Current Events > How would you reform the child support system?

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WITHOUT eliminating it.
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Child support should be the man paying for an abortion. That's it.
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By banning silverback apes from entering the USA
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For starters, I would put lower limits on the dollar amount of payments. It should be purely based on things like the cost of food, clothing, school, etc. for the kid, and not be some ridiculous amount just because you have a good job.
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Government pays every cent
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Payments would be uniform based off the needs of the child ie fucking low, regardless of the wealth of the parent.
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Get rid of it completely. We are Americans and in our LIBERTARIAN society, we can't hold fathers at gunpoint to provide for their kids, it has to be done out of generos...

Nah, I got nothing.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Government pays every cent

Fuck that nonsense. A lot of us would rather not pay for some stupid asshole fathering a child with a stupid bitch. You pay for it, if you're feeling so generous.
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It's hard to think of something that doesn't involve the man getting a choice in paying if he wants an abortion and she doesn't, but I already know the response to that. But if she knows she won't be getting support from him, she still has the option of abortion if she doesnt feel financially ready.

Something needs to change, though. Once the babie's there, the guy is at the mercy of whatever the woman chooses, which is fucked up.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Government pays every cent

Fuck that nonsense. A lot of us would rather not pay for some stupid asshole fathering a child with a stupid bitch. You pay for it, if you're feeling so generous.

Id rather your taxes go towards welfare than the military
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Child support should be the man paying for an abortion. That's it.

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Give that baby some bootstraps and let it support itself
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eston posted...

Give that baby some bootstraps and let it support itself

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eston posted...

Give that baby some bootstraps and let it support itself

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definitely caps on max payment based on actual need

the whole 'lifestyle based on noncustodial parents lifestyle' is stupid and illogical

but in general i dont like that the payment system typically goes through the state and gives them a cut
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eston posted...

Give that baby some bootstraps and let it support itself

Lol'd
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One, as has been mentioned, it should be based on need. And should end in the event that those needs are met without the support. Two, in the vast majority of cases, it should be established prior to the birth of the child, with failure to reasonably attempt communication reflecting negatively on any child support ruling. Three, it needs to be determined based on the level of responsibility each parent takes regarding the raising of the child and should be subject to review if said level of responsibility changes. Fourth, all of the guidelines must be enforced equally between both sexes. If the father takes the primary role in raising a child, then a greater burden of financial support (again, assuming necessity) should be placed on the mother.
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get rid of making people who were raped (including statutory) have to pay child support. Its pretty ridiculous that a 15 year old has to pay child support to a 20 something female that has sex with him. because those payments don't suddenly start at 18

get rid of the states cut. Its supposed to be for the child not as another source of income for the state
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The child support should be 1/5th of the person's salary.

The money should be handled similar to EBT, so that it can only be spent on qualifying goods and services. If they try to return the item then the money should go straight back to the account, to prevent them from trying to use the money on themselves.

Also the man should be able to opt out of responsibility within the first trimester. If the woman reluctantly decides on an abortion because of the unwillingness of the man then he should have to pay for the abortion.

If he's unable to pay in full upfront then he can do it in payments, although this would require the government temporarily covering the payment. But that would be impossible considering the constant targeting Planned Parenhood already gets.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Also the man should be able to opt out of responsibility within the first trimester. If the woman reluctantly decides on an abortion because of the unwillingness of the man then he should have to pay for the abortion.

This is a really interesting idea, and I also think it may be good to include counselling opportunities along with that.
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1) don't send men to jail for not paying child support. helps no one.
2) don't have federal funding/grants based on how much child support the state collects
3) ???
4) Profit
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Have legal "male abortions", where a man can sign a paper and remove all right to being a father, including child support requirements. This also means he can't ever see the kid.
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Have legal "male abortions", where a man can sign a paper and remove all right to being a father, including child support requirements. This also means he can't ever see the kid.

This does not sound like it would in any way be in the child's best interest, which is what the courts care about.

That's what a lot of these guys don't seem to understand - they only care about how it affects them
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You know child support can be any amount agreed between the two partys.

Egos and greed are the reason it seems unreal. Come on. You have two adults in court fighting over money with a child in between them.

