Board 8 > Chrono Cross Mafia Topic 2 - Where Angels Lose Their Way...

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MZero11 posted...

Ulti created nice diversion...so scum can lay low...

When I was on a scum team with him, that is exactly what he did.
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MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

I'm asking Mzero because he's called you both confirmed scum and I havent heard his opinion on the other guy in ahwile and just wondering when he made the jump to you

I never called nameplz confirmed scum, and as for Ulti I was just mocking him for saying "Corrik is 100% scum. You're welcome" 138 times in Mercs 4 mafia >_> (Corrik was town btw) I'm not actually saying Ulti is confirmed scum

Ah, i gotcha. And okay that's fair reasoning on Ulti. I guess I dont find him as particularly offensive and dont really know why he'd counterclaim you and rush into your lynch if he is scum and you flip town miller. If that were to happen, well, I'd definitely kill him. Is he good wioth going 1:1? Maybe I guess. He seemed to be in that last game he was scum.
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Oddity posted...

I'm going to go through the player list and post standout thoughts.

1.benjamin3740 - I had circumstances with you last game that gave me townread vibes from a mile away, bro. Not sure you're so cut and dry this game but I can't recall disliking anything you've posted (even your vote of me, completely justified).
4.Lolo_Guru - massive lurkage. Want to kill so hard.
6.Nanahara715 - People are saying nanahara is super towny but I didn't really like his attack on pj saying basically 'you read the whole topic in 6 minutes?' I timed myself and came in at 2 minutes and a half before I got to the third miller claim. Super easy. Leaning scum.
8.pjbasis - super inactive but post 207 I read towny as hell. He'd have to do something drastic for me to pick him for a day 1 lynch.

9.red13n - slight town lean
11.Shadow_Goer16 - slight scum lean, called out inactives and then didn't vote them.
13.Terra-enforcer - slight scum lean. Post 106 breadcrumbs his character and he strikes me as a savvy player. More likely scum than not.
15.VeryInsane - still trying to decide what I think of his reaction to my vote. Him suspecting me isn't surprising but.... slight town lean I guess.

Most likely scum: Nana and Shadow

Fair warning, my reads are based off of behavior and small towntells for the most part. So you might not necessarily agree with me.

As for the whole Ulti/Corrik/Mzero mess. I would really have to reread their stuff to make any sense of it and I'm just too tired. Townlean on Ulti and Corrik is just flat out lying methinx.

I'm sorry this is all I have up to this point but I'm super rl busy for this particular 48 hours :(

##Unvote
##Vote: Lolo

Let's kill the inactive with fire people! CHOO CHOO!

And yes, I'm aware of the irony :P

I dont like this, because you say Nana and Shadow are most likely scum, but vote Lolo - who is a very easy person to vote for (Whether scum or town), because they've only posted once and are not here to fight you. With that vote you could easily stay on or jump off depending on what happens, while voting Nana means you have to fight him.
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I have requested a replace.
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Damn it lolo.

Also I'm reading back the topic, this shadow dude hunting for 3rd party is firing off all sorts of red flags for me. Board 8 is pretty good about knowing not to hunt for 3rd party, unsure how that knowledge has translated to outsiders. Would love some enlightening on how that usually plays out elsewhere.
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Anyway, I have a couple of things.

Ulti I want to know why the hell you are parading yourself as if you are host confirmed town. You aren't, but I want your explanation anyway.

Second, a big chunk of me really wants to just burn PJ. I am really sick of this game where we hope hes useful late while also just praying hes not scum. Its not a fun game to play, he skates by on not participating whatsoever for days on end and nothing about it is even slightly pro town.

Also Corrik feels like the Corrik from the last game I played(He was town) and I worry he'll get the wrong read on PJ again and doom us all. On that note Corrik I want to know what the hell you think of PJ(For what little hes given us). You were pretty certain he was town early on last game I was played(You were wrong) so I expect you to have some sort of thoughts on his 3 or however many worthless posts hes given us.
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Also I see you online, Ulti.
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Sure you can.
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I'm admittedly a bit biased here!
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red13n posted...

Anyway, I have a couple of things.

Ulti I want to know why the hell you are parading yourself as if you are host confirmed town. You aren't, but I want your explanation anyway.

Second, a big chunk of me really wants to just burn PJ. I am really sick of this game where we hope hes useful late while also just praying hes not scum. Its not a fun game to play, he skates by on not participating whatsoever for days on end and nothing about it is even slightly pro town.

