Current Events > whys Persona 5 so much harder than Golden

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game series are supposed to get easier the more mainstream they become
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5 regressed to the cheap bullshit from 3 and I hate it
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Honestly after the 1st dungeon it is about the same difficulty. You could always go easy mode...you just have to know how to conserve sp and where to get recovery items for it. It definitely doesn't have the annoying older features 3 had. People forget that extra abilities were random and you had to reload and reroll.
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Stallion_Prime posted...

5 regressed to the cheap bullshit from 3 and I hate it

get good
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Golden introduced recovery mechanics that weren't present in the base game and is a lot easier because of it. But the base game didn't have that. If they come out with p5 again rebalanced I'm sure it'll be easier. Or just play on easy or whatever the difficulty where you basically can't die is. P5 isn't any harder than p4 base game was. Golden is just that way so people who've already played it can get through it easier/faster.

akatsukiba posted...

Stallion_Prime posted...

5 regressed to the cheap bullshit from 3 and I hate it

get good

Just because you think something Is cheap doesn't mean you're not good at it. Nice try
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I'm playing on hard right now because I played Golden on hard and the thing about Golden for me personally was that when I hit a little past midgame the rest of the game was a breeze

I just finished struggling through the first boss so I'm gonna keep it on hard for now but theres a chance I'll just restart on normal
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I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?
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Only the first palace is hard. Swift Strike Matador destroys the next boss and you need it with magaru for Strength anyway. Once you get a Sp patch from Death you can heal faster than swift strike will drain you and its good until end game. Seriously Byakko gives the Swift Strike skill card and its one of the highest temperance persona.
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Butterfiles posted...

I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?

There are cards at the end of every battle that you can use to recover HP, SP, get money, or get persona. Staying in a dungeon or clearing it in one go is way easier because of this. Especially if you haven't done the hermit s link. I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

P5 on hard demands that you maximize your time management so you can both grind and up your confidants effectively. If you don't, it's basically just a constant slog.
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Jet_Enduro101 posted...

I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

Their's a few changes. The main boss of the first dungeon has a weakness in P4G but not P4 for example.

I actually enjoy the difficulty

But I really hate how getting ambushed is basically a game over on Hard
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*Makes sexual innuendo joke*
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I wanted to keep a good Arsene through the entire game too but i dont think i can do that now
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I've finished two palaces and the difficulty is a joke on normal. Hell I forgot to by armor all the way until the second palaces boss.
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I wasted an two hours of progress in P4 becaues I thought to myself "just one more level"

the first enemy on the next level one shot the protagonist by mudo
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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Honestly after the 1st dungeon it is about the same difficulty. You could always go easy mode...you just have to know how to conserve sp and where to get recovery items for it. It definitely doesn't have the annoying older features 3 had. People forget that extra abilities were random and you had to reload and reroll.

You talking about inheritance skills during fusion being randomly assigned?

Yeah, I remember that in Nocturne. I swear, a couples hours of my play time must've been dedicated just to refilling for the right set up. It's easier if you know which demons have an easier time inheriting which abilities and then making a few that have most or all of a certain ability type. Then using them for sacrifice fodder. But that's expensive, especially on Hard Mode.
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Golden was dumbed down, 4 was much harder
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I play these shits on safe. Fucking absolutely hate the actual RPG parts of Persona games. Don't think there's a single other thing in gaming I hate more than being forced to go through that.
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I get that you played hard mode in p4g, but complaining about a game being hard to beat on hard mode is kinda dumb, duder.

I had a quick bitch about it on Discord after a rough day, and it made me feel better. Thanks.
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wait, i don't remember needing to reload for the inheritance skills in P3

i thought you just previewed the persona and then looked at its skills, then back out and re-do it until the skills are there
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Jet_Enduro101 posted...

Butterfiles posted...

I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?

