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---JAIME LANNISTER TIER OF TWINCEST, CHILD-CRIPPLING AND WESTEROS-TROLLING (Supporting Actors)---
There is no tier like the Jaime Lannister Tier of Twincest, Child-Crippling and Westeros-Trolling. There is only the Jaime Lannister Tier of Twincest, Child-Crippling and Westeros-Trolling.

Nothing much to say about this tier, aside from the usual stuff: actors on this tier are all exceedingly good, but miss out on the top spot simply by virtue of me liking the top 3 more. Please also note that this tier and the next one are actually fairly close to one another. Only #1 supporting really gets away from the pack, IMO. That said, who better to start the Jaime Lannister tier than...


8. Gwendoline Christie (Brienne of Tarth)

If you scroll the main topic back to my reactions on EP3, you might notice that my original reaction to Christie was “Dayum Brienne!!” Or something to that effect. I might have forgotten an exclamation mark or two.

That said, I fully consider this to be a thankless role. I don’t exactly like or hate Brienne either way in the books – I like the idea behind this character, but I still don’t really care for her. She’s complex and believable, sure, but she doesn’t really evolve in a particularly compelling way. Given that she’s not shown to be prone to complex emotions or deeply-ingrained character flaws, it’s hard to really make this character stand out (aside from being 7-feet tall, that is).

Well, Christie decided to spit on my misgivings about the character and turned out one hell of a performance! If I had to qualify her performance and take on the character, I’d say ‘force of nature.’ She brings so much energy to the role it’s absurd. Whether she’s fighting Loras on the tourney ground, acting distant and awkward around Catelyn or just slipping into rage when her king is killed, she’s brimming with strength and brutish force.

A lot of it is on the body language. Rewatch a few scenes if you would – namely the end of the tourney scene, after Renly has walked away to his tent and Catelyn is left with Brienne. See how she walks. That’s either a man, or a woman who’s very, very uncomfortable in her own skin. She raises a chin and never really lowers her head to look at Catelyn directly – normally, that’d just scream “arrogance.” Not with Christie, though; I don’t know what she does exactly (probably the awkward walk), but she projects lack of confidence instead. With just the way she walks and looks. That’s seriously impressive.

I could list many more examples than this throw-off scene, but I think that one set the tone rather well. I seriously cannot see how that woman would be anyone else than Brienne (I sometimes have trouble remembering that she’s actually played by an actress, instead of living and breathing on her own).

I might as well use this write-up to give a kudo to the makeup crew. That is some seriously amazing job.

Best scene: Renly’s death and the aftermath. Brienne absolutely loses her ****, basically turning into a wild animal, and Christie has that pegged down perfectly (never making it look forced - which happens so often when characters BSOD). That couldn’t have been easy for her.

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Theon's write-up was flawless. You hit the "Father Figure" thing perfectly and yet forgot to bring up something very important:

Go back and watch Episode 1, Season 1. Watch Theon as at the beheading. Listen to what he says. Then go watch his own beheading, how he feels inadequate in the role of the beheader because it's not really his judgment, because even though he has taken Winterfell he doesn't feel like a King.


Allen has performed admirably in every single scenario.

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does samwell really qualify as a lead actor?

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As much as I LOVED the Rodrik beheading scene, I have to say Alfie one upped himself in the finale, both with the talk with Luwin and the speech. My god.

I remember when his casting was first announced, I was worried they wouldn't do his character justice, and would write him as a "little b****" which was how most of the internet saw him anyway. Then I learned he was Brian Cogman's favorite character and felt a little better. And this season I couldn't be happier with how Alfie handled my own favorite character. I may consider his season 2 finale scenes to be the best acted part of the series, but that's a tall order.

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Bit of book talk about Theon

The best part is that I think he'll handle future Theon better than anything so far. I think his features will translate very well into Reek.

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Agreed.

When I read ADwD I found that watching the show did not alter my mental image of the characters. Except for Theon. I just couldn't picture anyone other than Alfie Allen.

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This topic is reminding me of the Gwendoline Christie nudes I saw on LL earlier today

*shudder*

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

This topic is reminding me of the Gwendoline Christie nudes I saw on LL earlier today

*shudder*

Lol yeah for some reason I randomly searched them a couple months ago. No idea why I searched.

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

This topic is reminding me of the Gwendoline Christie nudes I saw on LL earlier today

*shudder*

Lol yeah for some reason I randomly searched them a couple months ago. No idea why I searched.

