Board 8 > Rate the Game: Kingdom Hearts II (rule change)

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KCF0107
03/30/12 6:50:00 AM
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Rules:
- Rate from 0.1 to 10 (two decimal places are fine, more than that and I'll round for you). I'd prefer if 5 were an average rather than 7.
- You may vote for any games you want that have been rated before at any time. You may also change your vote at any time.
- No alts, no joke voting, no “purposeful downvoting” - you all know this.
- Please only vote if you've played enough of the game to be able to rate it.
- You may nominate as many games as you want on any given day. Multiple noms of the same game aren't necessary.
Spreadsheet with prior games/ratings:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ap-Cxjhwem1PdFR5Wk1NUkhDX3NmM3NIU1hVaFFZY2c&hl=en_US#gid=0

Previous Game's Performance:
129. Super Mario Kart (7.117 / 26 votes)
130. Final Fight (7.025 / 12 votes)
131. BioShock 2 (7.013 / 15 votes)
132. Halo 2 (6.952 / 38 votes)
133. Super Paper Mario (6.895 / 20 votes)

Top 10:
1. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (9.368 / 45 votes)
2. StarCraft (9.301 / 45 votes)
3. Grim Fandango (9.278 / 19 votes)
4. Assassin’s Creed II (9.226 / 30 votes)
5. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem (9.203 / 31 votes)
6. Okami (9.192 / 39 votes)
7. Metal Gear Solid (9.128 / 49 votes)
8. Super Metroid (9.112 / 57 votes)
9. Valkyria Chronicles (9.080 / 20 votes)
10. Civilization IV (9.051 / 31 votes)

Bottom 10:
179. Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) (2.657 / 19 votes)
180. Elf Bowling (2.590 / 11 votes)
181. Shaq Fu (2.134 / 23 votes)
182. FarmVille (2.128 / 49 votes)
183. Lunar: Dragon Song (1.700 / 6 votes)
184. Custer’s Revenge (1.660 / 10 votes)
185. Wii Music (1.500 / 10 votes)
186. Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (0.770 / 17 votes)
187. Superman 64 (0.742 / 26 votes)
188. E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial (0.311 / 9 votes)

BioShock 2 has another sequel to a popular FPS next to it for the time being

Today's game is the first game in the series to be developed by Square Enix (original was Squaresoft before people call me out on that)

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KCF0107
03/30/12 6:50:00 AM
#2:


As for the rule change, I am getting some opinions from people as to whether or not I should just bump up all current "0s" to "0.1" or if I should remove all "0s" and then the burden would fall on to the raters to submit a new score. I personally like the second one even though it would screw up with the vote totals for lower ranking games. Feel free to chime in your opinions.

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neonreaper
03/30/12 7:08:00 AM
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3.5

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GenesisSaga
03/30/12 7:08:00 AM
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6

Mild Spoilers in Message Detail

Though I don't know what you'd be doing itt if you haven't played the game

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pjbasis
03/30/12 7:29:00 AM
#5:


Jesse McCartney was totally fine as Roxas.

And the game being too easy was kind of linked to making the gameplay bad.
Not to mention it started the whole "straight lines and wide circles" design for worlds.

KH1 was so full of secrets and goodies for those that dared to explore.
Platforming could be a b**** at times but that was the only downside.

Anyways, 6/10

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catastrophy15
03/30/12 7:53:00 AM
#7:


8/10
The first game was better even if the controls weren't done as well as the second.

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Takfloyd_mkII__
03/30/12 8:09:00 AM
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Kingdom Hearts II: 7/10
Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix: 10/10

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Tornadoman78
03/30/12 8:10:00 AM
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8

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pjbasis
03/30/12 8:20:00 AM
#10:


Imma throw 10s to the following games too

Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Final Fantasy VII
Chrono Cross

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Kotetsu534
03/30/12 8:25:00 AM
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7.5

Not as good as the original.

Would like to play Final Mix... if Square ever decide to localise it.

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BrettEagles
03/30/12 8:27:00 AM
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9.5/10

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foolm0ron
03/30/12 8:35:00 AM
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8.5/10

I would rate the game lower, but then I remembered Twilight Town music

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03/30/12 8:43:00 AM
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6.5

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SuperAngelo128
03/30/12 8:48:00 AM
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8.5

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evilevi13
03/30/12 9:56:00 AM
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9/10

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mnkboy907
03/30/12 10:09:00 AM
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8/10

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barreldragon88
03/30/12 10:12:00 AM
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9/10

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KCF0107
03/30/12 11:58:00 AM
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paulg235
03/30/12 12:00:00 PM
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8

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Emporer_Kazbar
03/30/12 12:03:00 PM
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7

From: KCF0107 | #002
As for the rule change, I am getting some opinions from people as to whether or not I should just bump up all current "0s" to "0.1" or if I should remove all "0s" and then the burden would fall on to the raters to submit a new score. I personally like the second one even though it would screw up with the vote totals for lower ranking games. Feel free to chime in your opinions.


Please oh please the first one. It should be obvious that by voting zero people wanted to give the game the lowest score possible, so by changing the zeros to 0.1's you allow that to remain true. Nobody who gave a game a zero is going to give it any higher than a 0.1 anyway in a revote.

