Current Events > American MARINE who Brutally Murdered a TRANSGENDER is DENIED early release!!

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mrduckbear
04/10/17 10:20:22 PM
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Do you think transgender people should be obligated to reveal their born gender to a partner?


Lance Corporal Joseph Scott Pemberton who brutually murdered a Filipino Transgender Woman at a Phillipines motel is DENIED early release and the homicide conviction is upheld where he is serving 6-10 years!!

He claimed he acted in SELF-DEFENSE when he killed Jennifer Laude on October 11, 2014 because when she was giving him Oral Sex, he saw her GENITALS and went ballistic and attacked her and drowned her in a TOILET BOWL...

The Phillipines Court described his claim as "more imaginary than real" and "easily concocted"

He avoided a "murder conviction" and was convicted of a "lesser charge" of homicide without "malicious intent" as the court said "The only reason why he attacked Jennifer was because he was furious at him for pretending to be a woman, nothing more, nothing less"

They met at a bar in the city of Olongapo as he took part in a joint US-Phillipine military exercise

The both agreed to have sex after meeting in the red light district but that the drunk marine turned violent after seeing her genitals when they were engaging in oral sex

The homicide conviction was the first under a visiting forces agreement between the US and Philippines signed in 1998 covering the legal liability of american troops taking part in military operations.

This case strained relations between the 2 with activists and the LGBT rights group urging them to scrap that deal

Now Joseph's lawyers are lodging a FURTHER APPEAL with the Philippine Supreme Court as now they are going with another theory that he DIDN'T murder Jennifer and that evidence shows that Jennifer's money was stolen by a 3rd person and a necklace was found belonging to a third person.

Jennifer died from asphyxia by drowning according the autopsy report

Joseph also TOLD 2 of his fellow marines that night "I think i killed a he/she" and admitted he CHOKED her but said she was alive in the shower when he left.

Joseph admits he was ANGRY when Jennifer didn't tell him she was born a man but maintains he did "not" kill her and only choked her

Do you think transgender people should be obligated to reveal they were born gender to a partner?

Joseph - Lying Murderer

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/10/16/3F231C2200000578-4398414-image-a-19_1491836420601.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2017/04/10/07/wire-372631-1491805548-477_634x569.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/10/16/3F231C1600000578-4398414-Pemberton_pictured_center_was_found_guilty_of_Laude_s_homicide_f-a-23_1491836882436.jpg

Jennifer - Deceased

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/10/16/3F231C2700000578-4398414-image-a-18_1491836420601.jpg

Outrage -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/04/10/16/3F231C0C00000578-4398414-image-a-22_1491836665800.jpg
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Onetrueking
04/10/17 10:27:13 PM
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Yes they should be forced to. I could see many people doing the exact same as what he did.
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gguirao
04/13/17 4:27:28 AM
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Yes.
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gunplagirl
04/13/17 4:30:55 AM
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No
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Key
04/13/17 4:31:02 AM
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yes they should. and idk why a pre op would even try to hide it. that said if you do find out your partner lied or hid the truth about it theres not much you can do besides cut it off. obviously what he did was the wrong answer and just ruined n=both of their lives

she was hot though
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Cartwheel_Kick
04/13/17 4:50:02 AM
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I can see the dilemma but at this point you better say it in advance just to protect yourself from this happening.

Doesn't justify the guy from doing this though. I wonder if this is caused by some intense internalized homophobia from being a little bi and being scared of it, or just pure bigoted disgust. I guess we'll never really know.
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gunplagirl
04/13/17 4:52:03 AM
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Cartwheel_Kick posted...
I can see the dilemma but at this point you better say it in advance just to protect yourself from this happening.

Doesn't justify the guy from doing this though. I wonder if this is caused by some intense internalized homophobia from being a little bi and being scared of it, or just pure bigoted disgust. I guess we'll never really know.

All of the above. Masculinity is fragile, and any insinuation of being gay will drive most men to violence.

Men unable to control their own feelings like that shouldn't be allowed access to weapons.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 2:43:17 AM
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Conflict posted...
He should be denied any release, period.

Not sure if the pun was intentional but lol
gunplagirl posted...
No

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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 2:45:43 AM
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Transgendred people should have to obligated to wear some sort of pin or marker that states if they're mtf or ftm. It really is comparable to rape by not telling a potential partner of their transformation.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 2:46:53 AM
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Fax_Machine posted...
Transgendred people should have to obligated to wear some sort of pin or marker that states if they're mtf or ftm. It really is comparable to rape by not telling a potential partner of their transformation.

