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Tezlok
04/03/17 11:08:18 AM
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prince_leo
04/03/17 11:10:53 AM
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"The statute in Washington state appears to be very simply and broadly stated.

The law allows use of deadly force in the lawful defense of oneself, a family member, or any other person, when there is reasonable ground to prevent action(s) of the person slain to commit a felony or to do injury or harm, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, on those in their presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which they are.

Washington state doesn’t have a specific Castle Doctrine law, but has no duty to retreat as precedent was set when the State Supreme Court found "that there is no duty to retreat when a person is assaulted in a place where he or she has a right to be."



huh, guess they're figuring that because he wasn't an immediate threat and there was time to call police, it wasn't ok.
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iosifsvoboda
04/03/17 11:12:12 AM
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Not much a naked showering dude can do to you besides get water on the floor
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mattnd2007
04/03/17 11:22:16 AM
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Getting the gun was a good idea, gives him control of the situation. Blasting the dude was not. Should have just held him at gunpoint and called the cops.
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:24:51 AM
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Yeah, there was nothing about self-defense here. This was callously premeditated. Fair.
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TheVipaGTS
04/03/17 11:29:03 AM
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Use lethal force if its the last option and your life is directly in danger. and no i'm not defending the intruder, it just sets up a scary scenario....Could you imagine, man is at work, wife's cousin shows up to surprise the family unknowingly, cousin decides to take a shower, man comes home, doesn't know its the cousin in the shower and blasts before doing anything....

i mean its a naked man in the shower, call the cops, I don't think your life was directly in danger to the point that you had to kill him. you had plenty of time to call the cops and get out of the way of any potential harm. "NO MAN ITS HIS HOUSE AND THE GUY SHOULDN'T HAVE BROKEN IN"...yea i agree, but there are better ways to handle that situation....
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voldothegr8
04/03/17 11:30:26 AM
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So glad I live in a state with defined castle laws, and one of the few where they apply to vehicles as well.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/03/17 11:30:32 AM
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mattnd2007 posted...
Getting the gun was a good idea, gives him control of the situation. Blasting the dude was not. Should have just held him at gunpoint and called the cops.


This. (Though I personally don't have a problem with shooting a naked home invader onsite given possible sexual implications.)
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Mystere
04/03/17 11:32:53 AM
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Don't break into homes. Who cares how else it could've been handled?

Suppose it was a home invader doing this in an officer's home? I bet they wouldn't have arrested him.
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:33:14 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
So glad I live in a state with defined castle laws, and one of the few where they apply to vehicles as well.


Coming from an outsiders perspective, I kind of feel like there's a current in some American mentality where the crime for doing anything wrong should be getting shot. Guy resists arrest? Shoot him. Guy runs away from cop? Shoot him. Guy in your house where he shouldn't be? Shoot him.

I find that more terrifying than the idea of some weirdo taking a shower in my house, tbh.
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BigBurn
04/03/17 11:33:41 AM
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Tag lol
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eston
04/03/17 11:33:52 AM
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Fair, next

There's a big difference between self-defense and just straight up executing someone
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Veggeta_MAX
04/03/17 11:34:33 AM
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imagine how much he was salivating at the thought that he was finally get to be a vigilante hero badass and punish some bad guys
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:35:29 AM
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Mystere posted...
Don't break into homes. Who cares how else it could've been handled?

Suppose it was a home invader doing this in an officer's home? I bet they wouldn't have arrested him.


Did you read the article? The home owner:

- found the guy in one of his houses
- confronted him, had a verbal confrontation. intruder ignored him and kept showering
- homeowner left the house entirely, went to get his gun from the other house, went back in, shot him to death

I feel like if you have time to leave the house and go and grab your gun from a different house then there are at least half a dozen ways you could have handled it better, one of them involving calling the police.
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Vindris_SNH
04/03/17 11:36:15 AM
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Sounds like the poor guy just wanted to shower, and the homeowner had plenty of time to call the cops. No need to kill the guy. He wasn't threatening your life in any way.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/03/17 11:36:26 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Mystere posted...
Don't break into homes. Who cares how else it could've been handled?

Suppose it was a home invader doing this in an officer's home? I bet they wouldn't have arrested him.


