Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 90: Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Goodbye

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We can only hope.
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sarah palin is 53 years old.
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Experience over a guy that talks really well.


what kind of experience matters if it leads you to nominating sarah fucking palin as your vice president?

furthermore, do you simply have no ideology besides technocratic "shit getting done" bullshit? how in the world is experience at all a necessary or even admirable or important trait?

Unknown_voter posted...

Experience over a guy that talks really well.


what kind of experience matters if it leads you to nominating sarah fucking palin as your vice president?

furthermore, do you simply have no ideology besides technocratic "shit getting done" bullshit? how in the world is experience at all a necessary or even admirable or important trait?

McCain was up against a hip, young black guy that could energize large swaths of the population and bought into Republican strategists that thought "hey, you can be progressive too and have a young FEMALE running mate". It worked out horribly for him, but I don't really think it was a horrible call, given the horrendous disadvantage he had in the election just on the basis of my aforementioned post about American stupidity valuing charisma over skill.

In response to the bolded section of your post, we currently have Donald Trump as our President. I rest my case.
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It was a horrible call, because it was a horrible call. Listening to strategists telling you something stupid and going with it is literally what Donald Trump does every day.

Donald Trump being president has literally nothing to do with the importance of experience. Would Donald Trump be less of a moron with horrific ideas and personality if he had spent time in government? No, he would still be a rich d bag who doesn't care about the poor.

SupremeZero posted...

Er, at least Bush's idea is accurate. You WOULD like to have a beer with him. Please don't compare that to straight up stupidity, please.

To restate my original point: No I fucking wouldn't and it's baffling to me that anyone would.
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Unknown_voter posted...

Experience over a guy that talks really well.
what kind of experience matters if it leads you to nominating sarah fucking palin as your vice president?

Yeah, exactly.

Sarah Palin had a degree in like communications, was a mayor of city of 7,000 people, and the governor of Alaska for 3 years.

Obama has a doctorate, was an Illinois State Senator for 7 years, and a US Senator for 4.

What are your beliefs that would cause you to jump to McCain? I don't get it.





Anyway, I was hoping to make this topic:

"Politics Topic 90: Australia has a much better healthcare system than us"

- Donald Trump

(Australia has Universals Healthcare)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/332036-trump-australia-has-better-healthcare-system
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Experience is relevant because being President is a fucking hard job and it's really important to get it right.
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Unknown_voter posted...

It was a horrible call, because it was a horrible call. Listening to strategists telling you something stupid and going with it is literally what Donald Trump does every day.

Donald Trump being president has literally nothing to do with the importance of experience. Would Donald Trump be less of a moron with horrific ideas and personality if he had spent time in government? No, he would still be a rich d bag who doesn't care about the poor.

Oh, don't get me wrong, he'd still be horrible, but at least he might have a functional understanding of how the government fucking works.
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Now if it was "who would you like to do blow with" then Bush would rank pretty up there among presidential candidates. But beer?? no fucking thank you
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That said, had I been four days older I would have voted for Obama in 2008, and I'd still do it today (though I probably would have voted for Clinton in the primary whereas I supported Obama back then).
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Inviso posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

It was a horrible call, because it was a horrible call. Listening to strategists telling you something stupid and going with it is literally what Donald Trump does every day.

Donald Trump being president has literally nothing to do with the importance of experience. Would Donald Trump be less of a moron with horrific ideas and personality if he had spent time in government? No, he would still be a rich d bag who doesn't care about the poor.

Oh, don't get me wrong, he'd still be horrible, but at least he might have a functional understanding of how the government fucking works.

That has nothing to do with his experience.

Donald Trump has shown a fundamental distaste for taking advice or learning absolutely anything.

I think just about any other big famous billionaire would with just as little experience would be doing a better job.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Experience is relevant because being President is a fucking hard job and it's really important to get it right.

I mean, I agree that experience is relevant in a situation where two people believe the exact same thing but one has more experience. The actual policies and beliefs of the person are significantly more important, though. Why would anyone vote for someone who has "experience" if they hate their actual policies? it just makes them more likely to get bad shit done.

