Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Topic 9: Zidane Sucks (Here's 20 reasons he WON'T Trance)

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Now in a game of semantics, no one really could come to a consensus on what a 'surge of emotions' was. I've always subscribed to the theory that people dying around you is quite the emotional event. But you ask people like Kanzaris and he'd say well well uh Trance, Kuja, doesn't work, Trust Me I Researched This, and something about losing emotions when you're thrown into a psycho machine. Also that Death can tank nuclear bombs because it isn't Holy elemental. ...I digress.

I'll always have great respect for the game FFD player. He managed to do so much while paying attention exactly half the time. If he actually gave it his all, and didn't have a weird complex about losing, I think he'd have won M4.

But he lost, along with me (but not REALLY).

Lopen was KILLED. He was FFD, TOWN Watcher.

We could talk about TheArkOfTurus but he really is a minute footnote upon the game. Well, I suppose he's one of the very few teams with a losing record that I only managed to have a .500 winning record on. Yeah, that's basically the only reason I made him a vanilla. [[IGCD has been MODKILLED for breaking the rules. Cardinal rule #1: Play to win!]]

PLAYING WITH FIRE (8):

1. Ben
6. Death (replaced JC)
8. Oddity
9. Tony
10. Eaed
12. Scare
14. Mzero
16. MenuWars (replaced Shad)


feeling the pain from the DISGRUNTLED BADMIN TEAM (8):

LD1: Ulti: Drakeryn, INDEPENDENT Spectator (renamed Survivor)
KN1: ""Sir"" ""Chris"": Boko, TOWN Doctor
KN1: JeezyMiyagi, TOWN RNJesus
LD2:. Kanz: Luis, BADMIN Yes Man
KN2: Corrik: trdl, TOWN Thief
LD3 Johnbobb: Lopen, BADMIN "The" Badmin
MKN3: Jaded_Eye: JC, TOWN Conspiracy Target
KN3: Leo: KanzarisKelshen, TOWN Scumlord
MKD4: IfGodCouldDie: TheArkOfTurus, TOWN Vanilla
KN4: Lopen: FFD, TOWN Watcher


It is now Day 5. With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends Monday, 4/17/2017 at 9:00 PM EST.
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The modkills were justified but I can't help being pissed scum got a free get out of jail free card. I'm just going to assume Eaed is town for being so damn agreeable to his lynch combined with his claim.

Death put in some good work towards the end of the day and solidified my town read of him. Mzero I still feel is likely town. That leaves Tony, Scare, Oddity and Ben.

My moneys still on Oddity, still don't have anything to solidly say makes him town, he's happy to live on the information and thoughts of others in spite of only having "gut reads" and is almost mocking about it. Got no time for it.

##Vote: Oddity
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Also not quite sure why we needed a new topic when the old one was only on page 2, but this seems like the official topic now... so I'm gonna keep posting here unless told otherwise.
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# 4 - He will be too weighed down by the sadness of his teammate's brutal death and instead of getting angry and murdering everyone will instead become useless.
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Pretty fucking lame we're down two because of modkills.

IGCD what were you thinking, dude??

I'm of course down with an Oddity lynch.
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The funny thing about it is realistically you could argue he WAS playing to win because him flipping out was making people reconsider his lynch, but the complete implosion at the end killed any possible gambit he was going for and just made it seem petulant. Glad Gravy manned up and got it done, cus those kind of modkills are the only ways we'll ever learn not to do it.

Anyway Tony, what's brought you round on Oddity?
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I've been ok with lynching Oddity all game.

Unless I'm confusing him for someone else, he's had multiple bandwagon posts that were literally just the vote with zero explanation or justification.
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As far as the modkills goes, as soon as he tagged Gravy is had to be done tbh.

