Board 8 > ~Supreme Court Healthcare Ruling Discussion Topic Part 2~

(+) Yeah! (+)

Ruling could come today, definitely by Thursday


We also have the Arizona immigration case to discuss



http://www.drudgereport.com for the latest...

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Court sides with Arizona (basically)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-strikes-down-key-provisions-but-not-all-of-arizona-immigration-law/2012/06/25/gJQA40sl1V_print.html


Obamacare on Thursday

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DAMAGE CONTROL~~
on the arizona thing.

The title of the article is even "strikes down key provisions"

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No life without parole for juveniles



Well this is a dumb one

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TheCapisBack posted...

DAMAGE CONTROL~~
on the arizona thing.

The title of the article is even "strikes down key provisions"

Yeah this one is a tepid victory (even though I actually disagree with the law)

But the good thing is that they decided the federal government can't block the law outright

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_CAMPAIGN_FINANCE_MONTANA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-25-10-07-37

Citizens United decision is bolstered by this one


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Here is a better summary of the AZ law

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77789.html


The Court ruled that Arizona DOES have a right to require its police to check the immigration status of every individual they arrest (which I 100% agree with).

I have no problem with people coming to The Greatest Country on Earth to seek better lives for themselves ("legally" or not, ie by dealing with the ridiculous immigration bureaucracy put in place by Democrats), but I do have a problem with them coming here and committing crimes.

^5 Arizona

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The title of the article is even "strikes down key provisions"

Because the mainstream media never engages in damage control?

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2 days

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TOMORROW


I'm starting to get nervous... whenever the MSM starts predicting outcomes, they are almost always dead wrong. And now the consensus seems to be that the mandate will be struck down.

Here's hoping they are right!

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Dammit. I was kinda excited.

I wanna know what happens.

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http://www.drudgereport.com/ is getting me pumped!

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One of my law school friends heard something about Roberts seeing that the mandate was going to be upheld 5-4 so he switched over so he could write teh opinion to be as narrowly applicable as possible.

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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...

One of my law school friends heard something about Roberts seeing that the mandate was going to be upheld 5-4 so he switched over so he could write teh opinion to be as narrowly applicable as possible.

There are literally less than 20 people on the planet who know how they will rule

I doubt your friend has insider information

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From: Mershaaay | #014

AlecTrevelyan006 posted...

One of my law school friends heard something about Roberts seeing that the mandate was going to be upheld 5-4 so he switched over so he could write teh opinion to be as narrowly applicable as possible.

There are literally less than 20 people on the planet who know how they will rule

I doubt your friend has insider information

for whats it worth this rumor has spread and i'm hearing it all over the place now.

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From: Mershaaay | #014

AlecTrevelyan006 posted...

One of my law school friends heard something about Roberts seeing that the mandate was going to be upheld 5-4 so he switched over so he could write teh opinion to be as narrowly applicable as possible.

There are literally less than 20 people on the planet who know how they will rule

I doubt your friend has insider information

I didn't mean to suggest that in a "hey guys, settle down, I'm dropping the knowledge" way:

I was passing it on more as a thought experiment about how about how Supreme Court decisions are made and what determines their long term implications.

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WITHIN THE HOUR


I'm actually starting to doubt that they will overturn anything. Alec's prediction is making a lot of sense, which is a damn shame for our nation.

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I really hope they kill the mandate

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If I had to bet, it's gonna be upheld entirely 6-3


I base this off of the Mainstream Media jinxing it. They are almost always incorrect.

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Livestream

http://www.scotusblog.com/

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Hear it first here, b8!

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"Individual mandate survives as a tax"

"It's very complicated"

Well figure it ou, damnit

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From: Mershaaay | #023

MANDATE GONE

GREAT DAY FOR LIBERTY

Er... are we reading the same thing?

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f***ing Drudge

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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...

"Individual mandate survives as a tax"

"It's very complicated"

Well figure it ou, damnit

WTF does this mean

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I'm just going off the SCOTUS blog!

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F*** all.

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"Mandate Struck Down"


XFD this is so bizarre

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f***ing Drudge

it's almost like it sensationalistic and rarely actually accurate!

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The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld

dammit

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CNN is messing with my emotions

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CNN apparently misreported that it was struck down


Upheld 6-3

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The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.

HA

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The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.


So... it's not a mandate then? I don't get this and neither does anyone else !!

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Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.


I HATE EVERYONE

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Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.

Dammit.

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The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.

XD this is a s***show. I'm stepping away from this for a bit.

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Wat

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From: Mershaaay | #041

The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.

XD this is a s***show. I'm stepping away from this for a bit.

So basically, as I understand it.

There were two main ways to justify it (as opposed to two ways of striking it down). It could be justified as a tax or as interstate commerce. It was not justified under interstate commerce, but that doesn't make it illegal. Tax provisions do justify it.

Is this correct?

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Damage control time.

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Pretty much Alec. They tried to play it as not a tax but really similar and failed to prove it. It's a win for Obama but a bit dirty. Of course, as a tax it still ends up functioning similarly in practice. Different politically however.

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Mershaaay posted...

Here is a better summary of the AZ law

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77789.html


The Court ruled that Arizona DOES have a right to require its police to check the immigration status of every individual they arrest (which I 100% agree with).

I have no problem with people coming to The Greatest Country on Earth to seek better lives for themselves ("legally" or not, ie by dealing with the ridiculous immigration bureaucracy put in place by Democrats), but I do have a problem with them coming here and committing crimes.

^5 Arizona

Oh cool. Good job Supreme court on that one. And the juvenile one I guess (was that really a big issue?). Not happy about Citizens United but not surprised.

Not so happy about the health care one but alright.

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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...

From: Mershaaay | #041

The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.

XD this is a s***show. I'm stepping away from this for a bit.

So basically, as I understand it.

There were two main ways to justify it (as opposed to two ways of striking it down). It could be justified as a tax or as interstate commerce. It was not justified under interstate commerce, but that doesn't make it illegal. Tax provisions do justify it.

Is this correct?

Yes

5-4 ruling that it violates the Interstate Commerce Clause
But 5-4 that it is okay as a tax



So basically, it's 5-4 that the mandate is upheld since it is now apparently a tax. I wonder if that changes how easy/difficult it will be to repeal?

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I wonder if that changes how easy/difficult it will be to repeal?

That is a very good question.

I wouldn't think so, but who knows.

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