Board 8 > Nickelodeon is apparently in some trouble.

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AlphaRayAllen
06/15/12 5:09:00 PM
#1:


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/nickelodeon-viacom-336290

They do express some concern over other networks, but Nick is the focus of the article.

Frankly, I'm surprised that this hadn't come up earlier. I swear that on average Nickelodeon's programming over the course of the week is 70% Spongebob, 25% live action stuff like iCarly/Victorious and 5% other.

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GenesisSaga
06/15/12 5:21:00 PM
#2:


^I've noticed.

One day I was flipping through Nickelodeon's guide of upcoming programs and what I saw nearly broke my damn heart.

Spongebob, Spongebob, Spongebob, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, Fairly Oddparents, Fanboy & Chum-Chum, iCarly, Victorious, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, repeat ad nauseum.

I grew up with Rugrats, Catdog, Wild Thornberries, Hey Arnold, Rocko's Modern Life, etc. Even the shows I wasn't too big on (Rocket Power and a few others) provided a little variety. I just feel so bad for the children who get to grow up in this generation of icky live action and animated reruns with NO variety. Sad...

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AlphaRayAllen
06/15/12 5:29:00 PM
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To me it has nothing to do with the live action shows or whatever being bad. To be honest, they're guilty pleasures of mine.

But Nickelodeon has been bad about their programming forever because Spongebob, FOP, iCarly, etc. have been carrying the network for so long. Spongebob still probably makes a fortune in merchandising. They've had a very "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude about the whole thing for the better part of a decade now, and now that Spongebob isn't producing new episodes with any regularity, if at all, and all of their other shows have already ended, they've hit a brick wall. The advertisement for their new stuff is minimal and are strewn about Spongebob and iCarly reruns. Streaming and services like Netflix are factors, sure, but there's so much more to it than that.

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Silvercross
06/15/12 5:35:00 PM
#4:


Even though there's still a good amount of **** on it, Cartoon Network is the place to go for good cartoons now.

Adventure Time
Regular Show
Gumball

All of those are top tier, some of the best cartoons I've ever watched.

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MarvelousGerbil
06/15/12 5:35:00 PM
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I feel bad that nobody I knew even realized Avatar existed until Mako died. Nick had been that bad for that long that nobody expected an amazing show to pop up on it.

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YetAnothrShadow
06/15/12 5:36:00 PM
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Regular Show is above top tier quite frankly.

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20three
06/15/12 5:40:00 PM
#7:


While I have Netflix, I never bother to watch the real nick.

There's no reason, good reruns of spongebob instead of the new toenail ripping out crap, drake and josh instead of icarly, and ren and stimpy instead of fanboy and chumchum/tuff puppy. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

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whatisurnameplz
06/15/12 5:41:00 PM
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I stopped watching nickelodeon, cartoon network, and disney some time during 5th or 6th grade (about 7 years ago) because my sister said that nobody my age watched cartoons anymore (that and the cartoons got much worse during that time). I don't really watch TV much except for sports now.

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WazzupGenius00
06/15/12 5:41:00 PM
#9:


Do they even rerun Avatar or Korra during the weekday?

Seems like a no-brainer to me with all the success Korra's had on the weekend, but whenever I happen to look at their lineup when I'm at my sister's house watching my niece I never see it on.

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Pirateking2000
06/15/12 5:54:00 PM
#10:


GenesisSaga posted...
^I've noticed.

One day I was flipping through Nickelodeon's guide of upcoming programs and what I saw nearly broke my damn heart.

Spongebob, Spongebob, Spongebob, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, Fairly Oddparents, Fanboy & Chum-Chum, iCarly, Victorious, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, repeat ad nauseum.

I grew up with Rugrats, Catdog, Wild Thornberries, Hey Arnold, Rocko's Modern Life, etc. Even the shows I wasn't too big on (Rocket Power and a few others) provided a little variety. I just feel so bad for the children who get to grow up in this generation of icky live action and animated reruns with NO variety. Sad...


indeed 90s Nick FTW

also Fanboy and Chum-Chum...why is it whenever I stumble upon that I want the gamer guy to beat the **** out of them

well there is still Nicktoons and that 90s Nick block

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KokoroAkechi
06/15/12 6:00:00 PM
#11:


Holy crap they are still making NEW episodes of Fairly Odd Parents?