A fake or even real meltdown is fine, but if you're literally saying to the game "host, look at this", I think there's too much meta-ing that could be done off of that, and it breaks the spirit of the game.
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Indeed. I don't remember you ever pushing for an Oddity lynch before now. Who are your other scumspects?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

# 4 - He will be too weighed down by the sadness of his teammate's brutal death and instead of getting angry and murdering everyone will instead become useless.

yes that's true, and also seems something like kanz said from his ""RESEARCH"" of final fantasy 9, citing the pandemonium scene and zidane becoming despondent for 30 minutes of his life (which is a very small fraction i may say so myself)
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While yesterday I spent entirely on Ben, Oddity and Ben (and IGCD <_<;;) have been at the top of my scumlist most of the game, and they haven't changed my mind.
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greengravy294 posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

# 4 - He will be too weighed down by the sadness of his teammate's brutal death and instead of getting angry and murdering everyone will instead become useless.

yes that's true, and also seems something like kanz said from his ""RESEARCH"" of final fantasy 9, citing the pandemonium scene and zidane becoming despondent for 30 minutes of his life (which is a very small fraction i may say so myself)

# 15 - He actually doesn't have a DEEP EMOTIONAL BOND with his team mates so their tragedy is not enough to enrage him, so he cannot go fully trance and unleash the ass kicking that put him on par, in the canon (a little thing we know) with Kuja. Instead, he will flail uselessly and be worth 2/week up keep since we all know he isn't anywhere close to Cloud or Squall since here is a MERE THIEF.

I think I am doing this right.
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Seeing as you guys are doing this in here, my issue with Zidane is that nothing about him seems as overwhelmingly powerful as Kujas kit.

But he canonically is even more powerful, so I don't get why there'd be such a hubbub about it.
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Give me your read of Ben in detail Tony, I'm still unfamiliar with him but out of the people left he seems more likely than Death or Mzero, even Eaed.

Part of testing someone is to see just how agreeable they are to it, and Eaed didn't put a single fight at all and thought it was better to use his role than not, perhaps he's better scum than I think he is, but I don't see him coming across as that genuine unless that was his actual role.
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I think I was the only one in the entire game with Trance respect, but I'm a filthy FF9 fanboy
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people respected trance but only if a dirty ABILITY caused it to occur otherwise TOO STRONG

anyway lets not clog up this exciting game of mafia reminiscing on beautiful exciting stories of political intrigue
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Death did step it up last night and I'm starting to come around on him... although I think if he is town he played Day 1 really, really poorly. But I digress

I think I'm leaning more towards Oddity today. It's no secret I've been wary of him all game, and he still hasn't really done anything to look better in my eyes. Not going to vote yet though. Still not a big fan of Ben's and Scare really needs to do more. I think the lynch today is one of those three, and personally I prefer Oddity

I agree that eaed's reaction yesterday was very pro-town. I have a solid Town read on Menu and a less solid Town read on Tony.
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MenuWars posted...

Give me your read of Ben in detail Tony, I'm still unfamiliar with him but out of the people left he seems more likely than Death or Mzero, even Eaed.

Starting Day 1, Johnbob posted like twice, barely anything posts, and Ben said he was "strong Town".

I recall Ben saying something about Kanz being scum that day, too.

Day 2 rolls around, and Corrik did his thing with Kanz, and I don't recall Ben contributing much to that.

Then the lynch rolls over to Johnbob, and Ben didn't raise a fuss.

But then, when the lynch quickly moved onto Kanz, Ben showed up to say something like "this lynch is like a present! :)"

There's more to it that I explained yesterday, but I'm out of time at the moment.
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no archive in the first post

Gravy worst host N/A
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Well, IGCD really sucked it up there. Also, kind of thought I would be a lynch target today. In my defense I was very for killing Johnbob day 1 and 2 so.. yah. Frankly, I want to lynch tony or scare. So... anybody want to discuss anything??
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Oh... no justification? For which vote? I give short justifications, I'll give you that. But all my votes are genuine, exempting possibly the early early lopen one.
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Shit... actually if we have 3 scum left it's lylo, right? This sucks. Tomorrow I'm going to have to attempt to fit in a lot of reading of the game (I have a big to-do list this weekend).
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I hadn't really considered the possibility of it being mylo, with an indie and town being pretty stacked I'd assumed scum were small and powerful.

Here's the thing oddity, you haven't been a driving force behind anything all game, and while I'm unfamiliar with you in mafia I do know that as town you should at least be trying to push things in the direction you want your reads to go in, and I've not seen that from you once.

You just hop on something like, yeah okay whatever... and then you're gone.
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I agree Eaed is a lot townier now. He had no way of knowing IGCD was going to go and get himself modkilled, and seemed to be on board with Menu's plan to kill him. The claim is weird, but the behavior is town.

I'm not totally confident in lynching Oddity yet. Again, because of that claim he made to Corrik. Am I the only one who thinks of it that way?
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I'd prefer a Death lynch still. Not opposed to an Oddity lynch though.