There are cards at the end of every battle that you can use to recover HP, SP, get money, or get persona. Staying in a dungeon or clearing it in one go is way easier because of this. Especially if you haven't done the hermit s link. I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

you arent supposed to clear it in one go in p5, clearly

FighterStreet posted...

Jet_Enduro101 posted...

Butterfiles posted...

I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?

There are cards at the end of every battle that you can use to recover HP, SP, get money, or get persona. Staying in a dungeon or clearing it in one go is way easier because of this. Especially if you haven't done the hermit s link. I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

you arent supposed to clear it in one go in p5, clearly

Im on hard in p5 and apart from the first palace ive cleared them all (or as much as the story would let me) in 1 trip
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Rika_Furude posted...

FighterStreet posted...

Jet_Enduro101 posted...

Butterfiles posted...

I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?

There are cards at the end of every battle that you can use to recover HP, SP, get money, or get persona. Staying in a dungeon or clearing it in one go is way easier because of this. Especially if you haven't done the hermit s link. I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

you arent supposed to clear it in one go in p5, clearly

Im on hard in p5 and apart from the first palace ive cleared them all (or as much as the story would let me) in 1 trip

im playing hard and clear it in two trips. i could do it in one, dont see the fucking point though

FighterStreet posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

FighterStreet posted...

Jet_Enduro101 posted...

Butterfiles posted...

I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?

There are cards at the end of every battle that you can use to recover HP, SP, get money, or get persona. Staying in a dungeon or clearing it in one go is way easier because of this. Especially if you haven't done the hermit s link. I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

you arent supposed to clear it in one go in p5, clearly

Im on hard in p5 and apart from the first palace ive cleared them all (or as much as the story would let me) in 1 trip

im playing hard and clear it in two trips. i could do it in one, dont see the fucking point though

Doing it in as few trips as possible means more days spent on confidants and social skills.
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Esrac posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Honestly after the 1st dungeon it is about the same difficulty. You could always go easy mode...you just have to know how to conserve sp and where to get recovery items for it. It definitely doesn't have the annoying older features 3 had. People forget that extra abilities were random and you had to reload and reroll.

You talking about inheritance skills during fusion being randomly assigned?

Yeah, I remember that in Nocturne. I swear, a couples hours of my play time must've been dedicated just to refilling for the right set up. It's easier if you know which demons have an easier time inheriting which abilities and then making a few that have most or all of a certain ability type. Then using them for sacrifice fodder. But that's expensive, especially on Hard Mode.

Random inheritance skills was the best thing to get rid of in my opinion. That shit was just annoying to deal with.
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Stallion_Prime posted...

akatsukiba posted...

Stallion_Prime posted...

5 regressed to the cheap bullshit from 3 and I hate it

get good

Just because you think something Is cheap doesn't mean you're not good at it. Nice try

Fair, but if it's cheap and simple, the solution must be as well.
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meestermj posted...

FighterStreet posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

FighterStreet posted...

Jet_Enduro101 posted...

Butterfiles posted...

I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?

There are cards at the end of every battle that you can use to recover HP, SP, get money, or get persona. Staying in a dungeon or clearing it in one go is way easier because of this. Especially if you haven't done the hermit s link. I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

you arent supposed to clear it in one go in p5, clearly

Im on hard in p5 and apart from the first palace ive cleared them all (or as much as the story would let me) in 1 trip

im playing hard and clear it in two trips. i could do it in one, dont see the fucking point though

Doing it in as few trips as possible means more days spent on confidants and social skills.

why would i care? you'll what, have 7 more days total but you'll have far less gold because you have to buy soma items and overall the game will more of a hassle?

ArthasReborn posted...

Esrac posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

Honestly after the 1st dungeon it is about the same difficulty. You could always go easy mode...you just have to know how to conserve sp and where to get recovery items for it. It definitely doesn't have the annoying older features 3 had. People forget that extra abilities were random and you had to reload and reroll.

