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14_and_counting
05/17/12 6:41:00 PM
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Literally should have been swept by the Pacers......THE ****ING PACERS!!!!


**** the game 1 refs. Doesn't matter now though, you going home brah..

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PrinceReva
05/17/12 6:45:00 PM
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Because this loss was totally LeBron's fault. Not Battier's crazy amount of 3-point shots, all misses, or DWade's complete no-show. Yep, all LeBron who, like it or not, is the league MVP for the third time in four years.

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captaincanadian
05/17/12 6:47:00 PM
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what did the ghost pirate Lechuck have to do with this game

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StealThisSheen
05/17/12 6:50:00 PM
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LeBron: 22 points
Wade: 5 points

Totally LeBron's fault.



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Sorozone
05/17/12 6:57:00 PM
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From: PrinceReva | #002
Yep, all LeBron who, like it or not, is the league MVP for the third time in four years.




Ehhh, this isn't a very strong point in his favor. MVP in the NBA has became like the MVP in MLB, it's a joke award.

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PrinceReva
05/17/12 7:04:00 PM
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Sorozone posted...
From: PrinceReva | #002
Yep, all LeBron who, like it or not, is the league MVP for the third time in four years.


Ehhh, this isn't a very strong point in his favor. MVP in the NBA has became like the MVP in MLB, it's a joke award.


Based on what merit? LeBron was easily the best all-around player in the NBA again. KD was his only close rival, and he had about 6 less assists per game than LeBron, everything else was +/- 1-2 in each stat.

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15_and_counting
05/17/12 7:04:00 PM
#7:


Didn't show up after halftime, (so he disappeared 19 minutes early this game) while the Pacers torched them. Had 3 assists on a night that Mario Chalmers put up 25 points...
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StealThisSheen
05/17/12 7:06:00 PM
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As opposed to Wade not showing up at all?

Definitely LeBron's fault, now. Thanks for clearing that up!

Replying to you is fun.



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14_and_counting
05/17/12 7:18:00 PM
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From: StealThisSheen | #008
As opposed to Wade not showing up at all?

Definitely LeBron's fault, now. Thanks for clearing that up!

Replying to you is fun.




What does this have to do with Wade?

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Westbrick
05/17/12 7:23:00 PM
#10:


Unathletic types who try and talk like they know basketball are funny. Thanks for the laugh TC.

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PrinceReva
05/17/12 7:24:00 PM
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14_and_counting posted...
What does this have to do with Wade?

The fact that had Wade shown up with HALF of what he averages, the Heat likely would have won, or at least not lost by 20. You can't put every loss on LeBron when most of them CLEARLY aren't his fault. He didn't have a 'perfect' game, but who ever has, save for Chamberlain's 100 point fest? Hate the guy all you want, but at the end of the day he's better than any other current player in the league, and the MVP award solidifies and embodies that.

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 7:29:00 PM
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From: PrinceReva | #011
14_and_counting posted...
What does this have to do with Wade?

The fact that had Wade shown up with HALF of what he averages, the Heat likely would have won, or at least not lost by 20. You can't put every loss on LeBron when most of them CLEARLY aren't his fault. He didn't have a 'perfect' game, but who ever has, save for Chamberlain's 100 point fest? Hate the guy all you want, but at the end of the day he's better than any other current player in the league, and the MVP award solidifies and embodies that.




Just not at the end of the game....



He's not the best player in the league. Sorry, he's not. The best players win in big moments. I don't care if he averages a Triple Double someday (the way he stat pads, he probably will). He is STILL not the MVP till he does something in the playoffs. The MVP has not symbolized jack **** since 2008. And most of them clearly are his fault. All 3 games this playoffs were either mostly LeBron (tonight, good second half bro) or ALL on LeBron. (Letting Carmello blow him up, missed FT;s and disappearing act 2 days ago)

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PrinceReva
05/17/12 7:38:00 PM
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Just not at the end of the game....



