Board 8 > So, Nintendo responded to those Wii U rumors. [lol] [oh lawd] [fail]

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 9:27:00 AM
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http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/2012/04/05/nintendo-offers-comments-on-wii-us-power/

This does not bode well.

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ninkendo
04/05/12 9:27:00 AM
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so the same thing they've always said about their specs

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/05/12 9:35:00 AM
#3:


Still, if they're going to make the same mistakes as they did with the Wii, that's not exactly a good sign that they're learning.

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 9:37:00 AM
#4:


ninkendo posted...
so the same thing they've always said about their specs

IIRC, weren't they pretty gung-ho about the 3DS and GameCube specs?

I have a feeling they would be the same way about Wii U, if it was actually powerful. I really don't want this system to suck, but man, they just haven't given us any good news about it yet... aside from a few decent game announcements (Smash, Pikmin 3 [if this even sees the light of day]).

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Leebo86
04/05/12 9:38:00 AM
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Do they even consider the graphics of the Wii a mistake?

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Liquid Wind
04/05/12 9:40:00 AM
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graphics are a moot point next to the tablet of doom, I want to know if they're going to fix it to have an actual controller
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WazzupGenius00
04/05/12 9:43:00 AM
#7:


From: TheCodeisBosco | #004
ninkendo posted...
so the same thing they've always said about their specs

IIRC, weren't they pretty gung-ho about the 3DS and GameCube specs?


Nintendo wasn't, the gaming press was. At least with the 3DS, I can't really remember their marketing techniques for Gamecube but I would imagine the same

Microsoft and Sony bleed money trying to stay on the cutting edge of graphics and power, Nintendo makes the right choice by sticking to slightly older tech. One of the philosophies that made Nintendo so successful in the 80s and 90s was Yokoi's "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology," and it worked out for them again with the Wii

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 9:43:00 AM
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Leebo86 posted...
Do they even consider the graphics of the Wii a mistake?

I want to believe so, because the 3DS - the first system they released after the Wii - is a legitimately, honest-to-God powerful system. You couldn't say that about the DS in '04, and you certainly couldn't say that about the Wii in '06.

As such, I like to think they understand the importance of graphics more, but this response to the rumors makes me have my doubts. I get that solid gameplay is very important, but why can't we have solid gameplay and powerful visuals?

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ninkendo
04/05/12 9:44:00 AM
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I think Nintendo could help calm down the people afraid of the tablet controller by packing in a CCP with the console.

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tereziWright
04/05/12 9:45:00 AM
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From: Liquid Wind | #006
graphics are a moot point next to the tablet of doom, I want to know if they're going to fix it to have an actual controller


I don't see why they would, word from last year's show floor was that the button and stick layout on the tablet was just as comfortable as a regular controller.

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Liquid Wind
04/05/12 9:47:00 AM
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I don't see why they would, word from last year's show floor was that the button and stick layout on the tablet was just as comfortable as a regular controller.

people in the gaming media aren't trustworthy, and the button layout is obviously OK(it's the classic SNES/psx), it's the form that is god awful
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GuessMyUserName
04/05/12 9:48:00 AM
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literally everybody that has hands-on experience were just like you and expected it to be uncomfortable, but they tried it out and were very impressed


quit whining about things you have no idea about like they're the end of the world

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tereziWright
04/05/12 9:48:00 AM
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Giant Bomb guys are pretty trustworthy IMHO.

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Leebo86
04/05/12 9:48:00 AM
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Tablets are "in". There's no way they ditch it.

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 9:48:00 AM
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WazzupGenius00 posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #004
ninkendo posted...
so the same thing they've always said about their specs

IIRC, weren't they pretty gung-ho about the 3DS and GameCube specs?
Nintendo wasn't, the gaming press was. At least with the 3DS, I can't really remember their marketing techniques for Gamecube but I would imagine the same

Microsoft and Sony bleed money trying to stay on the cutting edge of graphics and power, Nintendo makes the right choice by sticking to slightly older tech. One of the philosophies that made Nintendo so successful in the 80s and 90s was Yokoi's "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology," and it worked out for them again with the Wii


I could have sworn they were enthusiastic about both systems' visual specs, particularly the 3DS. But my memory isn't exactly the greatest in the world.

"Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology"... heh, that's pretty cool. For my money, Yokoi was one of gaming's greatest geniuses - hell, he might even be the one I respect most. Still though, the 360's tech is a little more than "withered" at this point, and I'll be awfully disappointed if Wii U is just on par with it, or God forbid, weaker.

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ninkendo
04/05/12 9:49:00 AM
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it will be interesting to see what the controller looks like at this year's E3 since the whole console is getting a reintroduction including allegedly getting a name change and the controller now having a 3D display

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Liquid Wind
04/05/12 9:49:00 AM
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Leebo86 posted...
Tablets are "in". There's no way they ditch it.

that's exactly why it's not even a good idea in terms of marketability, apple already has this niche on lockdown, it's not like the wii where they were first to market with something that got very hot, they're the last this time
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The Mana Sword
04/05/12 9:49:00 AM
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controller now having a 3D display

bail out

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Leebo86
04/05/12 9:51:00 AM
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From: Liquid Wind | #017
Leebo86 posted...
Tablets are "in". There's no way they ditch it.

that's exactly why it's not even a good idea in terms of marketability, apple already has this niche on lockdown, it's not like the wii where they were first to market with something that got very hot, they're the last this time


It's uh... not a tablet computer.

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 9:51:00 AM
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As far as the tablet controller goes, I'm withholding judgment on it. I'm not particularly optimistic about it, but I'll wait to try it; it could be a really pleasant surprise, an abomination, or anywhere in between.

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neonreaper
04/05/12 9:52:00 AM
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I think Nintendo's potential issue is how they regard the tablet - that it's completely tied to the console seems like a mistake to me. I think there is a ton of really cool things they can do with the tablet controller (and a lot of terrible things). I imagine that first wave of games is going to really take a beating.

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neonreaper
04/05/12 9:56:00 AM
#22:


TheCodeisBosco posted...
WazzupGenius00 posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #004
ninkendo posted...
so the same thing they've always said about their specs

IIRC, weren't they pretty gung-ho about the 3DS and GameCube specs?
Nintendo wasn't, the gaming press was. At least with the 3DS, I can't really remember their marketing techniques for Gamecube but I would imagine the same

Microsoft and Sony bleed money trying to stay on the cutting edge of graphics and power, Nintendo makes the right choice by sticking to slightly older tech. One of the philosophies that made Nintendo so successful in the 80s and 90s was Yokoi's "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology," and it worked out for them again with the Wii

I could have sworn they were enthusiastic about both systems' visual specs, particularly the 3DS. But my memory isn't exactly the greatest in the world.

"Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology"... heh, that's pretty cool. For my money, Yokoi was one of gaming's greatest geniuses - hell, he might even be the one I respect most. Still though, the 360's tech is a little more than "withered" at this point, and I'll be awfully disappointed if Wii U is just on par with it, or God forbid, weaker.


No, you are right, they made a big deal about the 3DS tech and performance, and they've lost a lot of money in the short term with it, not sure what dude was thinking.

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 10:00:00 AM
#23:


neonreaper posted...
I think Nintendo's potential issue is how they regard the tablet - that it's completely tied to the console seems like a mistake to me. I think there is a ton of really cool things they can do with the tablet controller (and a lot of terrible things). I imagine that first wave of games is going to really take a beating.

Oh man, the launch window lineup is gonna be painful.

Looking back at the Wii's launch window stuff is really funny. Some of it is still really good, like WarioWare, but the bulk of it is hilariously dated. Wii Sports, Elebits, and (especially) Red Steel in particular.

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OctilIery
04/05/12 10:01:00 AM
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Nintendo needs to stay on top of specs because as of right now, the big money is in third party software, and when you have a console that's so unfriendly and restricting like the Wii and WiiU, most companies are going to opt out and go for the safe choice(PS3 and 360).

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 10:02:00 AM
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neonreaper posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
WazzupGenius00 posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | #004
ninkendo posted...
so the same thing they've always said about their specs

IIRC, weren't they pretty gung-ho about the 3DS and GameCube specs?
Nintendo wasn't, the gaming press was. At least with the 3DS, I can't really remember their marketing techniques for Gamecube but I would imagine the same

Microsoft and Sony bleed money trying to stay on the cutting edge of graphics and power, Nintendo makes the right choice by sticking to slightly older tech. One of the philosophies that made Nintendo so successful in the 80s and 90s was Yokoi's "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology," and it worked out for them again with the Wii

I could have sworn they were enthusiastic about both systems' visual specs, particularly the 3DS. But my memory isn't exactly the greatest in the world.

"Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology"... heh, that's pretty cool. For my money, Yokoi was one of gaming's greatest geniuses - hell, he might even be the one I respect most. Still though, the 360's tech is a little more than "withered" at this point, and I'll be awfully disappointed if Wii U is just on par with it, or God forbid, weaker.

No, you are right, they made a big deal about the 3DS tech and performance, and they've lost a lot of money in the short term with it, not sure what dude was thinking.


The 3DS is really picking up steam now, though! Which I'm glad about. It's much better than I expected.

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GuessMyUserName
04/05/12 10:03:00 AM
#26:


From: TheCodeisBosco | Posted: 4/5/2012 1:00:53 PM | #023
neonreaper posted...
I think Nintendo's potential issue is how they regard the tablet - that it's completely tied to the console seems like a mistake to me. I think there is a ton of really cool things they can do with the tablet controller (and a lot of terrible things). I imagine that first wave of games is going to really take a beating.

Oh man, the launch window lineup is gonna be painful.

Looking back at the Wii's launch window stuff is really funny. Some of it is still really good, like WarioWare, but the bulk of it is hilariously dated. Wii Sports, Elebits, and (especially) Red Steel in particular.


Red Steel hasn't dated, it was always that way >_>

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foolm0ron
04/05/12 10:04:00 AM
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"the experience of playing" is important, huh? I guess that includes moving your head from the screen to your lap so that you can see your HUD because developers are too uncreative to put anything else on the tablet.

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ninkendo
04/05/12 10:05:00 AM
#28:


all I need to know is that Nintendo Network is indeed a PSN style online system and when Dragon Quest X is coming

everything else regarding Wii U is just bonus

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Liquid Wind
04/05/12 10:05:00 AM
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yeah red steel was never respected except before it came out.

anyway, I can hold out some hope based on what shine said, if they redesign this thing so the form is more ergonomic it might be decent
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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 10:07:00 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
From: TheCodeisBosco | Posted: 4/5/2012 1:00:53 PM | #023
neonreaper posted...
I think Nintendo's potential issue is how they regard the tablet - that it's completely tied to the console seems like a mistake to me. I think there is a ton of really cool things they can do with the tablet controller (and a lot of terrible things). I imagine that first wave of games is going to really take a beating.

Oh man, the launch window lineup is gonna be painful.

Looking back at the Wii's launch window stuff is really funny. Some of it is still really good, like WarioWare, but the bulk of it is hilariously dated. Wii Sports, Elebits, and (especially) Red Steel in particular.
Red Steel hasn't dated, it was always that way >_>


Haha! Very good point, man.

Anyone here ever go on Nintendo's old forums? Before the Wii was released, everyone acted like Red Steel was the second coming of Christ. Then it actually came out, and all hell broke loose! Most people ragged on it like nobody's business, but there was a very vocal minority of Nintendo Stans that defended it to the bitter end.

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 10:08:00 AM
#31:


ninkendo posted...
all I need to know is that Nintendo Network is indeed a PSN style online system and when Dragon Quest X is coming

everything else regarding Wii U is just bonus


TBH, if they announce a Clu Clu Land sequel, I'll go out and preorder the system ASAP.

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04/05/12 10:08:00 AM
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lol nintendo
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neonreaper
04/05/12 10:10:00 AM
#33:


TheCodeisBosco posted...
The 3DS is really picking up steam now, though! Which I'm glad about. It's much better than I expected.

I've had one for like 6 months, I'm happy more games are coming too.

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TheCodeisBosco
04/05/12 10:17:00 AM
#34:


neonreaper posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
The 3DS is really picking up steam now, though! Which I'm glad about. It's much better than I expected.

I've had one for like 6 months, I'm happy more games are coming too.


TBH, I'm most excited for RollerCoaster Tycoon 3D. That might seriously be a day one purchase for me.

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neonreaper
04/05/12 10:18:00 AM
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foolm0ron posted...
"the experience of playing" is important, huh? I guess that includes moving your head from the screen to your lap so that you can see your HUD because developers are too uncreative to put anything else on the tablet.