Also Corrik feels like the Corrik from the last game I played(He was town) and I worry he'll get the wrong read on PJ again and doom us all. On that note Corrik I want to know what the hell you think of PJ(For what little hes given us). You were pretty certain he was town early on last game I was played(You were wrong) so I expect you to have some sort of thoughts on his 3 or however many worthless posts hes given us.

I said PJ was town because I wanted his vote to keep following me. I stated that later in that game.
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Incoming Wall-o-text

Finally all caught up. You could probably see from my post history that I've been here from time to time on this site, just not posting in these topics specifically. I got too far behind in reading posts and almost replaced out due to laziness tbh. But I'm here now, so whatever.

Just some (can't spoil everything just yet ;->)of my general thoughts after reading through again

Bad vibes from IG. He usually posts a lot more than he has now (I know I know same argument can be used against me), and he feels more forcefully trolly this game. He's similar to Corrik in that he intentionally plays haphazardly to seemingly throw people off regardless of his alignment, but everything he's done so far that has been indicative of this behavior this game (from his vote to the aforementioned trolling) feels more forced instead of his natural behavior.

I may be underestimating him, but personally I think that Corrik has to be lying or telling the truth. Obvious statement is obvious, but by this I mean he clearly doesn’t know the flavor, and there were only 5 minutes between his role claim and flavor claim which wouldn’t give him much time to fake it as he normally would as town. I wish someone would have asked for a full claim, but that time has kind of passed in regards to my theory. I know this is Corrik we're talking about, but he made a very specific claim, so I don't see this situation as being like most others with him.

Leaning scum on Oddity. In my notes I made as I was reading, I had the same reaction Nana did to him in that he pushed to vote inactivity over actual scum. Very basic scumtell, and his reaction to Nana (as well as his responses in general) was pretty bad too. That’s also ignoring the fact that his “scum reads” post was so low effort. His thoughts basically amounted to gut or paper thin reasoning (sometimes entirely nonexistent as with red for some reason). The almost immediate backtrack after being called out that basically invalidates his entire scum reads post doesn’t help either. He comes across as either a very new town player, or scum.

Oh yeah, he also ignored post #17 which I was hoping he would respond to as well.

I also have a theory that VI and Odd are scummates, but we’ll see how that pans out.

@whatsurname
A bit late, but do you think Mzero made up his claim? If so, why would he do so instead of securing a safeclaim first? Safeclaims are made by the mod directly, and unless the moderator is poor at allocating roles and flavor, safeclaims should make as much sense as any other role. You put a lot of energy into using flavor meta against him several times, but that reasoning seems very weak.

@benjamin3740
How good is Shadow at playing dumb? And how would you scale her as a player in general? I can't recall how she plays much at all for the life of me, but I definitely was getting some major town vibes from her at how naive and rather simple minded she came across earlier (around post 250 somewhere in topic 1). I don't know enough about her to estimate if it was genuine or forced, but feels more genuine than anything else to me.

Also while I'm @ the @ing game, @Leo3L

I really want to ISO Urname when I get the opportunity to do so.
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Oops my bad ing lol
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Oh yeah (Triple post) @Sheep007 as well. I want to hear more from you.

And on the topic of the three supposed miller claims, I personally believe that situation should be put on the backburner from now barring any blatant slip ups. Too many variables to account for, and there seem to be much more suspect players that should be lynched first.
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You guys need to relax. I actually read the whole game more or less this time!
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Good that we're getting a replacement, I hope someone will volunteer. I don't see the point for this vote anymore then.

##Unvote

I've found suspicious behavior out of all three Millers at this point, which doesn't help me much. It does bother me, though, that MZero started off saying that Ulti could easily be telling the truth and didn't seem to think he was worth voting, and is now saying Ulti is 100% scum. Oddity's post inventing town-looking behavior from pj that Nana pointed out also looks awful and I wouldn't be surprised if they were teammates.

##Vote: MZero

He has just felt off to me since the start.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

And on the topic of the three supposed miller claims, I personally believe that situation should be put on the backburner from now barring any blatant slip ups. Too many variables to account for, and there seem to be much more suspect players that should be lynched first.

Heh...and this is how they get ya
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Oddity's post inventing town-looking behavior from pj that Nana pointed out also looks awful and I wouldn't be surprised if they were teammates.

dafuq
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red13n posted...

