Young Link
03/29/12 7:19:00 PM
#91:


Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...
I'm sorry but who said that?

Nobody. Which just goes to prove my point. Someone beating up a kid isn't even news material, and when it is, you don't see people going KILL HIM AND LET HIM BURN IN HELL FOREVAAAAA

Anyway I wasn't trying to imply that molesting someone is excusable or anything. Just airing some opinions on the extreme bias of people's moral compasses.


I can't speak for other people, but any child abuse makes me want the person responsible to pay with blood. Yes violence begets violence and all that, but hurting children is something I have no tolerance for. That said, was physical violence involved in all of this? It's no good to bring up off topic situations I feel.

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ZX_Lucian
03/30/12 9:52:00 PM
#92:


MegaWentEvil posted...
Shut up, Lucian.

AW SNAP

HE WENT THERE

foolm0ron posted...
From: MegaWentEvil | #073
Shut up, Lucian.
Best MWE post ever


Let's see.

1. It's not biased.
2. It's not autism related.
3. It's actually understandable.

BEST MWE POST CONFIRMED

VincentLauw posted...
ZX_Lucian posted...
Princess Anri posted...
From: ZX_Lucian | #031
Ok Princess Anri, I'm a douche.
Yeah, we get it.

Hopy s*** she changed my post!

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and if you aren't new I don't know you, you're still the worst. Well besides takfloyd now I guess


I'm relatively unknown. I'm not surprised you don't know me.

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