Current Events > Chicago to require HS students to be accepted by college/ internship/ military

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DelianSK posted...

eston posted...

That seems incredibly misguided

This is one of those things that sounds good on paper but not in practice.

No this is one of those things that sounds like some politician is a moron and needs to be removed from office.
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That plan sounds fucking stupid.

Also from the 941 in Florida it's a nice state but it depends on where you live/visit as with all places.
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the only way a democrat is getting removed from office in chicago is if they are convicted of a crime
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frozenshock posted...

So if you have no money to pay for college and you've been unable to find a job, you have to join the army?

Mmmmlibtears posted...

WOOOOOW. So, the choices are:

Darklit_Minuet posted...

I am opposed to this. Better live on the street than be complicit in the bombing of brown people for oil.

Nobody should ever be incentivized to join the US murdertary

a bunch of trolling or sheer ignorance or both

Mmmmlibtears posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

This sounds great.

You have to have a plan after you graduate. The title is a bit misleading, because you can also go to a community college or a trade school.

But this is a great way to motivate students, and will lead to a lot of future successes that might have just dropped out. Hopefully they emphasize the trade school and internship options, because those will lead to the most jobs.

In theory.

In practice it will be a colossal failure. Obvious reasons aside, probably the biggest problem I see (besides this toeing the line of constitutionality) is...do the colleges have the capacity/staff to support forced enrollment?
Democucks not thinking things through, fresh AND new!

And yet Republicucks think that shutting down public schools and sending everyone to charters is a MUCH better idea, despite private school systems being even less prepared for that level of enrollment >_____>
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but republicans
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Wait. Is it to graduate at all or just to get the diploma?

Because if its the diploma, no one gives a shit about that.
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Also, this is something that you normally would expect a Republican to enact, which leaves everyone confused as to whether they should agree or disagree with it.

pretty funny
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I would hope that they aren't pushing the military aspect of this .
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smoliske posted...

frozenshock posted...

So if you have no money to pay for college and you've been unable to find a job, you have to join the army?

Mmmmlibtears posted...

WOOOOOW. So, the choices are:

Darklit_Minuet posted...

I am opposed to this. Better live on the street than be complicit in the bombing of brown people for oil.

Nobody should ever be incentivized to join the US murdertary

a bunch of trolling or sheer ignorance or both

Oh do shut the fuck up. If Trump, or any Republican for that matter, had even proposed this you'd be 9 shades of triggered and saying what a horrible idea it is.

gamepimp12 posted...

I would hope that they aren't pushing the military aspect of this .

I think that is something they would do which would worry most parents.

thought community college accepts everyone

so how you get acceptance letter?
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AlephZero posted...

the only way a democrat is getting removed from office in chicago is if they are convicted of a crime

not even that will remove them actually
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Antifar posted...

Elevating Rahm Emanuel's stature may be Obama's worst legacy.

Rahm fucked up on his own
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I love how everyone is ignoring CE's golden calf--the trade school--is a listed option.

Its not just the military or college.
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Because self-employment isn't a thing?

I'm curious about this. I'm mainly in different, but I want to see where it goes. It could go either way tbh.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

thought community college accepts everyone

so how you get acceptance letter?

As long as the check clears, you're accepted. Which was my earlier point: can the schools and staff even support this? No, no they cannot. So what, if you can't get accepted into a university and CC is full, and you refuse to work for free like a bitch cuck (intern), guess you're ass is dropping out or going to Iraq. Hm, and let's think about it, which demographic is this most likely to affect? Poor minorities? So, poor minorities will be the ones facing this choice by and far.
Guess the Democrats and liberals don't really care about them after all. Great plan, ship all of our brown people off to war. But remember, Republicans are the evil racists and Democrats are the only party that cares about minorities right?

Great plan. Truly.

*Note to mods since they've never heard of sarcasm: I am not literally saying shipping minorities off to war is a great plan

Guardian-Sloth posted...

Because self-employment isn't a thing?

You really think the kind of person who effectively drops out of HS is going to be some grand entrepreneur?
inb4strawmanbillgates

Doesn't really seem like a bad idea. Nothing wrong with college, trade schools, or the military. Military got me free school and I didn't murder any brown people for oil lol.

Being born in chicago and living outside of chicago but working on the city... it sounds good.

Did somebody here really just say...retail? Instead of having a kid go to CC you would rather have them work at Best Buy?

It sounds like in the long run this would be great. Take 50 people right now, with some doing school, some kids doing nothing or working retail. Or you can have 50 kids where some are in college(at least started it), some joined the military, and some went to trade schools.

Overall sounds like a community that would be more efficient and intelligent
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Why isn't just a regular job included in this? I knew who kid who started a landscaping business fresh out of highschool and became pretty successful. Would he not be allowed to graduate under this law?
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I imagine in practice that this will push fewer students to find their futures and instead exacerbate the rate and speed of dropping out

you don't really solve cultural and socioeconomic issues by attempting to force the people into 'doing better'
hope that doesn't happen though
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Florida isn't some tropical paradise but it's also not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

If you know good spots, it can be tropical Paradise. But the weather. I have to say I hate the hot, humid weather.
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choose Air Force

yes the uniforms are ugly as shit and they have reputation of being the least "hardcore" military branch

but the quality of life and bases are so much better, and there's alot less "How can I fuck you in the ass today?" mentality than other branches.

source: Navy vet who has been on an Air Force base
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Do you just have to be accepted or actually enrolled ?
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So conscripts?
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I don't think Libby Hippies do many things right, but I absolutely agree that this is the RIGHT choice!