He's not the best player in the league. Sorry, he's not. The best players win in big moments. I don't care if he averages a Triple Double someday (the way he stat pads, he probably will). He is STILL not the MVP till he does something in the playoffs. The MVP has not symbolized jack **** since 2008. And most of them clearly are his fault. All 3 games this playoffs were either mostly LeBron (tonight, good second half bro) or ALL on LeBron. (Letting Carmello blow him up, missed FT;s and disappearing act 2 days ago)


No matter how you would like to slice it, winning games are completely based around a TEAM effort, and this rule applies ten-fold in the post season. He can't do it on his own, which is WHY he went to Miami, and WHY this can be pinned up to the loss of Bosh and the lack of anything from Wade tonight. LeBron put forth a solid effort tonight. His TEAM came up short, but by no means can this be chalked up to his doing.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 7:43:00 PM
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LeBron James produces more wins than anyone in the league.

You're an idiot if you think anyone is better than him. "Oh no, he doesn't win in big moments" is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I suppose we should all praise Big Shot Bob as the greatest player of all time because he hit some key shots over the course of his career.

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 7:46:00 PM
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From: TheRock1525 | #014
LeBron James produces more wins than anyone in the league.

You're an idiot if you think anyone is better than him. "Oh no, he doesn't win in big moments" is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I suppose we should all praise Big Shot Bob as the greatest player of all time because he hit some key shots over the course of his career.




You literally have no argument for it. And no Horry is not the best ever, but damn it all if he was not quite good. It is however why LeChoke will NEVER be as good as Mike, Kobe, Russell, Bird, Magic, etc. They came through when it mattered. They all hit huge shots or made key plays. They all contributed to winning when things mattered. LeBlow has not.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 7:53:00 PM
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"Oh no, he doesn't win in big moments" has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with who is the current best player in the NBA.

Your argument that he's not the best in the league is because he hasn't won a big moment. What the flying f*** does that have to do with who's currently best in the league? Kobe is on his way to getting swept, Derrick Rose isn't even in the playoffs anymore, Dwight is sitting at home, etc. And Kobe isn't the same Kobe that won those rings. He literally posted the most inefficient season of his career. At best, you could argue for Durant. And I'd still take a guy who can give you a triple double on most nights over the guy who's an excellent scorer and solid rebounder but not the same passer or defender as the former.

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ninkendo
05/17/12 7:55:00 PM
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MWC the only person who can drive others to actually defend Lebron

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voltch
05/17/12 7:57:00 PM
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Derek Fisher GOAT

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PrinceReva
05/17/12 8:00:00 PM
#19:


voltch posted...
Derek Fisher GOAT

This was my very first thought when trying to imagine an NBA akin to this "have-to-be-clutch-to-be-MVP" world that seems to have been established by MWC.

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 8:49:00 PM
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From: PrinceReva | #019
voltch posted...
Derek Fisher GOAT

This was my very first thought when trying to imagine an NBA akin to this "have-to-be-clutch-to-be-MVP" world that seems to have been established by MWC.




You don't have to be clutch. Just not be the very opposite of clutch. Don't shy away in the biggest moment.


This is not football or baseball. There is no Ernie Banks or Dan Marino here. This is a game that one player can, and DOES win you games and Championships. To be a great, YOU WIN, end of. There is literally only one acceptable excuse. And it has to be these exact words. I played against Basketball god incarnate in his Prime. Barkley and Malone have that, no other player in NBA history gets to be a Great player without a ring. That includes Steve Nash (sadly, one of my favorite players ever) Chris Webber, Pistol Pete, etc.

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CherryCokes
05/17/12 8:56:00 PM
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From: captaincanadian | #003
what did the ghost pirate Lechuck have to do with this game


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PrinceReva
05/17/12 9:20:00 PM
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You don't have to be clutch. Just not be the very opposite of clutch. Don't shy away in the biggest moment.

Don't know if you caught it, but before the game tonight on ESPN, they had posted the career postseason stats of MJ, LeBron and Kobe "on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime."

"In his playoff career, the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant is 7-for-27 on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime. That’s a field goal percentage of 25.9, which is below the league average of 27.2 percent, and pales in comparison to his teammates over that span." - ESPN.com

and in that segment on air tonight, they had shown that LeBron is roughly 33% and MJ was 41% in such situations. So, Kobe doesn't get any flak for being less clutch than LeBron, but having a few championships with his team mates makes him a better player?

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Westbrick
05/17/12 9:22:00 PM
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PrinceReva posted...
You don't have to be clutch. Just not be the very opposite of clutch. Don't shy away in the biggest moment.

Don't know if you caught it, but before the game tonight on ESPN, they had posted the career postseason stats of MJ, LeBron and Kobe "on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime."