Sounds an awful lot like the idea of a certain moustachioed Austrian
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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 2:47:54 AM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Fax_Machine posted...
Transgendred people should have to obligated to wear some sort of pin or marker that states if they're mtf or ftm. It really is comparable to rape by not telling a potential partner of their transformation.

Sounds an awful lot like the idea of a certain moustachioed Austrian

Except there are entirely different contexts behind the reason this should be implemented.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 2:52:02 AM
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Fax_Machine posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Fax_Machine posted...
Transgendred people should have to obligated to wear some sort of pin or marker that states if they're mtf or ftm. It really is comparable to rape by not telling a potential partner of their transformation.

Sounds an awful lot like the idea of a certain moustachioed Austrian

Except there are entirely different contexts behind the reason this should be implemented.

Is it her fault he was attracted to her?

You'd think if you really weren't attracted to transgender people you wouldn't need them to run around with a sticker saying whether or not they are trans.
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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 2:57:42 AM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
You'd think if you really weren't attracted to transgender people you wouldn't need them to run around with a sticker saying whether or not they are trans.

They met for the sole reason of sex. She lied to him and raped him by forcing him to engage in oral sex under the pretense of her being a female not a dressed up guy with a penis.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 2:58:26 AM
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Fax_Machine posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
You'd think if you really weren't attracted to transgender people you wouldn't need them to run around with a sticker saying whether or not they are trans.

They met for the sole reason of sex. She lied to him and raped him by forcing him to engage in oral sex under the pretense of her being a female not a dressed up guy with a penis.

Do you really think he didn't pay her
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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 3:00:07 AM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Do you really think he didn't pay her

He better not have. She couldn't provide the service he was looking for and essentially tried to rob him.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 3:01:08 AM
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Fax_Machine posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Do you really think he didn't pay her

He better not have. She couldn't provide the service he was looking for and essentially tried to rob him.

Do you think people just wander around the red light districts of the Philippines for some fucking fresh air
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Rika_Furude
04/15/17 3:01:46 AM
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he is a monster for killing her and doesnt deserve release but she is pretty shitty for not disclosing she is a tg
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Capn Circus
04/15/17 3:02:00 AM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Fax_Machine posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Fax_Machine posted...
Transgendred people should have to obligated to wear some sort of pin or marker that states if they're mtf or ftm. It really is comparable to rape by not telling a potential partner of their transformation.

Sounds an awful lot like the idea of a certain moustachioed Austrian

Except there are entirely different contexts behind the reason this should be implemented.

Is it her fault he was attracted to her?

You'd think if you really weren't attracted to transgender people you wouldn't need them to run around with a sticker saying whether or not they are trans.


He is not a "her". Especially considering he had biologically identifying male genitalia.

Deceiving someone sexually is abhorrent.

And obviously he wasn't attracted to him.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 3:02:55 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Fax_Machine posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Fax_Machine posted...
Transgendred people should have to obligated to wear some sort of pin or marker that states if they're mtf or ftm. It really is comparable to rape by not telling a potential partner of their transformation.

Sounds an awful lot like the idea of a certain moustachioed Austrian

Except there are entirely different contexts behind the reason this should be implemented.

Is it her fault he was attracted to her?

You'd think if you really weren't attracted to transgender people you wouldn't need them to run around with a sticker saying whether or not they are trans.


He is not a "her". Especially considering he had biologically identifying male genitalia.

Deceiving someone sexually is abhorrent.

I'd say murdering people is abhorrent but cultural differences, as you guys love to say
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jborgan
04/15/17 3:03:13 AM
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Fax_Machine posted...
Transgendred people should have to obligated to wear some sort of pin or marker that states if they're mtf or ftm. It really is comparable to rape by not telling a potential partner of their transformation.