You talking about inheritance skills during fusion being randomly assigned?

Yeah, I remember that in Nocturne. I swear, a couples hours of my play time must've been dedicated just to refilling for the right set up. It's easier if you know which demons have an easier time inheriting which abilities and then making a few that have most or all of a certain ability type. Then using them for sacrifice fodder. But that's expensive, especially on Hard Mode.

Random inheritance skills was the best thing to get rid of in my opinion. That shit was just annoying to deal with.

Totally. I played through Nocturne again about a year ago, a Hard Mode New Game run, and rerolling for the good skills you want on a new demon was such a chore. It's the only thing about the game I don't love.
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i hate how the game ends if the main character dies. it's so bullshit because tons of enemies have one hit kill moves or can just take you down with one hit and a 1 more.

other than that it's not TOO difficult, it's challenging but not too bad most of the time
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Two_Dee posted...

wait, i don't remember needing to reload for the inheritance skills in P3

i thought you just previewed the persona and then looked at its skills, then back out and re-do it until the skills are there

what you said is right

also hard mode is just cheap cuz it's just inflated damage. but first dungeon is still the most challenging one so far, still managed to do it in a day
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it's not harder, you're just forgetting that the start of persona is always the hardest of it. Since you have no good ways to deal with SP running out (compounded with the lack of ma- skills) and limited ways to deal with weaknesses (and limiting your own)
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4 was much harder solely from the fact that its dungeons had no safe rooms / checkpoints

So far 5 has been easy as hell. All you have to do is stock up on sp & revival items, learn the enemy weaknesses and keep the mc alive. For the real bosses it's even easier because you have one of your party members sneak around to help you out which makes the battle finish faster. I beat the first dungeon on my first try and I beat the second dungeon yesterday on my second try.
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FighterStreet posted...

meestermj posted...

FighterStreet posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

FighterStreet posted...

Jet_Enduro101 posted...

Butterfiles posted...

I haven't played Golden but how does it compare to regular Persona 4 difficulty wise?

Is it the same or are there new mechanics?

There are cards at the end of every battle that you can use to recover HP, SP, get money, or get persona. Staying in a dungeon or clearing it in one go is way easier because of this. Especially if you haven't done the hermit s link. I think the enemies are the same difficulty though, other than new content.

you arent supposed to clear it in one go in p5, clearly

Im on hard in p5 and apart from the first palace ive cleared them all (or as much as the story would let me) in 1 trip

im playing hard and clear it in two trips. i could do it in one, dont see the fucking point though

Doing it in as few trips as possible means more days spent on confidants and social skills.

why would i care? you'll what, have 7 more days total but you'll have far less gold because you have to buy soma items and overall the game will more of a hassle?

For people who want Max social link runs they need to beat the palaces on the first trip. For everyone else, it doesn't really matter
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If you're having trouble, get these.

Devil rank 7 7 SP per turn accessory for 50k

Heirophant until you can make master coffee. 100 SP. You can make better coffees, but I don't think Temperance makes them for you. I could be wrong.

Temperance rank 10 you can call her to massage you after every dungeon run for an extra time slot, she'll disrupt classes for you giving you a free craft/reading slot in class, and you can call her every night to make coffees for you

Mementos boss money trick. Confuse a boss and it drops a lot of money for you. The more luck stat you have, the more money they'll drop. A lot of them are very easy to confuse. I got 1 mil in a single fight. With an SP accessory equipped, this can be done indefinitely.
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Golden was made even easier than P4 already was. Stop being a bitch
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Hard? The first dungeon was only really hard cause you had nothing to manage your SP with, past that it isn't even remotely hard cept for certain parts, but even then not that bad.
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Pics_nao_plz posted...

Golden was made even easier than P4 already was. Stop being a bitch

oh and that, the request for ez pz sp make it even easier, so i guess p5 is harder than.
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Two_Dee posted...

