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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 4:53:00 PM #1: |
Music: Symphonia>Graces>Abyss>Vesperia
Main Characters: Yuri>>Asbel>Lloyd>Luke Story: Symphonia>Graces>Vesperia>Abyss (by far the weakest category) Cast: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss Gameplay: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss Overall: Graces>Symphonia>Vesperia>Abyss Symphonia is really only over Vesperia due to nostalgia, but whatever. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 4:58:00 PM #2: |
Almost done in the Future arc or just the main
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 4:58:00 PM #3: |
Main. Unless the Future arc is an abomination I don't think anything will change.
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:02:00 PM #4: |
how would you rank the cast
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swordz9 04/01/12 5:03:00 PM #5: |
Looks like you really like Graces. I'm somewhat close to being done with it, but still a decent amount away I think. I'll rank the stuff excluding music because I don't really remember a lot of tracks from any of them.
Main Characters: Yuri>>>>> Luke >> Lloyd > Asbel Story: Vesperia > Abyss > Symphonia > Graces Cast: Vesperia > Abyss > Symphonia> Graces Gameplay: Graces > Vesperia> Abyss > Symphonia Overall: Vesperia > Abyss > Symphonia >= Graces I feel bad having Graces so low since the gameplay is amazing, but the plot is too whatever for me and though I like the cast I don't really like many of them a LOT. -- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 04/01/12 5:04:00 PM #6: |
I'm still waiting for a deal on Graces to pick it up. Definitely gonna get around to it eventually though.
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:05:00 PM #7: |
anyway if I wanted to do my own based on these 4 (could do the others but others wouldnt be familiar and too much effort)
Music: most everything is passable enough in all 4 Main Characters: Luke > Yuri = Lloyd >> Asbel Story: Symphonia> Abyss > Graces = Vesperia Cast: Abyss > Graces > Symphonia> Vesperia Gameplay: Graces>> Abyss > Vesperia>Symphonia Overall: Abyss > Graces = Symphonia > Vesperia -- http://www.backloggery.com/superangelo128 http://myanimelist.net/profile/superangelo128 http://vndb.org/u6633/votes http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7524301 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:05:00 PM #8: |
Can't really rank the Graces cast. They work best as a group.
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HeroDelTiempo17 04/01/12 5:08:00 PM #9: |
From: KamikazePotato | #001 Okay, I can deal with not liking Abyss's plot and characters, even though I very much disagree, but worse than Symphonia in gameplay? How? Abyss's battle system was basically Symphonia's improved in every way. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:09:00 PM #10: |
Abyss' battle system felt slow and clunky. There's not really much I liked about Abyss at all, in general.
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WhiteLens 04/01/12 5:09:00 PM #11: |
I've only played like 12 hours of Graces, but I'd honestly put it over Symphonia overall already.
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:10:00 PM #12: |
Although that could be that I never used anyone but Luke, and apparently Guy is more fun, but yeah.
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Dark Silvergun 04/01/12 5:15:00 PM #13: |
Battle System: Xillia(PS3)>Vesperia(PS3)>Abyss(PS2)>Symphonia(GC)>Graces f(PS3)
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HeroDelTiempo17 04/01/12 5:15:00 PM #14: |
Luke is the slower character, yeah, but since I played fairly evenly between Lloyd and Kratos/Zelos in ToS I didn't notice or care for any difference in speed.
Guy's speed is comparable to Lloyd's, maybe even faster. I will say that there's a lot less variety in TotA than ToS. Abyss had Guy, Luke, and Anise/Natalia were if you hated yourself. Symphonia had more usable mains. I guess it just never really mattered to me as much. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:16:00 PM #15: |
I just always use the main character anyway. Considering how often they get forced into solo fights, might as well! And they usually have the most fun playstyle and 'feel right' considering the story.
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:21:00 PM #16: |
Do you mean the final dungeon in the main story or in the Future arc?