Reggie: "The experience I use to describe it to someone is to imagine a first person shooter, where instead of constantly having to look at the screen, now I’ve got things happening all around me."

so sticking with first person shooters, if you like Metroid Prime, I could see that game really benefiting from the tablet controller. not so much for most other FPS games though maybe someone else has better ideas than myself

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MarvelousGerbil
04/05/12 10:19:00 AM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Still, if they're going to make the same mistakes as they did with the Wii, that's not exactly a good sign that they're learning.

Nintendo doesn't view the Wii as a mistake. It won last gen. They sold out, but they're a business,

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ninkendo
04/05/12 10:20:00 AM
#37:


neonreaper posted...
foolm0ron posted...
"the experience of playing" is important, huh? I guess that includes moving your head from the screen to your lap so that you can see your HUD because developers are too uncreative to put anything else on the tablet.

Reggie: "The experience I use to describe it to someone is to imagine a first person shooter, where instead of constantly having to look at the screen, now I’ve got things happening all around me."

so sticking with first person shooters, if you like Metroid Prime, I could see that game really benefiting from the tablet controller. not so much for most other FPS games though maybe someone else has better ideas than myself




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neonreaper
04/05/12 10:28:00 AM
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I assume all youtube links are links to pony videos and don't click on them sorry

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/05/12 10:29:00 AM
#39:


From: MarvelousGerbil | #036
HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Still, if they're going to make the same mistakes as they did with the Wii, that's not exactly a good sign that they're learning.

Nintendo doesn't view the Wii as a mistake. It won last gen. They sold out, but they're a business,


No doubt, but they've admitted that they lost part of the 'hardcore' market, the audience they're trying to reclaim with the Wii U. If they just repeat what they did with the Wii but slap the new things that PS3/360 did on to it, then I'm skeptical that will work. Especially when one of the main problems with the Wii was lack of multiplatform games due to poor specs. If the specs of the PS4/whatever and next Xbox trump the Wii U's in a way that makes multiplatform games markedly inferior (remember Dead Rising Wii?), then they'll lose that market all over again.

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ninkendo
04/05/12 10:32:00 AM
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what's a pony video?

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foolm0ron
04/05/12 10:34:00 AM
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From: neonreaper | #035
so sticking with first person shooters, if you like Metroid Prime, I could see that game really benefiting from the tablet controller. not so much for most other FPS games though maybe someone else has better ideas than myself


FPS is the LAST type of game I would want to take my eyes off the screen while playing. I don't see how MP in particular could be improved by the tablet. In fact it seems like one of the worst candidates since the original HUD was so good, looking through Samus' visor, and having all the water/steam effects and sometimes reflecting her face.

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04/05/12 11:34:00 AM
#42:


ninkendo posted...
what's a pony video?



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NoName999
04/05/12 11:35:00 AM
#43:


On topic: It's Nintendo. The Wii U could rival the power of PC gaming and they still wouldn't say so until the last minute.

Also, since when does a video game company flat out answer yes/no to a rumor?

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04/05/12 11:38:00 AM
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xfd Nintendo

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shadosneko
04/05/12 11:51:00 AM
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I thought the speculation about the hardware in it was around a HD57xx series Radeon, which is pretty ****ing good.

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pjbasis
04/05/12 12:13:00 PM
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I love how Nintendo actually said nothing.

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04/05/12 12:14:00 PM
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I thought I heard Nintendo was hoping for more thirty party games this gen?

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04/05/12 12:29:00 PM
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They say that every gen.

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JJH777
04/05/12 12:53:00 PM
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This is good news. Means the console will most likely only be $250-300 at launch if not less. I bet the next 360/PS3 will be $400+ at launch.

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neonreaper
04/05/12 12:59:00 PM
#50:


JJH777 posted...
This is good news. Means the console will most likely only be $250-300 at launch if not less. I bet the next 360/PS3 will be $400+ at launch.

"This is the first holiday that the Wii is available at $149.99 or below, so its an expanded demographic we’re reaching. These are consumers who have heard about Wii for the past couple years, but at $199 or $249 it was economically out of their reach. We haven’t announced pricing for Wii U, but you can definitely expect that pricing is going to be different and that the games are going to be different."

paraphrased: your wallet is not ready

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