Also I'm reading back the topic, this shadow dude hunting for 3rd party is firing off all sorts of red flags for me. Board 8 is pretty good about knowing not to hunt for 3rd party, unsure how that knowledge has translated to outsiders. Would love some enlightening on how that usually plays out elsewhere.

I've only ever played like 2 or 3 games here. Once of which did have 3rd party in it. So I'm not sure how exactly people set their games up here
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Currently at work so I'm catching up as much as I can
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MZero11 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Mzero, which looks worse. Ulti or whatisurnamesolongfordammit

I swear I replied to this already but I don't see my post anywhere O_O

Ulti looks worse because nameplz has at least poked around and tried to look around at other options and contribute in other ways. Ulti has done literally nothing other than try to ride his "counter" claim on me, which makes me think he came into today planning to do that. Remember how I hounded Death in the last game? Scum hates to let go of a mislynch when it looks attainable, but nameplz jumped off me pretty easy but Ulti refuses to look any other direction (even though he should know 2 millers isn't unheard of)

Furthermore, claiming "host confirmed" is awful

How could Ulti come into the day planning to counterclaim? He didn't know anyone would claim Miller. Also in a general sense I think town is more likely to become dedicated to a bad lynch than scum is. Scum tends to have alternate options so they don't lock themselves into one. Though I think Ulti is fairly likely to tunnel as either alignmment.

MZero11 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Anybody else worth talking about MZero

Problem is Ulti created nice diversion with his counter-claim so scum can lay low today. Lolo Guru is especially concerning because he posted on page 1 and hasn't been seen since

Other than that, I made a case on nameplz being opportunistic and following Ulti so willingly. Pjbasis should contribute more when he's around, didn't really add much. Same with Terra

This is a pretty weak list of suspicions, three of them are just people who should post more. I wouldn't be surprised if you were hiding scumbuddies among the three.
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Caught up. I'm looking scummy, big surprise. I like how it's scummy that my suspicions are weak and I follow my gut. What about either of those things is scummy? I have to go to work, so I literally have no more time, but considering the replace situation...

##Unvote
##Vote: Nana
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pjbasis posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

And on the topic of the three supposed miller claims, I personally believe that situation should be put on the backburner from now barring any blatant slip ups. Too many variables to account for, and there seem to be much more suspect players that should be lynched first.

Heh...and this is how they get ya

I'm not ignoring them completely, I just think that there's too much to account for that to be our prime debate of the day 1 lynch.
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Oddity posted...

I like how it's scummy that my suspicions are weak and I follow my gut. What about either of those things is scummy?

Because you veiled your "gut" as if you had reason to believe those suspicions. You can't seriously blame people for calling you out for your poor reasoning if you use poor reasoning to support your "gut."
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Terra-enforcer posted...

pjbasis posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

And on the topic of the three supposed miller claims, I personally believe that situation should be put on the backburner from now barring any blatant slip ups. Too many variables to account for, and there seem to be much more suspect players that should be lynched first.

Heh...and this is how they get ya

I'm not ignoring them completely, I just think that there's too much to account for that to be our prime debate of the day 1 lynch.

I don't think the game will ever get to the point where you think "ok NOW we decide to lynch one of the millers." After Day 1 we're gonna get power role claims, people are gonna get caught saying dumb shit, we'll have voting records and flips to work with.
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pjbasis posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

pjbasis posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

And on the topic of the three supposed miller claims, I personally believe that situation should be put on the backburner from now barring any blatant slip ups. Too many variables to account for, and there seem to be much more suspect players that should be lynched first.

Heh...and this is how they get ya

I'm not ignoring them completely, I just think that there's too much to account for that to be our prime debate of the day 1 lynch.

I don't think the game will ever get to the point where you think "ok NOW we decide to lynch one of the millers." After Day 1 we're gonna get power role claims, people are gonna get caught saying dumb shit, we'll have voting records and flips to work with.

It's not like they haven't before. Not miller specifically, but if there's ever a role early on that is deemed suspect, it's generally dealt with rather quickly, especially if one of the suspect players slips or gets paired with a confirmed scum player.

Conversely, this whole situation is a can of worms in itself. If we force ourselves to go miller today, people are bound to obligated to go miller again if we end up cutting the wrong wire and lynch an actual miller. In the scenario in which we target a claimed miller, I think we need at least need to be much more certain on who to lynch so we won't have to deal with that (all assuming one of the millers is lying to begin with).