I'm playing on hard right now because I played Golden on hard and the thing about Golden for me personally was that when I hit a little past midgame the rest of the game was a breeze

I just finished struggling through the first boss so I'm gonna keep it on hard for now but theres a chance I'll just restart on normal

You can change the difficulty at any time.

LightHawKnight posted...

Hard? The first dungeon was only really hard cause you had nothing to manage your SP with, past that it isn't even remotely hard cept for certain parts, but even then not that bad.

You could get sp items from vending machines at the school courtyard, the arcade and in front of the bathhouse
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GOATSLAYER posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Hard? The first dungeon was only really hard cause you had nothing to manage your SP with, past that it isn't even remotely hard cept for certain parts, but even then not that bad.

You could get sp items from vending machines at the school courtyard, the arcade and in front of the bathhouse

That recover 5 sp at a use. Not great. Specially if you are trying to clear the palace in one day. Which is kind of pointless, but whatever. Clearing it in 2 days however makes the palace super easy.
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pauIie posted...

Devil rank 7 7 SP per turn accessory for 50k

You mean Death not Devil.

Heirophant until you can make master coffee. 100 SP. You can make better coffees, but I don't think Temperance makes them for you. I could be wrong.

Master coffee is the best coffee you make. After that all the Heirophant upgrades are curries which Temperance can make wants you reach the right rank.

I don't know why people are mentioning healing and sp items. I rarely if ever need them, and I always clear as much of a palace/mementos as possible in one trip.

I have the Death confidant and rank 7, and I've never bought a single item from her shop. I've never bought a consumable period.
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meestermj posted...

I don't know why people are mentioning healing and sp items. I rarely if ever need them, and I always clear as much of a palace/mementos as possible in one trip.

I have the Death confidant and rank 7, and I've never bought a single item from her shop. I've never bought a consumable period.

Go start a new game, do the first palace in one go on normal or higher. Just try it.
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LightHawKnight posted...

meestermj posted...

I don't know why people are mentioning healing and sp items. I rarely if ever need them, and I always clear as much of a palace/mementos as possible in one trip.

I have the Death confidant and rank 7, and I've never bought a single item from her shop. I've never bought a consumable period.

Go start a new game, do the first palace in one go on normal or higher. Just try it.

That's exactly what I did if you had read my post before.
I've finished up to the second palace, always going as far in one trip as possible.
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meestermj posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

meestermj posted...

I don't know why people are mentioning healing and sp items. I rarely if ever need them, and I always clear as much of a palace/mementos as possible in one trip.

I have the Death confidant and rank 7, and I've never bought a single item from her shop. I've never bought a consumable period.

Go start a new game, do the first palace in one go on normal or higher. Just try it.

That's exactly what I did if you had read my post before.
I've finished up to the second palace, always going as far in one trip as possible.

Which isn't possible unless you run from everything, cause you have a tiny amount of SP and the first dungeon is pretty long and has enough minibosses to make it a pain. If you however split it into two days, there is no issue, but doing it in one easily? That is just utter garbage.
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LightHawKnight posted...

meestermj posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

meestermj posted...

I don't know why people are mentioning healing and sp items. I rarely if ever need them, and I always clear as much of a palace/mementos as possible in one trip.

I have the Death confidant and rank 7, and I've never bought a single item from her shop. I've never bought a consumable period.

Go start a new game, do the first palace in one go on normal or higher. Just try it.

That's exactly what I did if you had read my post before.
I've finished up to the second palace, always going as far in one trip as possible.

Which isn't possible unless you run from everything, cause you have a tiny amount of SP and the first dungeon is pretty long and has enough minibosses to make it a pain. If you however split it into two days, there is no issue, but doing it in one easily? That is just utter garbage.

Whatever you want to think man. I've had zero difficulty troubles with this game on normal, and have never bought a consumable. I spend almost all my money on armor/weapons and the occasionally study session at the diner.
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