Actually I don't like a lot of people still. Death, Oddity, Ben, Tony, Eaed


Hmm. Can someone give me the totals again
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

MenuWars posted...

Give me your read of Ben in detail Tony, I'm still unfamiliar with him but out of the people left he seems more likely than Death or Mzero, even Eaed.

Starting Day 1, Johnbob posted like twice, barely anything posts, and Ben said he was "strong Town".

I recall Ben saying something about Kanz being scum that day, too.

Day 2 rolls around, and Corrik did his thing with Kanz, and I don't recall Ben contributing much to that.

Then the lynch rolls over to Johnbob, and Ben didn't raise a fuss.

But then, when the lynch quickly moved onto Kanz, Ben showed up to say something like "this lynch is like a present! :)"

There's more to it that I explained yesterday, but I'm out of time at the moment.

These are wrong though. I never said he was strong town at all. I said that my read was very weak, and that i only thought he was towny because he "sounded like a nice guy". Yes I said that.

No, that;s the conversation that made me realize Kanz was scum. I definitely posted about everything I noticed too, which amounted to like 15 posts in a row lol

And then that whole day I was telling people to move to Kanz. I remember that for a fact that I didnt like Johnbob getting lynched, hated the train, and spent the whole day convincing people to jump over.
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benjamin3740 posted...

I agree Eaed is a lot townier now. He had no way of knowing IGCD was going to go and get himself modkilled, and seemed to be on board with Menu's plan to kill him. The claim is weird, but the behavior is town.

I'm not totally confident in lynching Oddity yet. Again, because of that claim he made to Corrik. Am I the only one who thinks of it that way?

It can just as easily be a refutable soft claim to out power for scums benefits.

Oh you won't die tonight says scum, how the hell do you know that, says town bodyguard, etc etc. So it's a null tell as it could work as either alignment.
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ScareChan posted...

I'd prefer a Death lynch still. Not opposed to an Oddity lynch though.

Actually I don't like a lot of people still. Death, Oddity, Ben, Tony, Eaed


Hmm. Can someone give me the totals again

I mean at this point I flat out refuse to believe Death is so bad he does that as scum, and if he turns out to be scum I'll just murder him every single time he does anything that doesn't make sense in future. I have more respect for him than to believe he asks a town for ideas on his own role as scum. He also put in some genuine work yesterday.

As for votals thanks to the IGCD fiasco I don't think we ever got any for yesterday and I'm too lazy to go count em. IGCD was clearly winning from the look of it, but that's about all I got from it.


Can you go into details on your reads?
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##Vote: Tony

For wanting to kill me so bad yesterday and today whilst being so off about what the truth really is. It's just never felt to me like a genuine suspicion of me.

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MenuWars posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

I agree Eaed is a lot townier now. He had no way of knowing IGCD was going to go and get himself modkilled, and seemed to be on board with Menu's plan to kill him. The claim is weird, but the behavior is town.

I'm not totally confident in lynching Oddity yet. Again, because of that claim he made to Corrik. Am I the only one who thinks of it that way?

It can just as easily be a refutable soft claim to out power for scums benefits.

Oh you won't die tonight says scum, how the hell do you know that, says town bodyguard, etc etc. So it's a null tell as it could work as either alignment.

Hmm. I guess it is. I'd never seen scum do that, and it felt genuine when Oddity did it. I guess I just read him townier than Tony and Scare
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Honestly I do not have anything great. I have been sick (and in pain I have a pinched nerve apparently and its killing me) and have not given the game my full attention. I have barely reread anything and just kind of took everything from intial impressions


Death, as I have said, I did not like how he did not say anything when Ben claimed PJ. He has gone over it, but I didnt like the catch that Miz had, and he agreed that he slipped. I have given some open mindedness about the fact that if he is scum it was scum v scum v scum, which makes it less likely to be a thing, but it has happened before and just because its low probability doesnt just clear him.

Ben is also due to early game. I did not like the pj claim even as a joke. When he pulled it back I pressed him to claim and he would not do it just saying that he would have proof of his claim before he would do so. Days later he fakes a scan on two now confirmed (and ironically both modkilled) Townies and then claims vanilla himself. A lot of this gives me pause and cause for concern because I feel like if he was just vanilla he could have just cleared himself day 1 by saying he messed up. The way it was drug out means he had plenty of time to get help from his team, and then when his plan backfired he backpedaled.