WHY DOES SHE LOOK LIKE A SILENT HILL MONSTER?

WHY DID I LET CURIOSITY GET THE BETTER OF ME?!

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7. Rory McCann (Sandor “The Hound” Clegane)

The Hound already? Yep. Probably a bit too low for you guys, but I honestly can't rank him any higher than this.

This’ll be a weird write-up, because reaching #7 on this show is no small feat, given the quality of the acting pool; however, this is also a role with a ton of material, or at least enough to reach the top tier. Don’t get me wrong, though: McCann still did an amazing job with the character.

Let’s take care of the bad right away, so we can end on a high note. I think McCann’s greatest problem is that he’s a bit too passive. In the books, Clegane is a character absolutely brimming with energy – not exactly positive energy, mind you, but he harbours a lot of pent-up resentment towards the world in general. Whenever he talks to Sansa, or whenever he addresses Tyrion or even the King, he lets a bit of his resentment filter through, and it’s not pretty to look at. Fantastic character IMO.

The show cut quite a bit of his material, but they still left the character roughly the same. Thing is: McCann just isn’t bringing enough of the energy or resentment to the table to give out a fully satisfactory performance (says the guy with no acting experience, but hey). He remains mostly neutral and somewhat deadpan through the series (save for Blackwater, of course), which doesn’t really work that well for me.

It’s not a major mistake, however. He wouldn’t be so high if it were. McCann is still projecting some energy – it’s just that he should be projecting more. An example of a line that didn’t really work out for me: after he rescues Sansa from the mob, and Tyrion thanks him for his heroism, he says “I didn’t do it for you.” That’s a great line, which shows another side of him that we hadn’t be allowed to glance at until now. Thing is, McCann delivers it with mild irritation. Mild irritation is not enough: there should be traces of contempt in there as well, with some shades of resentment (I sound like a broken record, I know, but yeah).

On the other hand, McCann did deliver a very solid performance in Blackwater. Excellent on the wall with Tyrion, Lancel and Joffrey as they wait for the wildfire plan to come to fruition, excellent reaction to the explosion. I can’t do anything but praise his delivery of “Any of these flaming ****ing arrows come near me, I’ll strangle you with your guts” (not as easy a line as it seems, mixing fear and violence)... and of course, he completely stole that scene with Sansa at the end.

Not entirely sure about the “**** the King” line (great line, unsure about the somewhat deadpan delivery), but I’m guessing he wanted to play the “Sandor was shocked by all the fire everywhere”, which is legitimate, so I won’t hold that against him. Maybe Martin wrote it that way, too, and if that’s so, then he nailed it perfectly (and my take on the character was wrong).

You want the real Sandor, check out McCann’s audition. That was absolutely top-notch – had he done that all season, he would be sitting at #2.

Best scene: A conventional choice, but I’ll have to settle with the scene with Sansa at the end. Very powerful performance there. McCann particularly shines whenever he has to show his softer side.

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From: Solfadore | #214
The Hound already? Yep. Probably a bit too low for you guys, but I honestly can't rank him any higher than this.
Nah, if anything #7 is too high for him. Like you say, he doesn't have much energy on the show. Doesn't convey the sense of threat that the Hound should have.

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tbqh, I don't know why I put him so high in my list.

He does well with his material but he has no material.

Killing my chances here.

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That said, I fully consider this to be a thankless role. I don’t exactly like or hate Brienne either way in the books – I like the idea behind this character, but I still don’t really care for her. She’s complex and believable, sure, but she doesn’t really evolve in a particularly compelling way. Given that she’s not shown to be prone to complex emotions or deeply-ingrained character flaws, it’s hard to really make this character stand out (aside from being 7-feet tall, that is).

Gotta disagree with there. Brienne is basically Sansa, if she had the Sandor's ugliness and strength. In the books she had never killed before she hits the road with Jaime and she has all kinds of romantic notions of knights in her head. Course in the books, Jaime wasn't around all that much for the first two books, his trolling Westeros attidute that the TV series empathises is primarily derived from his interactions with Brienne. In the show that's well trodded territory by now and Brienne is more set up as the perfect way to throw his notions in his face instead. And a kickass one-woman killing machine in addition.

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Man, I could have sworn she killed the people in the tent when Renly died (though in self defense) but it appears on a reread that she only maimed them.

That said, Brienne is my least favorite PoV character in the books.

BOOK SPOILERS
There are two main complaints I have about PoV characters.

