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nintendogirl1
03/29/12 10:46:00 PM
#51:


Agreed. Those people are very annoying. Also the sig should have massively tipped you off on that one.

Also I'm sorry. That was truly mean.



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HanOfTheNekos
03/29/12 10:50:00 PM
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Panthera
03/29/12 10:52:00 PM
#53:


From: nintendogirl1 | #051
Agreed. Those people are very annoying. Also the sig should have massively tipped you off on that one.

Also I'm sorry. That was truly mean.


I am going to suffer music-induced PTSD by the end of this topic.

Welcome to stuff I dislike about power metal 101, I'd tell you to enjoy your stay but if you're like me you won't, so...sucks to be you? Who is "you" anyway in this situation? I think I'm breaking some grammatical conventions here somewhere.

Yeah the quality of these write ups is plummeting, I think I might need to cut myself off for tonight.

Oh yeah. It's slightly better than the last one.

1.5/10

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/29/12 11:04:00 PM
#54:


Hammerfall - The Dragon Lies Bleeding


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Panthera
03/30/12 11:04:00 AM
#55:


From: HanOfTheNekos | #052


I have never, ever understood the appeal of Stairway to Heaven. It meanders along for way longer than it needed to and it's not even anything special, further compounded by the fact that Robert Plant's voice annoys me, and much of the first half consists of just him whining over some mundane "pretty" music. It's not good enough to justify the amount of time it takes to get to any real developments in the song. It gets a bit better once the pace picks up, simply because Plant isn't as dominant in the mix. Guitar solo is decent, and then we're into the good part of the song because Plant is alright with this more energetic style of singing, it's only softer sections where he really gets on my nerves. Ironically for a song where my main complaint is that it goes on too long, the best part of the song feels over way too fast. So in conclusion, it's okay, with a decent climax that would have been a lot better had the build up not been dull.

5.5/10

From: Psycho_Kenshin | #054
Hammerfall - The Dragon Lies Bleeding


I should copy/paste a single write up for power metal songs, it will probably be applicable to most of them.

At least this one avoids the excessive abuse of high pitch vocals and feels like it really is trying to be kind of goofy cheerful, instead of ending up there despite trying to be something else. Or maybe they were trying to be epic and just failed at it so hard that they actually ended up better than had they been slightly more successful and fallen into the pseudo-epic range. I don't know. I do know that I don't like this much but it doesn't really infuriate me.

3.5/10

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neonreaper
03/30/12 11:24:00 AM
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Psycho_Kenshin
03/30/12 11:30:00 AM
#57:


W.A.S.P. - Mean Man


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VeryInsane
03/30/12 11:32:00 AM
#58:




Was going to do another song by them but then you'd yell at me for how long it is.

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03/30/12 11:42:00 AM
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Panthera
03/30/12 11:46:00 AM
#60:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #057
W.A.S.P. - Mean Man


This is going to be one of those songs I don't have a lot to say about, beyond "I like it".

7/10

From: VeryInsane | #058


Was going to do another song by them but then you'd yell at me for how long it is.


Which song were you going to pick? Chances are I would not have yelled at you, especially if it were Saturnine. I love Electric Wizard, and while Barbarian isn't one of my favourite of their songs, it's still quite good. Heavy and muddy as hell, although it's not as crushing as Funeralopolis (and lacks the killer opening riff of that song) and the Dopethrone album in general lacks the atmosphere that makes me love Witchcult Today the most out of all their work. Hey look, I'm doing that "say a bunch of negative stuff about something I really like" thing again. Make no mistake I like this song.

7.5/10

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Panthera
03/30/12 3:13:00 PM
#61:


From: HanOfTheNekos | #059


You have some talent for posting right when I'm doing other songs so that I don't see yours or don't have time/desire to do it until way later.

Another "not much to say" song really. My feelings on Motley Crue can basically be summed as "dumb fun" - they're nothing special or anything I'd go out of my way to listen to, but they're rarely going to make me want to slap whoever made me listen to them. Good enough for me.

6.5/10

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Panthera
03/30/12 4:21:00 PM
#62:


Bump

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/30/12 4:26:00 PM
#63:


Chastain - Angel of Mercy


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Panthera
03/30/12 4:35:00 PM
#64:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #063
Chastain - Angel of Mercy


Not too shabby, got a little over the top in the middle but otherwise I liked it.

6/10

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tyder21
03/30/12 5:11:00 PM
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rammtay
03/30/12 5:15:00 PM
#66:


Luca Turilli - Demonheart


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VeryInsane
03/30/12 5:17:00 PM
#67:


Funeralopolis

That was what I was going to nominate.

