Board 8 > Androids 17's return for the first time in 20 years was amazing!!!

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Bhaas1107
04/15/17 9:25:33 PM
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So great.
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MenuWars
04/15/17 9:29:56 PM
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I'm probably way late to the party on this but, MWC?
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Bhaas1107
04/15/17 11:08:14 PM
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MenuWars posted...
I'm probably way late to the party on this but, MWC?



Hi
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ninkendo
04/16/17 12:31:21 AM
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I was more shocked they're looking to make Uub canon
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 12:41:06 AM
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ninkendo posted...
I was more shocked they're looking to make Uub canon

Why?

They've talked about him once already. Once Bra Bulls became a thing, it was obvious that End of Z was gonna be shoved in.... somehow.
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ninkendo
04/16/17 12:43:36 AM
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oh right I was forgetting he was at the end of Z

carry on
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ninkendo
04/16/17 12:44:03 AM
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also Goku still straight up being the villain intending to murder 17 in their spar
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StealThisSheen
04/16/17 12:44:08 AM
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Damn, 17 got a hell of a power boost
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ninkendo
04/16/17 12:52:03 AM
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 12:53:42 AM
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ninkendo posted...
also Goku still straight up being the villain intending to murder 17 in their spar



He is surely an asshole, yes.


"I'll try not to kill you"
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 12:54:57 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Damn, 17 got a hell of a power boost



Not including Roshi, at this time there is a legit chance that 18 or Piccolo might be the weakest, since everyone else has gotten god level boosts so far.
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INCEPTlON
04/16/17 8:01:58 AM
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Love 17's new characterization
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 11:26:22 AM
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INCEPTlON posted...
Love 17's new characterization



Yeah, it's so great.
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redrocket_pub
04/16/17 11:46:25 AM
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Is there anything still likable about Goku?
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 11:56:29 AM
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redrocket_pub posted...
Is there anything still likable about Goku?



He LITERALLY fought 17 today without asking, he powered up and charged a guy with intent to beat him up.....

No, there is NOTHING likeable about Goku anymore. Vegeta may still be the second main character, but he is obviously the main protagonist, cause Goku is not that anymore.
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ninkendo
04/16/17 12:17:48 PM
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I just like that they're finally admitting what Goku has been since Post-Cell Games
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redrocket_pub
04/16/17 1:19:35 PM
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Intentional character assassination by AT in revenge for the fanboys that forced him to retain Goku as the main character after the Cell Saga?
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SovietOmega
04/16/17 3:08:34 PM
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Hasn't Goku always just wanted to fite strong people? It just happens that he ran out of stuff in his universe to fight to save the day and has to now threaten the multiverse to get his jollies. He's never been much of a hero, he's just been put in heroic situations from time to time.
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 3:12:19 PM
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SovietOmega posted...
Hasn't Goku always just wanted to fite strong people? It just happens that he ran out of stuff in his universe to fight to save the day and has to now threaten the multiverse to get his jollies. He's never been much of a hero, he's just been put in heroic situations from time to time.


No, he has definitely been heroic previously, he has been flanderized to a crazy degree by Super.
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ninkendo
04/16/17 5:37:56 PM
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after he died against Cell his personality started to shift to where protecting earth was no longer his main priority and fighting strong guys took over

then it became obsessive and his only reason for existing
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ninkendo
04/16/17 5:38:05 PM
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 5:49:51 PM
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ninkendo posted...
after he died against Cell his personality started to shift to where protecting earth was no longer his main priority and fighting strong guys took over

then it became obsessive and his only reason for existing



Buu was ok. He still CLEARLY was kinda heroic. Like, he wouldn't even fight Super Buu cause he knew he would die and that would be it. Again, Super is complete flanderized.
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redrocket_pub
04/16/17 5:50:48 PM
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Bhaas1107 posted...
ninkendo posted...
after he died against Cell his personality started to shift to where protecting earth was no longer his main priority and fighting strong guys took over

then it became obsessive and his only reason for existing



Buu was ok. He still CLEARLY was kinda heroic. Like, he wouldn't even fight Super Buu cause he knew he would die and that would be it. Again, Super is complete flanderized.


But is it character assassination?
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 5:51:46 PM
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ninkendo posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHIv69nbTfI


totally not a villain



Why do you think he is a villain in that opening?
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 5:53:54 PM
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redrocket_pub posted...
Bhaas1107 posted...
ninkendo posted...
after he died against Cell his personality started to shift to where protecting earth was no longer his main priority and fighting strong guys took over

then it became obsessive and his only reason for existing



Buu was ok. He still CLEARLY was kinda heroic. Like, he wouldn't even fight Super Buu cause he knew he would die and that would be it. Again, Super is complete flanderized.


But is it character assassination?