"In his playoff career, the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant is 7-for-27 on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime. That’s a field goal percentage of 25.9, which is below the league average of 27.2 percent, and pales in comparison to his teammates over that span." - ESPN.com

and in that segment on air tonight, they had shown that LeBron is roughly 33% and MJ was 41% in such situations. So, Kobe doesn't get any flak for being less clutch than LeBron, but having a few championships with his team mates makes him a better player?


Why are you using numbers and logic to argue with this clown? We all know you're right.

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 9:24:00 PM
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From: PrinceReva | #022
You don't have to be clutch. Just not be the very opposite of clutch. Don't shy away in the biggest moment.

Don't know if you caught it, but before the game tonight on ESPN, they had posted the career postseason stats of MJ, LeBron and Kobe "on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime."

"In his playoff career, the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant is 7-for-27 on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime. That’s a field goal percentage of 25.9, which is below the league average of 27.2 percent, and pales in comparison to his teammates over that span." - ESPN.com

and in that segment on air tonight, they had shown that LeBron is roughly 33% and MJ was 41% in such situations. So, Kobe doesn't get any flak for being less clutch than LeBron, but having a few championships with his team mates makes him a better player?





This was argued on CatsPause today. Kobe is hard guarded (ridiculously hard guarded actually, last night for instance) in those instances, the rest of the league not so much, LeBrick even less. The other thing is, meaningless stat. There is way more to than final 24 seconds. Like the Final possession is the only one that matters in the fourth quarter.

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KommunistKoala
05/17/12 9:25:00 PM
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oh erty-

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 9:26:00 PM
#26:


From: Westbrick | #023
PrinceReva posted...
You don't have to be clutch. Just not be the very opposite of clutch. Don't shy away in the biggest moment.

Don't know if you caught it, but before the game tonight on ESPN, they had posted the career postseason stats of MJ, LeBron and Kobe "on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime."

"In his playoff career, the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant is 7-for-27 on game-tying or go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter and overtime. That’s a field goal percentage of 25.9, which is below the league average of 27.2 percent, and pales in comparison to his teammates over that span." - ESPN.com

and in that segment on air tonight, they had shown that LeBron is roughly 33% and MJ was 41% in such situations. So, Kobe doesn't get any flak for being less clutch than LeBron, but having a few championships with his team mates makes him a better player?


Why are you using numbers and logic to argue with this clown? We all know you're right.




Yes, and that is why SEVENTY NINE% of GM's and coaches in the NBA said they would have Kobe take the last shot when polled. They clearly don't know what they are talking about.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 9:29:00 PM
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Yes, and that is why SEVENTY NINE% of GM's and coaches in the NBA said they would have Kobe take the last shot when polled. They clearly don't know what they are talking about.

They really don't. Have you not noticed how many teams are awfully ran? 79% is almost the same percentage of bad GMs and coaches in the NBA.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 9:32:00 PM
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By the way, Kobe's clutch statistics ((4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points):

.361 FG%, .402 eFG% on 33.4 FGA per 48 minutes

LeBron James Clutch statistics:

.453 FG%, .492% eFG% on 28.7 FGA per 48 minutes

Kobe is definitely less clutch than LeBron.

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Emporer_Kazbar
05/17/12 9:32:00 PM
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From: TheRock1525 | #016
Derrick Rose isn't even in the playoffs anymore


I agree with the point your post made, but you can't hold a torn ACL against a guy.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 9:34:00 PM
#30:


Emporer_Kazbar posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #016
Derrick Rose isn't even in the playoffs anymore
I agree with the point your post made, but you can't hold a torn ACL against a guy.


I threw that in there because how can we judge Rose's "clutchness" if he's not even playing. Since, to MWC, that's all that matters.

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Emporer_Kazbar
05/17/12 9:37:00 PM
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OK that makes sense then.

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 9:39:00 PM
#32:


From: TheRock1525 | #028
By the way, Kobe's clutch statistics ((4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points):

.361 FG%, .402 eFG% on 33.4 FGA per 48 minutes

LeBron James Clutch statistics:

.453 FG%, .492% eFG% on 28.7 FGA per 48 minutes

Kobe is definitely less clutch than LeBron.