1.) They aren't enjoyable to be in the head of.
Brienne is annoying/frustrating/boring to "listen" to, fitting into the mold of characters like Sam and early Sansa who I just don't want to have to listen to.

2.) Nothing worthwhile happens around them.
The reason both early Sansa and Sam rank higher for me is because their PoVs have interesting stuff happening around or too them. Sansa has direwolves attacking Joff, the Hound's story and the Tournament, and finally after everything she ends up with Chessmaster Littlefinger. Meanwhile, Sam kills an other, kills a wight, sees Mormont die, and then hangs out with Aemon (giving us some cool tidbits) and sees Braavos and the Citadel. He even unknowingly sees Jaqen.

Nobody proves the "surroundings can save a PoV" more than Areo Hotah. The guy has negligible personality, but he's our eyes on Dorne.

But in Feast, we know that Brienne is on a fool's errand, and until her final two chapters she doesn't really do anything significant to the plot. It's so much worse because we KNOW that nothing she does is going to be meaningful. Instead, her chapters just drag on on meaninglessly with such all star characters as Podrick Payne (who for some reason a lot of peoploe are fans of, is it just because he saved Tyrion?) giving us "worldbuilding" that is ultimately unsatisfying.

I was okay with Brienne in Storm. She was a well written character and understandable. She continues to be well-written and understandable in Feast, but being a developed character does not make her enjoyable, and I liked her a hell of a lot less as soon as she got that PoV.


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Solfadore posted...

You want the real Sandor, check out McCann’s audition. That was absolutely top-notch – had he done that all season, he would be sitting at #2.

This so much. Can't blame the actor when he's shown he's capable of this:



Honestly, I'm hoping the writers give him more of a chance to shine in the third season. They certainly have the opportunity to go all-out full-throttle Hound when he's with Arya.

I always f***ing forget whether I'm in spoiler topics or not. My apologies.

Drafting write-up for Lead #4 as of right now.

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Dem points
- Eeeevil Overlord scores another point with Headey (whom he had as #5). His three top picks have still yet to appear, which means he's in the running for a nice bonus score. He did take a hit with the Hound, however.

- Alec scores a point with Headey (who he had at a perfect #4, although he lost the chance at a bonus point by having Allen as #3). Also lost a point (potentially three) with the Hound, however.

- LOTM gets a point as well (having her at #5). Lost one point with Jaime and a shot at a bonus point with Theon as #3, but aside from that, he's still in good shape.

- Marquess scores another point (Headey being #3), although he loses a shot at bonus points from #3. He's still good to go as far as supporting actors are concerned!

- Another hit for Kaxon, who just isn't doing too good at the moment. It's not too late for a comeback, but he'd have to be pretty much perfect from here on out.

- Rex is pretty much in the same situation as Marquess, except he had Theon as #1, which might hurt him a lot in the long run. Guess we'll just have to wait and see!

2 points: EO, Alec, LOTM, Marquess, Rex
0 point: Kaxon

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4. Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister)

Sophie Turner aside, Headey wins a medal for best improvement from Season 1 to Season 2 – and that’s saying something, since she was pretty high on my list already (cracking the S1 top 10, anyway, which is more than I can say for S1 Turner). If S1 Lena was definitely solid, S2 Headey is just incredible. Sure, she’s got more material.... way more material. It’s not exactly easy material, though, and either you take it head-on and do something magnificent, or you choke horribly. Headey turned out magnificent.

Cersei is hard to portray because a lot of her lines seemingly call for ham (check TVTropes is you don’t know what ham is, and come back once you’ve lost the mandatory three hours), but actually will work much better with a downplayed performance, which is exactly what Headey gunned for.

Let’s take an example, so I can show you exactly how goddamn great she is when it comes to downplayed and subtle performance. Open this for me:



That’s a scene from EP1 as Tyrion barges into a Small Council meeting. Skip to 3:30, as Cersei relents and lets Tyrion assume the role of Hand in their father’s stead. “You’re only here to advise [the King],” she says. Sure, says Tyrion, "and if the King listens to me, he might get his uncle Jaime back." Now watch her. Watch her face. I’ll help you: it’s from 3:43 to 3:47.

This is incredible. Stannis’s smile when talking to Davos was glorious, this is simply amazing as well. She just raises her eyes a bit and stares in the distance. That defines Cersei perfectly. You can see that she cares a lot – a lot – for Jaime, and desperately wants him back, but she also doesn’t want to show weakness to Tyrion, and thus equally desperately tries to remain expressionless. It’s nothing – just her moving her eyes a bit – but magnificent.

