Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 407: Dumpster Diving on the way to Payback

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ShatteredElysium posted...

Wait, there was more after Roman staggered off? I thought it had ended since it went to advert so closed out the network

Braun did the "I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU YET" and charged Roman by the ambulance. Roman dodged, Strowman broke the door off and flew into some boxes. Got back up and Roman slammed the other ambulance door on him a few times. Strowman ran off and Roman stood tall with blood coming out of his mouth. F*** you Vince.
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Strife2 posted...

Show still sucked bad balls.

Was it a great ball of fire?
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Roman ended the show with a "phantom" win (or whatever surviving a segment means), so no.
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GTM posted...

wait you're telling me this isnt the greatest night in the history of our sport?

Speaking of which...

Does anyone know what won the poll for tomorrow's podcast?
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davidponte posted...

Strife2 posted...

Show still sucked bad balls.

Was it a great ball of fire?

If you count turning the house lights red being on fire.
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okay.
sheamus and cesaro right now are fucking gold.

like this is 10/10 work between them.
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So, since Randy should have work died tonight, here is a question...

Has anyone else besides Hassan ever work died?

I know Sting threatened to kill Abyss at a PPV, but he didn't.
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EmDubyaSee posted...

So, since Randy should have work died tonight, here is a question...

Has anyone else besides Hassan ever work died?

I know Sting threatened to kill Abyss at a PPV, but he didn't.

Big Ryck
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Psssh I've had a fridge fall on me, nbd.
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Al Wilson
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for me this tag team banter thing doesnt get old (yet). New day, breezango, and now Sheamus and Cesaro are doing it
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I was going to say Katie Vick but that's not true
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TheRock1525 posted...

Psssh I've had a fridge fall on me, nbd.

laying On the floor? A normal size fridge, on your chest and head?
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scarletspeed7 posted...

EmDubyaSee posted...

So, since Randy should have work died tonight, here is a question...

Has anyone else besides Hassan ever work died?

I know Sting threatened to kill Abyss at a PPV, but he didn't.

Big Ryck

Anyone else on screen?
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Some of the Spirit Squad were never seen again
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Jakyl25 posted...

Al Wilson

I uh.... I had forgotten this....


I wish I still had forgotten this.
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oh wait

Bikertaker
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King Cuerno
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Vince McMahon
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GTM posted...

oh wait

Bikertaker

Huh? He wasnt dead.... Unless you believe they work killed Taker like 8 times in his career.
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Lopen posted...

Vince McMahon

No. He was always going to be revealed to still be alive.
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okay, so here's what i've got as the Sheamus/Cesaro lore. of all people, i think lopen will probably appreciate this the most.


Sheamus was frustrated as a heel who just couldn't get anywhere. even with a faction, he just wasn't relevant enough.
Cesaro meanwhile frustrated as a face who just couldn't quite win the big one.

eventually the two fought - again - only this time Cesaro was winning, not Sheamus. unable to accept this, Sheamus constantly interfered and got involved with Sheamus' matches, eventually leading to a blood feud to be decided in a best of seven.

this series went with Sheamus taking the first 3 after attacking and injuring Cesaro and Cesaro then making a big comeback to win 3 straight. their final match ended in a draw, promptly leaving Foley to decide that they should be a tag team, together.

as a tag team they had issue. Sheamus was the more evil one, Cesaro the more heroic. despite this, they managed to win some matches, even becoming #1 contenders. this was a constant contrast between them that showed as they were winning: Cesaro and the faces would make fun of Sheamus or keep distance with him, who was never truly "one of them." a big example of this can be seen with The New Day.

but Sheamus continued biding his time. the two continued to work together, respecting one another, and finally won the tag belts. they continue, occasionally getting off the same page, but still on good enough terms to win... until the Hardys surprise at WM. Cesaro, still a respectful man, shakes their hands with Sheamus too. they keep doing this for weeks, eventually getting their rematch at the next PPV.

but they lose.
they act respectfully again. after all, they are a team of good guys, or at least, with one good guy and another who respects that.

