Board 8 > 154 on my first practice LSAT.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Not sure how to feel about that! I guess for someone that hasn't done much preparation at all, I guess it's okay?

I'm registered for the June exam, and I just started Blueprint's prep course. Today was the first practice exam, Logic Games DESTROYED me.

Anyone else here taking/taken the LSAT?

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Prepping for the LSAT myself.

I wouldn't get too down on myself for that kind of score. Plenty of room to improve, and while some people I've met only managed to bump it up 5-10 points, others got it up as much as 15! The fact that you're doing some test prep will make a world of difference.

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University of North Texas economist Michael Nieswiadomy has conducted several studies (in 1998, 2006, and 2008) derived from LSAC data. In the most recent study Nieswiadomy took the LSAC's categorization of test-takers into 162 majors and grouped these into 29 categories, finding the averages of each major:[17]

27. Pre-law 148.3

this explains so much

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what

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I was going to try going to Law School, but I lost my job and couldn't afford it anymore. I'm still mad about the whole thing.

From: Weakupedia | Posted: 4/1/2012 9:39:33 PM | #004
what

I think he's saying that Pre-law is a stupid major and anyone majoring in it is dumb, and majoring in other things tends to be way better for getting into law school and being successful.

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i mean yeah, but where did he get that from

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I wiki'd the LSAT to see what it was

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... oh

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I think he's saying that Pre-law is a stupid major and anyone majoring in it is dumb, and majoring in other things tends to be way better for getting into law school and being successful.

Yep! IIRC the best majors are Physics, Mathematics, and Philosophy/Theology. Pre-Law is among the very worst

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philosophy doesn't fall into the pre-law category?

phil/history/english are some of the biggest pre-law majors

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uh, Yoshi, Pre-Law is considered to be its own major

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154 isn't too bad, especially on the first try. Failing on logic games isn't too bad at all, I think. I'm not going to take the LSAT till 3-4 years, so I don't really have much to say on this.

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From: Peace___Frog | #012
uh, Yoshi, Pre-Law is considered to be its own major

oh, I looked it up, wasn't sure how they did the break down on majors

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I'm almost done with my third year in law school, but (thankfully?) the LSAT wasn't mandatory to get in where I'm studying. Which means I can't really help you, at least as far as the LSAT is concerned.

Best of luck, though!

(Am I weird for finding the LSAT kind of fun? At least from looking at some sample questions, anyway. >_>)

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The LSAT is fun.

I just also really suck at logic games. :(

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The practice LSAT was a blast.

163 over here.

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IIRC I had a 167 on my first practice LSAT, and ended up with a 174. I was kind of disappointed because I was consistently getting 175-180 on practice LSATs before that. Ran into time issues on the real LSAT and ended up not getting to a whole section of logic games questions- I suppose that's why it's a good idea to take practice exams under real exam conditions (i.e. not use your computer clock to keep track of time).

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Logic section seems to me to be really about figuring out the 'system' between each set of questions.

E.g. (From a sample exam) a retail company identifies each product they sell with a five digit product code. The digits may only be 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4. Each digit appears only once on each product.
> 2nd digit is exactly twice the amount of the 1st digit.
> 3rd digit is less than the 5th digit.

And then they ask you a bunch of questions. It seems to me that spending maybe 30 seconds/1 minute just looking at the problem before answering specific questions could be helpful. In this sample question, you quickly realize that the first two digits may only be either 1-2 or 2-4. Once you figure that out, you can save a LOT of time in the long run with each subsequent questions. For instance, here are the actual questions:

1) If the last digit is a one, then it must be true that...
(A) First digit is a two (2-4 is the only possible combination in that instance).
...

2) Which of the following is true of all product codes?
...
(C) 2 always comes before 3 (whether you follow 1-2 or 2-4, 2 always comes before 3).
...

3) If the third digit of a product code is not 0, which must be true?
...
(C) 4th digit is a 0 (once you realize the 1-2/2-4 loophole, you know that 0 can't be one of the first two digits; you also know that it can't be the 5th one because 5th > 3rd).
...

And so on and so forth. It's not exactly easy, but it at least seems to me that you could gain a lot just by trying to figure out the system behind each set of questions before jumping head first.

Though again, I never took it, so I might be completely wrong on all accounts!

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Logic Games are fun. The other sections aren't, but I would have fun just doing logic games.

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From: red sox 777 | #021
Logic Games are fun. The other sections aren't, but I would have fun just doing logic games.

Law isn't fun either, so the other sections are a good preparation, though. <_<

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red sox 777 posted...
IIRC I had a 167 on my first practice LSAT, and ended up with a 174. I was kind of disappointed because I was consistently getting 175-180 on practice LSATs before that. Ran into time issues on the real LSAT and ended up not getting to a whole section of logic games questions- I suppose that's why it's a good idea to take practice exams under real exam conditions (i.e. not use your computer clock to keep track of time).

WTF

i'd be incredibly happy just to get a 170

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i took this, like, 9 months ago. didn't end up pursuing law school, though.

logic games is definitely the most fun section, if rather contrived and gimmicky. i'd suggest deducing as much as you can from the basic setup for each question group before attacking the individual questions. often you'll reach some kind of insight that will make answering most or all of the questions a lot easier than they would be if you just tried to figure them out one by one. i guess solfadore already said this above, but i can confirm it.

it may also be helpful to make a good diagram illustrating the situation, which just involves making sensible choices about how to display the data. a lot of question groups (but not all - my exam had a group with random types of cars) will have names with initials in alphabetical order to help you with this.

I'm almost done with my third year in law school, but (thankfully?) the LSAT wasn't mandatory to get in where I'm studying. Which means I can't really help you, at least as far as the LSAT is concerned.

Really? I thought the LSAT was basically required everywhere.

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WTF

i'd be incredibly happy just to get a 170

I've always done really well at standardized tests.....much better than my performance in school.

The hardest section for me on practice tests was consistently the reading comprehension- a few of the questions always felt ambiguous, even after reading the answer. Strangely enough, on the actual test, I only missed 2 RC questions and 5 logic games questions (through running out of time), which I basically never missed on practice exams.

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From: Westbrick | #025
I'm almost done with my third year in law school, but (thankfully?) the LSAT wasn't mandatory to get in where I'm studying. Which means I can't really help you, at least as far as the LSAT is concerned.

Really? I thought the LSAT was basically required everywhere.

Nah, some universities do away with it. I come from a mixed civil/common law jurisdiction, though, so that's probably why.

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IIRC, all of the Big 14 require LSAT scores. For what that's worth.

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Louisiana? I think some schools (including Michigan?) have programs where you can apply without an LSAT score if you meet certain other requirements, yeah.

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From: red sox 777 | #029
Louisiana? I think some schools (including Michigan?) have programs where you can apply without an LSAT score if you meet certain other requirements, yeah.

Nah, Canada. LSAT is generally the norm, at least as far as common law jurisdictions are concerned, but there are exceptions.

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http://emory.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/0910/?whichCycle=1112

I found lawschoolnumbers to be a very informative site, where applicants self-report their stats and admissions result. This chart shows that if you can get a 166, you are just about guaranteed admissions to Emory (ranked in the 20s). It appears to be just about the only thing they care about.

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