Board 8 > Almost done with Graces, Tales Series Ranking Topic time (no spoilers).

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 4:53:00 PM
#1:


Music: Symphonia>Graces>Abyss>Vesperia

Main Characters: Yuri>>Asbel>Lloyd>Luke

Story: Symphonia>Graces>Vesperia>Abyss (by far the weakest category)

Cast: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss

Gameplay: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss

Overall: Graces>Symphonia>Vesperia>Abyss


Symphonia is really only over Vesperia due to nostalgia, but whatever.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 4:58:00 PM
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Almost done in the Future arc or just the main

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 4:58:00 PM
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Main. Unless the Future arc is an abomination I don't think anything will change.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:02:00 PM
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how would you rank the cast

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swordz9
04/01/12 5:03:00 PM
#5:


Looks like you really like Graces. I'm somewhat close to being done with it, but still a decent amount away I think. I'll rank the stuff excluding music because I don't really remember a lot of tracks from any of them.

Main Characters: Yuri>>>>> Luke >> Lloyd > Asbel

Story: Vesperia > Abyss > Symphonia > Graces

Cast: Vesperia > Abyss > Symphonia> Graces

Gameplay: Graces > Vesperia> Abyss > Symphonia

Overall: Vesperia > Abyss > Symphonia >= Graces

I feel bad having Graces so low since the gameplay is amazing, but the plot is too whatever for me and though I like the cast I don't really like many of them a LOT.

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KJH
04/01/12 5:04:00 PM
#6:


I'm still waiting for a deal on Graces to pick it up. Definitely gonna get around to it eventually though.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:05:00 PM
#7:


anyway if I wanted to do my own based on these 4 (could do the others but others wouldnt be familiar and too much effort)

Music: most everything is passable enough in all 4

Main Characters: Luke > Yuri = Lloyd >> Asbel

Story: Symphonia> Abyss > Graces = Vesperia

Cast: Abyss > Graces > Symphonia> Vesperia

Gameplay: Graces>> Abyss > Vesperia>Symphonia

Overall: Abyss > Graces = Symphonia > Vesperia

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:05:00 PM
#8:


Can't really rank the Graces cast. They work best as a group.

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/01/12 5:08:00 PM
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From: KamikazePotato | #001
Gameplay: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss


Okay, I can deal with not liking Abyss's plot and characters, even though I very much disagree, but worse than Symphonia in gameplay? How? Abyss's battle system was basically Symphonia's improved in every way.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:09:00 PM
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Abyss' battle system felt slow and clunky. There's not really much I liked about Abyss at all, in general.

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WhiteLens
04/01/12 5:09:00 PM
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I've only played like 12 hours of Graces, but I'd honestly put it over Symphonia overall already.

I don't think I'd put it over Vesperia so far, so it's a matter of whether I like it more than Abyss.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:10:00 PM
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Although that could be that I never used anyone but Luke, and apparently Guy is more fun, but yeah.

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Dark Silvergun
04/01/12 5:15:00 PM
#13:


Battle System: Xillia(PS3)>Vesperia(PS3)>Abyss(PS2)>Symphonia(GC)>Graces f(PS3)

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/01/12 5:15:00 PM
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Luke is the slower character, yeah, but since I played fairly evenly between Lloyd and Kratos/Zelos in ToS I didn't notice or care for any difference in speed.

Guy's speed is comparable to Lloyd's, maybe even faster.

I will say that there's a lot less variety in TotA than ToS. Abyss had Guy, Luke, and Anise/Natalia were if you hated yourself. Symphonia had more usable mains. I guess it just never really mattered to me as much.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:16:00 PM
#15:


I just always use the main character anyway. Considering how often they get forced into solo fights, might as well! And they usually have the most fun playstyle and 'feel right' considering the story.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:21:00 PM
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Do you mean the final dungeon in the main story or in the Future arc?

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:21:00 PM
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From: Dark Silvergun | #013
Battle System: Xillia(PS3)>Vesperia(PS3)>Abyss(PS2)>Symphonia(GC)>Graces f(PS3)


Are you sure you didn't mix up your front and back end there?

Xillia's combat seems to literally be dumbed down Graces combat with more limitations.

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:22:00 PM
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From: KamikazePotato | #017
Do you mean the final dungeon in the main story or in the Future arc?


