Board 8 > Chrono Cross Mafia Topic 1 - Good Morning, Serge!

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Sceptilesolar
05/08/17 11:57:20 PM
#102:


I don't think that is acceptable. He hasn't even voted you, despite the fact that he has apparently counterclaimed you and thinks you're suspicious. You should chill out.
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eaedwards6400
05/08/17 11:57:43 PM
#103:


That was not a personal attack. However, I had a really hard time getting people to sign up for this game so please keep the personal stuff to a minimum. This is the only warning I am giving. I will modkill.

That being said I'm going to sleep.
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VeryInsane
05/08/17 11:58:25 PM
#104:


Bad demeanor to link to an ongoing game as "proof"
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ChaosTonyV4
05/09/17 12:01:51 AM
#105:


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Terra-enforcer
05/09/17 12:05:22 AM
#106:


Fucking Ay. Chrono Cross literally has like fifty characters and I get one of the non-cool unplayable ones. Da hell


All caught up now and not much has happened aside from THREE miller claims in just over an hour. I'm guessing that Corrik is lying (town or scum idfk), Ulti is telling the truth, and MZero is up in the air. I can't recall the last game I played with mzero so I forget how he plays entirely tbh
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Terra-enforcer
05/09/17 12:07:44 AM
#107:


@MZero11
How do you feel about the two other miller claims??
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Corrik
05/09/17 12:09:05 AM
#108:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Corrik posted...
If I had to say one is more likely fake than the others, I would say Ultis. Because you would say why would scum counterclaim miller there. Which effectively creates a shield for ulti where mzero would always likely get lynched before ulti and that shield remains more and more effective as the game goes on. And then if mzero is mislynched then ulti can just go well I guess there was 2 millers my bad... and people are less likely to test it then. Little did he know I was miller. I highly doubt there is 3 though.


It was a pretty quick counterclaim. Does that factor in at all? Makes it seem less likely to have been prepared.

A quick counterclaim makes it look slightly better just because to plan it out it means he had to of thought there would be a miller in the first place and then wait for the post to hit. How quick we talking? Also slightly depends on the knowledge of the game from ulti as well.
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Sceptilesolar
05/09/17 12:22:53 AM
#109:


Corrik posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Corrik posted...
If I had to say one is more likely fake than the others, I would say Ultis. Because you would say why would scum counterclaim miller there. Which effectively creates a shield for ulti where mzero would always likely get lynched before ulti and that shield remains more and more effective as the game goes on. And then if mzero is mislynched then ulti can just go well I guess there was 2 millers my bad... and people are less likely to test it then. Little did he know I was miller. I highly doubt there is 3 though.


It was a pretty quick counterclaim. Does that factor in at all? Makes it seem less likely to have been prepared.

A quick counterclaim makes it look slightly better just because to plan it out it means he had to of thought there would be a miller in the first place and then wait for the post to hit. How quick we talking? Also slightly depends on the knowledge of the game from ulti as well.


Five minutes or less, I thought. It feels unusual to me that he would maneuver himself into that position so quickly willingly.
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MZero11
05/09/17 12:26:37 AM
#110:


Terra-enforcer posted...
@MZero11
How do you feel about the two other miller claims??


Corrik is fibbing. I'm inclined to believe Ulti for now
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Corrik
05/09/17 12:48:03 AM
#113:


Sceptilesolar posted...
Corrik posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
Corrik posted...
If I had to say one is more likely fake than the others, I would say Ultis. Because you would say why would scum counterclaim miller there. Which effectively creates a shield for ulti where mzero would always likely get lynched before ulti and that shield remains more and more effective as the game goes on. And then if mzero is mislynched then ulti can just go well I guess there was 2 millers my bad... and people are less likely to test it then. Little did he know I was miller. I highly doubt there is 3 though.


It was a pretty quick counterclaim. Does that factor in at all? Makes it seem less likely to have been prepared.

A quick counterclaim makes it look slightly better just because to plan it out it means he had to of thought there would be a miller in the first place and then wait for the post to hit. How quick we talking? Also slightly depends on the knowledge of the game from ulti as well.


Five minutes or less, I thought. It feels unusual to me that he would maneuver himself into that position so quickly willingly.

