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known2FAIL
04/23/17 7:20:48 PM
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This happened in March but the body cam was released April 20th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ONict5F3w4



Story: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/body-camera-children-held-gunpoint/

Grand Rapids, MI — Outraged community leaders in Grand Rapids are demanding reform after five African American youths aged between 12 and 14 years were held at gunpoint — for no justifiable reason — as they walked home from playing basketball. Pressure on the department by The Grand Rapids Press through a Freedom of Information Act request finally forced them to release the body camera footage which is nothing short of horrifying.

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As the Free Thought Project reported last week, original v ideo of the incident, taken from far away, shows a number of Grand Rapids Police Department patrol cars descend on the scene, as officers point loaded weapons at the youths, order them to the ground, and eventually place them each in handcuffs — after a vague call to dispatch suggested a large fight in the area, and the possibility a teen was in possession of a gun.

None of the young teens in question were armed.

“Now they’re saying they don’t like the police,” Ikeshia Quinn, mother of two of the teens, told WOOD-TV — intimating the boys did not feel ambivalent toward law enforcement until this traumatic incident. “They don’t want to be involved with the police. They should’ve been approached differently because they are young boys. They had basketballs in their hands.”

As the body camera footage begins, Officer Caleb Johnson pulls up to the boys and immediately points his weapon at them and demands they get on the ground.

“Get on the ground!” Johnson tells the boys.

Three of the children were so confused that they did not immediately comply. Luckily they weren’t shot.

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“Hey, get over here,” Johnson said, motioning with his arm. “Keep your hands where I can see them and get on the ground.”

“Can you please put the gun down?” one of the boys asked.



Another youth is heard saying, “I do not want to die, bro.”

“We are not about to die we didn’t do nothing,” another of the boys says to try and comfort him.

“Don’t shoot me,” one of the boys pleads with the officers.

The entire time, the boys are trying to explain to the police that they were not involved in any of this mess and they have the video to prove it.

“Calm down, calm down, it’ll be alright,” Officer Johnson says as he has his finger on the trigger of his police issued pistol as its trained on the boys. “They’ll give you directions, OK?”

As more officers arrived, the boys were instructed to stand up, put their hands on their heads, and walk backward slowly toward the car. They were then all placed in handcuffs while officers figured out they were assaulted with deadly weapons for the sole act of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

After being wrongly detained for 10 minutes, the officers then called the boys’ parents to come pick them up. When the parents got there, naturally they were shaken up and furious to find out their children had been held at gunpoint because police mistook them for criminals.

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Blue_Inigo
04/23/17 7:22:34 PM
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Fuck these piece of shit cops
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Cookie Bag
04/23/17 7:23:15 PM
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known2FAIL posted...
Three of the children were so confused that they did not immediately comply. Luckily they weren’t shot.

I know this is america but what the fuck is this "journalism" lmfao
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FrisbeeDude
04/23/17 7:24:14 PM
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This shit is just ridiculous. Y'all wonder why people of color are skeptical of the police. You think police are rolling up on a group of white kids like that? It's absurd
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Bok_Choi
04/23/17 7:24:48 PM
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Cookie Bag posted...
I know this is america but what the fuck is this "journalism" lmfao

Free thought project is not journalism holy shit
it's not a reliable news source
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Zikten
04/23/17 7:25:57 PM
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wtf

the cop even tries to rationalize his actions later. fuck that guy. nobody was hurt? someone COULD have been hurt if it went wrong. imagine if one of the kids tried to run? or put his hand in his pocket and the cop's trigger finger slipped? I don't think they really matched the description unless it was simply "black"
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thronedfire2
04/23/17 7:26:31 PM
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So they did fit the description, and one of them was possibly armed, and they weren't hurt. If it was a group of white kids fighting they wouldn't have been stopped. For all we know the fight happened at the basketball court
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Omega Hunter
04/23/17 7:27:09 PM
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Pigs, hope they get whats coming to them
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legendarylemur
04/23/17 7:27:56 PM
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Yeah super awk ass written article, but disgusting ass content. I dunno what justifications they could have for such procedure. 12-14, geez, they were like middle schoolers. Are you fucking kidding me?