Both, actually. But while the Future arc only does this for a lot of skits and a joke fight between Cheria and Pascal, the main dungeon activates over a dozen actual sidequests with some major rewards half way through it, and gives you no indication.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:22:00 PM
#19:


Huh.

Do those sidequests disappear if I beat the dungeon?

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:23:00 PM
#20:


I didn't realize how much I didn't care for Vesperia's music until I put on the Vesperia costumes in Graces and suddenly everything sounded worse.

Music: Abyss>Graces>Symphonia>Vesperia

Main Characters: Yuri>Luke> Asbel>Lloyd

Story: Abyss>Vesperia>Symphonia>Graces (by far the weakest category)

Characters: Vesperia>Symphonia>Graces>Abyss

Group Dynamic: Graces>Vesperia>Abyss>Symphonia

Sidequests*: Vesperia>Graces>Symphonia>Abyss

Gameplay: Graces>Vesperia>Abyss>Symphonia

Humor: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss

Overall: Vesperia > Abyss = Graces > Symphonia

*Graces had the best sidequests, but the way sidequests are handled in Graces are abysmal. A large majority of them don't unlock until HALFWAY THROUGH the final dungeon. Most people check everywhere for sidequests BEFORE the final dungeon. If you didn't know about this ahead of time, you'd miss pretty much all of them.

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Xiahou Shake
04/01/12 5:24:00 PM
#21:


If you beat the game and save you end up right before the final boss, so you're free to do the sidequests then. The extra dungeon actually doesn't unlock until you make a clear save.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:24:00 PM
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its more that they chose terrible songs for the Vesperia costumes

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:25:00 PM
#23:


Also, whoops, I forgot to change that "overall" ranking from what I copy and pasted.

From: KamikazePotato | #020
Huh.

Do those sidequests disappear if I beat the dungeon?




You know what, I don't know for sure. That was the impression I got, but I can't say because I did them all.

I do know that if I hadn't known beforehand, I would have checked everything before the dungeon and never checked again.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:26:00 PM
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By the way, how long is the future arc in general?

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:26:00 PM
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From: SuperAngelo128 | #022
its more that they chose terrible songs for the Vesperia costumes


Was it just that one mediocre battle theme? I didn't get any Vesperia costumes until the very end of the game, so I don't know if the battle theme was what it was because of how far in I was, or because it just plays that one theme.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:27:00 PM
#26:


Characters (I guess ranking would be good to bad/meh character ratio: Abyss > Graces> Symphonia> Vesperia

Group Dynamic: Graces>Vesperia>Abyss>Symphonia

Sidequests*: Equal

Humor: Graces>Vesperia>Symphonia>Abyss

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:28:00 PM
#27:


From: KamikazePotato | #024
By the way, how long is the future arc in general?


15-20 hours casual playthrough 100% it (very easy to do, since it's mostly skits). If you want to grind out dualize items to make the dolls that let you transform any character into another at will (42 dolls total to get all of them for every character) it could take longer.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:28:00 PM
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future arc is like 8-11 hours

From: tereziWright | #025
Was it just that one mediocre battle theme? I didn't get any Vesperia costumes until the very end of the game, so I don't know if the battle theme was what it was because of how far in I was, or because it just plays that one theme.


each costume has its own battle theme

one is the regular boss theme, one is a WALL OF NOISE, forgot what the other was

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:29:00 PM
#29:


Graces has some f***ing hilarious skits.

I really did not expect jokes about rough sex in a Tales game.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:29:00 PM
#30:


Damn. This game is long.

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:29:00 PM
#31:


From: SuperAngelo128 | #028
future arc is like 8-11 hours

[quoted text]

each costume has its own battle theme

one is the regular boss theme, one is a WALL OF NOISE, forgot what the other was


Ugh, I guess Asbel's is the wall of noise, since that's the only one I ever heard.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:30:00 PM
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From: tereziWright | #029
Graces has some f***ing hilarious skits.

I really did not expect jokes about rough sex in a Tales game.


uh when was this

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:31:00 PM
#33:


From: KamikazePotato | #030
Damn. This game is long.


Running on 95 hours now, still need to do the EX dungeon, Rockgagong fight, Arena stuff, and transformed final boss. Passed my longest playtime of any game 15 hours ago. And it's not like I ever dilly dallied around, at worse I did some backtracking for sidequests I'd put off, but that added 2 hours at the most.