...but the good guy in Cesaro is tired. they should've won. after months of fighting each other, fighting with each other, Cesaro realizes the ultimate truth: Sheamus was right all along. and now, like a father looking at his son, Sheamus is proud of his tag partner realizing the truth. at last, they've finally reached a level where they can be a true tag team.

i really want them to get the tag belts back and for this friendship turned brotherhood to continue.
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Thinking about it some more, the reason Raw PPVs tend to fail comes down to overthinking their booking so much.

Both Neville/Aries and Hardyz/Cesaro&Sheamus were perfect. They wanted to extend feuds, but did them while providing clear motivation to the next arc. You could say Rollins/Joe, but that was a case where any result (barring interference) would have worked.

But other matches were just overbooked, the wrong person won, or they didn't stop when it made sense.

Jericho/Owens: Thanks for giving SD a free main event on Tuesday.
Bayley/Bliss: Hot potato. Hot potato. Hot potato. Hot potato.
Wyatt/Orton: Once again, you helped SD guys get over, and they weren't even participants.
Reigns/Strowman: Just stop the footage at the end of the match or post match beatdown.

The fact that Raw writers just can't help themselves makes me hate it so much more. Just tweak these scenarios, and the PPV would have made sense. Build towards Extreme Rules. That's fine. But logic seems lost on them given, "DUR 50/50 booking WWE BRANDING > INDIVIDUAL STARS!" Smackdown is at least allowed to color outside the box every once in a while.
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I don't think Bayley/Bliss was wrong. They don't seem to want to have Sasha just straight up turn on Bayley, so they need a heel champ to do it. If they're smart (IF), they'll have Sasha butt into it and insert herself into Bayley's rematch again, have Bayley finally get upset, and then Sasha turns. Or just have Sasha have no interest in facing Bayley now that she no longer has the title.
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Jeff Hardy has a #BROKEN tooth
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kq2iMnLn8U
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Like I was gonna give a quick description of the video but just... look at the thumbnail.
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StealThisSheen posted...

I don't think Bayley/Bliss was wrong. They don't seem to want to have Sasha just straight up turn on Bayley, so they need a heel champ to do it. If they're smart (IF), they'll have Sasha butt into it and insert herself into Bayley's rematch again, have Bayley finally get upset, and then Sasha turns. Or just have Sasha have no interest in facing Bayley now that she no longer has the title.

You can do all this without having Bayley lose. But WWE gets so dead set on saving a match for a certain time, they forget that the steps to get there don't need to be convoluted messes. "You know all that stuff about Charlotte's huge winning streak? Let's let Bayley take care of that." Ok, so you'll have Bayley survive Alexa, Nia, and then get turned on when Sasha's gets jealous? "FUCK NO! We'll trade wins back and forth on TV until we do the turn everyone sees coming in preparation for the HISTORIC Sasha/Bayley match we can only have on this day and this time."

I hate being THIS cynical, but if last year is any indication, they might put Sasha/Bayley on in July just to pop a rating.
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Yeah Sheamus and Cesaro reaching peak power with the turn would make a lot of sense. And they probably will, actually, as I imagine they'll beat the Hardyz sooner rather than later (I really feel like they should beat them in their next title match for maximum impact of the guys really really being on the same page) at which point they can proceed to run wild over the division being two bruisers who are done playing nice.

I feel like they've been pretty good at the storytelling with the two so I could see this happening. If they go nuts with an assault after winning it's a good way to break Matt Hardy too assuming this has any chance of happening. Like you put the Hardyz on the shelf for a bit while you establish Sheamus and Cesaro as dominant, then come back broken-- I could see heel Sheamus and Cesaro being a pretty good foil for that act actually.

It could be the best tag feud in like 10 years. But I don't wanna get my hopes up.
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Real talk: has Cesaro being around Sheamus so long that the evil finally wore off on him?
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you either need to read the topic or watch talking raw.
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That's more or less what Wang was saying and I think it makes sense.

You have the two being teammates that don't get along -> they get along as faces -> they get along as heels. But the subtext is that you could maybe say Sheamus was faking being a face to try and make the team work, but now Cesaro isn't faking and has just seen the light that the nice guys finish last, so they should be working at peak effectiveness right now.