Well, I'm not arguing it should be the only factor. But's a good reason to support like Clinton over Obama or virtually any Republican over Trump (as if there weren't enough reasons already).
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http://m.imgur.com/HvFV714?r
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(To be clear though, I do like Obama. I just think a Clinton presidency leading into a more experienced Obama's presidency would have been great).
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The thing is, back in 2008, I don't think the Republicans were an inherently EVIL party. The Iraq War was a massive clusterfuck, and the recession was horrible, but I think both parties were still legitimately looking at the best interests of the country as a whole. So to me, it came down to two parties that both wanted the best for America. The Republicans nominated a man who'd served in the military and had spent many years in Washington (and thus, even if he'd never governed before, still knew a decent bit about the ins and outs of the Washington machine.) The Democrats nominated a man who had only spent four years in Washington, working as a senator, and most of his platform consisted of lofty goals that sounded great, but would ultimately be politically unfeasible.

I love Obama. I think he's a great guy...but I think he got chewed up and spit out by Washington. It became SO easy for the Republicans to obstruct him and lay the blame for ANYTHING bad on his shoulders, because I don't think he'd experienced the political workings of Washington long enough to properly navigate and game the system. And now we've got assholes like Mitch McConnell running shit.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

(To be clear though, I do like Obama. I just think a Clinton presidency leading into a more experienced Obama's presidency would have been great).

I literally made this argument on the campaign trail during the primaries in 2008 - that Clinton would make a great president now and Obama would be a great president in 2016.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

(To be clear though, I do like Obama. I just think a Clinton presidency leading into a more experienced Obama's presidency would have been great).

Also this.
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Inviso posted...

I think both parties were still legitimately looking at the best interests of the country as a whole. So to me, it came down to two parties that both wanted the best for America.

this is the most insane take I have ever heard in my life

It's really hard to tell if either party is looking out for the people's best interests considering the money in politics right now. Every politician should be met with scrutiny and judged on their voting records.
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This fucking collection of Paul Ryan quotes from 2009:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mtZ60AvDQY#t=08m36s

(there are some more after Seth's commentary)
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it's almost like they don't really fucking care if it happens so long as they are the ones doing it, and any previous outrage was simply because they weren't the ones doing it

(this is a problem with american politics in general -- they don't give any fucks about people as a whole, just their letter)
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...you guys flew through the last one, wow.
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Wanglicious posted...

...you guys flew through the last one, wow.

We had to rush it while we had enough people to post
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i can see that.

also gore and obama >> hillary.
though i'm pleased that seems to be majority consensus!

also the issue isn't Hillary being in the spotlight right now, it's the Clintons. Bill's back to being quiet, Hilary's talking here and there, but there's a LOT of buzzing around Chelsea these days and my mind just screeches to a halt whenever i see random praise, support, or frankly anything for her. she somehow picked up all her mother's fake mannerism but added a level of ignorance that shows off both her being a silver spoon princess and her lacking any sort of wisdom whatsoever as she follows along "intellectual" trends like a girl half her age.

that entire family needs to just fuck off. there's this bizarre political worship around them that just makes their relevance great for that small group and groanworthy for everyone else. it's just going to get worse over the next few years too because they're totally planning Chelsea to be Hillary 2.0, starting with an easy senate or house seat and going from there (she's only 37).
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That post has completely changed my mind now I think Hillary is the best politician of my lifetime, and possibly ever.
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Wanglicious posted...

i can see that.

also gore and obama >> hillary.
though i'm pleased that seems to be majority consensus!

also the issue isn't Hillary being in the spotlight right now, it's the Clintons. Bill's back to being quiet, Hilary's talking here and there, but there's a LOT of buzzing around Chelsea these days and my mind just screeches to a halt whenever i see random praise, support, or frankly anything for her. she somehow picked up all her mother's fake mannerism but added a level of ignorance that shows off both her being a silver spoon princess and her lacking any sort of wisdom whatsoever as she follows along "intellectual" trends like a girl half her age.

that entire family needs to just fuck off. there's this bizarre political worship around them that just makes their relevance great for that small group and groanworthy for everyone else. it's just going to get worse over the next few years too because they're totally planning Chelsea to be Hillary 2.0, starting with an easy senate or house seat and going from there (she's only 37).