Yup
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ninkendo
04/16/17 6:11:47 PM
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I said totally not a villain I'm sorry if you thought I was being sarcastic there
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 6:14:47 PM
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ninkendo posted...
I said totally not a villain I'm sorry if you thought I was being sarcastic there



Ah. Ok. Thx.
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Wedge Antilles
04/16/17 6:22:02 PM
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These past few episodes are making Goku look kind of weak. Yeah he's holding back, but Krillin shouldn't be able to stop a kamehameha from Goku even holding back.
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GANON1025
04/16/17 6:24:18 PM
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Goku's actions in Super are perfectly in line with what he did in Z.
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Emeraldegg
04/16/17 6:28:07 PM
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Wedge Antilles posted...
These past few episodes are making Goku look kind of weak. Yeah he's holding back, but Krillin shouldn't be able to stop a kamehameha from Goku even holding back.

I keep seeing stuff about "ki control such and such" and I guess the question that needs to be asked is, can SSB Goku intentionally be weaker than his base form/SSJ? Like if he can what's even the point? At this point it just feels like they're trying to shove SSB down our throats.
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 6:29:45 PM
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Wedge Antilles posted...
These past few episodes are making Goku look kind of weak. Yeah he's holding back, but Krillin shouldn't be able to stop a kamehameha from Goku even holding back.



Yes he should. With Blue he can make his power whatever he wants, as high or low.
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Emeraldegg
04/16/17 6:30:33 PM
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GANON1025 posted...
Goku's actions in Super are perfectly in line with what he did in Z.

I disagree. HIs actions now are more in line with how vegeta was during the cell saga. Goku wanted to wait to fight cell till he knew he could beat him, vegeta let cell get stronger just to fight him, despite it putting the entire world at risk. Goku did get worse about it during buu saga, what with holding back during his first bout with kid buu, but buu saga /= all of Z
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 6:31:45 PM
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Emeraldegg posted...
Wedge Antilles posted...
These past few episodes are making Goku look kind of weak. Yeah he's holding back, but Krillin shouldn't be able to stop a kamehameha from Goku even holding back.

I keep seeing stuff about "ki control such and such" and I guess the question that needs to be asked is, can SSB Goku intentionally be weaker than his base form/SSJ? Like if he can what's even the point? At this point it just feels like they're trying to shove SSB down our throats.



Yes he can.

That's why the laser from Frieza hit him in Blue. Because like in his base (and maybe still SSJ) he can regulate his power to whatever he wants from 5 to quintillions
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Bhaas1107
04/16/17 6:35:49 PM
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Emeraldegg posted...
GANON1025 posted...
Goku's actions in Super are perfectly in line with what he did in Z.

I disagree. HIs actions now are more in line with how vegeta was during the cell saga. Goku wanted to wait to fight cell till he knew he could beat him, vegeta let cell get stronger just to fight him, despite it putting the entire world at risk. Goku did get worse about it during buu saga, what with holding back during his first bout with kid buu, but buu saga /= all of Z


Even in Buu, it wasn't like this. Forget Toei and dub Super Hero Goku, even original manga Goku was not near as stupid and or not caring as this Goku.
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Emeraldegg
04/16/17 6:37:31 PM
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Bhaas1107 posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
GANON1025 posted...
Goku's actions in Super are perfectly in line with what he did in Z.

I disagree. HIs actions now are more in line with how vegeta was during the cell saga. Goku wanted to wait to fight cell till he knew he could beat him, vegeta let cell get stronger just to fight him, despite it putting the entire world at risk. Goku did get worse about it during buu saga, what with holding back during his first bout with kid buu, but buu saga /= all of Z


Even in Buu, it wasn't like this. Forget Toei and dub Super Hero Goku, even original manga Goku was not near as stupid and or not caring as this Goku.

I wasn't saying he was like this exactly, just that there was an element of this character there. I agree that it's super flanderized.
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GANON1025
04/16/17 6:46:07 PM
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Agree to disagree then.
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GANON1025
04/16/17 7:18:11 PM
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In any case, this episode proves just how good Dr. Gero was at making these androids
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Pokewars
04/17/17 1:51:54 AM
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Hell yeah, 17!!!! So glad he's back.
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Bhaas1107
04/17/17 2:00:05 AM
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Pokewars posted...
Hell yeah, 17!!!! So glad he's back.



I think everyone is.
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GuessMyUserName
04/17/17 2:01:55 AM
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Emeraldegg posted...
Wedge Antilles posted...
These past few episodes are making Goku look kind of weak. Yeah he's holding back, but Krillin shouldn't be able to stop a kamehameha from Goku even holding back.

I keep seeing stuff about "ki control such and such" and I guess the question that needs to be asked is, can SSB Goku intentionally be weaker than his base form/SSJ? Like if he can what's even the point? At this point it just feels like they're trying to shove SSB down our throats.

It's particularly bizarre when we just had gods from all different universes freak out when Goku went Blue in front of them.

.... and then a few episodes later he uses it on someone like Krillin, a human who only recently got back into training.
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