I can tell none of you have dealt with it before. Your all using extreme examples.

spanky1 posted...

Have legal "male abortions", where a man can sign a paper and remove all right to being a father, including child support requirements. This also means he can't ever see the kid.

That is possible already.

eston posted...

Have legal "male abortions", where a man can sign a paper and remove all right to being a father, including child support requirements. This also means he can't ever see the kid.

This does not sound like it would in any way be in the child's best interest, which is what the courts care about.

That's what a lot of these guys don't seem to understand - they only care about how it affects them

Hey, a regular abortion may not be in the child's best interest either, but that still happens.
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spanky1 posted...

eston posted...

Have legal "male abortions", where a man can sign a paper and remove all right to being a father, including child support requirements. This also means he can't ever see the kid.

This does not sound like it would in any way be in the child's best interest, which is what the courts care about.

That's what a lot of these guys don't seem to understand - they only care about how it affects them

Hey, a regular abortion may not be in the child's best interest either, but that still happens.

The court has nothing to do with that. Once a child is born, however, his or her well-being becomes priority.
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Until a certain acceptable period of pregnancy in which abortion is still viable, the man must declare or have proof in any way that he chose to keep the baby or not, be it a recorded message of any form or signed document. Which later will determine whether he has to support the child or not. If he doesn't want it the woman has the choice of soloing the baby or getting an abortion at shared cost between the two. If he does he can't back out later and is engaged to support it, this includes only breaking up when the baby is 4 months old obv.

If she doesn't say anything until it's too late she can't later on come around and sneakily ask for CS. The agreement has to be settled before the end of viable abortion period.

When the kid is 18 he has to pay the dad back for everything, with interest

Kind of like a college loan
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eston posted...

Give that baby some bootstraps and let it support itself

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frozenshock posted...

When the kid is 18 he has to pay the dad back for everything, with interest

Kind of like a college loan

I think this is dumb but I like it
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Child support should be the man paying for an abortion. That's it.

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eston posted...

This does not sound like it would in any way be in the child's best interest, which is what the courts care about.

LOL. Don't be naïve.

The courts don't a shit about anything other than redistributing of wealth and having enough cases to be relevant.

There are plenty single moms getting child support that use most of the money to go shopping and get their nails done and go out on dates. If courts actually cared they would make sure the money actually was spent on the kid.
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most other countries take child support directly out of your check

the US is fairly unique in making women take the burden of collection on themselves

kinda interesting that a lot of people are saying we need to limit the amount

I dunno how generous child support is here vs other countries
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DifferentialEquation posted...

For starters, I would put lower limits on the dollar amount of payments. It should be purely based on things like the cost of food, clothing, school, etc. for the kid, and not be some ridiculous amount just because you have a good job.

Yeah, it should be equal to the cost of raising a child and thats it; especially if the father (or rarely, mother) has no custody rights. Of course, this will vary by region; but it will be 'fair.'
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De Evolution posted...

There are plenty single moms getting child support that use most of the money to go shopping and get their nails done and go out on dates. If courts actually cared they would make sure the money actually was spent on the kid.

Then there's moms like mine who put every child support check towards food, but since the checks were almost always late she ended up taking a bunch of loans because, in her words, (my sister and I) shouldn't go to bed without dinner due to my dad's negligence.
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chill02 posted...

De Evolution posted...

There are plenty single moms getting child support that use most of the money to go shopping and get their nails done and go out on dates. If courts actually cared they would make sure the money actually was spent on the kid.

Then there's moms like mine who put every child support check towards food, but since the checks were almost always late she ended up taking a bunch of loans because, in her words, (my sister and I) shouldn't go to bed without dinner due to my dad's negligence.

If he was so negligent then why was his money the reason you had food on the table?
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De Evolution posted...

chill02 posted...

De Evolution posted...

There are plenty single moms getting child support that use most of the money to go shopping and get their nails done and go out on dates. If courts actually cared they would make sure the money actually was spent on the kid.

Then there's moms like mine who put every child support check towards food, but since the checks were almost always late she ended up taking a bunch of loans because, in her words, (my sister and I) shouldn't go to bed without dinner due to my dad's negligence.