Keep in mind the same people that are like "Chelsea needs to fuck off" are also going "When is Ivanka gonna run for office?!?!"
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i'd associate those who want Ivanka in more with those who want Michelle in, not Chelsea. fits the profile better honestly, despite how creepy that sounds.

i don't want Ivanka in that office either for the record. she is strangely the better of the two daughters when it comes to politics but i hate dynasties and think that was a major underreported factor behind Jeb's utter collapse. that feel of "another Bush, really?"
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Most people who want Ivanka in think Michelle is a gorilla.
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Wanglicious posted...

i'd associate those who want Ivanka in more with those who want Michelle in, not Chelsea. fits the profile better honestly, despite how creepy that sounds.

in what way? what's the profile that both ivanka and michelle fit that chelsea doesn't?
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also not sure it was addressed last topic since everyone was focused on The World's Greatest Healthcare Act of 2017 2, but uh...

that executive order?
the one that was to harm LGBT?

yeah that was fake news.
for anything regarding policy, it was literally nothing.
"whoops."

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/860248269208858625
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Wanglicious posted...

also not sure it was addressed last topic since everyone was focused on The World's Greatest Healthcare Act of 2017 2, but uh...

that executive order?
the one that was to harm LGBT?

yeah that was fake news.
for anything regarding policy, it was literally nothing.
"whoops."

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/860248269208858625

Someone in the last topic pointed out it had no bite.
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Oh no here comes the marking police to make sure I get some NKLs for citing what elected democrats have said. Surely that will help you guys win elections and doesn't at all prove my point about how insecure that part is.
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There are no marked posts in this topic.

The deleted post in that last topic was gone after less that 30 seconds,so you must have posted something that got you autoflagged, assuming that was you.
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OK
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Another LOL Trump moment

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/pentagon-trump-religious-liberty-executive-order/index.html

Just to be clear based on that discussion we had before, I am not outraged, just amused.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

lol LTM either you Rock or Jak mark literally every single post I make, usually you and it's laughably stalkerish. Just keep proving my point son.

Is that why you've been brown-nosing me?
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I have never met anyone who doesn't want both Ivanka and Chelsea to fuck off. Why would anyone want some over privileged child of two horrific wealthy presidents who have absolutely no understanding of the common people and terrible policies near the government? By "people" are you guys talking about like centrist nerd TV pundits who watch too much 'west wing' and love worshiping politicians like royalty? Because no real people think that like.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Experience is relevant because being President is a fucking hard job and it's really important to get it right.

And we had someone who failed MISSERABLY for 8 years last, so maybe what people dumb enough to have voted Obama (twice) think really should never come into play...

Unknown_voter posted...

Why would anyone want some over privileged child of two horrific wealthy presidents who have absolutely no understanding of the common people and terrible policies near the government?

I dunno, I mean, one got elected in 2000
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Bhaas1107 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Experience is relevant because being President is a fucking hard job and it's really important to get it right.

And we had someone who failed MISSERABLY for 8 years last, so maybe what people dumb enough to have voted Obama (twice) think really should never come into play...

Like Ulti?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Bhaas1107 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Experience is relevant because being President is a fucking hard job and it's really important to get it right.

And we had someone who failed MISSERABLY for 8 years last, so maybe what people dumb enough to have voted Obama (twice) think really should never come into play...

Like Ulti?

I mean,there really is no defense for voting for him twice... but at least in Ulti's case he realizes and admits it was a mammoth mistake.

Jakyl25 posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

Why would anyone want some over privileged child of two horrific wealthy presidents who have absolutely no understanding of the common people and terrible policies near the government?

I dunno, I mean, one got elected in 2000

yeah, hence why nobody wants that ever again.

and ulti for gods sake capitalism is an economic system, not a monetary system.

only capitalists want to raise the minimum wage. they just tend to be social democrats who think capitalism is great if you regulate it.

socialists want workers to seize the means of production and value themselves, rather than capitalists determining their worth and profiting off of their labor.

Bhaas1107 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Bhaas1107 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Experience is relevant because being President is a fucking hard job and it's really important to get it right.

And we had someone who failed MISSERABLY for 8 years last, so maybe what people dumb enough to have voted Obama (twice) think really should never come into play...

Like Ulti?

I mean,there really is no defense for voting for him twice... but at least in Ulti's case he realizes and admits it was a mammoth mistake.

No he doesn't. I forget what he thinks about 2012 but he says he'd still vote for him over McCain
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