I could cite a ton of examples as well, as she brought that kind of crazy performance almost every week. I don’t think I have to say anything regarding Blackwater, as she was again incredibly solid in that one (I don’t know whether I’d choose her drunken scene with Sansa or the final scene with Tommen as my favourite). I might as well mention the scene where she slaps Joffrey, just because you can see that she’s plainly at a loss – and perhaps even a bit afraid – after Joffrey’s less-than-amiable reaction.

What a solid performance. What a goddamn solid performance.

Best scene: Gonna settle for one of these two from Blackwater, although I maintain that the single “How?” from EP1 (aka the scene I talked about earlier) was the single best-delivered line/awkward moment of the entire season for me. Okay, maybe not the best – I’m sure I can think of something else from one of my very top actors, but still. It was superbly delivered. Maybe Headey might just make a certain tedious part of the series enjoyable to watch (book readers will understand).

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When you rank the Game of Thrones, you bump or it purges.

I might have to rewatch a few scenes for #6, just to make sure I have them in the right spot.

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Lena was the actress I was most disappointed with in season 1 but she jumped to near the top in season 2. She was especially amazing at the end of Blackwater.

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Solfadore posted...

4. Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister)

Now watch her. Watch her face.

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From: FFDragon | #227
Solfadore posted...

4. Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister)

Now watch her. Watch her face.

#8 at the top:


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This is our first major disagreement in awhile, Solf.

Lena Headey has carried King's Landing for 2 seasons. Not participated in, CARRIED.

Why is Ned such a sympathetic dope? Because Cersei is so clearly superior at the game and so ruthlessly efficient that she helps Ned be a good guy even though he doesn't deserve the title of sympathetic nor dopey.

Why does King Robert seem like an interesting, relate-able guy even though he's a fat, womanizing, abusive drunkard? Cersei Lannister gives him character. When they fight she makes him seem more interesting by proxy. When she waxes nostalgic, she makes him feel like a deeper character by her passion alone. She makes him seem an average joe which might the greatest feat of hers.


Why does Tyrion step his game up, why does Sansa shut down, why does Joffrey lose his head, why does Lancel get screentime, why does King Landing manage to be luminescent and gloomy at the same time? Cersei. Cersei. Cersei.

I try and judge characters and the actors portraying them by how they would succeed if they had to carry the emotional weight of of a scene in another actor's shoes. Could anyone else on this show pull off the Charismatic Nihilism of Cersei in Blackwater? Yeah, one other character pulled the very thing off this season and that person is only one I'd place above Lena.

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You said lose his head and you weren't talking about Ned Stark.

Man, what a missed chance.

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Cersei is one of my favorite characters in the series (yes, I even love her POVs in Feast). Lena Headey portrays her PERFECTLY. I know it wouldn't necessarily be a popular choice, but were I to do a list like this, she'd be my #1.

Cersei actually isn't that good at the Game. She's better than Ned Stark, sure, who's being completely crippled by his sense of honor, but Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger are all far more clever than her; all throughout season 2 Tyrion consistently has the upper hand. She certainly thinks she's good at the game, though.

That isn't to say that Headley's not a great actress; she definitely brought her A game this season, particularly in Blackwater.

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Yeah to think of all of the disadvantages Tyrion has but what he did Tyrion is amazing at playing the game, and he god crushes Cersei.

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Tyrion is not better. Would you like to know why?

He's not ruthless. There are lines he WON'T cross. Cersei would have murdered Pycelle if she was in Tyrion's place. No one gets the best of her. NO ONE.

Cersei tried to have her own brother murdered to protect the valor of her son. Tyrion, so far, has not shown this level of dedication, though Shea might bring it out of him.

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Cersei being born not a dwarf is her only advantage. Tyrion's compassion is a strength in reality, he just is not in a position to exercise his strength fully.

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The amazing thing about Cersei though is that she actually does have a strict moral code that she adheres to. It's ruthlessly brutal, yes, and it doesn't fit in with any sort of realistic moral code that anybody could or should be expected to follow, but it is there and she abides by it strictly. She's one of the most wonderfully well-crafted characters in the series, to be honest, and it's sad that she doesn't get more respect than she does. And I'd say she's damn good at the game - SHORT term. Her biggest problem is she never takes any sort of long term plan into account and it comes back around.

