Board 8 > Was Trump right about Sweden? Yes, says unbiased journalist who went there

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UltimaterializerX posted...

FD, how many Syrian refugees have you invited into your home?

How many have you?

Also have you been anywhere in Europe? Just curious looking for cool places to visit
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VeryInsane posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD, how many Syrian refugees have you invited into your home?

How many have you?

Also have you been anywhere in Europe? Just curious looking for cool places to visit

I heard Chisinau was very cool.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

FD, how many Syrian refugees have you invited into your home?

0.

Would you care to explain how that's relevant though? I can still support something without having the means to personally open my already full home to someone.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

FD, how many Syrian refugees have you invited into your home?

How many Christian refugees have you invited into your home?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Stop being a racist.

Humankind is a race and I detest a vast majority of them, so if that makes me a racist, it makes me the proudest racist in the world.

UltimaterializerX posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

what would you think about a global ban on all organized religion in any/every form? just curious.

Are we considering the love of government and political correctness as a religion?

I wasn't going to, but I dislike those things too, so while I say no, we aren't considering them religions, but yes, we can ban them too, but separately and with penalties for practicing them roughly 25% less severe than those for religion... if we're negotiating, I'm willing to go down to 5% less severe
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Tony have you been anywhere in Europe? I know you are a military dude I dunno if you were stationed there or what
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Nope! My entire military career was spent in the New Mexico desert.
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Well at least you got to see plenty of desert
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How many Christian refugees have you invited into your home?

4
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VeryInsane posted...

Well at least you got to see plenty of desert

Tarantulas, scorpions, crazy freaky bugs, roadrunners (they look amazing IRL btw), and incredible food.

It was a good 6 years.
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VI, go to Vienna and Florence (if you've never been).
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Pokewars posted...

VI, go to Vienna and Florence (if you've never been).

Those were two that I was definitely thinking about going to!
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Ok I'm back. Not trying to be a keyboard warrior or anything, just give my opinion on everything in this topic about Sweden.

Nothing Tim Pool says is wrong. Especially when it comes to the media. There is a huge thing in Swedish Media now that "The Internet is telling people lies that they want to believe" and "people needs to check how reliable their "alternative" sources are" when most people have realized that the Swedish Media are the biggest liers there are. It's funny that I read in Sweden's biggest news paper that Tim thought: "Malmö is not that bad, it has problems but compared to Chicago where I'm from it's paradise!" Well according to this video he doesn't see Malmö as a paradise. I also know it has it's problems but I am thinking about moving there.

The Swedish democrats (a nationalistic right wing party especially for Swedish standards) is the political party that has seen the largest growth over the past 3-4 years if i recall, and are now tied for 2nd most popular political party in a country that has like 5-6 major parties. Nationalism is certainly growing there fwiw.

The main reason why they are growing is because there are 2 party block of parties who act like they are very different but they are almost the same. Both refuses to discuss that there are any problems with taking in so many new people at the same time. Our Minister of State said"My Europe doesn't build walls!" when he was elected while his opponent who was the current leader lost a lot of votes by saying "Open your hearts to the world". Personally I don't like SD (Swedish Democrats) because they seem to focus more on religon than reason and except for their leader who is a poltical genious most of the biggest guys can't handle the responsability that comes with being a big party.

There are stories coming out of Sweden daily about radical Muslims literally raping and pillaging the country, and that's with Sweden's controlled media trying to stifle that information. Tim Pool visited Malmo and was made to leave by local authorities because of how dangerous it's gotten.

That was in Rosengård, a part of Malmö where ambulances, fire department and the Police gets stones thrown at them. I have walked through Rosengård once and I didn't notice anything special, but Tim Pool wasn't the first guy who have been threaten when he had a movie team there and he won't be the last. It's common knowledge to swedes that criminals rule Rosengård, maybe the police can fix this but then something radical needs to happen. Oh and I'm not even going to bother to ask you of all people for sources on "daily about Muslims literally raping and pillaing the country."

I'd just like to point out, AGAIN, that the increased rate of sexual assaults in Sweden is the result of recent changes to the law there that reclassify what is considered sexual assault. It's not that immigrants are going crazy raping people, it's that things previously unreported as assault are being reported as such now.

This is true. Still you can't ignore that immigrants are very over representated (is that a english word?) when it comes to all assaults. This one of those topics that you are viewed as a racist if you want to discuss in here, which is strange because it's obvious that most immigrants hates this just as much as anyone else. But yeah hateful people likes to use this to support their cause.