If you are miller you first post claim it or you do not. I mean, his first post just happened to be 5 mins later instead of 30 minutes. I did not know anyone even claimed Miller when I had.
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Corrik
05/09/17 12:50:28 AM
#114:


UltimaterializerX posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
That was not a personal attack. However, I had a really hard time getting people to sign up for this game so please keep the personal stuff to a minimum. This is the only warning I am giving. I will modkill.

That being said I'm going to sleep.

Post 101 is 100% mafia related, and I have him on ignore so it *doesn't* get personal. I'm completely done getting dragged down by trolling in any way :)

While I highly doubt he is even telling the truth here, having people on ignore during a game is against the rules of the game. So replace out if you need to do so.
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Corrik
05/09/17 12:51:33 AM
#115:


Anywho. I see some people posted early and went silentm. Shadow and lolo i think.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/09/17 12:55:22 AM
#116:


Corrik posted...
Anywho. I see some people posted early and went silentm. Shadow and lolo i think.

How does that make you feel?
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Corrik
05/09/17 12:59:48 AM
#117:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Corrik posted...
Anywho. I see some people posted early and went silentm. Shadow and lolo i think.

How does that make you feel?

Observant
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Leafeon13N
05/09/17 1:38:13 AM
#118:


Corrik is still alive in that game. That post from Ulti is 100% uncool in my book.

Would have modkilled if i were host.
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Corrik
05/09/17 1:54:58 AM
#119:


Anyways. Any other millers or we good now on this?
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Leafeon13N
05/09/17 1:55:43 AM
#120:


I can be a miller if you want i guess.
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VeryInsane
05/09/17 1:58:24 AM
#121:


I'm a miller
He's a miller
She's a miller
We're all millers!
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VeryInsane
05/09/17 2:01:40 AM
#122:


UltimaterializerX posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
That was not a personal attack. However, I had a really hard time getting people to sign up for this game so please keep the personal stuff to a minimum. This is the only warning I am giving. I will modkill.

That being said I'm going to sleep.

Post 101 is 100% mafia related, and I have him on ignore so it *doesn't* get personal. I'm completely done getting dragged down by trolling in any way :)


Also why do you say he's on ignore in game when there was a lot of fussing a couple games ago about it (from the opposite end, mind you)?

Do you like making mafia more complicated than it needs to be? It's extremely hard to resuscitate mafia on this board when you keep pouring more saltwater down its throat
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VeryInsane
05/09/17 2:23:53 AM
#123:


Like this is why people are quitting mafia and are refusing to play with you, Ulti. You keep making games about yourself. I can't even really pressure anybody today because it has been already made clear and apparent that either you or Corrik have to go because of this sideshow distraction. Not even talking about the miller claims, but the personality dispute. I would probably prefer Corrik just by sheer gut (came off as too nice to me) but knowing how you act you are already likely going to be the lynch for today.

I hope you are happy in the position you put yourself in.

Going to bed, but I expect you to unignore Corrik when I wake up.
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Corrik
05/09/17 2:28:10 AM
#124:


Whoa. Did VI just say he wants to lynch me for being nice? ##vote: VI

Uh uh. Got scum written all over that.
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VeryInsane
05/09/17 2:39:26 AM
#125:


Not really

You are brash, proud, and a bit of a dick (no offense). Being nice is pandering, a la a pretty solid scumtell from you
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VeryInsane
05/09/17 2:41:02 AM
#126:


Oh yeah before someone questions why I said Ulti/Corrik and not MZero: MZero isn't in a blood dispute right now
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Corrik
05/09/17 2:52:09 AM
#127:


VeryInsane posted...
Not really

You are brash, proud, and a bit of a dick (no offense). Being nice is pandering, a la a pretty solid scumtell from you

One scum down.
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red13n
05/09/17 3:18:36 AM
#130:


Also most disappointing thing about this game: There is no kanz for me to tell people not to lynch (only for them to inexplicably lynch him as town anyway).
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red13n
05/09/17 3:20:01 AM
#131:


Also a good chunk of me is totally unopposed to just policy lynching ulti for the betterment of the game here.
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Corrik
05/09/17 4:01:57 AM
#133:


red13n posted...
Also most disappointing thing about this game: There is no kanz for me to tell people not to lynch (only for them to inexplicably lynch him as town anyway).