If he was so negligent then why was his money the reason you had food on the table?

Because my mom took loans to make do in the meantime (her credit was terrible for a while). Also, I later found out it was my grandfather who paid most of it to begin with.
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De Evolution posted...

There are plenty single moms getting child support that use most of the money to go shopping and get their nails done and go out on dates. If courts actually cared they would make sure the money actually was spent on the kid.

I don't think that happens nearly as often as bitter misogynists think it does. Anyone who doesn't want to pay and doesn't like the person they're paying is going to accuse them of this. Hell, my own dad accused my mom of it and I know firsthand that he was wrong. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I'd wager it's a very small proportion.
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Balrog0 posted...

most other countries take child support directly out of your check

the US is fairly unique in making women take the burden of collection on themselves

kinda interesting that a lot of people are saying we need to limit the amount

I dunno how generous child support is here vs other countries

when i was doing payrolls back in highschool, i distinctly remember taking $239 out of a guys check every week for his payments child support payments. maybe its a state to state thing
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If a women cheats on a man and he later finds out the child he'd been raising is not his, he should not have to pay child support. And once the child is 18, the mother should have to pay reverse child support for each year he raised the child.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Government pays every cent

Fuck that nonsense. A lot of us would rather not pay for some stupid asshole fathering a child with a stupid bitch. You pay for it, if you're feeling so generous.

Lol
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I reform the child support system by rolling it into UBI. Done. Thank you all.
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Xeno14 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

most other countries take child support directly out of your check

the US is fairly unique in making women take the burden of collection on themselves

kinda interesting that a lot of people are saying we need to limit the amount

I dunno how generous child support is here vs other countries

when i was doing payrolls back in highschool, i distinctly remember taking $239 out of a guys check every week for his payments child support payments. maybe its a state to state thing

If you don't voluntarily pay your child support, the government can dock it from your paycheck.

Oh.

I thought of a simple fix that we can do right now.

You can deduct 5x your child support payments from taxes.
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_Rinku_ posted...

Xeno14 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

most other countries take child support directly out of your check

the US is fairly unique in making women take the burden of collection on themselves

kinda interesting that a lot of people are saying we need to limit the amount

I dunno how generous child support is here vs other countries

when i was doing payrolls back in highschool, i distinctly remember taking $239 out of a guys check every week for his payments child support payments. maybe its a state to state thing

If you don't voluntarily pay your child support, the government can dock it from your paycheck.

yeah, the difference I'm trying to point out that is that typically in the US the woman is responsible for litigating this requirement - there isn't a presumption that child support will automatically be docked from your pay and transferred to your ex/child, you're supposed to pay it and if you don't then you can be taken to court.

But in other countries the court step is skipped and the pay is just automatically docked, which is especially helpful if you're lower class and litigation is relatively expensive

not saying we should do it that way, just clarifying
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also I could be wrong, this is just my understanding from a book I read on international child care policies
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"No more dick for you pussy, gonna stick to your throat.
YOU AIN'T GONNA GET NO CHILD SUPPORT!"
-Some rapper
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spanky1 posted...

Have legal "male abortions", where a man can sign a paper and remove all right to being a father, including child support requirements. This also means he can't ever see the kid.

This. If the father wants nothing to do with it and the mother wants to keep it, is against abortion, and wants the father to pay for it, they can meet in the middle. Mother keeps it, mother pays for it.

Solves the "I didn't know I shouldn't take antibiotics on birth control" and lying about birth control problem.

If DNA tests prove it's not the father's, he's off the hook financially, if he wanted to keep it. If the father is a deadbeat trying to run from responsibility, well, he probably won't find the time or have his priorities right to show up and sign the paperwork at the courthouse either lol.

In the situation that both parents want to keep it but their relationship isn't working out for whatever reason, both the mother and father put some amount of money into a bank account for the child. Neither parent can ever withdraw money from it, the child can use that money for whatever at 16-18 years old.
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I don't know enough about the child support system to give a good answer to that.


I would, however, eliminate alimony in all but the most extreme of circumstances. Alimony is complete outdated bull shit.
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