Also, icarly is not a bad show...

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Pirateking2000
06/15/12 6:01:00 PM
#12:


KokoroAkechi posted...
Holy crap they are still making NEW episodes of Fairly Odd Parents?

Also, icarly is not a bad show...


I thought it ended after the live action movie thing

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tereziWright
06/15/12 10:05:00 PM
#13:


Nickelodean has been dead for a while. Frankfully I'm surprised they're even showing Korra.

Cartoon Network has DC Nation, Adventure Time, and Regular Show, as well as the late night stuff. Can't be beat.

Disney had the awesome Marvel cartoons, but they've cancelled all those and are replacing them with s***ty Marvel cartoons, so....I guess maybe that Tron cartoon?

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Meow1000
06/15/12 10:09:00 PM
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MarvelousGerbil posted...
I feel bad that nobody I knew even realized Avatar existed until Mako died. Nick had been that bad for that long that nobody expected an amazing show to pop up on it.



I didn't know what Avatar was until I played a game with it as the theme, because I hadn't gone near that network in years.

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Pirateking2000
06/15/12 10:10:00 PM
#15:


tereziWright posted...
Nickelodean has been dead for a while. Frankfully I'm surprised they're even showing Korra.

Cartoon Network has DC Nation, Adventure Time, and Regular Show, as well as the late night stuff. Can't be beat.

Disney had the awesome Marvel cartoons, but they've cancelled all those and are replacing them with s***ty Marvel cartoons, so....I guess maybe that Tron cartoon?


Its got Motorcity as well

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Meow1000
06/15/12 10:10:00 PM
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whatisurnameplz posted...
I stopped watching nickelodeon, cartoon network, and disney some time during 5th or 6th grade (about 7 years ago) because my sister said that nobody my age watched cartoons anymore (that and the cartoons got much worse during that time). I don't really watch TV much except for sports now.




Actually this sounds about right for me, though probably for just a little longer.

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WazzupGenius00
06/15/12 10:29:00 PM
#17:


Pirateking2000 posted...
KokoroAkechi posted...
Holy crap they are still making NEW episodes of Fairly Odd Parents?

Also, icarly is not a bad show...


I thought it ended after the live action movie thing


I think when it was first announced it was supposed to end there, but it's still going

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foolm0ron
06/15/12 10:34:00 PM
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The real issue here is that TV networks still judge things based on the Nielsen ratings. This is even worse than the NPD which doesn't track digital sales.

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ZeroSignal620
06/16/12 7:40:00 AM
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Just looked at Nick's schedule today. Between noon and 10 PM, there's a whopping SIX shows on. Power Rangers Samurai, an hour of Kung Fu Panda, an hour of Figure It Out, 2 hours each of Victorious and ICarly, and 2.5 hours of Spongebob.

Surely I don't recall Nick being THIS redundant in the 90s.

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GenesisSaga
06/16/12 7:46:00 AM
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^It's because it wasn't.

I don't think Nick even lost the license to air their glory day lineup, it's just that they'd rather charge extra for those shows and air them on a premium channel instead. Dickwads.
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CeraSeptem
06/16/12 7:48:00 AM
#21:


Do they even rerun Avatar or Korra during the weekday?

I don't think so. When it first started and I missed like the first few episodes I tried to DVR them so I found them in the guide and recorded.

When the day came and I tried to watch them, they were actually Spongebob reruns.

I was not excited.

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MarvelousGerbil
06/16/12 12:01:00 PM
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tee316
06/16/12 12:20:00 PM
#23:


Yea, outside of the first week of Korra they haven't replayed it. I have no idea why, they could easily replace a few iCarlys and Spongebobs with a rerun of Korra.

I know on the Toon Nick channel they are always airing Dragonball Z Kai and Aang's Avatar series.

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shadosneko
06/16/12 12:23:00 PM
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From: ZeroSignal620 | #019
an hour of Figure It Out

Channel redeemed. Next.

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XIII_rocks
06/16/12 12:24:00 PM
#25:


I will always treasure the time I got gunged

Even if Nick goes under, I will always have that.

Oh and the cow song when it went off the air

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ZeroSignal620
06/16/12 2:01:00 PM
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From: shadosneko | #024
Channel redeemed. Next.


