Poll of the Day > Hypothetically, if collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia is found

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Is that grounds for impeachment?
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Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.
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Yep.
InfernalFive posted...

Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.

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Won't happen until the Dems run the houses. Republicans have said they don't want to investigate any of this. Lacks emails.
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That would be far more than just grounds for impeachment of both President and Vice President. It would be grounds for treason charges.

YahooPoster posted...

Won't happen until the Dems run the houses. Republicans have said they don't want to investigate any of this. Lacks emails.

Citation
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Trump will have to give up his prize money and be banned from all future EVO events.
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SushiSquid posted...

That would be far more than just grounds for impeachment of both President and Vice President. It would be grounds for treason charges.

Holy crap. That's crazy. We could have another Nixon on our hands.
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Unfortunately it's looking like we have something much worse than that. Colluding with a foreign government is way worse than a break-in.

Assuming that happened. I'm really hoping Trump and his campaign didn't do that. If they are innocent, they sure aren't acting like it.

Between the way the senate hearing went this morning, and the apparant FBI raid in Annapolis, I doubt anyone in this administration will be in office by the end of the month. I think they are gonna start resigning like dominos.
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It's pretty bull shit if collusion is found and Trump is actually guilty of all the conspiracy theories and is so guilty he not only resigns or is impeached but goes to jail ("LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!" sounds like a fun chant...) and it's outright admitted by all involved that the election was stolen....

Republicans' punishment is getting Mike Pence in the office instead. Or Paul Ryan if Pence gets impeached, too. Oh, darn. That will really suck for them, they'd just HATE to have either of those guys as President after having never been elected to the office. Justice totally served.
What a fucking joke!

It would depend on the nature of the collusion. If they collaborated on a plan to hack and leak information, then yes, nobody would object to that. However, in reality, nothing even close to that happened and everything is just the Birther Movement 2.0

InfernalFive posted...

Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.

lol, just lol
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SushiSquid posted...

Unfortunately it's looking like we have something much worse than that. Colluding with a foreign government is way worse than a break-in.

LOL! Keep drinking that kool-aid.
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Zeus posted...

However, in reality, nothing even close to that happened and everything is just the Birther Movement 2.0

This is just stupid.

Unless you think Obama fired the person overseeing the investigation to whether or not he had a birth certificate. You are also saying that the US intelligence agencies are as reliable as a binch of racist assholes that questioned the authenticity of a person's citizenship becuase they didn't "look like some from here and had a foreign sounding name"
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Zeus posted...

InfernalFive posted...

Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.

lol, just lol

Didn't say it was a very good reason but the dems will take anything at this point. And to be honest, he kinda deserved to be fired. Dude was super unprofessional with the Hillary stuff.
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I kind of like kyle from secular talk's theory. Trump probably didn't have any deal with the Russians, he just finally learned the comey was actually investigating him instead of just saying it for the press, and didn't like the idea of being investigated so he fired him without thinking about how it would appear.
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InfernalFive posted...

Zeus posted...

InfernalFive posted...

Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.

lol, just lol

Didn't say it was a very good reason but the dems will take anything at this point. And to be honest, he kinda deserved to be fired. Dude was super unprofessional with the Hillary stuff.

He deserved to be fired Jan 21.

He didn't deserve to be fired as soon as he asked for more funding for the Russia investigation.

Hercular1 posted...

Has anyone posting in this topic, besides Zeus, even done just a tiny bit of research in the Comey firing?

Trump fired Comey at the recommendation of the Assistant AG, who was confirmed 96-6 in the Senate, and the AG Sessions, who agreed with that recommendation.

Where the hell are you idiots getting your information from?

It has more to do with when and how he got fired than the fact that he was fired. I'm sure spicer hiding in a bush didn't help anything either.
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Hercular1 posted...

Has anyone posting in this topic, besides Zeus, even done just a tiny bit of research in the Comey firing?

Trump fired Comey at the recommendation of the Assistant AG, who was confirmed 96-6 in the Senate, and the AG Sessions, who agreed with that recommendation.

Where the hell are you idiots getting your information from?

Trump himself said he was going to fire Comey regardless of the recommendation.
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Comey should have been fired last year by Obama.

The timing doesn't matter, because according to every single intelligence head, including Clapper and Comey himself, there is no collusion with Russia. And even if there was/is, the investigation is still ongoing, and the firing of Comey doesn't stop that.

Also, whoever it was that leaked out that Comey requested more funding, was either lying, or the news is just making up more bullshit to try and make something negative stick. It never happened, and even the acting FBI director acknowledged this earlier.

Hercular1 posted...

Has anyone posting in this topic, besides Zeus, even done just a tiny bit of research in the Comey firing?

