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ninkendo 05/14/12 10:47:00 PM #1: |
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/capcom-re-evaluating-companys-on-disc-dlc-policy/4147/
I expect their evaluation to end with them deciding their current practices are fine -- http://i.imgur.com/H7Tbg.jpg http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/CaptainRockman.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Weakupedia 05/14/12 10:51:00 PM #2: |
Part of me is afraid they don't actually get why people were tiffed by the on-disc DLC.
Except now that they're probably not putting stuff on the disc, consumers will have no clue whether or not the DLC was made before the game was released or not while they do exactly the same thing as they've been doing so far. -- XS2 is the only good Xenosaga game - Lady Ashe http://backloggery.com/cwistofu ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/14/12 10:52:00 PM #3: |
"People seem to dislike on-disc DLC, so we should placate them by not releasing any more Mega Man titles."
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PrivateBiscuit1 05/14/12 10:53:00 PM #4: |
"Did we make money? Then what's the problem?"
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Paratroopa1 05/14/12 11:08:00 PM #5: |
Capcom should re-evaluate their f***ing existence.
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The Real Truth 05/14/12 11:13:00 PM #6: |
lol capcom
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Westbrick 05/14/12 11:15:00 PM #7: |
I still don't understand the problem with on-disc DLC!
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The Real Truth 05/14/12 11:15:00 PM #8: |
The decision to include some additional (but not all planned additional) game content for the game on disc was made at the beginning of the games development cycle,
and people told me I was crazy for thinking this before DLC got out of hand. This was never a "well since we have extra time..." thing. All of this was planned a long time ago. -- Tornadoman78: tornadoman and tornadogirl like to kick box each other in my tornaolayzers and she dosent even mind getting hit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westbrick 05/14/12 11:17:00 PM #9: |
The Real Truth posted...
The decision to include some additional (but not all planned additional) game content for the game on disc was made at the beginning of the games development cycle, and people told me I was crazy for thinking this before DLC got out of hand. This was never a "well since we have extra time..." thing. All of this was planned a long time ago. oh. well this is a problem -- ~LOLBULLS~ http://h11.abload.de/img/untitled-2ovjj0.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rex915 05/14/12 11:22:00 PM #10: |
Westbrick posted...
I still don't understand the problem with on-disc DLC! Nah, THIS is the real problem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 05/14/12 11:23:00 PM #11: |
From: Anagram | #003 This needs to be an image macro using Svenson's avatar from the Capcom boards. -- http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2664/7b7aaa038007832d461b28c.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 05/14/12 11:27:00 PM #12: |
Thats been Capcoms standard explanation for on-disc downloadable content. For its fighting games, its definitely made a certain amount of sense. You need all users to have the same content locally to ensure there are not sync issues in multiplayer. Look at Mortal Kombat for an example of how it can all go wrong.
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Rad Link 5 05/14/12 11:37:00 PM #13: |
"People don't like it when we release DLC that's already on the disc. We should just stop putting it on the disc. Problem solved!"
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Rad Link 5 05/14/12 11:38:00 PM #14: |
"Now let's go make some Mega Man games!
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Seisen_Kitsune 05/14/12 11:54:00 PM #15: |
pjbasis posted...
Thats been Capcoms standard explanation for on-disc downloadable content. For its fighting games, its definitely made a certain amount of sense. You need all users to have the same content locally to ensure there are not sync issues in multiplayer. Look at Mortal Kombat for an example of how it can all go wrong. What are they talking about here? Mortal Kombat had DLC characters that were not on the disc. To use them against someone online, they must also have had the characters downloaded otherwise your opponent wouldn't have the data and that just couldn't possibly work. There were optional patches (IIRC) to let you battle against those characters, but being optional, a lot of people just didn't bother. Ergo, you could buy your awesome DLC characters and never be able to use them online because no one else had them. On-disc DLC does take care of this, as everyone automatically has all of the required data. Capcom also has to pay for everything downloaded off of Sony/Microsoft's servers (such as a gigantic patch with all the DLC characters), so they also save money. I don't think those points justify the practice, but there you go. -- In this world which will someday fall to ruin... ...dreams and hopes don't matter at all. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 05/15/12 12:01:00 AM #16: |
Or, you know, they could just make the optional patches non-optional.
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Rad Link 5 05/15/12 12:13:00 AM #17: |
BlazBlue, for instance, forces you to download the latest patch for online play if a DLC character is released.
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Crossfiyah 05/15/12 12:14:00 AM #18: |
Or just make the DLC, you know, C.
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Rad Link 5 05/15/12 12:19:00 AM #19: |
More like LC.
Loadable Content is the best kind of content. I don't want content that can't be loaded, man! -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i56.tinypic.com/2hxynir.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/15/12 12:23:00 AM #20: |
tcaz2 posted... -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/15/12 12:24:00 AM #21: |
And before anybody comments, I'm not defending on-disc DLC. -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/15/12 12:24:00 AM #22: |
StealThisSheen posted...
tcaz2 posted... Or, you know, they could just make the optional patches non-optional. Then you'd have people complaining that they're being forced to download patches they don't want/need. Or, like in the case with the occasional Sony patch, a save corrupting update can't be warned about and avoided. They do need the patch. They need it to play with people who have the DLC. It's a much better (for the customer) solution than what's currently done. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StealThisSheen 05/15/12 12:26:00 AM #23: |
Anagram posted... -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 05/15/12 12:27:00 AM #24: |
AE style updates should be the only DLC Capcom should do for fighting games. It's ironic how they say that locking the characters on the disc is a way to prevent the game from needing an super update yet SFxT is the current gen Capcom fighter that needs a new engine update the most.