If it were the late 90s version, I'd consider this. But it's not.

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Jeff Zero
06/16/12 2:01:00 PM
#27:


Their ratings have been down almost across the board for several months, so this doesn't really surprise me.

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TheConductorSix
06/16/12 2:18:00 PM
#28:


Yeah. This isn't just a nostalgia thing, Nickelodeon in the 90s was a Golden Age of cartoons. Not only were they good but there was a variety of shows. Even shows like Rocket Power were enjoyable. Then we had the Secret World of Alex Mack(everyone's first celebrity crush).

Spongebob is a great show. It really is. It's funny, charming, full of adult humor disguised as childish antics, and its characters are endearing. Fairly Oddparents died out a LONG time ago. Avatar felt like a step in the right direction but they seem ok with having 1-2 premiere shows and not following up.

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MarvelousGerbil
06/16/12 2:27:00 PM
#29:


If Spongebob were out during Rocko, Zim, and Ren & Stimpy, I doubt I'd even remember it.

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ctesjbuvf
06/16/12 2:29:00 PM
#30:


Cartoon Network is definitely the place to go. Korra is a great show, but that's pretty much it. Stuff like SpongeBob is way past the expire date when it comes to premieres imo. CN has Total Drama, Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated, Young Justice and Regular Show, and some other great ones, even though they're not perfect.

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LeonhartFour
06/16/12 2:29:00 PM
#31:


From: TheConductorSix | #028
(everyone's first celebrity crush)

LOL

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Pirateking2000
06/16/12 2:45:00 PM
#32:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Cartoon Network is definitely the place to go. Korra is a great show, but that's pretty much it. Stuff like SpongeBob is way past the expire date when it comes to premieres imo. CN has Total Drama, Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated, Young Justice and Regular Show, and some other great ones, even though they're not perfect.


Also Adventure Time

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TheConductorSix
06/16/12 2:47:00 PM
#33:


Yeah.

Adventure Time crushes anything Nickelodeon has put out besides the first Avatar.

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ZeroSignal620
06/16/12 2:57:00 PM
#34:


From: TheConductorSix | #028
Yeah. This isn't just a nostalgia thing, Nickelodeon in the 90s was a Golden Age of cartoons.


Not just that, but there were tons of non-cartoon shows to choose from, whether it be...

Game shows (Double Dare, Family Double Dare, Legends of the Hidden Temple, Nick Arcade, Wild and Crazy Kids, What Would You Do, GUTS)

or the rest/sitcoms I suppose (Salute Your Shorts, Pete and Pete, Secret World of Alex Mack, Welcome Freshmen, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Clarissa Explains It All, All That, Fifteen, Roundhouse, Hey Dude, My Brother and Me, among several others)

Spongebob is a great show. It really is. It's funny, charming, full of adult humor disguised as childish antics, and its characters are endearing.


Maybe it's just me, but I'm a little annoyed by Spongebob. Not to mention the well has been run dry for that show and needs to just be done.

Then we had the Secret World of Alex Mack(everyone's first celebrity crush).


This is something we can all agree on.

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Emporer_Kazbar
06/16/12 3:06:00 PM
#35:


From: TheConductorSix | #028
Yeah. This isn't just a nostalgia thing, Nickelodeon in the 90s was a Golden Age of cartoons. Not only were they good but there was a variety of shows. Even shows like Rocket Power were enjoyable. Then we had the Secret World of Alex Mack(everyone's first celebrity crush).


You should start watching TeenNick late at night. They have a program block just for you.

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__Smurf__
06/16/12 3:14:00 PM
#36:


Yeah had got the impression that Nick hasn't been that big of a deal for the past 10 years.

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Pirateking2000
06/16/12 3:25:00 PM
#37:


Emporer_Kazbar posted...
From: TheConductorSix | #028
Yeah. This isn't just a nostalgia thing, Nickelodeon in the 90s was a Golden Age of cartoons. Not only were they good but there was a variety of shows. Even shows like Rocket Power were enjoyable. Then we had the Secret World of Alex Mack(everyone's first celebrity crush).


You should start watching TeenNick late at night. They have a program block just for you.


Yeah 90s Nick block

Doug Rugrats Hey Arnold Kenan and Kel etc ^_^

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pjbasis
06/16/12 3:46:00 PM
#38:


I haven't watched Nick in years, but Spongebob was a great show.