I guess it's supported by a promo they cut on talking Raw as well but I didn't watch that.
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you definitely should, i think that segment is one you'd love probably more than anybody else here.
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Yeah I guess since I once again have the Network for 3 months thanks to this deal there's no reason not to go back and watch it right now huh.
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I am probably the only one that absolutely LOVED the house of horrors match
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I'd like someone who liked it to explain what specifically about it was enjoyable.

As someone who did not like it, I found that there was really no story to the match, it presented nothing unique to Wyatt's character, it explored no new ground, and quite honestly felt like a rushed, uninventive result of a creative team with no ideas left.
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Pretty much everyone I've seen is calling it the consensus worst match of the year.
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the finish in the ring was stupid but I just thought it was utterly ridiculous and hilarious. I could've watched them fight in the house for like 25 minutes with the finish taking place in there.
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They framed the match so the pre-taped portion didn't actually lead to a direct finish. If they had changed it to be something like, "the first person to leave the house/rides away wins," I doubt it would have come across as dumb. I mean, we knew it was meant to be schlocky horror BS. But they took it somewhat seriously. They just didn't explore as much as they could have. The time they spent back in the ring could have been used fighting in a basement level or using more weapons or environmental hazards. One thing WWE lacks these days (among many other problems) is creativity in weapon types.

I would have liked something where Wyatt holds Orton's head under the sink as water fills up and just completely chokes him out/feigns drowning, leading to the fridge spot.
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I'm going to miss Jericho.
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The HOH part was par for the course. The ring part and the ending sucked.
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Man, Brian went off on Sheamus and called him an absolutely terrible worker. He says that he is entirely too clumsy and rough and there's no excuse for him knocking out Jeff Hardy's tooth there and for busting Matt open with another kick. He also said that he's always been clumsy and reckless, and that he would release him. He mentioned that he kicked Daniel Bryan in the head and that was the one that ended his career too.

I'm kind of inclined to agree. The dude was all over the place last night and probably needs to get rid of that damn Brogue Kick because he can't be trusted to not seriously hurt people with it.
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I will never fully forgive Sheamus for Danielson, even though it was going to happen eventually.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

there's no excuse for him knocking out Jeff Hardy's tooth there and for busting Matt open with another kick.

This happened?

There comes a time when you hurt enough people from being reckless that you should just be let go.
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How often does Sheamus actually hurt people though?
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Well, it's hard to say Rock.

I'm sure he's hurt people many, many times but usually it's not so bad. With the ways he's kicked Enzo Amore, I'm sure he's had some kind of minor concussion as a result.

Just this time around we see Jeff without a tooth and Matt bleeding from the head right after Sheamus kicks both of them.
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Lopen posted...

Yeah Sheamus and Cesaro reaching peak power with the turn would make a lot of sense. And they probably will, actually, as I imagine they'll beat the Hardyz sooner rather than later (I really feel like they should beat them in their next title match for maximum impact of the guys really really being on the same page) at which point they can proceed to run wild over the division being two bruisers who are done playing nice.

I feel like they've been pretty good at the storytelling with the two so I could see this happening. If they go nuts with an assault after winning it's a good way to break Matt Hardy too assuming this has any chance of happening. Like you put the Hardyz on the shelf for a bit while you establish Sheamus and Cesaro as dominant, then come back broken-- I could see heel Sheamus and Cesaro being a pretty good foil for that act actually.

It could be the best tag feud in like 10 years. But I don't wanna get my hopes up.

This would be a cool idea that I'd be really into, so it's not going to happen
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At very least you can stop doing that move if it's unsafe. After destroying Finn's shoulder and ending Sting's career, I don't think I've seen Seth do that powerbomb thing.
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The big issue with Sheamus is that the moves he hurts people with shouldn't really have any injury risk. It's just being sloppy and reckless which is kinda worse than something like the buckle bomb because it's not easily fixed by "don't do this move"
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So Billy Corgan bought NWA. I didn't even know it was for sale, or since it was why WWE wouldn't have just bought up the tapes and burned them to the ground as the last scraps of the old guard, but hey he finally owns a company.


Aside from the one he did before.


Impact still sucks.
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