Let's go back to black... METAL



I actually never listen to him so much... maybe I should?

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Panthera
03/30/12 5:25:00 PM
#68:


From: tyder21 | #065


*sees Rhapsody of Fire*

This may not end well!

Yeah this is the whole pseudo-epic thing. Cheesy as hell (and not in a good way), it's basically just incredibly bland riffs with ill-fitting extra elements thrown in. And awful choir style backing vocals that make me feel like I'm watching a really bad cartoon and just got to the "we'll beat you with the power of friendship!" part. Kill it (with Fire).

2/10

From: rammtay | #066
Luca Turilli - Demonheart


This also may not end well!

My last write up applies pretty well here, more credibility to my theory of the Universal Power Metal Review! Bit more of the excess this time around. This kind of thing just feels so silly to me. It's like a little kid who thinks that the best way to make something awesome isn't to make it good, but just to take a bunch of things and throw them together until you've got roast beef, tomato sauce, spaghetti, pork, mashed potatoes, milk, ketchup and scrambled eggs all in your sandwich and you realize that even if you might like some of the pieces, the end product is downright disgusting.

1.5/10

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Panthera
03/30/12 5:31:00 PM
#69:


From: VeryInsane | #067
Funeralopolis

That was what I was going to nominate.

Let's go back to black... METAL



I actually never listen to him so much... maybe I should?


If you'd picked Funeralopolis I think that would have been the highest scoring song of the topic.

Yay Bathory, good way to clean my ears after the power metal flood. Although I don't care for latter era Bathory as much as I do earlier - the black metal stuff was good and then Hammerheart did the slightly blackened traditional metal ("Viking") sound as well as it was going to get. Still good, just don't expect me to gush like I would for A Fine Day to Die or Shores in Flames. This song is a tad excessive with the folky elements but it's not too severe, overall it does a much better job of being "epic" simply by having some restraint than all those other songs that just throw fifty million extra instruments and a dozen backing vocalists at you from the get go. Proving once and for all, the best way to make a good song isn't to go nuts, it's to take a simple idea and just write it well, and only add more complexity if you're sure it's needed.

7/10

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Holoogamooga_
03/30/12 5:40:00 PM
#70:


I was going to go with Suspyre's "Manipulation in Time" but couldn't find a link, so...

Guilt Machine - "Perfection?"


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Panthera
03/30/12 6:01:00 PM
#71:


From: Holoogamooga_ | #070
I was going to go with Suspyre's "Manipulation in Time" but couldn't find a link, so...

Guilt Machine - "Perfection?"


Hmm, I see text in that album art above the band name...oh boy I'm getting myself into something ridiculous with a slight chance of having one or two really good moments, aren't I?

Wow I have been listening to this for two and a half minutes and I can barely remember anything, it's just kind of...there. The vocals are getting a bit whiny I guess but not too bad, I can tolerate it. You know that was a lot of build up to an interlude that didn't really feel natural. Oh, it's not an interlude I guess, it's still going on. I should not be surprised to see an Arjen Lucassen project feature multiple styles being glued together like some disturbing Frankenstein's monster. If this guy had an editor to force him to stick to one general idea per song (and ideally limit himself to a total of 5 minutes of keyboard usage per album) he'd probably produce some pretty good music, he knows how to build things up and he's definitely got a gift for getting talented singers to lend him their voices, it's just that he usually uses those gifts poorly, like a master painter who refuses to use colours other than a weird, putrid shade of greenish yellow.

001100110010111000110101001011110011000100110000 (AKA 3.5/10 according to a random online binary translator thing whose validity I won't pretend to know)

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tyder21
03/30/12 6:04:00 PM
#72:


3.5 in binary is 11.1

The answer the translator spit out is pretty hilarious though.

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Panthera
03/30/12 6:07:00 PM
#73:


Yeah I think I prefer that since my original plan was just to mash on the 0 and 1 keys randomly for a few seconds

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Holoogamooga_
03/30/12 6:24:00 PM
#74:


Ha, I can see what you mean with Arjen Lucassen. I heard Guilt Machine before the rest of his work (mainly Ayreon) and eventually realized it all kind of sounds the same. I still like a song here and there, though.

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Panthera
03/30/12 6:37:00 PM
#75:


Yeah he has some moments here and there where he gets things right but you really could edit his entire god knows how many song discography down into one single albums worth of material and have it be both good and not missing anything.