I wouldn't be surprised if Mzero ends up today's lynch, but I personally don't feel like going down that path right now.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

If we force ourselves to go miller today, people are bound to obligated to go miller again if we end up cutting the wrong wire and lynch an actual miller.

I feel you dog, I guess I just don't like the backburner phrasing. Millers are basically just vanillas we have a little more information about (like they can't both be scum right?).
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Sceptile with a great catch. I can't go into a game planning to counterclaim miller as scum. That's just totally unrealistic.

Sceptile looking great. MZero looking extra bad for the summer wear flip flops.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

more forcefully trolly

phrases like this make no sense
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It feels so grimy to be all "look at all these good points people bring up about me! I must be town!"
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pjbasis posted...

It feels so grimy to be all "look at all these good points people bring up about me! I must be town!"

Uh no, it was a point against MZero's terrible point.

I'm town because of host confirmation, not Sceptile's post.
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Oh and if red is pushing for modkills, he's probably scum. Very old scumtell I have on him but it likely still applies given his holier than thou win at all costs personality.

I don't even blame him. If I sas scum I would also be pushing for town modkills. Anything to win within the rules is a valid play, but unfortunately it's a MASSIVE scumtell for him so I have to point it out.
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Ulti why do you think I'm town
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Also Ulti please drop it. It's sounding like you planned to ignore Corrik all along just so you can get "host confirmed" which is super scummy. Not in game but outside of it.
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Tag
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VeryInsane posted...

Also Ulti please drop it. It's sounding like you planned to ignore Corrik all along just so you can get "host confirmed" which is super scummy. Not in game but outside of it.

lol is that is a laughably stupid accusation
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I'm not in this game, please don't tag me
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Prove me wrong then, stop bragging about being host confirmed and play some mafia
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Oddity posted...

Caught up. I'm looking scummy, big surprise. I like how it's scummy that my suspicions are weak and I follow my gut. What about either of those things is scummy? I have to go to work, so I literally have no more time, but considering the replace situation...

##Unvote
##Vote: Nana

Huzzah. Dude is pressured into voting a scum read because people said "not doing so looked scummy." Makes a claim here about "why are my actions scummy." Way to stick to the guns and also not worry about appearances /s.

This is basically a delayed countervote. It's not different than the situation MZero is in right now.
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Yeah that vote and his list from earlier just don't look good, especially from Oddity

I guess that is good enough to warrant a vote!

##vote: Oddity
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Eaed mentioned in sign ups he is looking for a replace btw
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How have I not been playing mafia, especially when I think red of all people is scum? Give me a break.

Also one of the first to call Oddity out and now everyone is voting him. Greatest Of All Fucking Time, son.
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VeryInsane posted...

Eaed mentioned in sign ups he is looking for a replace btw

For Lolo, right?

@DoomTheGyarados, come play mafia bro.
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I really like Terra as town at the moment. Seems like a good effort that he doesn't put in if he's scum.

Initially neutral on Ben from T2P56, but then saw his vote was already on Oddity - putting him for town for now.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Oddity posted...

Caught up. I'm looking scummy, big surprise. I like how it's scummy that my suspicions are weak and I follow my gut. What about either of those things is scummy? I have to go to work, so I literally have no more time, but considering the replace situation...

##Unvote
##Vote: Nana

Huzzah. Dude is pressured into voting a scum read because people said "not doing so looked scummy." Makes a claim here about "why are my actions scummy." Way to stick to the guns and also not worry about appearances /s.

This is basically a delayed countervote. It's not different than the situation MZero is in right now.

Didn't Ulti make a big deal about that too?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

more forcefully trolly

phrases like this make no sense

It makes perfect sense.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

more forcefully trolly

phrases like this make no sense

It makes perfect sense.

Sorry bro, but it doesnt
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UItimaterializer posted...

ceptile with a great catch. I can't go into a game planning to counterclaim miller as scum. That's just totally unrealistic.

Unless you were planning on claiming miller as scum since the beginning, then went yolo mode/decided to just go with it to see how much ground you could gain with a miller counterclaim since many wouldn't be nearly as suspect about a miller counterclaim (in addition to the whole can of worms it opens for town)
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

more forcefully trolly

phrases like this make no sense

It makes perfect sense.

Sorry bro, but it doesnt

I'm not sure what you aren't understanding here. It's similar to how I often get "forcefully" angry when I'm scum. Your posts seemed forced just so that you had a presence, or people thought that you were acting like you normally do.
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