Fairly Oddparents was pretty good too.

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Erugios
06/16/12 3:52:00 PM
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I never watched Nickolodeon cartoons. I thought the art styles were really ugly, especially stuff like Hey Arnold.

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TimJab
06/16/12 3:55:00 PM
#40:


From: GenesisSaga | #002
^I've noticed.

One day I was flipping through Nickelodeon's guide of upcoming programs and what I saw nearly broke my damn heart.

Spongebob, Spongebob, Spongebob, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, Fairly Oddparents, Fanboy & Chum-Chum, iCarly, Victorious, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, repeat ad nauseum.

I grew up with Rugrats, Catdog, Wild Thornberries, Hey Arnold, Rocko's Modern Life, etc. Even the shows I wasn't too big on (Rocket Power and a few others) provided a little variety. I just feel so bad for the children who get to grow up in this generation of icky live action and animated reruns with NO variety. Sad...


I hate when people talk about this. Maybe it seemed like cartoons were better (besides the rose-colored nostalgia glasses we wear) when we were kids because we were the target audience? Rugrats sucked and Spongebob is hilarious.

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shadosneko
06/16/12 4:15:00 PM
#41:


From: TimJab | #040
I hate when people talk about this. Maybe it seemed like cartoons were better (besides the rose-colored nostalgia glasses we wear) when we were kids because we were the target audience? Rugrats sucked and Spongebob is hilarious.

I've been watching the 90s Are All That block, and I still quite enjoy a lot of the old shows.

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CeraSeptem
06/16/12 4:18:00 PM
#42:


To be fair, most cartoons now are quite bad.

I mean, when I was a kid we had some major stinkers too, but seriously cartoons are so bad these days. The good ones almost always get canceled.

Of course my favorite ones are still the super super old looney tunes, but that's just me. Now that was the golden age man.

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Emporer_Kazbar
06/16/12 4:42:00 PM
#43:


From: Erugios | #039
I never watched Nickolodeon cartoons. I thought the art styles were really ugly, especially stuff like Hey Arnold.


Hey Arnold was one of the only good looking Nicktoons, TBQH.

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Lieutenant Kettch
06/16/12 4:49:00 PM
#44:


As long as Avatar's creators find a home, I couldn't care less what happens to Nick.

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AlphaRayAllen
06/16/12 4:50:00 PM
#45:


From: TimJab | #040
I hate when people talk about this. Maybe it seemed like cartoons were better (besides the rose-colored nostalgia glasses we wear) when we were kids because we were the target audience? Rugrats sucked and Spongebob is hilarious.

She's talking about the complete lack of variety in Nickelodeon's line-up, that she brought up 90s cartoons is just an example. Regardless of your opinion on those shows, you can't argue that they didn't offer something different.

These days, Nick's programming consists almost entirely of Spongebob reruns, a Butch Hartman animated series, and two Dan Schneider productions. That's it.

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KokoroAkechi
06/16/12 5:03:00 PM
#46:


Out of curiosity I looked at cartoons from the 90s, 00s, and come uo with...

90s
1. Animaniacs
2. Tiny Toon Adventures
3. Doug
4. Batman: The Animated Series
5. Rocko's Modern Life
6. Kablam
7. Recess
8. ReBoot
9. Pinky and the Brain
10. Hey Arnold

00s
1. Avatar: The Last Airbender
2. Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
3. Kim Possible
4. Invader Zim
5. Teen Titans
6. Codename: Kids Next Door
7. The Weekenders
8. Total Drama Island
9. The Fairly Odd Parents
10. The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy

And then I ask myself which set would I rather watch, and it's pretty hard to choose.

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SmartMuffin
06/16/12 5:03:00 PM
#47:


Uh, you watch the list that Animaniacs is on, even if 2-10 are complete crap.

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MarvelousGerbil
06/16/12 5:43:00 PM
#48:


Switch Arnold out for Zim and Doug out for Avatar.

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ctesjbuvf
06/16/12 5:53:00 PM
#49:


Adventure Time is indeed amazing as well. Especially once you get to the deeper stuff.

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Pirateking2000
06/16/12 7:36:00 PM
#50:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Adventure Time is indeed amazing as well. Especially once you get to the deeper stuff.


dat ice king episode with the video

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