This is a bad idea because they would likely be the victim of more crimes and abuse, as if they don't already suffer enough.
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Capn Circus
04/15/17 3:05:43 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
he is a monster for killing her and doesnt deserve release but she is pretty shitty for not disclosing she is a tg


He is not a her.
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Medussa
04/15/17 3:09:09 AM
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we get it, you're a shitty human being. you don't need to keep reminding us.
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Fax_Machine
04/15/17 3:10:31 AM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Do you think people just wander around the red light districts of the Philippines for some fucking fresh air

No he was looking to fuck a women. One with female genitalia not an imposter.
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LJRENEGADE
04/15/17 3:38:13 AM
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You gotta be a real sick fuck to drown a person in a toilet. The guy even just looks like a scumbag too. I do think transgenders should let their partners know that they're trans, but I don't know about it being obligated. And it especially doesn't warrant murder, whether you consider it rape or not.
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FighterStreet
04/15/17 3:42:08 AM
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It's def rape by her, but rape is nothing compared to fucking murder
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Rika_Furude
04/15/17 4:12:49 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
he is a monster for killing her and doesnt deserve release but she is pretty shitty for not disclosing she is a tg


He is not a her.

So they are both hers?
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 11:46:48 AM
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Cultural differences, yes?
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Jon_Gruden
04/15/17 11:51:13 AM
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Shes hot
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The Admiral
04/15/17 12:00:20 PM
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Not sure why transgenders think they can try to sleep with straight guys and not have them get angry. That doesn't warrant violence, but it's pretty fucked up to mislead someone who has zero interest in a person with male genitalia.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 12:24:28 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Not sure why transgenders think they can try to sleep with straight guys and not have them get angry. That doesn't warrant violence, but it's pretty fucked up to mislead someone who has zero interest in a person with male genitalia.

Dude legit paid her for a blowjob

He clearly is attracted to trans women
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 2:15:42 PM
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Bump
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EbonTitanium
04/15/17 2:18:52 PM
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Yes, you should tell people you're trans before ANYTHING goes down.
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RebelElite791
04/15/17 2:19:36 PM
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Gay panic defense has never held up in court and is not morally justified either.
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Capn Circus
04/15/17 3:25:56 PM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
The Admiral posted...
Not sure why transgenders think they can try to sleep with straight guys and not have them get angry. That doesn't warrant violence, but it's pretty fucked up to mislead someone who has zero interest in a person with male genitalia.

Dude legit paid her for a blowjob

He clearly is attracted to trans women


He obviously wasn't.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 6:26:43 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
The Admiral posted...
Not sure why transgenders think they can try to sleep with straight guys and not have them get angry. That doesn't warrant violence, but it's pretty fucked up to mislead someone who has zero interest in a person with male genitalia.

Dude legit paid her for a blowjob

He clearly is attracted to trans women


He obviously wasn't.

You expect me to believe the guy paid money for his dick to get sucked by someone he isn't attracted to?
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Jon_Gruden
04/15/17 6:38:05 PM
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It doesnt warrant even being upset tbqh. In todays society its just one of those things you have to be aware of. So his response should've been, "Oh ur a man, sorry I'm not interested, I'll have my money back, k bye" Dont make excuses for the guys rage.
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StarReaper13
04/15/17 6:40:54 PM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
The Admiral posted...
Not sure why transgenders think they can try to sleep with straight guys and not have them get angry. That doesn't warrant violence, but it's pretty fucked up to mislead someone who has zero interest in a person with male genitalia.

Dude legit paid her for a blowjob

He clearly is attracted to trans women


He obviously wasn't.

You expect me to believe the guy paid money for his dick to get sucked by someone he isn't attracted to?

He's not into trans women, it's that the victim passed as a cis woman, which the guy is attracted to. So he was under the pretense that the victim was a cis woman, and upon learning the truth, killed her, which was completely fucked up on his part.
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asdf8562
04/15/17 6:48:13 PM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
The Admiral posted...
Not sure why transgenders think they can try to sleep with straight guys and not have them get angry. That doesn't warrant violence, but it's pretty fucked up to mislead someone who has zero interest in a person with male genitalia.

Dude legit paid her for a blowjob

He clearly is attracted to trans women


He obviously wasn't.

You expect me to believe the guy paid money for his dick to get sucked by someone he isn't attracted to?

He paid money to get a blowjob from someone he thought was a woman who was born a woman who had female genitalia.
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asdf8562
04/15/17 6:49:50 PM
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Jon_Gruden posted...
It doesnt warrant even being upset tbqh. In todays society its just one of those things you have to be aware of. So his response should've been, "Oh ur a man, sorry I'm not interested, I'll have my money back, k bye" Dont make excuses for the guys rage.

No one is doing that.

Its already been established murder is wrong, and worse than rape. That shouldnt have to be posted in every post like a disclaimer.
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StarKnight23
04/15/17 6:51:31 PM
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I agree tg should always reveal beforehand. Although it's the 21 century, know what you are putting your **** into.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 6:52:30 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
Jon_Gruden posted...
It doesnt warrant even being upset tbqh. In todays society its just one of those things you have to be aware of. So his response should've been, "Oh ur a man, sorry I'm not interested, I'll have my money back, k bye" Dont make excuses for the guys rage.