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:21:00 PM #17: |
From: Dark Silvergun | #013 Are you sure you didn't mix up your front and back end there? Xillia's combat seems to literally be dumbed down Graces combat with more limitations. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:22:00 PM #18: |
From: KamikazePotato | #017 Both, actually. But while the Future arc only does this for a lot of skits and a joke fight between Cheria and Pascal, the main dungeon activates over a dozen actual sidequests with some major rewards half way through it, and gives you no indication. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:22:00 PM #19: |
Huh.
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:23:00 PM #20: |
I didn't realize how much I didn't care for Vesperia's music until I put on the Vesperia costumes in Graces and suddenly everything sounded worse.
Music: Abyss>Graces>Symphonia>Vesperia Main Characters: Yuri>Luke> Asbel>Lloyd Story: Abyss>Vesperia>Symphonia>Graces (by far the weakest category) Characters: Vesperia>Symphonia>Graces>Abyss Group Dynamic: Graces>Vesperia>Abyss>Symphonia Sidequests*: Vesperia>Graces>Symphonia>Abyss Gameplay: Graces>Vesperia>Abyss>Symphonia Humor: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss Overall: Vesperia > Abyss = Graces > Symphonia *Graces had the best sidequests, but the way sidequests are handled in Graces are abysmal. A large majority of them don't unlock until HALFWAY THROUGH the final dungeon. Most people check everywhere for sidequests BEFORE the final dungeon. If you didn't know about this ahead of time, you'd miss pretty much all of them. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xiahou Shake 04/01/12 5:24:00 PM #21: |
If you beat the game and save you end up right before the final boss, so you're free to do the sidequests then. The extra dungeon actually doesn't unlock until you make a clear save.
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:24:00 PM #22: |
its more that they chose terrible songs for the Vesperia costumes
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:25:00 PM #23: |
Also, whoops, I forgot to change that "overall" ranking from what I copy and pasted.
From: KamikazePotato | #020 You know what, I don't know for sure. That was the impression I got, but I can't say because I did them all. I do know that if I hadn't known beforehand, I would have checked everything before the dungeon and never checked again. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:26:00 PM #24: |
By the way, how long is the future arc in general?
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:26:00 PM #25: |
From: SuperAngelo128 | #022 Was it just that one mediocre battle theme? I didn't get any Vesperia costumes until the very end of the game, so I don't know if the battle theme was what it was because of how far in I was, or because it just plays that one theme. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:27:00 PM #26: |
Characters (I guess ranking would be good to bad/meh character ratio: Abyss > Graces> Symphonia> Vesperia
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:28:00 PM #27: |
From: KamikazePotato | #024 15-20 hours casual playthrough 100% it (very easy to do, since it's mostly skits). If you want to grind out dualize items to make the dolls that let you transform any character into another at will (42 dolls total to get all of them for every character) it could take longer. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:28:00 PM #28: |
future arc is like 8-11 hours
From: tereziWright | #025 each costume has its own battle theme one is the regular boss theme, one is a WALL OF NOISE, forgot what the other was -- http://www.backloggery.com/superangelo128 http://myanimelist.net/profile/superangelo128 http://vndb.org/u6633/votes http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7524301 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:29:00 PM #29: |
Graces has some f***ing hilarious skits.
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:29:00 PM #30: |
Damn. This game is long.
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:29:00 PM #31: |
From: SuperAngelo128 | #028 Ugh, I guess Asbel's is the wall of noise, since that's the only one I ever heard. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:30:00 PM #32: |
From: tereziWright | #029 uh when was this -- http://www.backloggery.com/superangelo128 http://myanimelist.net/profile/superangelo128 http://vndb.org/u6633/votes http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/7524301 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:31:00 PM #33: |
From: KamikazePotato | #030 Running on 95 hours now, still need to do the EX dungeon, Rockgagong fight, Arena stuff, and transformed final boss. Passed my longest playtime of any game 15 hours ago. And it's not like I ever dilly dallied around, at worse I did some backtracking for sidequests I'd put off, but that added 2 hours at the most. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:33:00 PM #34: |
From: SuperAngelo128 | #032 Skit in front of some rubble in the Future arc, Eleth research center. Malik talking to Hubert about Pascal. "You want her to treat you roughly and bring you to a painful finish?" "I didn't say that!" -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 04/01/12 5:33:00 PM #35: |
I'm on 80 hours and not even at the future arc. If I had to guess I probably still have a few hours of plot left too, but I keep putting it off because pretty much everything else in the game is more interesting.