As I went over last night. 5 minutes 5 points is a stupid number. Also, with 5 minutes to go, alot of LeSuck's baskets are still wide open layups. Not fade away pull up jumpers while double teamed like Kobe.


Simply put. If you have one shot, and if he misses, YOU DIE, (so do they, to put pressure on them as well) Kobe or LeBrick on single coverage, a pull up midrange jumper who do you have shoot for you? Because that is the guy more clutch. If you pick LeBrick, you are a liar, or ******* and deserve what is about to happen to you as he clanks it off the back iron (hell, he STILL might pass, I could see him doing this)

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 9:53:00 PM
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Considering the fact that both Kobe and LeBron shot 41% from 10-23 feet this year, I'll take the guy who can also get to the rack and draw the foul (and also finishes at a better rate). Having more options > having one option, as shown by Kobe's sub-par clutch statistics.

So let's see: Kobe is shown to be less clutch in last second shots, Kobe is shown to be less clutch in clutch situations, and Kobe is no better at 10-23 foot shots than LeBron. I'll take LeBron every f***ing time. And Kobe should thank Gasol and Shaq for his rings.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 9:57:00 PM
#34:


By the way:

LeBron's jumper in clutch situations: .427 eFG%
Kobe's jumper in clutch situations: .388 eFG%

MWC you make yourself look so foolish like all the time. What's it like being so so so wrong?

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StealThisSheen
05/17/12 9:59:00 PM
#35:


I like how this topic went from typical "lol mwc" to Rock just bringing the hammer down with actual fact.



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14_and_counting
05/17/12 10:00:00 PM
#36:


From: TheRock1525 | #033
Considering the fact that both Kobe and LeBron shot 41% from 10-23 feet this year, I'll take the guy who can also get to the rack and draw the foul (and also finishes at a better rate). Having more options > having one option, as shown by Kobe's sub-par clutch statistics.

So let's see: Kobe is shown to be less clutch in last second shots, Kobe is shown to be less clutch in clutch situations, and Kobe is no better at 10-23 foot shots than LeBron. I'll take LeBron every f***ing time. And Kobe should thank Gasol and Shaq for his rings.




You really don't understand basketball, do you? LeBrick's Midrange numbers are about the same as Durrant and Kobe because of the way they are guarded. Thanks to no handchecking allowed anymore, as well as not being able to have Center's lie in wait to toss his ***, LePassive is guarded soft, to do everything they can to KEEP HIM OUT OF THE LANE. No one is scared of his mid range game (and why would they be, 40% with wide open looks). Now watch how Kobe and Durant are guarded. They are not even given one inch by the opposing player, because god in heaven if they get an open look from 15 to 18 feet consistently, they are dropping 40 on you that night.

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05/17/12 10:01:00 PM
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haha. MWC should become a politician

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05/17/12 10:02:00 PM
#38:


MWC had a good run, but his time over. Dude needs to know when to hang up his gym shorts as the game has passed him by.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 10:18:00 PM
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You really don't understand basketball, do you? LeBrick's Midrange numbers are about the same as Durrant and Kobe because of the way they are guarded. Thanks to no handchecking allowed anymore, as well as not being able to have Center's lie in wait to toss his ***, LePassive is guarded soft, to do everything they can to KEEP HIM OUT OF THE LANE. No one is scared of his mid range game (and why would they be, 40% with wide open looks). Now watch how Kobe and Durant are guarded. They are not even given one inch by the opposing player, because god in heaven if they get an open look from 15 to 18 feet consistently, they are dropping 40 on you that night.

This is what's so hilarious:

Who gives a rat's ass how they guard LeBron when comparing him to Kobe? It's about production. If Kobe is getting guarded tight and forced into tougher shots, that's because he's a less effective player at getting to the rack and getting to the line. 95% of his clutch shots came from the jumper. If you don't fear his drive, why WOULDN'T you play up on him? On the flip side, 64% of LeBron's shots came from the jumper, but 36% of them came from the inside. Where he has an eFG% of .609. Of course you're going to sag off him.

So, you'd rather take the guy who hits 39% of his shots nearly all of the time, or the guy who hits 43% of his shots two-thirds of the time, and 61% of his shots one-third of the time because, here's the kicker, the first guy gets guarded tougher. You want the tougher, less efficient shot because you hate LeBron that much.