I don't think Cersei isthat good at the game at all. She's willing to go to far greater lengths than Tyrion which makes her very dangerous, but she lacks one thing Tyrion has; empathy. She can't understand other people and honestly doesn't want to. This is crippling when the purpose of the Game of Thrones is to rule over people. This is something Cersei has completely forgotten and ignored. She doesn't care about the smallfolk. It'd be possible to rule very effectively over them with that regard, there are certainly other powerful people who could do very well while sharing that feeling (her father particularly). But it's not just that she doesn't care about their well being, she doesn't care about using or manipulating them. She thinks they are some collection of ants that are so far beneath her they don't matter, which is wrong. They are the kingdom.

The riot that almost got Joffrey and everybody else killed is direct result of Joffrey and Cersei completely neglecting the people.


Cersei even once said, "That's what ruling is. Lying on a bed of weeds, ripping them out before they strangle you in your sleep." That is a clear indication she is not a pro at the game. It means she understands that it's a dangerous game and you need to watch for threats and deal with them, but that's not a lasting rule. If all you are doing is killing and threatening everybody that crosses your path, you will end up being bested by them at some point. You won't inspire any loyalty or good will; all you do is make more enemies. It's a very poisonous approach and it's why she's not very good.

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Cly nails it

i do have to disagree slightly with KBM saying Lena plays a perfect Cersei

book Cersei is actually flirty and less threatening

but i'm cool with the Cersei we have on the show!

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From: Vengeful_KBM | #232
Cersei is one of my favorite characters in the series (yes, I even love her POVs in Feast). Lena Headey portrays her PERFECTLY. I know it wouldn't necessarily be a popular choice, but were I to do a list like this, she'd be my #1.
Her POV's in feast were literally the best part of the book. It seems like hers was the only plot that advanced that whole book.

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Are you KIDDING me. Cersei lacks empathy?

Go watch Season 1 Episode 2 where she consoles Caitlyn Stark after having her kid pushed from a ledge. Cersei's understanding of human emotion is her greatest strength. She knows how to work people over, how to manipulate them.

Tyrion ends the season with a scarred face and no position. Cersei is even stronger than before. Her being a woman only makes her skills more potent because people underestimate her naturally.

And here's my final and biggest point. Her own brother, Tyrion, the one guy who seemed to never underestimate her, was shocked that she tried to have him killed. He didn't see it coming because he while he was focusing on winning the battle, Cersei was plotting what would happen AFTER, win or lose. If they lost, Tyrion and her son would be dead and she was ready to appease Stannis however possible. If they won, she knew Tyrion would gain too much strength and power so she had a plan for that, too.

She's played the game flawlessly and her only slip up so far is Shea.

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i'll have to give you that point about Cersei consoling Catelyn but that was a one off thing

and we have to remember it wasn't even borne out of real empathy since she was totally ok with Jaime pushing Bran off the ledge

she only did that to cover up her tracks because Bran didn't die!

but i do have to say that show Cersei has been shown to be more emotionally vulnerable than book Cersei (that scene wasn't in the books IIRC)

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You have got to be joking. Cersei had no clue about the battle itself or what to do after.


She completely ruined the war effort by bringing Joffrey inside and destroying morale. This is because she wanted him safe. Except if the battle is lost (honestly it's complete luck that they didn't after that maneuver) Joffrey will be killed anyways. The only chance was for him to lead the army to glory and she ruined that.

She didn't want her son hurt. Except.... she was going to kill Tommen herself.


Complete idiocy. She doesn't have a clue what she's doing anymore.

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And this is the brilliance of Lena Headey and Cersei. The subtlety is so distinct that her brilliance is passed off as stupidity.

Cersei's one defining strength is her compassion for her children. Her conversation with Catelyn was so good because she was both covering her tracks AND genuinely empathetic. She had lost a kid and knew how it felt. She TRULY felt for Catelyn Stark. You could see it all over her face.

She pulled Joffrey off the wall because she Lancel told her things were going poorly and she knows her son very well. She knew if Stannis won that none of her kids would be allowed to survive. They would get Targaryen'd and she would rather kill them herself because she loves them.

And even through all of that, while she was contemplating all of this, she had the foresight to try and have Tyrion killed,a plan that was in place even before the battle began.

She plays the game so ruthlessly that you think she's blindly enraged. She's not. She knows people are weeds and eventually they either need to be controlled(Pycelle) or pruned(Tyrion).

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Cersei is horrible at the game.