Shucks. = / Red, you should claim
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MZero11
05/09/17 4:04:10 AM
#134:


UltimaterializerX posted...
MZero11 posted...
I'm inclined to believe Ulti for now

I really don't buy it with you dude. Glenn as a miller makes no sense.


I haven't played the game and I don't know man

according to my flavor the Dragoons are scum and I'm a dragoon, thus a miller
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red13n
05/09/17 4:13:54 AM
#136:


Anyone that is Miller X isn't going to claim the X part. Why are you fishing ulti.
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Nanahara715
05/09/17 8:20:24 AM
#138:


UltimaterializerX posted...
And I refuse to buy Glenn as a miller. He's probably the most popular party member other than Serge in the entire game and he has no real basis for being a miller in this game. It's also a perfect safelist miller claim because no one in their right mind would lynch that.


You refuse to buy Glenn as miller while acknowledging that Glenn would be a perfect safelist miller claim?

Bigger elephant in the room- saying Glenn would be on the safelist.

Glenn is a Dragoon - why would that be a safelist flavor and not just his flavor?
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Oddity
05/09/17 8:24:25 AM
#139:


I caught up. Not really willing to sort out the 3 miller claims right now. I have to go to work like 5 mins ago. I kind of want to lynch VI for trying to make this a Corrik/Ulti day.

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VeryInsane
05/09/17 8:44:30 AM
#140:


Corrik posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Not really

You are brash, proud, and a bit of a dick (no offense). Being nice is pandering, a la a pretty solid scumtell from you

One scum down.


Keep playing solitaire, amigo!

Oddity posted...
I caught up. Not really willing to sort out the 3 miller claims right now. I have to go to work like 5 mins ago. I kind of want to lynch VI for trying to make this a Corrik/Ulti day.

##Vote: VeryInsane


That's not the direction I want, it's the direction that is going to have to be in order for Town to actually win.

You see, I don't know if you know this, but teamwork and communication are extremely integral to the game of mafia. Ulti has stated that he is unwilling to communicate with Corrik. They have both claimed roles (Miller) that are essentially guaranteed to not be shot for the next few game days. So tell me, what happens to Town players that don't communicate? I'll give you a hint: Chrono Trigger Mafia Town failed to communicate. Mercs 4 Town failed to communicate.

That's right, they lose. And quite frankly, I am tired of seeing Town lose. I actually want to win this game, with as little sideshow distractions as possible. And if there are players who are unwilling to work together, then they can go die in a fire.

So I don't care if you think I am big bad scum because I am trying to wedge Corrik/Ulti. In my town eyes, it is honestly the only logical way to win this game because if they are Town they will cost this game. The only way I will accept otherwise is if someone else blatantly claims scum.
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My Immortal
05/09/17 8:56:08 AM
#141:


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Sceptilesolar
05/09/17 8:59:51 AM
#142:


I personally don't see how we can possibly have a good game if Ulti keeps Corrik on ignore, but I would rather this be resolved by Ulti agreeing to be sensible about this.

Anyway. Right now I want to start hearing more from the players who were too busy to talk yesterday. Lolo obviously in particular.
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VeryInsane
05/09/17 9:01:20 AM
#143:


Ooh, cool tag (and I'm sorry for having to bring this upMI but)

Ulti, remember when MI was going to put you on ignore and you called him cowardly? What makes this acceptable compared to that?

Corrik, remember when you PMed me threatenening to leave my game if MI was allowed to keep Ulti on ignore l? Why is Ulti allowed to have you on ignore?
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VeryInsane
05/09/17 9:02:14 AM
#144:


Sceptilesolar posted...
I personally don't see how we can possibly have a good game if Ulti keeps Corrik on ignore, but I would rather this be resolved by Ulti agreeing to be sensible about this.


Well that's why I'm trying to work this out as smoothly as possible
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Nanahara715
05/09/17 9:12:52 AM
#145:


I mean, just random numbers tells us that there's a 58% chance at least one of Ulti & Corrik are mafia, 42% that they are both town, and an 9% chance they are both mafia.

