Current Events > so do we actually have any climate change deniers on here?

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chill02 posted...

yes

i dont believe you

@fenderbender321

apologies if I'm wrong
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I'm sure there are people that flat out deny it, which is just silly. The earth has undergone several dramatic changes in climate since its creation.
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Climate change is a lie

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Real talk though I don't actually think it's not happening, but I tell all kinds of idiots around here that it's not caused by fossil fuel use and I can spot some pretty good bullshit. Gotta shill for my job maybe.
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Nomadic View posted...

The earth has undergone several dramatic changes in climate since its creation.

Most people just do it in this disingenuous way
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I'm sure the local trumpeters will take the stupid position on this issue.
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I for one want global warming. It is too cold in Massachusetts.
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@Gojak_v3
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What would be the motive to lie about climate change though? I mean lie that its a thing.
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Seaman_Prime posted...

Hey posted...

I for one want global warming. It is too cold in Massachusetts.

well guess wat motherfucka global warming is gonna make winters colder, probably

<_> wat
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I don't think many people flat out deny it, they just doubt the level of seriousness that scientists tend to give it. A lack of trust in how knowledgeable we are about the whole field.
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I'm not a denier. I just don't think humans are behind it and big government is going to stop it. That's all.
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MakoReizei posted...

I'm not a denier. I just don't think humans are behind it and big government is going to stop it. That's all.

Then you're a denier.
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Waluigi7 posted...

MakoReizei posted...

I'm not a denier. I just don't think humans are behind it and big government is going to stop it. That's all.

Then you're a denier.

nope. and that's a dumb buzzword for people who are skeptical
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I don't deny climate change. I do question and wonder why normal people paying taxes to governments when those top people can fly on huge jumbo jets and do whatever they want, would help change climate change.

I do wonder why Leo fights so hard for it but has huge yachts and flies his eyebrow person in on a private jet. That's weird. Seems conflicting.

I do question why how little of Al Gores documentary came true.

I do question why they try to limit dissenting opinions on climate change and why a lot of scientists are signing petitions regarding climate change hoax.

I do wonder why questioning if maybe humans don't cause as much as people think gets you demonized. That doesn't seem like a healthy practice for science when science has gotten so many things wrong before that they later corrected.

I do wonder since we didn't have the same technology?to measure temperature pre industrial age if these temperature readings are accurate or lack a comparison sample size.

I do wonder why so many corrupt people who support so many bad policies that hurt so many people and usually only look out for their own interests are vehemently behind this man made climate change thing.

So I don't deny it could be happening. I just have some questions as to why any questioning of it whatsoever is met with such irrational hate and venom.

Maybe humans have some effect. But I'd like to think if the sun moved to where Venus is that would affect climate more than an SUV. So many the sun has something to do. Maybe the planet goes through cycles. I'm just wondering if maybe we're perhaps jumping the gun a little bit because people have found a way to monetize this. We all know companies countries and corporations only care about money. Am I to believe they magically grew a heart?

All I do is question things that don't add up fully. I mean I used to be such a huge global warming guy. I used to make songs with my friends talking about the planet dying. Or polar ice caps. I'm sure I have Facebook statuses about it too.

But I watched and read dissenting views. And a lot of it made sense. I'm unsure on the issue because the people who usually back it are people who aren't very good people.
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MakoReizei posted...

Waluigi7 posted...

MakoReizei posted...

I'm not a denier. I just don't think humans are behind it and big government is going to stop it. That's all.

Then you're a denier.

nope. and that's a dumb buzzword for people who are skeptical

No, it's an appropriate term for people who deny science because it doesn't align with their politics.
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Waluigi7 posted...

MakoReizei posted...

Waluigi7 posted...

MakoReizei posted...

I'm not a denier. I just don't think humans are behind it and big government is going to stop it. That's all.

Then you're a denier.

nope. and that's a dumb buzzword for people who are skeptical

No, it's an appropriate term for people who deny science because it doesn't align with their politics.