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Panthera
03/30/12 8:45:00 PM
#76:


Le bump

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/30/12 8:48:00 PM
#77:


Powerwolf - Saturday Satan


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Panthera
03/30/12 8:59:00 PM
#78:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #077
Powerwolf - Saturday Satan


Yucky intro. Yucky...everything actually <_< Okay okay it's not too bad, compared to some of the atrocious cheese I've been given in this topic it's pretty down to Earth! The chorus is kind of annoying, especially the shouting part. Basically this is just kind of bland power metal like anything else, but not as obnoxious as a lot of it.

4/10

I'm begging for someone to post some good old school death metal or something, I'm going crazy here!

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/30/12 9:05:00 PM
#79:


Ha hey metal beggars can't be choosers, you'll take some radio friendly licks and like it. By the end of this topic you'll love cheese so much you'll order lasagna.

Charon - Little Angel


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Panthera
03/30/12 9:10:00 PM
#80:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #079
Ha hey metal beggars can't be choosers, you'll take some radio friendly licks and like it. By the end of this topic you'll love cheese so much you'll order lasagna.

Charon - Little Angel


I already love lasagna and lots of cheese in my pasta!

Hey this isn't painfully cheesy, what was even the point of making me crave some pasta? I'm not sure how to express my feelings for this song really. It's alright. A bit melodramatic, but it's not annoying me. Music video is kind of weird from the fragments I watched, but I'm rarely fond of music videos anyway.

5/10

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/30/12 9:11:00 PM
#81:


I wasn't sure what your stance on gothness was, thought that might've tipped the cheese scales for ya. Personally I love cheese.


Sodom - Surfin' Bird


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Panthera
03/30/12 9:19:00 PM
#82:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #081
I wasn't sure what your stance on gothness was, thought that might've tipped the cheese scales for ya. Personally I love cheese.

Sodom - Surfin' Bird


Yeah uh. This is music. I'm not entirely sure I can properly rate it, what with the mixture between laughter and disgust it creates. Definitely amusing, if nothing else, although by no means the most absurd bird-related thing in the realm of metal.

Hatebeak/10

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/30/12 9:44:00 PM
#83:


Black Sabbath - Die Young


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03/30/12 9:51:00 PM
#84:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #083
Black Sabbath - Die Young


Not one of my favourite Dio-era Sabbath songs (that would be Heaven and Hell or Country Girl probably) but still a very good one. Unsurprisingly I'm going to take this as my chance to talk about Black Sabbath vocalists. Namely, that while Dio trumps Ozzy as a vocalist, Ozzy-era Sabbath overall is better than Dio-era Sabbath, and Ozzy's voice definitely works better for their earlier styles. So basically, Ozzy was perfect for the time he was in the band, even though in any other form of comparison Dio is better by miles (and is indeed one of my favourite vocalists of all time, and has my favourite vocal performance of all time on a song that would get a rather high rating if posted in this topic, to drop a probably not that subtle hint). Hmm, right, Die Young. It kicks ass.

8/10

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HanOfTheNekos
03/30/12 9:57:00 PM
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Panthera
03/30/12 10:08:00 PM
#86:


From: HanOfTheNekos | #085


666/10

Yeah you knew that was coming.

Good song, bit over hyped but not that much (as time goes on I've come to much prefer the first two albums over any of the Dickinson ones). Not the awesome live experience that Fear of the Dark is but still pretty fun to see. Definitely nothing to complain about here, it's a fun song with catchy riffs and even if I prefer the Di'anno era, I will never deny that Bruce is a great traditional metal vocalist despite being less "unique" than his predecessor (shame that he butchers the old stuff live though, Maiden vocalists not working well for each others material is pretty set in stone).

7.5/10

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Panthera
03/30/12 11:08:00 PM
#87:


Bump for the night

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Giggsalot
03/31/12 2:00:00 AM
#88:


enough of this power metal nonsense



edit: oh right, someone else already did EW. something a little different, if you prefer:



(apologies about the length in both instances)

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03/31/12 5:17:00 PM
#89:


From: Giggsalot | #088
enough of this power metal nonsense



edit: oh right, someone else already did EW. something a little different, if you prefer:



(apologies about the length in both instances)


Weee Electric Wizard. As it's the repeat I'll be brief and say I think Come My Fanatics is slightly overrated and as such Return Trip...is still great.