Upon actually seeing that they can have a future, a person is much more motivated to accomplish it.
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fenderbender321 posted...

I love it. The only thing graduating HS is good for is getting into college or the military. Nobody else cares if you have a HS diploma or not. So what's the point of students graduating HS if it isn't going to count for anything?

Basically force people what to do, great idea. So much for free country.
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Bill Gates along with Mark Zuckerburg, David Karp, Billy Joel, Simon Cowell, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Walt Disney, and Milton Hershey. Plus it's not like High School has always been a thing.

Stupid. Misguided. Insane. Guaranteed lawsuits coming.

Any other ways to describe this?
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this is completely misguided
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If would be nice if students did these things, however it's not the school's place to try to force them to. Gap years are also a thing too.
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PiOverlord posted...

I don't think Libby Hippies do many things right, but I absolutely agree that this is the RIGHT choice!

Upon actually seeing that they can have a future, a person is much more motivated to accomplish it.

*facepalm*

So what was stopping them before? Those were always options long before this was proposed. Only difference is now students don't graduate if they do not choose one the forced options. And let's be fucking honest here, we all know what the majority of people are going to "choose": government slavery (military). AGAIN, this doesn't help give them the means to go to college; they are just as poor as they were before this horrid idea. So they're poor right? Gee, I bet they're stoked to work for free then in an internship that may lead to a job in 6-24 months. So that leaves -you guessed it- the military!
It's actually quite brilliant if you think about it. Military enrollment is way down, so what better way to get those numbers back up than to effectively force poor urban youth to join up?

EternalDivide posted...

Stupid. Misguided. Insane. Guaranteed lawsuits coming.

Any other ways to describe this?

No, you pretty much hit all of them.

EternalDivide posted...

Stupid. Misguided. Insane. Guaranteed lawsuits coming.

Any other ways to describe this?

I don't know if I'd go as far as 'insane' but the others definitely fit.
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fenderbender321 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

I love it. The only thing graduating HS is good for is getting into college or the military. Nobody else cares if you have a HS diploma or not. So what's the point of students graduating HS if it isn't going to count for anything?

Basically force people what to do, great idea. So much for free country.

Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything with this. If you want to argue that an idea like 'free' college forces people to go to college to a certain degree, I would agree. But not in this situation.

A - work for free as an intern

B - enroll in college (because Chicago youth are rolling in dough yeah?), assuming the colleges can even support the sudden influx of students (they cant)

C - FIGHT FUR FURDUM!!!! Join the military and help the military machine invade sovereign nations, kill brown people, and generally make the world less safe.

D - Don't graduate, and be lucky to get a job as a shift leat at Burger King.

But no, nothing is being forced on anyone. Nope. Not at all.

What other option you have after graduating besides going to college, going to a trade school, getting a job/internship, joining the military and being a leech on society?
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man, I am really impressed that we're all doing a good job ignoring the obvious troll account who KEEPS POSTING in the topic and nobody is biting.

good job, everyone!
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fenderbender321 posted...

You guys are acting like these students are being forced to get a diploma. They aren't. A diploma is good for absolutely nothing if you aren't going to enroll in something that requires one.

So basically, no student should feel pressured into going to college or enrolling in the military if they don't want to do that, because they aren't missing out on any other opportunities simply for not having a diploma.

Wrong wrong wrong. Most construction companies (which is obviously a decent job) won't even hire a dropout, because they have dozens of people WITH diplomas applying. Doesn't mean a piece of paper magically makes them better people or more qualified to do the job, but let's be honest, we all know how society views dropouts.
Hell, you can get a job in retail still, but without a diploma you'll never make management, because you'll get passed over by the 19 year Olds who do have one.

A diploma is still relevant. Whatever doors remain open to folks who do not pursue college, are almost universally closed to those who (from an employers perspective) couldn't even be bothered to complete HS.

Damn_Underscore posted...

What other option you have after graduating besides going to college, going to a trade school, getting a job/internship, joining the military and being a leech on society?

Gonna have some real limited options without a diploma. All things being equal with applicants, the person with the diploma will get picked over the one without every single time.

and he just keeps going
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fenderbender321 posted...

You guys are acting like these students are being forced to get a diploma. They aren't. A diploma is good for absolutely nothing if you aren't going to enroll in something that requires one.

Damn near any job that isn't minimum wage retail type stuff requires a high school diploma. Damn near any job that doesn't require it will still prefer applicants that do have one.
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Mmmmlibtears posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

What other option you have after graduating besides going to college, going to a trade school, getting a job/internship, joining the military and being a leech on society?

Gonna have some real limited options without a diploma. All things being equal with applicants, the person with the diploma will get picked over the one without every single time.

After graduating.

And the options may be limited now, but if the government starts to work with Chicago business to take in graduating students as interns this could really be successful.
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Chicago: "In order to get this diploma, you need a job."
Gen Z: "But I need a diploma to get a job."
Chicago: "Not my problem."
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You all realize that paid internships exist, right? And they are very common in many fields?

Also, I think this is an interesting idea. I'd love to see how they implement it and if it works.

Honestly, we really do need shakeups every now and then by people who try extreme ideas like this. Obviously the status quo is not working, but politicians are too afraid to try new things for fear of failure and not getting reelected. I'm curious to see how this experiment works out, similar to how Oregon's "free college for all" thing is working out that they started recently.

Innovations have to start somewhere.
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Zanzenburger posted...

And they are very common in many fields?

For people who are about to get a HS diploma? Seems unlikely they would get paid internships
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