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:33:00 PM
#34:


From: SuperAngelo128 | #032
uh when was this


Skit in front of some rubble in the Future arc, Eleth research center. Malik talking to Hubert about Pascal.

"You want her to treat you roughly and bring you to a painful finish?"

"I didn't say that!"

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swordz9
04/01/12 5:33:00 PM
#35:


I'm on 80 hours and not even at the future arc. If I had to guess I probably still have a few hours of plot left too, but I keep putting it off because pretty much everything else in the game is more interesting.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:33:00 PM
#36:


Malik trolling Hubert is always great

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Xiahou Shake
04/01/12 5:34:00 PM
#37:


"Hey, I don't know, man, maybe she's into that!"
Malik, the best troll in any RPG party ever.

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SuperAngelo128
04/01/12 5:34:00 PM
#38:


"Oh you'll do it with me Asbel? Thanks!"

"Heh"

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WhiteLens
04/01/12 5:35:00 PM
#39:


Oh wait, something I can definitely get behind.

Gameplay: Graces > Vesperia > Abyss > Innocence > Symphonia

That's the only thing I'd put Innocence ahead of something, it'd be dead last in about every other category.
Innocence R could change that, but I don't see it happening....mainly because I doubt we'll even get it here. >_>

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Dark Silvergun
04/01/12 5:38:00 PM
#40:


tereziWright wrote:

Are you sure you didn't mix up your front and back end there?

Sure didn't, in terms of battle system between those two games, Xillia(PS3)>Graces f(PS3).

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:38:00 PM
#41:


From: SuperAngelo128 | #038
"Oh you'll do it with me Asbel? Thanks!"

"Heh"


Everytime Malik just makes some little noise at an unintentionally hilarious comment, like he's staring at you through the TV screen and is all "that's what she said", is hilarious.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:39:00 PM
#42:


No clue on Xillia but Graces' battle system is so good. Probably the best of any RPG I've played.

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Xiahou Shake
04/01/12 5:41:00 PM
#43:


From: Dark Silvergun | #040
Sure didn't, in terms of battle system between those two games, Xillia(PS3)>Graces f(PS3).


Why are you putting (PS3) after them? >_>
It's not like either of them are on any other consoles.

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tereziWright
04/01/12 5:43:00 PM
#44:


From: KamikazePotato | #042
No clue on Xillia but Graces' battle system is so good. Probably the best of any RPG I've played.


From what I understand, Xillia essentially uses the same CC system as Graces...except it also had TP, so you still have to buy gels to heal TP, while using the move limitation of Graces, which defeats the entire purpose.

I'm looking forward to Xillia, but the battle system is not the reason.

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Dark Silvergun
04/01/12 5:44:00 PM
#45:


Xiahou Shake

Why are you putting (PS3) after them?

Just because I wanted to, that's all.

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Xiahou Shake
04/01/12 5:45:00 PM
#46:


Honestly, from all I've been hearing, Xillia seems pretty underwhelming compared to Graces. Only one Mystic Arte per character, wonky battle system, and apparently very few side quests and a pretty bad story (from what I've heard).
Graces is probably my new favorite Tales game, and I'll just be happy if the series gets back to having regular releases in the west, but still. >_>

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swordz9
04/01/12 5:48:00 PM
#47:


I'm not sure how I'd rank the characters in Graces just yet. Partly because I haven't finished and partly because it's tough to actually rank them. Skit/after battle/sidequest stuff is great for them, but almost everybody is average in terms of plot dialogue and in some cases their plot dialogue makes them less good.

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Dark Silvergun
04/01/12 5:53:00 PM
#48:


tereziWright wrote:

Xillia essentially uses the same CC system as Graces

Not exactly, you don't use up your AC while using free run, while in Graces, free run wastes your CC. Also, every attack consumes 1 point of AC in Xillia, while CC usage varies based on the type of attack used in Graces.

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KamikazePotato
04/01/12 5:54:00 PM
#49:


Not exactly, you don't use up your AC while using free run, while in Graces, free run wastes your CC.

Graces way is better. I hate free run.

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Articuno2001
04/01/12 6:08:00 PM
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From: KamikazePotato | #049
Not exactly, you don't use up your AC while using free run, while in Graces, free run wastes your CC.

Graces way is better. I hate free run.


why would you hate free run

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