That's right Sweden you got problems, we see them!

We let a lot more people in than what we can handle when it comes to education, homes e.t.c. Which is why the same guy who won the last election said that his Europe doesn't build walls, but when he was elected "closed" the borders and now I have to prove that I'm a swedish citizen everytime I want to make quick stop in Denmark to buy beer.
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Zylothewolf posted...

make quick stop in Denmark to buy beer

da f***
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Yes, please explain the beer thing.
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The same beer is much cheaper in Denmark. I wish I could give you a more interesting tale about it but no it's just cheaper to travel to Denmark (or Germany) where I live and buy lots of alcohol there.
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I kinda figured as much, I'm a little fascinated though simply because it's not exactly a close border
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VeryInsane posted...

I kinda figured as much, I'm a little fascinated though simply because it's not exactly a close border

It's actually closer than you might think!
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MZero11 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I kinda figured as much, I'm a little fascinated though simply because it's not exactly a close border

It's actually closer than you might think!

Google Maps suggests Malmö to Copenhagen is 10 or 15 miles. Obviously if you live any further into Sweden it's more of a hike, but I could totally see border hopping to buy beer as a cost-saving measure.
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Oh yeah I forgot there is a bridge between the two

I guess it's a decent way to cut costs though I don't really know gas prices there
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Bulgaria must be pretty f***ing boring. Don't you ever have anything better to do with yourself?

Why don't you go and make your own country a better place? Unless you are running for a government seat in the fictional country of Gamefaqistan with this clumsy act of yours.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Poverty is the unifying factor behind increases in crime.

Refugees by nature are disproportionately impoverished.


Stop trying to shoehorn your racist causation with unrelated correlation.

Poverty is also a factor, sure. But it's certainly not racist to call a muslim bomber "muslim." Islam's teachings are prone to inciting violence, especially with some sects' interpretation. Christianity doesn't have such a problem. All religions are not equal. All people are not equal. Objective reality must be given priority over brainwashed SJWs' "feelings."

You have certainly sunk deep into the cult lately. Seek redemption.
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Zylo, very informative first-hand post. Thanks, man!
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You cross the bridge to Copenhagen to buy beer occasionally, Zylo? Man, we should meet up sometime you come here.

The popular thing to do here in that regard is driving to the border to Germany, though it's a tad long from Copenhagen.
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Vlado posted...

Islam's teachings are prone to inciting violence, especially with some sects' interpretation. Christianity doesn't have such a problem.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Poverty is the unifying factor behind increases in crime.

Unemployment and education (which are bad in many places) are a major factor in increases behind crime. People wish to pin it on Islam, but the truth is that Islam is only the tiny factor in much of the crime. (And those in turn are a major factor in poverty also)

Vlado you're probably gonna lose karma over post 75, just sayin...
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Vlado posted...

Islam's teachings are prone to inciting violence, especially with some sects' interpretation. Christianity doesn't have such a problem.

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Yeah, I mean when America was founded and the Natives were robbed of their lands, forced into concentration camps or outright murdered you know it was never the work of Christians seeing it as their duty to bring God into the lives of the "heathens" or feeling that their belief in God made them so far above those "savages".

I'm not attempting to strawman or make the argument that there aren't radical sects of Islam, but let's keep in mind we need to focus on people and not religion. There are plenty of modern thinking Muslims that aren't a problem. The biggest problem is placing blame on one religion while you defend another; it's hypocrisy. I'm agnostic, and fully believe the world would be better off if people of different religions stopped blaming one another for everything that was wrong with society. It's my only problem with religion; I don't mind people worshiping, being open with their beliefs or having opinions I disagree with as much as I mind people using it as a justification or blame. It requires a small mind to lump everything together and assign things that way. Some of these "radical Christians" are pretty good at it.
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I love these topics.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I can't defend how Europe treated Indians back in the day, but I will point out that Indian tribes were every bit as vicious with one another as we were with them. If Indians had guns instead of bows, they'd have done all the same things.

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I am talking about the present. Examples from hundreds of years ago, accurate or not, are irrelevant.
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Vlado posted...

I am talking about the present. Examples from hundreds of years ago, accurate or not, are irrelevant.