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OmarsComin 05/15/12 12:37:00 AM #25: |
The issue was never "this content was on the disc I am so mad."
It was Ono directly lying to everyone and saying outright "we're not done with the characters yet. so we couldn't fit them into the game. we're not sure how to make them work yet." then a couple days later they were found on the disc, complete and gameplay ready. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSJSephirothGokuX123 05/15/12 12:44:00 AM #26: |
It's not just that, it's the fact that it's also a huge amount of content locked (12 characters, hundreds of gems/colors/costumes) are already usable on disc, and the fact we have to wait until at least fall to use those 12 characters(if we don't get them earlier like what the blog said)
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The Real Truth 05/15/12 12:45:00 AM #27: |
They need to just stop coming out with games at set prices. They should just price the game at whatever they think it's worth, and let customers decide if it's worth it or not.
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OmarsComin 05/15/12 12:47:00 AM #28: |
Yeah that's true as well. The sad thing is that this game sunk in the community's esteem pretty quickly. So there won't be much of an active scene willing to pay for the DLC once it comes out.
Really I think they would've made more money if at the outset they had said "the way the funding works we have to pay for making these characters by having them as DLC. They'll be available for purchase on Day 1." That's what they're saying now anyway, that it's an issue how the characters were funded in the first place. That doesn't explain why colors were locked away when they were going to be free anyway, though. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Real Truth 05/15/12 12:54:00 AM #29: |
From: OmarsComin | #108 Sure it does. It's so you can feel like you're getting free stuff with your purchases. -- Tornadoman78: tornadoman and tornadogirl like to kick box each other in my tornaolayzers and she dosent even mind getting hit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmarsComin 05/15/12 12:56:00 AM #30: |
They're colors, though! Any feeling of free stuff will be minimized by "all this came free on CvS2 and they didn't pretend like they were doing me a favor."
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The Real Truth 05/15/12 1:01:00 AM #31: |
But this is the age of the information superhighway.
You can watch the Louvre on one channel, or watch female mud-wrestling on another. You can do your shopping at home or play Mortal Kombat with a friend in Vietnam. -- Tornadoman78: tornadoman and tornadogirl like to kick box each other in my tornaolayzers and she dosent even mind getting hit ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 05/15/12 1:07:00 AM #32: |
From: StealThisSheen | #020 As I said, this is already done with BlazBlue, and nobody complains. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/jgonzo/large/4958fc9d9dfd6917713402cae21a3e0e.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 05/15/12 1:21:00 AM #33: |
The reason nobody complains is because mandatory updates to play online are a thing everyone is already used to.
Literally every other genre in gaming that has online play does it. -- http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2664/7b7aaa038007832d461b28c.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 05/15/12 1:22:00 AM #34: |
The reasons for the characters not being available before fall is likely because of the Vita version. Sony probably paid Capcom for some sort of exclusive Vita content.
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StealThisSheen 05/15/12 1:37:00 AM #35: |
Rad Link 5 posted... -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shoenin_Kakashi 05/15/12 1:38:00 AM #36: |
They do...sorta.
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StealThisSheen 05/15/12 1:38:00 AM #37: |
tcaz2 posted... -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shoenin_Kakashi 05/15/12 1:46:00 AM #38: |
Patches to fix things are awesome.
But people are lame of course. -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude. SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 05/15/12 2:10:00 AM #39: |
From: StealThisSheen | #035 You're pretending they don't. From: StealThisSheen | #037 These patches are small, too. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i54.tinypic.com/2a5gdux.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voltch 05/15/12 3:27:00 AM #40: |
And then RE6 comes and out and we all love Capcom again like one big happy family.
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YetAnothrShadow 05/15/12 3:36:00 AM #42: |
" Hey guys we should probably also bring up the fact that it's Megaman's 25th anniversary "
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pjbasis 05/15/12 3:46:00 AM #43: |
voltch posted...
And then RE6 comes and out and we all love Capcom again like one big happy family. It's gonna be so sick! -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wg64Z 05/15/12 3:53:00 AM #44: |
If people complain about having to download a mandatory patch...then wow. They're just really REALLY trying to find things to complain about at that point.
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snailien 05/15/12 4:19:00 AM #45: |
Capcom's going to say they won't be doing on-disc DLC anymore, but they'll still make DLC far enough in advance that it might as well be on-disc. Slowly going the way of the buffalo...
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Westbrick 05/15/12 5:28:00 AM #46: |
wg64Z posted...
If people complain about having to download a mandatory patch...then wow. They're just really REALLY trying to find things to complain about at that point. I believe he's just making a devil's advocacy point. No one really cares enough to complain about downloading a mandatory patch, especially not in the numbers that would cause Capcom to reconsider its approach a la on-disc DLC. -- ~LOLBULLS~ http://h11.abload.de/img/untitled-2ovjj0.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GenesisTwilight 05/15/12 8:10:00 AM #47: |
From: voltch | #040 Because that worked so well with the last several RE games. -- http://backloggery.com/genesistwilight/sig.gif http://mlkshk.com/r/3JLF.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/15/12 8:20:00 AM #48: |
I expect they will stop on-disc DLC, but confiscate all hard copies of any Ace Attorney game, destroy them, and recycle the scrap to attempt to offset the loss in profits.
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WazzupGenius00 05/15/12 9:01:00 AM #49: |
From: Seisen_Kitsune | #015 you forgot the best part. NRS heard people's complaints about that and the fourth DLC character's compatibility download was non-optional and guess what happened? People still b****ed -- A hare like me had no chance against Black Turtle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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