As much as not allowing suspects any chance is important, holding innocents at gunpoint and not allowing any retort opens for just as much repercussion
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AltonBrownFan
04/23/17 7:28:08 PM
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Cookie Bag posted...
known2FAIL posted...
Three of the children were so confused that they did not immediately comply. Luckily they weren’t shot.

I know this is america but what the f*** is this "journalism" lmfao

Not like there haven't been several videos out there of policing instantly blowing away people that don't comply. How long did Tamir Rice have to react anyways?
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Unsugarized_Foo
04/23/17 7:28:51 PM
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This is why I think Han shot first
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MwarriorHiei
04/23/17 7:29:52 PM
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known2FAIL posted...
a vague call to dispatch suggested a large fight in the area, and the possibility a teen was in possession of a gun.

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Bok_Choi
04/23/17 7:31:34 PM
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MwarriorHiei posted...
known2FAIL posted...
a vague call to dispatch suggested a large fight in the area, and the possibility a teen was in possession of a gun.


"Brah there was a LARGE fight in the area where black people live, let's run up on the first five black kids we see and hold them at gunpoint from the get-go"

Makes sense.
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thronedfire2
04/23/17 7:31:49 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
This is why I think Han shot first


There are two people in that situation, the guy who shoots first and the guy who gets shot
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DifferentialEquation
04/23/17 7:32:14 PM
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So apparently now SJWs are also outraged when a cop doesn't shoot black people. Let's just make it illegal for cops to question and detain anyone that isn't white, that's the ultimate goal of the left.
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Akagami_Shanks
04/23/17 7:33:32 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8gYh1pYwQg

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ShinigamiSoul
04/23/17 7:35:24 PM
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Wow...
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desertman
04/23/17 7:36:11 PM
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What does this have to do with anything?
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Bok_Choi
04/23/17 7:36:29 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
So apparently now SJWs are also outraged when a cop doesn't shoot black people. Let's just make it illegal for cops to question and detain anyone that isn't white, that's the ultimate goal of the left.

j6W1JAy
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Akagami_Shanks
04/23/17 7:38:08 PM
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GOATTHlEF posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
So they did fit the description, and one of them was possibly armed, and they weren't hurt. If it was a group of white kids fighting they wouldn't have been stopped. For all we know the fight happened at the basketball court


Tagged

there are a lot of closet racists on CE

if you tag all of them you might hit the limit
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Omnislasher
04/23/17 7:38:40 PM
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isolated incident #65,102,298,029,399,262,423
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Ricemills
04/23/17 7:39:09 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
This is why I think Han shot first


wrong.
using "first" implies there is a "second".
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REMercsChamp
04/23/17 7:41:20 PM
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Is the source reputable? Sounds like the person writing it was making assumptions (lucky they didn't get shot)
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Darklit_Minuet
04/23/17 7:44:29 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
So apparently now SJWs are also outraged when a cop doesn't shoot black people. Let's just make it illegal for cops to question and detain anyone that isn't white, that's the ultimate goal of the left.

I'm left and that's not my goal. I'm not a racist.

I don't want cops to question and detain anybody without just cause, regardless of skin color.
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Fam_Fam
04/23/17 7:50:13 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
So apparently now SJWs are also outraged when a cop doesn't shoot black people. Let's just make it illegal for cops to question and detain anyone that isn't white, that's the ultimate goal of the left.

I'm left and that's not my goal. I'm not a racist.

I don't want cops to question and detain anybody without just cause, regardless of skin color.


there WAS cause. There was a report of a crime with people who fit the same description, with there being a gun in play. They cleared things up, and called the parents to get them home safe. They didn't really do much wrong, in my opinion.