8/10

Deathspell Omega time. Not a band I care for all that much. I tend to prefer black metal to be fairly minimalistic, and they tend towards the crazy, over the top side of things. So this is a bit too scattered and unfocused for my liking, and the transitions between sections are a bit clunky. That said, most of the individual parts are fairly strong on their own, and there is a fairly good sense of atmosphere (although for this kind of atmosphere I'd actually turn to death metal band Ulcerate; Everything is Fire and The Destroyers of All capture a fairly similar feeling and do it better). Last half of the song is pretty solid even if it goes on a bit too long. Not a bad song overall.

7/10

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/31/12 5:45:00 PM
#90:


Blackstar Rising - Smile


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03/31/12 6:51:00 PM
#91:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #090


Huh, ex-members of Carcass and a Cathedral ex-member? Kind of cool combo there.

Eh, I'm not sure about this. The vocals probably could have been less gruff and it would have worked well. Other than that I don't really have any specific problems with it, it definitely does feel like the rock/metal hybrid style that Cathedral spent some time playing (which did not produce anything as good as the classic Forest of Equilibrium, but is still solid). It gets a bit too stop-start at times but overall I like it.

6/10

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Panthera
03/31/12 8:31:00 PM
#92:


Bump

NP: Music that I won't identify because it would make it less surprising than if someone posted them and saw my reaction was more positive than expected.

What a pointless Now Playing...

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/31/12 8:34:00 PM
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Onmyouza - Kouga Ninpouchou


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03/31/12 8:42:00 PM
#94:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #093
Onmyouza - Kouga Ninpouchou


Listening to this makes me feel like I'm watching the intro to a really terrible anime. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's probably good that I can't understand the language, I can't think of a time a song like this didn't have lyrics that would make me cringe <_< I don't actually have all that much bile to spew about this; it's not too over the top with needless crap, it's not the cheesiest thing in the world, singer has a fairly nice voice (although it's another of those "would probably be better in a different genre" ones), the worst problem is just that it feels kind of thrown together; it's like someone took a pop song, then added some random metal-influenced guitar work in a few places and called it a day.

3/10

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/31/12 8:46:00 PM
#95:


Just gotta say I disagree with all that, and a lot of what you say kinda seems like you have a very narrow idea of what metal should be.

Loudness - Crazy Nights


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03/31/12 9:03:00 PM
#96:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #095
Just gotta say I disagree with all that, and a lot of what you say kinda seems like you have a very narrow idea of what metal should be.

Loudness - Crazy Nights


You'll have to define how anything I've said indicates a narrow idea of what metal should be, especially given that we've spent nearly this entire topic with almost no significant variety being recommended; there's been a few Electric Wizard songs, a couple of black metal songs, and one death/doom song that was pretty goth rock-y, and then a ton of power metal (most of it the Helloween/Blind Guardian/Hammerfall/etc style) and some traditional, NWOBHMish stuff. We've been dodging the majority of black metal styles, all death metal, most doom metal, some strands of power metal, thrash has been mostly overlooked, and so on.

I think you're confusing the fact that I just plain don't care for a lot of trends in specific styles that happen to be extremely popular (well, relative to most of the genre) for hating everything that doesn't conform to a given standard, even though there's been very little opportunity for you to see what I do actually like (and the stuff that I have really liked has been what, Electric Wizard and Windir? Not exactly hugely similar). Plus, this isn't a "rate this song in terms of how metal is" topic or anything; I'm rating songs based on how much I enjoy them. My commentary on how "metal should be" have all been identifying things that I think don't work very well in metal because the usage of them contributes to my enjoyment.

In short, I don't see how disliking specific elements in specific styles that I don't like somehow indicates any narrow mindedness, unless you think that everyone is narrow minded unless they enjoy everything.

Oh yeah. The song. It was...okay? Was zoning out pretty heavily while focusing on typing this post. I think I enjoyed it a bit.

4/10

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/31/12 9:22:00 PM
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Well, for one thing you said the singer would be better off in a different genre. That says a lot, and well you dislike power metal, symphonic elements, various stuff you describe as unnecessary and whatnot, gives the vibe that there's a lot you don't like mixed with this particular, well, narrow zone that is your metal hotspot.

Just sayin', somebody's gotta comment on the comments. =P

And I didn't say you're narrowminded, just that you seem to have a fairly particular or narrow view of what metal should be. Considering the ratings in the topic are on the negative side, I mean that doesn't seem like a far fetched claim.

And speaking of, for your rating system how would a song you enjoyed get a 4/10?