Did you read the article? The home owner:

- found the guy in one of his houses
- confronted him, had a verbal confrontation. intruder ignored him and kept showering
- homeowner left the house entirely, went to get his gun from the other house, went back in, shot him to death

I feel like if you have time to leave the house and go and grab your gun from a different house then there are at least half a dozen ways you could have handled it better, one of them involving calling the police.


Wait, he argued with the intruder and he refused to leave his home? Fuck yeah shoot him.
Sounds like the guy had plenty of time to not get shot. Maybe don't break into places, don't refuse to leave when the home owner arrives.
If he had time to get a gun, the showerer had time to fuck off.

Zero sympathy here.
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:37:38 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Mystere posted...
Don't break into homes. Who cares how else it could've been handled?

Suppose it was a home invader doing this in an officer's home? I bet they wouldn't have arrested him.


Did you read the article? The home owner:

- found the guy in one of his houses
- confronted him, had a verbal confrontation. intruder ignored him and kept showering
- homeowner left the house entirely, went to get his gun from the other house, went back in, shot him to death

I feel like if you have time to leave the house and go and grab your gun from a different house then there are at least half a dozen ways you could have handled it better, one of them involving calling the police.


Wait, he argued with the intruder and he refused to leave his home? Fuck yeah shoot him.


So this brings me back to that disturbing American attitude where the penalty for any crime is getting shot to death...
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Mystere
04/03/17 11:38:33 AM
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I'm not saying there weren't any better ways to deal with it. I'm saying the man was a dumbasa who took a risk and got what he had coming.

B&E runs risks.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/03/17 11:39:18 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
where the penalty


No, not penalty. Courts decide penalties.
Necessary force to end situations is completely different.
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Vindris_SNH
04/03/17 11:39:58 AM
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Mystere posted...
the man was a dumbasa who took a risk and got what he had coming.


Sure, he was a dumbass for showering in another man's home, but that doesn't warrant his death.
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P01ntyDmonspank
04/03/17 11:40:36 AM
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Hope he gets the electric needle
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E32005
04/03/17 11:40:45 AM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
imagine how much he was salivating at the thought that he was finally get to be a vigilante hero badass and punish some bad guys

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Webmaster4531
04/03/17 11:40:51 AM
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A naked guy could have a gu... Wait.
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lilORANG
04/03/17 11:41:25 AM
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:41:32 AM
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Mystere posted...
I'm not saying there weren't any better ways to deal with it. I'm saying the man was a dumbasa who took a risk and got what he had coming.

B&E runs risks.


You don't feel the punishment outweighs the crime here, at all? By all accounts, the guy wasn't actually dangerous - at least, the homeowner already demonstrated the clear ability to escape danger. But he didn't decide to escape danger - he decided to return to the potentially dangerous situation and kill a man for the crime of breaking and entering.

That disturbs me a lot more than anything else to be honest. This guy wanted to murder him.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/03/17 11:42:42 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
This guy wanted to murder him.


No, he wanted him to leave his fucking house.
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lilORANG
04/03/17 11:44:02 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
pinky0926 posted...
This guy wanted to murder him.


No, he wanted him to leave his fucking house.

weird way of showing that. Dead bodies don't tend to walk themselves out of homes.
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:44:22 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
pinky0926 posted...
where the penalty


No, not penalty. Courts decide penalties.
Necessary force to end situations is completely different.


What here implies necessary force? The homeowner left the house and then returned with a gun to kill the guy. That's not necessary force. That's deciding you want to kill someone because they've wronged you.

No court in America is going to side with you if your chief intent was obviously to kill someone instead of protect yourself.
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eston
04/03/17 11:44:34 AM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Mystere posted...
Don't break into homes. Who cares how else it could've been handled?

Suppose it was a home invader doing this in an officer's home? I bet they wouldn't have arrested him.


Did you read the article? The home owner:

- found the guy in one of his houses
- confronted him, had a verbal confrontation. intruder ignored him and kept showering
- homeowner left the house entirely, went to get his gun from the other house, went back in, shot him to death

I feel like if you have time to leave the house and go and grab your gun from a different house then there are at least half a dozen ways you could have handled it better, one of them involving calling the police.