No one is doing that.

Its already been established murder is wrong, and worse than rape. That shouldnt have to be posted in every post like a disclaimer.

He paid her to suck his dick

How is that rape
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gunplagirl
04/15/17 6:53:28 PM
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If you're afraid of somebody being transgender, then it's on you to say that you can't date them.

Same thing with dog people who refuse to date somebody with a cat.

If it's "just a preference" then it's on you to ask if they're trans.
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asdf8562
04/15/17 6:54:38 PM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
asdf8562 posted...
Jon_Gruden posted...
It doesnt warrant even being upset tbqh. In todays society its just one of those things you have to be aware of. So his response should've been, "Oh ur a man, sorry I'm not interested, I'll have my money back, k bye" Dont make excuses for the guys rage.

No one is doing that.

Its already been established murder is wrong, and worse than rape. That shouldnt have to be posted in every post like a disclaimer.

He paid her to suck his dick

How is that rape

The TG lied. Its rape by deception.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 6:57:31 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
asdf8562 posted...
Jon_Gruden posted...
It doesnt warrant even being upset tbqh. In todays society its just one of those things you have to be aware of. So his response should've been, "Oh ur a man, sorry I'm not interested, I'll have my money back, k bye" Dont make excuses for the guys rage.

No one is doing that.

Its already been established murder is wrong, and worse than rape. That shouldnt have to be posted in every post like a disclaimer.

He paid her to suck his dick

How is that rape

The TG lied. Its rape by deception.

What did she say that was dishonest? Do you think that something like this went down?

Him: yo do u have a wiener?
Her: no

What lie did she say?
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asdf8562
04/15/17 6:58:07 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
If you're afraid of somebody being transgender, then it's on you to say that you can't date them.

Same thing with dog people who refuse to date somebody with a cat.

If it's "just a preference" then it's on you to ask if they're trans.

So in other words, you promote deception. Deliberate deception as the TG is purposely hiding a deal breaking detail to get sex.
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asdf8562
04/15/17 6:59:40 PM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...
asdf8562 posted...
Microwaved_Eggs posted...
asdf8562 posted...
Jon_Gruden posted...
It doesnt warrant even being upset tbqh. In todays society its just one of those things you have to be aware of. So his response should've been, "Oh ur a man, sorry I'm not interested, I'll have my money back, k bye" Dont make excuses for the guys rage.

No one is doing that.

Its already been established murder is wrong, and worse than rape. That shouldnt have to be posted in every post like a disclaimer.

He paid her to suck his dick

How is that rape

The TG lied. Its rape by deception.

What did she say that was dishonest? Do you think that something like this went down?

Him: yo do u have a wiener?
Her: no

What lie did she say?

Dont know if I should take this post seriously as this shouldnt have to be answered.

The dude thought the TG was a woman, born a woman, and had a vagina. He paid the TG because of that. Its common sense what the TG's deception was.
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Microwaved_Eggs
04/15/17 7:00:17 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
If you're afraid of somebody being transgender, then it's on you to say that you can't date them.

Same thing with dog people who refuse to date somebody with a cat.

If it's "just a preference" then it's on you to ask if they're trans.

So in other words, you promote deception. Deliberate deception as the TG is purposely hiding a deal breaking detail to get sex.

Personally, I wouldn't want to have sex with a smoker because smoking grosses me out.

Is it rape if I ask a smoker if they want to smash and they say yes, but don't telepathically know I find smoking gross and therefore tell me?
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asdf8562
04/15/17 7:08:01 PM
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Microwaved_Eggs posted...

Personally, I wouldn't want to have sex with a smoker because smoking grosses me out.

Is it rape if I ask a smoker if they want to smash and they say yes, but don't telepathically know I find smoking gross and therefore tell me?

If said smoker literally pretends he isnt a smoker, then breaks it to you after the deed was done, and you still didnt like it, then yes.

Being TG is a known deal breaker, its nothing new hence why the TG hid it until after the act. Getting a straight guy to have sex with a TG is not ground breaking news that they tend to not want to have sex with them. So to deliberately hide it, and then go "hehe, oh btw Im a TG" after you get sex, Its deliberate deception for the purpose of getting sex.
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