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Panthera
03/31/12 9:29:00 PM
#98:


From: Psycho_Kenshin | #097
Well, for one thing you said the singer would be better off in a different genre. That says a lot, and well you dislike power metal, symphonic elements, various stuff you describe as unnecessary and whatnot, gives the vibe that there's a lot you don't like mixed with this particular, well, narrow zone that is your metal hotspot.

Just sayin', somebody's gotta comment on the comments. =P


There's been very little I've said I dislike on general principle, most of it is stuff I don't like when mixed with other stuff. Like the singer on that song, who I don't have a problem with but feel like her voice doesn't work well in metal (although granted that song's metal influences were mostly away from when she was singing anyway).

I don't dislike power metal - I dislike most of a certain strand of it. I even like Blind Guardian and some Symphony X and Kamelot, despite two of those three being in the style I'm not fond of. I don't dislike symphonic elements as a rule either, I dislike them when they're over done and override everything else, or feel like they were just added on without thought for how it would work with the rest of the song (I like some Emperor and Rotting Christ, who use those things but don't go nuts with them). Most of what I say is unnecessary isn't even bad stuff inherently, it's just that bands like to throw a million things at you at once with zero build up so the end result has no contrast or progression and has no atmosphere because it's always just cramming so much into your ears. I talked about this with the Bathory song I got rec'd, I believe.

And again, what "metal hotspot" are you talking about? You haven't had a chance to really see how I handle these things mixed with my actual major preferences in metal, nor those preferences themselves - my favourite sub-genre is death metal and it's been 99.98% absent from this topic. We've not touched on my actual "hotspot" at all.

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03/31/12 9:34:00 PM
#99:


Damn you editing!

From: Psycho_Kenshin | #097
And I didn't say you're narrowminded, just that you seem to have a fairly particular or narrow view of what metal should be. Considering the ratings in the topic are on the negative side, I mean that doesn't seem like a far fetched claim.


It's not any narrower than what I've been suggested - again, you're mixing up "doesn't like a lot of stuff" with "doesn't like the mostly very similar stuff he's been talking about". We've been almost entirely focused on one genre (European style power metal) and things that are very similar to it (the style of melodic death metal that is basically "power metal with harsh vocals" and so on).

And speaking of, for your rating system how would a song you enjoyed get a 4/10?


Because 5 is average. 4 is below average but still enjoyable. 3.5 is something I don't mind TOO much depending on mood (I'll admit that things in the 2-4 range tend to vary heavily based on my current mood, those ratings aren't as well codified in my mind as the rest of the scale). 3 is basically "I don't like it but it doesn't piss me off" and below that is where things are really ass. For reference, there is *one* song that I know I wouldn't hesitate to give a 10/10 (and it's irrelevant for this topic because it's not metal). There are two metal songs (and one non-metal song from a metal band) that I would probably give a 10/10 but might give 9.5/10. This is not one of those "I liked it a little, 10/10" topics, I've got ten numbers, I'll use 'em all!

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Psycho_Kenshin
03/31/12 9:47:00 PM
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About how I'd know your taste and whatnot, I mean this isn't the first time we've interacted on the subject of metal over the years. I'm not hating on your taste in particular, it's just kind of a pet peeve of mine, you might remember or maybe not I can't stand the metal board on here. They're mostly elitists who hate on anything that isn't "cool" or is too melodic or too this or that. And I get that kinda vibe a bit from your metal posting, aside from some areas where our taste overlap like say 80s style heavy metal and thrash.

But, anyways I mean you crap on everybody's favorite stuff they're posting, isn't it okay to turn the microscope around a little bit once in a while? =P It's all good.

But yeah, one thing for example is just how you're talking about this song from Onmyouza, a freakin' metal band. You describing their song like its a pop song that just has some "metal influences", well that is pretty much what directly lead to this thread of the conversation, it seems some metal you don't even consider metal. You know metal can have soft parts and hard parts right? There's nothing about that song that isn't heavy metal songwriting.

And personally well I'd rank things a bit differently, since average is well average, which with all the entertainment that's available could almost be called boring. You could say you're enjoying some stuff that's average, but going a full point below average to 4/10 and we're talking about a negative experience, even if only mildly negative, I'd say.

And just to throw another mini debate in there, if power metal and melodic death metal are the same thing with different vocals, then why is there not one melodic death metal song ending with the same chorus and hook played one octave higher to give us an uplifting feeling? =P Bodom doesn't count since they're part power metal. Really, those two genres are very different, but I guess you just throw them out in the same melodic bathwater.

But hey, I know we don't see eye to eye on most metal, but metal is in all our blood that's a fact.

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