Wait, he argued with the intruder and he refused to leave his home? Fuck yeah shoot him.
Sounds like the guy had plenty of time to not get shot. Maybe don't break into places, don't refuse to leave when the home owner arrives.
If he had time to get a gun, the showerer had time to fuck off.

Zero sympathy here.

Nobody cares whether or not you sympathize with the intruder, the fact remains that the homeowner is a murderer who was rightly arrested for murdering a guy
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:45:13 AM
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lilORANG posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
pinky0926 posted...
This guy wanted to murder him.


No, he wanted him to leave his fucking house.

weird way of showing that. Dead bodies don't tend to walk themselves out of homes.


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CapnMuffin
04/03/17 11:45:48 AM
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Hey, wasn't even his primary residence. It was a second home he used as an office.

Goes over to work, finds a guy in his shower. They exchange words (probably to the tune of "get out of my house" - "no"). He leaves, comes back with a gun, and fires into the shower killing him.

Clearly no one was in danger. He had every opportunity to call authorities. The guy went out of his way to murder a criminal.
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HypnoCoosh
04/03/17 11:46:35 AM
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Only CE would defend a home invader.
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ROBANN_88
04/03/17 11:48:07 AM
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why didn't the intruder just run away when they guy left?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/03/17 11:48:08 AM
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Meh, I bet the showerer lunged at him. What kind of crazy fuck takes a shower after breaking into someone's house? And keeps going after being confronted.
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P01ntyDmonspank
04/03/17 11:48:16 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Only CE would defend a home invader.

Only CE.

Which is why the homeowner was arrested....
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eston
04/03/17 11:48:19 AM
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No one is defending the intruder. It is possible to acknowledge that he shouldn't have been there while also recognizing that the homeowner was wrong for murdering him.
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prince_leo
04/03/17 11:48:19 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Only CE would defend a home invader.

it's more about the disproportionate response
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Webmaster4531
04/03/17 11:48:28 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Only CE would defend a home invader.

Only CE is pro murder.
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Mernardi
04/03/17 11:48:47 AM
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Jfc so many sociopaths in this topic. Yeah, the guy broke the law by breaking and entering. However he clearly wasn't armed and the guy left his house and came back with a gun. The correct way to handle the situation is to just call the cops and let them handle it.

Now, if he had a weapon or something, it'd be a different story. No one had to die in this situation.
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kingdrake2
04/03/17 11:49:03 AM
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CapnMuffin posted...
Hey, wasn't even his primary residence. It was a second home he used as an office.

Goes over to work, finds a guy in his shower. They exchange words (probably to the tune of "get out of my house" - "no"). He leaves, comes back with a gun, and fires into the shower killing him.

Clearly no one was in danger. He had every opportunity to call authorities. The guy went out of his way to murder a criminal.


homeowner going to jail soon for making a stupid mistake.
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HypnoCoosh
04/03/17 11:49:06 AM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Only CE would defend a home invader.

Only CE is pro murder.


When you talk about murdering unborn babies then yes.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/03/17 11:49:40 AM
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kingdrake2 posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Hey, wasn't even his primary residence. It was a second home he used as an office.

Goes over to work, finds a guy in his shower. They exchange words (probably to the tune of "get out of my house" - "no"). He leaves, comes back with a gun, and fires into the shower killing him.

Clearly no one was in danger. He had every opportunity to call authorities. The guy went out of his way to murder a criminal.


homeowner going to jail soon for making a stupid mistake.


Jail yes, prison maybe not. If I was on the jury . . .
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lilORANG
04/03/17 11:49:57 AM
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nobody is defending a home invader. They are condemning a murderer.

is that a controversial opinion now? Murder is bad? Gee, what alternate dimension have I walked into.
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pinky0926
04/03/17 11:50:11 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Only CE would defend a home invader.

Only CE is pro murder.


When you talk about murdering unborn babies then yes.


HypnoCoosh up to his usual low effort shitposting I see
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CruelBuffalo
04/03/17 11:50:54 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
I feel like if you have time to leave the house and go and grab your gun from a different house then there are at least half a dozen ways you could have handled it better, one of them involving calling the police.

This
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Webmaster4531
04/03/17 11:51:20 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Only CE would defend a home invader.

Only CE is pro murder.


When you talk about murdering unborn babies then yes.

Wow, a pro life hypocrite. If there is a hell you're bound for it.
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