People make it seem like they just saw a bunch of black people together and pulled out guns without any reason at all
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Darklit_Minuet
04/23/17 7:55:03 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
People make it seem like they just saw a bunch of black people together and pulled out guns without any reason at all

That's pretty much exactly what they did. They had no proof that these kids had a gun. Some anonymous report of some black guy with a gun doesn't mean they get to suddenly stop every black kid in the area and hold them at gunpoint.
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monkeysRfunny
04/23/17 7:57:15 PM
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Wait, what did they do to assault these kids?
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thronedfire2
04/23/17 7:57:26 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
People make it seem like they just saw a bunch of black people together and pulled out guns without any reason at all

That's pretty much exactly what they did. They had no proof that these kids had a gun. Some anonymous report of some black guy with a gun doesn't mean they get to suddenly stop every black kid in the area and hold them at gunpoint.


oh so we went from a report of 'a group of black teens possibly with a gun' to 'some black guy with a gun'?
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Darklit_Minuet
04/23/17 7:58:35 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
People make it seem like they just saw a bunch of black people together and pulled out guns without any reason at all

That's pretty much exactly what they did. They had no proof that these kids had a gun. Some anonymous report of some black guy with a gun doesn't mean they get to suddenly stop every black kid in the area and hold them at gunpoint.


oh so we went from a report of 'a group of black teens possibly with a gun' to 'some black guy with a gun'?

The amount of people is irrelevant. They're literally fucking children. You don't hold them at gunpoint because some group somewhere may or may not have a gun.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty
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thronedfire2
04/23/17 7:59:33 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
People make it seem like they just saw a bunch of black people together and pulled out guns without any reason at all

That's pretty much exactly what they did. They had no proof that these kids had a gun. Some anonymous report of some black guy with a gun doesn't mean they get to suddenly stop every black kid in the area and hold them at gunpoint.


oh so we went from a report of 'a group of black teens possibly with a gun' to 'some black guy with a gun'?

The amount of people is irrelevant. They're literally fucking children. You don't hold them at gunpoint because some group somewhere may or may not have a gun.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty


because teenagers in certain areas never shoot each other
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fire810
04/23/17 8:00:16 PM
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Cookie Bag posted...
known2FAIL posted...
Three of the children were so confused that they did not immediately comply. Luckily they weren’t shot.

I know this is america but what the fuck is this "journalism" lmfao


journalism has devloved into 'what I would write on a message board'
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Bok_Choi
04/23/17 8:01:00 PM
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fire810 posted...
Cookie Bag posted...
known2FAIL posted...
Three of the children were so confused that they did not immediately comply. Luckily they weren’t shot.

I know this is america but what the fuck is this "journalism" lmfao


journalism has devloved into 'what I would write on a message board'

again you're both talking about a heavily biased and opinionated entry like it's actually from a news website

Again, the free thought project is NOT journalism lmao they have 0 (zero) accountability
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Darklit_Minuet
04/23/17 8:01:49 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
because teenagers in certain areas never shoot each other

Seeing as we don't live in Somalia, of course they don't.

Well I guess the US is a fucking third world country if you're worried about teenagers shooting each other - doesn't happen up here in Canadaland
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REMercsChamp
04/23/17 8:07:54 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
because teenagers in certain areas never shoot each other

Seeing as we don't live in Somalia, of course they don't.

Well I guess the US is a fucking third world country if you're worried about teenagers shooting each other - doesn't happen up here in Canadaland

I'm from Toronto and there are definitely teenage gang members shooting each other and other people
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Akagami_Shanks
04/23/17 8:10:03 PM
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*middle schoolers get held at gunpoint for several minutes*

"I don't see a problem with this"

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cjsdowg
04/23/17 8:11:19 PM
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I love how people are trying defend this.

Kicks keeping their nose clean, where held at gun point name made to drop on the ground because they might look like someone that someone claimed did something. The fact that people try to justify this crap just blows my mind.
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Darklit_Minuet
04/23/17 8:11:48 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
because teenagers in certain areas never shoot each other

Seeing as we don't live in Somalia, of course they don't.

Well I guess the US is a fucking third world country if you're worried about teenagers shooting each other - doesn't happen up here in Canadaland

I'm from Toronto and there are definitely teenage gang members shooting each other and other people

The difference is that they're shooting each other with water guns, not bullet guns
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REMercsChamp
04/23/17 8:12:20 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
because teenagers in certain areas never shoot each other

Seeing as we don't live in Somalia, of course they don't.