You have absolutely no idea how stupid you sound, and it's either hilarious or sad. I don't know yet.

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 10:26:00 PM
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From: TheRock1525 | #039
You really don't understand basketball, do you? LeBrick's Midrange numbers are about the same as Durrant and Kobe because of the way they are guarded. Thanks to no handchecking allowed anymore, as well as not being able to have Center's lie in wait to toss his ***, LePassive is guarded soft, to do everything they can to KEEP HIM OUT OF THE LANE. No one is scared of his mid range game (and why would they be, 40% with wide open looks). Now watch how Kobe and Durant are guarded. They are not even given one inch by the opposing player, because god in heaven if they get an open look from 15 to 18 feet consistently, they are dropping 40 on you that night.

This is what's so hilarious:

Who gives a rat's ass how they guard LeBron when comparing him to Kobe? It's about production. If Kobe is getting guarded tight and forced into tougher shots, that's because he's a less effective player at getting to the rack and getting to the line. 95% of his clutch shots came from the jumper. If you don't fear his drive, why WOULDN'T you play up on him? On the flip side, 64% of LeBron's shots came from the jumper, but 36% of them came from the inside. Where he has an eFG% of .609. Of course you're going to sag off him.

So, you'd rather take the guy who hits 39% of his shots nearly all of the time, or the guy who hits 43% of his shots two-thirds of the time, and 61% of his shots one-third of the time because, here's the kicker, the first guy gets guarded tougher. You want the tougher, less efficient shot because you hate LeBron that much.

You have absolutely no idea how stupid you sound, and it's either hilarious or sad. I don't know yet.




Except he doesn't get that WHEN IT MATTERS. When was the last time you saw LeAirball get a layup or dunk in end of the game situations. He (if he decides to shoot, instead of pass as fast as humanly possible) has to take contested jumpers, which he doesn't hit, because he has no midrange game whatsoever.

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 10:28:00 PM
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Except he doesn't get that WHEN IT MATTERS.

Except he does. 36% of the time, too. You can't argue against this, it's literal fact.

You may as well be arguing the world is flat.

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14_and_counting
05/17/12 10:35:00 PM
#42:


From: TheRock1525 | #041
Except he doesn't get that WHEN IT MATTERS.

Except he does. 36% of the time, too. You can't argue against this, it's literal fact.

You may as well be arguing the world is flat.




In the last 5 minutes yes. But as I've made more than a little clear, no, he doesn't in the actual clutch, which is not 5 in 5 as True Hoop says it is taking every game in a vacuum. (Ridiculously ignorant). I ask again, in actual end game situation, when is the last time you saw him get a lay in or dunk. It doesn't happen, he shoot guarded mid range (which he can't hit) or step back 3's (LOL)

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TheRock1525
05/17/12 10:41:00 PM
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Here are some facts for you: of the 12 game winning/game tying shots that Lebron James attempted in the playoffs, 9 were either layups or shots within 5-7 feet of the basket. Of the 5 game winning/game tying shots that Lebron James successfully made, 4 were layups.

Since 2006: both Kobe and LeBron have attempted 12 game winning/tying shots in the playoffs. LeBron has hit 5. Kobe has hit 3. Kobe hasn't hit a game winning/tying shot since 2008, missing his last 7.

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05/17/12 10:42:00 PM
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TheRock1525
05/17/12 10:43:00 PM
#45:


MWC being Skip Bayless would make a lot of sense.

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StealThisSheen
05/17/12 10:46:00 PM
#46:


Okay, guys. But wait.

Look at it this way.

WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE TAKE YOUR FINAL SHOT if both are guarded and 18 feet away. But Kobe is actually Superman and LeBron is a fetus in a wheelchair.

LOLOL LESUCK



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TheRock1525
05/17/12 10:47:00 PM
#47:


You cannot stop me, Hack-Man!

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StealThisSheen
05/17/12 10:51:00 PM
#48:


Also, LeBron is being attacked by a pack of wolves.



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CherryCokes
05/18/12 12:23:00 AM
#49:


I appreciate Rock's attention to statistical detail

But if I've got to pick either Kobe or Lebron to take a jumper to save a baby's life, I'm taking Kobe, assuming all other variables are equal

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StealThisSheen
05/18/12 12:25:00 AM
#50:


Kobe is 3-17 in baby-saving shots this season, you know.



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