I think this quote can be applied to global warming alarmism

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If someone offered me a job in the oil industry with a hefty salary, benefits, and potential to move up the ladder, you better believe I'll fight that so called "climate change" propaganda tooth and nail.

Since I'm not profiting in any way from the oil industry, I don't see why climate change is unbelievable.
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I am. Have been since 2005 and I've been right the and the "scientists' have been wrong in their predictions. Come at me bro!
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-complete-certainty.html?_r=0
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my god this board

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

i recognize it as a real problem but think our entire approach to fighting it is dead wrong

the 10 largest container ships in existence at present produce more CO2 than every car on the planet, and there are far more than 10 container ships out there.

we've banned their burning of bunker fuel in territorial waters, but we need to ban their burning of it *anywhere*. doesn't matter if it's in the middle of the pacific--CO2 release is going to impact the problem over time.

solar has never been a meaningful percentage of our energy grid. wind has, and is a good path, but we need to roll nuclear in too. our aversion to nuclear is wrong-headed; the problems with it would surface far later than the problems with coal/oil. natural gas is an acceptable stopgap in my mind but it shouldn't be treated as a superior option to nuclear.
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Probably,

This being a message board it can be very hard to pin down someone's true beliefs though.
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I don't deny climate change, but I question how much humans actually contribute.

Something scientists still can't give a straight answer on.
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Climate change denial is stupid. We know it's happening, that's not up for debate.

Arguing against man-made climate change is not stupid AND I'd even say it is a manifestation of having a healthy dose of skepticism, but it's largely uninformed.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

but it's largely uninformed.

you mean completely and unequivocally uninformed, right?

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Nomadic View posted...

The earth has undergone several dramatic changes in climate since its creation.

This.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Nomadic View posted...

The earth has undergone several dramatic changes in climate since its creation.

This.

are you familiar with the implications of the phrase "climate change denier"

believe what you want bro.

But human induced climate change is laughable.
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Honestly, I think we give ourselves too much credit to think that our cattle, our deforestation, and our sports utility vehicles have set in motion drastic climate changes which will doom the Earth. It's not that fragile. And even if it was, the first thing to do to save the atmosphere would be to ban flights. Those pump way more fuel into the atmosphere than automobiles do. But they're also expedient and a source of a lot of money. Conveniently, even with the literal destruction of Earth, everything is the fault of the working class and not big business. The Earth is dying because I don't ride a bike to work, not because millions of gallons of jetliner fuel are pumped directly into our skies.

Is CO2 a green house gas? Yes.
Are humans responsible for the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere? Yes.

I genuinely don't see how anyone could deny it.
I get that they do, partisan cognitive dissonance, but holy fuck.

"but the climate is more complex than that!"

Yes, much so, and when you factor in everything else it becomes all the more evident.

It's like evolution at this point, there's so much data, knowledge, tests, if you deny it, you have to explain why it wouldn't be happening.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

believe what you want bro.

But human induced climate change is laughable.

so you think youre just some enlightened guy who thinks for himself unlike the brainwashed masses or what

FrenchCrunch posted...

so you think youre just some enlightened guy who thinks for himself unlike the brainwashed masses or what

Pretty accurate description.
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I think the primary argument now is how much we can realistically do to slow climate change, and how any changes made to combat climate change will effect our economy.
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Thunderf00t did a couple good videos on it for Earth day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpBnCY7wwaw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF7qJ1K4VOk
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Nomadic View posted...

The earth has undergone several dramatic changes in climate since its creation.

This.

Not this dramatic.

If you look at a graph that details the change in temperature over the Earth's history you'll see just how dramatic the current one is. It's both faster and higher than ever before by leaps and bounds. And coincidentally it occurs right around the exact pinprick in time that we became an industrialized species. Keep in mind we haven't been around very long in terms of Earth's history, so it's unfathomably coincidental for it to occur naturally right now. Again, this is only supplementary to the main point, which is just how ridiculously fast and high the numbers are.
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Russia and Canada are both extremely huge and cold . That's the only positive aspect I can think of.