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bryans7
03/30/12 12:12:00 PM
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4

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Ytterbium_70
03/30/12 12:59:00 PM
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8.6/10.Has good music, decent graphics, and I honestly think the story wasn't that bad either.

Nominating: Kirby Super Star (SNES) and Age of Empires 2 (PC)

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swordz9
03/30/12 1:01:00 PM
#24:


9.5

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KCF0107
03/30/12 1:08:00 PM
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From: Emporer_Kazbar | #051
Nobody who gave a game a zero is going to give it any higher than a 0.1 anyway in a revote.


In that situation, I wouldn't be telling people, "Hey, User X, I removed your votes for Super Mario Bros. and Portal. You must re-submit your scores to me." People would have to look at the doc, remember that they voted for a game, and then submit the 0.1.

However, I am thinking that it would be more likely that people would see that they do not have a rating for a game that they have played and then rate it fairly.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that any rating that is less than one was actually a fair rating. Increasing the minimum rating to "0.1" is likely not going to stay. It will probably rise to "1.0"

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Evillordexdeath
03/30/12 1:20:00 PM
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3

Bad gameplay and story.

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gotspork
03/30/12 1:42:00 PM
#27:


or if I should remove all "0s" and then the burden would fall on to the raters to submit a new score

throwing out all the low votes would render the averages meaningless

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neonreaper
03/30/12 1:46:00 PM
#28:


I'd just keep the votes and let people do whatever they want, maybe ask people to specifically explain why they drop a 0 on a game with a decent average or why they drop a 10 on Custer's before including the score.

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Lopen
03/30/12 1:49:00 PM
#29:


Uh, what. Let people do what they want. People drop 10s on games when it isn't warranted all the time. I don't know why you're starting a crusade against low scores in a topic where the average score for a game is already well above 7, despite the rules saying "I'd prefer if 5 were an average rather than 7."

Just leave 0s as they are.

8.5 for KH2

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Ytterbium_70
03/30/12 2:13:00 PM
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Just leave 0s as they are.

Agreed; Custer's Revenge deserves its zero from me. Heck, I could give 2 other games zeroes as well.

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Emporer_Kazbar
03/30/12 2:14:00 PM
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From: KCF0107 | #025
To be perfectly honest, I don't think that any rating that is less than one was actually a fair rating.


Games like Big Rigs, ET and Superman 64 DEFINITELY deserve ratings less than one.

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gitanil
03/30/12 2:40:00 PM
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9.5/10

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RevolverSaro
03/30/12 2:43:00 PM
#33:


8.5/10

I hated the first one, liked the 2nd one quite a bit.

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KokoroAkechi
03/30/12 2:52:00 PM
#34:


8/10

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Menji76
03/30/12 2:54:00 PM
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9.5

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KCF0107
03/30/12 9:15:00 PM
#36:


I'll keep what everyone has said in this topic and outside in mind and make my decision soon.

As for the game, I'll give it a 3.3

The original was an above-average game that had some potential but had too much holding it back. The sequel failed to capitalize on that potential, failed to work on the original's problems (in many cases they ended up being worse), and they introduced new problems.

It was simply a mess with some, but not many, bright spots.

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rammtay
03/30/12 9:25:00 PM
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7

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KCF0107
03/31/12 5:53:00 AM
#38:


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DeathChicken
03/31/12 5:55:00 AM
#39:


9

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WhiteLens
03/31/12 5:55:00 AM
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9.5

If only Final Mix+ came out.

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KCF0107
03/31/12 2:49:00 PM
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up

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tazzyboyishere
03/31/12 2:51:00 PM
#42:


9.5

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KCF0107
03/31/12 4:43:00 PM
#43:


I have decided to just bump all "0" ratings to "0.1" and that will be all. I don't know when I will actually get around to doing that, but it will happen

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YoboD
03/31/12 4:48:00 PM
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5

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KCF0107
03/31/12 10:43:00 PM
#45:


up

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TomNook7
03/31/12 10:53:00 PM
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Um. Why is it 0.1 now? That make absolutely no sense unless you change the maximum rating to 10.1. Keep that **** zero.

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TomNook7
03/31/12 10:55:00 PM
#47:


Also, 7 for KH2

7.1 if we're sticking with these new rules

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HeroicSomaCruz
03/31/12 10:58:00 PM
#48:


7/10

+Outstanding soundtrack
+Great combat
+Lush visuals
+Plenty of good combat

-Little to no replay value; do you really want to endure the intro again?
-Some really cheap boss battles (Xaldin, Xigbar)

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KCF0107
03/31/12 11:05:00 PM
#49:


From: TomNook7 | #106
Um. Why is it 0.1 now? That make absolutely no sense unless you change the maximum rating to 10.1. Keep that **** zero.


For a myriad of reasons that people have brought up with me over time, and I agree on several accounts.

Actually, changing the maximum to 10.1 makes no sense. For 5.0 to be the absolute average, the scale has to be 0.1 - 10.0. Under the previous rating system, a 4.9 was the absolute average and under your suggested system, the absolute average would be 5.1

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KCF0107
04/01/12 7:19:00 AM
#50:


final bump

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