About a 1.7% chance this is a scum gamble by VI/Corrik/Ulti.
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benjamin3740
05/09/17 9:14:07 AM
#146:


VeryInsane posted...
Corrik posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Not really

You are brash, proud, and a bit of a dick (no offense). Being nice is pandering, a la a pretty solid scumtell from you

One scum down.


Keep playing solitaire, amigo!

Oddity posted...
I caught up. Not really willing to sort out the 3 miller claims right now. I have to go to work like 5 mins ago. I kind of want to lynch VI for trying to make this a Corrik/Ulti day.

##Vote: VeryInsane


That's not the direction I want, it's the direction that is going to have to be in order for Town to actually win.

You see, I don't know if you know this, but teamwork and communication are extremely integral to the game of mafia. Ulti has stated that he is unwilling to communicate with Corrik. They have both claimed roles (Miller) that are essentially guaranteed to not be shot for the next few game days. So tell me, what happens to Town players that don't communicate? I'll give you a hint: Chrono Trigger Mafia Town failed to communicate. Mercs 4 Town failed to communicate.

That's right, they lose. And quite frankly, I am tired of seeing Town lose. I actually want to win this game, with as little sideshow distractions as possible. And if there are players who are unwilling to work together, then they can go die in a fire.

So I don't care if you think I am big bad scum because I am trying to wedge Corrik/Ulti. In my town eyes, it is honestly the only logical way to win this game because if they are Town they will cost this game. The only way I will accept otherwise is if someone else blatantly claims scum.

That stuff makes some sense and all, but at the end of the day I'd rather all votes be directed towards the person believed to be scum. I came into this game knowing Ulti and Corrik were gonna go at it. So if one or both of them rolled town, I see it as my job to keep them alive. That said, they really should improve on their communication with each other,

As for what I think of them, I still see Ulti's counterclaim as pretty genuine. Corrik I'm 100% sure is lying about his. He's definitely lying about "Posting before reading he game"(He's tried that one a few times before). Either Mafia or trying to bait scum. The fact he jumped on VI right away makes me think he's baiting to see who goes for him first. Or it could just be him trying to look "not nice", after VI called him nice. Corrik is one of the hardest people for me to read. *thinks about epic fail in FCC mafia*
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Nanahara715
05/09/17 9:18:19 AM
#147:


whatisurnameplz posted...
Ok I'll bold it to make it clear

##Vote: MZero


Glenn's being a miller doesn't make sense because you never are given a reason to consider him an enemy during the game. You never fight him, you first see him in the game watching over someone's grave (i think, it could be a memorial), heck he's even named after Frog from CT, a character who's all about good and justice. There's far better choices for one. With Riddel, I don't think you ever fight here either but in the game you see here spending a lot more time with the enemy; it's a lot more clear she's alligned with them.


On an aside, this makes zero sense. "Glenn isn't a miller because he isn't a bad guy" is literally what a miller is (i.e. Not a bad guy).
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benjamin3740
05/09/17 9:21:53 AM
#148:


What's considered an "enemy" in Chrono Cross? Because whatisurname said after that that he wasnt talking about Dragoons. But Riddel is a dragoon's daughter right?
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Nanahara715
05/09/17 9:27:16 AM
#149:


benjamin3740 posted...
What's considered an "enemy" in Chrono Cross? Because whatisurname said after that that he wasnt talking about Dragoons. But Riddel is a dragoon's daughter right?


Yes? I mean, he later says he never mentioned the Dragoons, which while technically true, he alludes to it ("Riddel spends a lot of time with the enemy", where "enemy" here clearly refers to the Dragoons, even if Dragoons is never explicitly typed.)
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eaedwards6400
05/09/17 9:29:28 AM
#150:


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eaedwards6400
05/09/17 9:29:41 AM
#151:


DAY 1 Votals:
[2] sceptile - Shadow, IGCD
[2] MZero - Ulti, whatisurnameplz
[2] VI - (IGCD),Corrik, Oddity
[1] PJ - nana
[1] Lulu - Sceptile
[1] whatisurnameplz - MZero

Day ends in less than 46 and a half hours and it takes 9 to lynch.

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