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:33:00 PM #36: |
Malik trolling Hubert is always great
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Xiahou Shake 04/01/12 5:34:00 PM #37: |
"Hey, I don't know, man, maybe she's into that!"
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SuperAngelo128 04/01/12 5:34:00 PM #38: |
"Oh you'll do it with me Asbel? Thanks!"
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WhiteLens 04/01/12 5:35:00 PM #39: |
Oh wait, something I can definitely get behind.
Gameplay: Graces > Vesperia > Abyss > Innocence > Symphonia That's the only thing I'd put Innocence ahead of something, it'd be dead last in about every other category. Innocence R could change that, but I don't see it happening....mainly because I doubt we'll even get it here. >_> -- Oh brilliant blade of cold as steel, rend the infinite darkness and crush my enemies to nothing... SAVAGE WOLF FURY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Silvergun 04/01/12 5:38:00 PM #40: |
tereziWright wrote:
Are you sure you didn't mix up your front and back end there? Sure didn't, in terms of battle system between those two games, Xillia(PS3)>Graces f(PS3). -- Warning, the self-destruct system has been activated, all personnel should evacuate immediately, 5 minutes to detonation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:38:00 PM #41: |
From: SuperAngelo128 | #038 Everytime Malik just makes some little noise at an unintentionally hilarious comment, like he's staring at you through the TV screen and is all "that's what she said", is hilarious. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:39:00 PM #42: |
No clue on Xillia but Graces' battle system is so good. Probably the best of any RPG I've played.
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Xiahou Shake 04/01/12 5:41:00 PM #43: |
From: Dark Silvergun | #040 Why are you putting (PS3) after them? >_> It's not like either of them are on any other consoles. -- Falcon Punch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tereziWright 04/01/12 5:43:00 PM #44: |
From: KamikazePotato | #042 From what I understand, Xillia essentially uses the same CC system as Graces...except it also had TP, so you still have to buy gels to heal TP, while using the move limitation of Graces, which defeats the entire purpose. I'm looking forward to Xillia, but the battle system is not the reason. -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Silvergun 04/01/12 5:44:00 PM #45: |
Xiahou Shake
Why are you putting (PS3) after them? Just because I wanted to, that's all. -- Warning, the self-destruct system has been activated, all personnel should evacuate immediately, 5 minutes to detonation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xiahou Shake 04/01/12 5:45:00 PM #46: |
Honestly, from all I've been hearing, Xillia seems pretty underwhelming compared to Graces. Only one Mystic Arte per character, wonky battle system, and apparently very few side quests and a pretty bad story (from what I've heard).
Graces is probably my new favorite Tales game, and I'll just be happy if the series gets back to having regular releases in the west, but still. >_> -- Falcon Punch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 04/01/12 5:48:00 PM #47: |
I'm not sure how I'd rank the characters in Graces just yet. Partly because I haven't finished and partly because it's tough to actually rank them. Skit/after battle/sidequest stuff is great for them, but almost everybody is average in terms of plot dialogue and in some cases their plot dialogue makes them less good.
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Dark Silvergun 04/01/12 5:53:00 PM #48: |
tereziWright wrote:
Xillia essentially uses the same CC system as Graces Not exactly, you don't use up your AC while using free run, while in Graces, free run wastes your CC. Also, every attack consumes 1 point of AC in Xillia, while CC usage varies based on the type of attack used in Graces. -- Warning, the self-destruct system has been activated, all personnel should evacuate immediately, 5 minutes to detonation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 04/01/12 5:54:00 PM #49: |
Not exactly, you don't use up your AC while using free run, while in Graces, free run wastes your CC.
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Articuno2001 04/01/12 6:08:00 PM #51: |
From: KamikazePotato | #049 why would you hate free run -- Congrats to 2011 Rivalry Rumble Guru winner, SuperNiceDog http://backloggery.com/articuno2001/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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