What about mass shooters? White non-Muslims have killed far more than Radicial Islam, at least in the US.
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How is that relevant to the conversation? How many of them were motivated by religion? Let's be serious here.
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Do you think every single crime committed by a Muslim is motivated by religion?
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Vlado posted...

How many of them were motivated by religion?

Lots?
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Vlado posted...

I am talking about the present. Examples from hundreds of years ago, accurate or not, are irrelevant.

says the same guy who also stated that humans "have hundreds of years of history" that present day people should use to dictate how they live their lives.
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Vlado posted...

How is that relevant to the conversation? How many of them were motivated by religion? Let's be serious here.

not a mass shooter, but pretty sure Timmy McVeigh was motivated by crushing globalism.
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Vlado posted...

How is that relevant to the conversation? How many of them were motivated by religion? Let's be serious here.

El oh f***ing el, do you have any idea how many white shooters claim to have done so for God? Probably not.
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Vlado posted...

I am talking about the present. Examples from hundreds of years ago, accurate or not, are irrelevant.

Except the Bible is literally still the same book. The religion of Christianity hasn't changed because the core belief system is still based off the same book the settlers from Europe had with them when they were committing unspeakable acts. You can defend modern Christians as being more moderate with their beliefs if you'd like. But you cannot defend the religion itself, because nothing changed within it. You should still realize there are radicals though (I guess being one yourself makes it difficult?). That's my point; take note for the atrocities committed in the name of religion by all means, but keep in mind that as a Christian you wouldn't like to be lumped into a group of murderers and thieves. It's easy to proclaim that things hundreds of years ago are not relevant, but that's a relatively short frame of time based on how long Christianity existed before it became generally more docile. Do you truly believe that Islam, despite the fact many current practitioners are perfectly peaceful, will not some day become as you feel Christianity has? Remember that your religion has a dark past too.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

I can't defend how Europe treated Indians back in the day, but I will point out that Indian tribes were every bit as vicious with one another as we were with them. If Indians had guns instead of bows, they'd have done all the same things.

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And I wasn't attempting to portray the Native Americans as a pacifist society where everything was perfect, but one tribe never took over the entire area the way the Europeans did. You're basically just saying we did them a favor by taking their lands and killing them because they'd have done it to themselves anyway; is that some sort of excuse or justification?
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The Crusades were defensive wars. Muslims at the time were annihilating Europe and it literally took four wars and a massive Christian coalition to beat them back to their home countries.

Muslims today are acting exactly like they did just before the Crusades, oddly enough. The difference this time is we have the internet and people are standing up far more effectively than they did back then.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I can't defend how Europe treated Indians back in the day, but I will point out that Indian tribes were every bit as vicious with one another as we were with them. If Indians had guns instead of bows, they'd have done all the same things.

Ulti comes out in favor of gun control
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The Crusades were absolutely not defensive in any way shape or form unless you are talking Reconquista
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UItimaterializer posted...

The Crusades were defensive wars. Muslims at the time were annihilating Europe and it literally took four wars and a massive Christian coalition to beat them back to their home countries.

Muslims today are acting exactly like they did just before the Crusades, oddly enough. The difference this time is we have the internet and people are standing up far more effectively than they did back then.

Christianity and Islam both continued to exist after the crusades. The two religions didn't just completely wipe each other out. They didn't both have their histories wiped from existence. The crusades were a failure :(
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UItimaterializer posted...

The Crusades were defensive wars.

XD
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v_charon posted...

And I wasn't attempting to portray the Native Americans as a pacifist society where everything was perfect, but one tribe never took over the entire area the way the Europeans did. You're basically just saying we did them a favor by taking their lands and killing them because they'd have done it to themselves anyway; is that some sort of excuse or justification?

if I'm basically saying that, you're basically saying d****-headed unicorns from planet marklar harvest aluminum, space-semen, the dreams of first born children and time-travelling wifi signals in order to make roast beef and duct tape sandwiches.

I mean if you're just getting angry and making crazy extrapolations for the sake of contradicting ulti, or even grossly twisting words to use his own prefered tactics against him, that's totally fine by me and I welcome such things... but you should've waited for him to say something actually asinine and factually unsound. In this case he is right. Many tribes were absolutely brutal to each other. That's a fact. It doesn't speak to the morality of Europeans and their actions, and in fact ulti stated directly that he can't defend them. Europeans had a higher capacity to slaughter because they had superior technology. If Indian tribes were on that same level, it's extremely unlikely they would have been better to each other than the Europeans were to them.
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