1. Sansa looks up to Cersei as a rolemodel even after Ned was imprisoned. She doesn't anymore for no other reason then Cersei decided to give up on trying to control her that way. This is not a disadvantage.
2. Cersei is the Queen-Regent, the lawful ruler on the realm. She could not stop Joffrey, a boy she had known his entire life from making the call tokill Ned, this was her fault. Entirely. She has all power she required to stop him but as Tyrion says, Joff knows she won't do **** against him.
3. Barristan is the last real hero of the Seven Kingdoms. The people look up to him. Cersei decided to break the rules and have him dismissed for no real benefit. And then he declared against them in the middle of the thronerookm and escaped the city.
4. Tyrion NEVER wanted Joffrey dead. Cersei refuses to understand this and for the sake of her children decides to kill him when he is trying to save the city.
5. Joffrey was in minimal danger on the wall of the city. Having him get scurried off to his bedroom greatly increased the possibility that thecity might fall.

Cersei has ruthlessness, no enemy she has her sights on has much hope of success while she's around because she'll go to no lengths to take them down no matter how suicidally stupid it is when looking at her own interests. Luckily she can get away with it because Tywin, Tyrion and (to a certain degree) Petyr are still looking out for her.

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From: TheConductorSix | #244

And this is the brilliance of Lena Headey and Cersei. The subtlety is so distinct that her brilliance is passed off as stupidity.

Cersei's one defining strength is her compassion for her children. Her conversation with Catelyn was so good because she was both covering her tracks AND genuinely empathetic. She had lost a kid and knew how it felt. She TRULY felt for Catelyn Stark. You could see it all over her face.

She pulled Joffrey off the wall because she Lancel told her things were going poorly and she knows her son very well. She knew if Stannis won that none of her kids would be allowed to survive. They would get Targaryen'd and she would rather kill them herself because she loves them.

And even through all of that, while she was contemplating all of this, she had the foresight to try and have Tyrion killed,a plan that was in place even before the battle began.

She plays the game so ruthlessly that you think she's blindly enraged. She's not. She knows people are weeds and eventually they either need to be controlled(Pycelle) or pruned(Tyrion).

Uhhh, you do realize that the kid she told Cat about was an abortion right? She didn't want to have any of Robert's babbys

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Looking through the topic, has the Dragon been covered yet? Is he #1? No one touches the dragon.

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From: Psycho_Kenshin | #247

Looking through the topic, has the Dragon been covered yet? Is he #1? No one touches the dragon.

Don't even mention it, you'll might wake the Dragon.

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What part of abortion does "lost a kid" not cover? You do realize women get attached to their children even before they exit the womb....right?

Cersei is horrible at the game.

1. Sansa looks up to Cersei as a rolemodel even after Ned was imprisoned. She doesn't anymore for no other reason then Cersei decided to give up on trying to control her that way. This is not a disadvantage.
2. Cersei is the Queen-Regent, the lawful ruler on the realm. She could not stop Joffrey, a boy she had known his entire life from making the call tokill Ned, this was her fault. Entirely. She has all power she required to stop him but as Tyrion says, Joff knows she won't do **** against him.
3. Barristan is the last real hero of the Seven Kingdoms. The people look up to him. Cersei decided to break the rules and have him dismissed for no real benefit. And then he declared against them in the middle of the thronerookm and escaped the city.
4. Tyrion NEVER wanted Joffrey dead. Cersei refuses to understand this and for the sake of her children decides to kill him when he is trying to save the city.
5. Joffrey was in minimal danger on the wall of the city. Having him get scurried off to his bedroom greatly increased the possibility that thecity might fall.

Cersei has ruthlessness, no enemy she has her sights on has much hope of success while she's around because she'll go to no lengths to take them down no matter how suicidally stupid it is when looking at her own interests. Luckily she can get away with it because Tywin, Tyrion and (to a certain degree) Petyr are still looking out for her.

1. You severely underestimate Sansa. Cersei stopped controlling her because the shine wore off for Sansa. After your betrothed shows you your dad's head, the puppy love dies.

2. King Joffrey>Queen Regent. He could have her slapped in public if he wanted to. Plus, if she corrects him in public that would COMPLETELY undermine him in front of his people. Be smart here. This is a terrible point.



I was going to keep responding but each of your points was successfully worse than the last. You're not dumb, but you seem to lack an understanding of character motivations.

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If it was Tywin there instead of Cersei Joffrey wouldn't have dared.
He slapped Cersei because he knew he could get away with it.

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