Well I guess the US is a fucking third world country if you're worried about teenagers shooting each other - doesn't happen up here in Canadaland

I'm from Toronto and there are definitely teenage gang members shooting each other and other people

The difference is that they're shooting each other with water guns, not bullet guns

Are you really that ignorant?
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Dathrowed1
04/23/17 8:12:21 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
The difference is that they're shooting each other with water guns, not bullet guns

Water guns that stain with red dye
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The Admiral
04/23/17 8:13:29 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
People make it seem like they just saw a bunch of black people together and pulled out guns without any reason at all

That's pretty much exactly what they did. They had no proof that these kids had a gun. Some anonymous report of some black guy with a gun doesn't mean they get to suddenly stop every black kid in the area and hold them at gunpoint.


They thought this was the group, though. Are they supposed to politely ask gang members their identity and if they're armed?
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Capn Circus
04/23/17 8:18:12 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
I love how people are trying defend this.

Kicks keeping their nose clean, where held at gun point name made to drop on the ground because they might look like someone that someone claimed did something. The fact that people try to justify this crap just blows my mind.


How would you suggest apprehending an individual accused of committing a crime? Only if the police physically watched the crime occur?

What's the point of police even asking for descriptions of people who committed a crime if they aren't supposed to investigate into the matter when they see someone matching said description?
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Kirby
04/23/17 8:19:08 PM
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Oh look, the exact same department received another call of juveniles with a gun and handled it the same exact way, only this time there really was a gun and arrests were made.

http://woodtv.com/2017/04/22/police-arrest-of-gun-toting-teens-shows-the-danger-is-real/
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LordCooler
04/23/17 8:19:08 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
The amount of people is irrelevant. They're literally f***ing children.


So children can't be dangerous?

https://www.facebook.com/sgvaimudar/videos/1644779609149649/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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cjsdowg
04/23/17 8:23:10 PM
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Kirby posted...
Oh look, the exact same department received another call of juveniles with a gun and handled it the same exact way, only this time there really was a gun and arrests were made.

http://woodtv.com/2017/04/22/police-arrest-of-gun-toting-teens-shows-the-danger-is-real/


So just keep making all the black people you can find get face down on the ground until you find one who broke the law. Yeah logic of CEfront.
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Dathrowed1
04/23/17 8:24:20 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Kirby posted...
Oh look, the exact same department received another call of juveniles with a gun and handled it the same exact way, only this time there really was a gun and arrests were made.

http://woodtv.com/2017/04/22/police-arrest-of-gun-toting-teens-shows-the-danger-is-real/


So just keep making all the black people you can find get face down on the ground until you find one who broke the law. Yeah logic of CEfront.

Strawman CJ, that's why there's a description.
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scorpion41
04/23/17 8:25:39 PM
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To the people that say the cops acted wrong, how would you have approached this situation? Dispatch is only giving what details the witness gives them during the call. I'm willing to bet the call was something like this:

911: 9-1-1, what's your emergency?

Caller: Hey, yeah, lissen...we got a bunch a dudes out here fightin and shit at the park. Oh, damn! Homeboy just pull a gun! Oh fuck!

911: Sir? Can you describe the people involved?

Caller: I don't know...buncha black dudes. Couple of em are wearing shorts. That's all I saw.

911: We're sending someone to the location.

Dispatch to officer: Unit 23, a 415 in progress, group of black males, a possible firearm involved.

You have to respond to a call just on that description alone. 12-14 year olds are just as capable of doing these things as 20-somethings.
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Bok_Choi
04/23/17 8:25:42 PM
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Kirby posted...
Oh look, the exact same department received another call of juveniles with a gun and handled it the same exact way, only this time there really was a gun and arrests were made.

http://woodtv.com/2017/04/22/police-arrest-of-gun-toting-teens-shows-the-danger-is-real/

"It's worked in the past we should keep doing it"

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