Oddity has mostly been his precense and tone. I feel like a lot of his content is forced and fake, trying to appear active but I dont feel he has really had an impact on the game. He self proclaimed that he is better as scum than town, so being around just enough to appear like he is doing something when doing nothing makes me weary of him.

Tony I feel is scum because he has seemed competent this game which is a scum tony trait since as town he ususally bungles something up or does something that makes no sense. He always seems to be around and contribute justy emough that he seems like he knows more than he should

Eaed I do not like the claim and his activity has been really low. I get IRL stuff because I havent been around much either, but I just dont feel effort in his content and he claimed a great "buy some time" role. He essentialy claimed bomb
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Having put all my thoughts down, I feel like I can wait on Death. Maybe I am tunnelling him a bit too much. I feel he is scum but I can put him lower priority.

I feel the best move today is lynching Eaed. I feel like he is scum anyways, but on the chance he is town we at least get an extra day if he poisons scum
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I haven't been a driving force behind anything because my scum reads have not been great. I believe I went over this. But I'm all for a Tony lynch today, if anybody was paying attention to my block posts yesterday, Kanz posted what I consider a scumpoke.

I'll say this my townreads have been pretty good.

Utli - town-ish, he wasn't scum
Corrik - town
Jade - town

scumreads

johnbob
initially Kanz but then I suffered some indecision when there was no 'scan' on him and he soft-counterclaimed
Death - I'm beginning to question this one.

I don't need to drive a lynch if my lynchee is being driven.
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Why am I and I'm assuming Mzero town?

I can take into account that you've been ill it happens, but it also feels like you've got too many people you're setting up for lynches also.

I do get what you're saying about Tony though, everytime I've played with him and he's been town I've been clamouring at the bit to lynch him, but haven't felt that way about him at all this game. But it's been a while since I've played so I've assumed he's improved.
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oh also, ben, I have had a strong townread of him all game, but I'm starting to just consider the possibility that he's really gud at fooling me.
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Scare, I make a point when I am vanilla to act like power (hence the comment I made to you) to try and draw the kill, and to also make a power role fake claim at some point. I hate feeling useless and thus want to do all I can with a vanilla role. A fake claim is just something I've done every game here, and I targeted those players for fine reasons. Jaded was someone who was super inactive and I really wanted to get substantial posts out of by pressuring him with that. IGCD had already claimed (So what are my scum motives by claiming something on him?) and as soon as he made those posts in response to it, I told him that I was bluffing, so he had convinced me he was Town. Dont know what was so bad about that play.
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menu, you're not town, I need more evidence on you tbqh. It necessitates some rereading. MZero has been digging up valuable town info from the archives, he's town.
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Well you were incredibly indecisive on Jade in my opinion, so it's odd you fling him into the definitely town pile of your reads after the fact. Only reason I think he's town is cus he flipped it.
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*because he had convinced me he was town
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scare, if we mislynch ed and there are 3 scum, we lose. I have a vague townvibe from ed just based on how he's reacted with his claim etc. Pls do not lynch.
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Initially, my reads of jade were bad, but then he claimed and they solidified.
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Oddity posted...

menu, you're not town, I need more evidence on you tbqh. It necessitates some rereading. MZero has been digging up valuable town info from the archives, he's town.

I was talking to scare and you reappeared and punctuated the conversation.
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and that's... scummy?
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The one part of my town game that's always sucked is my honesty with my claims. I really need to address this, wish I'd claimed BG.
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Oddity posted...

and that's... scummy?

No? I'm just saying I wasn't saying you assumed I was town, but scare's called me town repeatedly and I'd like him to elaborate.
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Anybody down for a Tony lynch?

##Vote: Tony
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Oddity posted...

Anybody down for a Tony lynch?

##Vote: Tony

ME ME ME ME ME
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You (Menu) I have felt town since you entered. If you are scum you deserve to win because you have me fooled completely. You just have town fire to you, just the vibe I get. MZero is the one that brought up good points on Death and his slip and the way he dug it up and put effort just makes me feel townie on him.

And yeah I defintely have too many people I'm concerned about, but as you can see no one has really made me feel they are very townie.

To trim it down, I will say Death and Ben are ones I am probably the most stubborn about. Tony just makes sense as scum, Oddity is right in the middle, and Eaed is the best lynch.
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