Trump fired Comey at the recommendation of the Assistant AG, who was confirmed 96-6 in the Senate, and the AG Sessions, who agreed with that recommendation.

Where the hell are you idiots getting your information from?

You are of course aware that Sessions swore an oath to recuse himself from all official matters pertaining to the Clinton Foundation?
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I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.
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Mead posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.

Learn your history.

Nixon told people to fire a special prosecutor, and they refused.

Trump fired Comey, which he is legally able to do so, at the recommendation of the Justice Department.

This isn't Watergate. Just stop.

Hercular1 posted...

Mead posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.

Learn your history.

Nixon told people to fire a special prosecutor, and they refused.

Trump fired Comey, which he is legally able to do so, at the recommendation of the Justice Department.

This isn't Watergate. Just stop.

There are striking parallels. Deal with it.
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Mead posted...

Hercular1 posted...

Mead posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.

Learn your history.

Nixon told peop
le to fire a special prosecutor, and they refused.

Trump fired Comey, which he is legally able to do so, at the recommendation of the Justice Department.

This isn't Watergate. Just stop.

There are striking parallels. Deal with it.

Mead posted...

Hercular1 posted...

Mead posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.

Learn your history.

Nixon told people to fire a special prosecutor, and they refused.

Trump fired Comey, which he is legally able to do so, at the recommendation of the Justice Department.

This isn't Watergate. Just stop.

There are striking parallels. Deal with it.

Maybe if I had Trump Derangement Syndrome, I could see what you see.

The fact that people get so violent and hostile over minor things is just sad
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Hercular1 posted...

Mead posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.

Learn your history.

Nixon told people to fire a special prosecutor, and they refused.

Trump fired Comey, which he is legally able to do so, at the recommendation of the Justice Department.

This isn't Watergate. Just stop.

The difference seems to be that the AG for Nixon actually had principles and refused the request and resigned.

Trump's cultivated a wonderful bunch of yes men in his cabinet.

Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

However, in reality, nothing even close to that happened and everything is just the Birther Movement 2.0

This is just stupid.

Unless you think Obama fired the person overseeing the investigation to whether or not he had a birth certificate. You are also saying that the US intelligence agencies are as reliable as a binch of racist assholes that questioned the authenticity of a person's citizenship becuase they didn't "look like some from here and had a foreign sounding name"

No, your response is just stupid considering that the parallels are perfect: So far we've had an unnecessary recount, an exonerated video tape, followed by the firing of Flynn, yet people are still clamoring for Trump's long-form birth certificate. There's zero substance to these claims which are being pushed by officials for political advantage and being bought into by the stupidest among us who desperately want them to be true because it would mean Trump would be gone.

Mead posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Obama was once again confirmed to be a US citizen and served out a 8 year term.
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Hercular1 posted...

Has anyone posting in this topic, besides Zeus, even done just a tiny bit of research in the Comey firing?

Trump fired Comey at the recommendation of the Assistant AG, who was confirmed 96-6 in the Senate, and the AG Sessions, who agreed with that recommendation.

Where the hell are you idiots getting your information from?

Lmao I <3 all your recent posts are in this topic. Get off yo alt fam.
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Zeus posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Obama was once again confirmed to be a US citizen and served out a 8 year term

When there is smoke it only makes sense to see if there is a fire.

One example has a fuck ton of smoke, the one you are using had none.

Deal with it.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/rod-rosenstein-james-comey-firing-2017-5

wonder how accurate this is.
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Has anyone posting in this topic, besides Zeus, even done just a tiny bit of research in the Comey firing?

Trump fired Comey at the recommendation of the Assistant AG, who was confirmed 96-6 in the Senate, and the AG Sessions, who agreed with that recommendation.

Where the hell are you idiots getting your information from?

For someone who claims to have done research on what happened you sure are shockingly ill informed.

The White House has given multiple reasons for Comey getting fired, culminating in Trump claiming he was fired because Comey was showboating and he was planning on getting rid of him for months.

Oh, and nice job deleting your post after you got called out on your dumb fuckery. It's a shame you had already been quoted.
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jedirood posted...

The fact that people get so violent and hostile over minor things is just sad

The guy that's subject to a criminal investigation just fired the guy leading the investigation. That's not small at all. That could easily be considered obstruction of justice and is grounds for impeachment.
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Hercular1 posted...

Mead posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Nixon resigned.

Learn your history.

Nixon told people to fire a special prosecutor, and they refused.

Trump fired Comey, which he is legally able to do so, at the recommendation of the Justice Department.

This isn't Watergate. Just stop.

Trump stated he was going to fire Comey no matter what they said. He just got them to write a paper to throw them under the bus. One of the people cited, btw, claimed he recused himself from these topics. Which is a extra level of corrupt.

And the other guy threatened to resign over it. Might still.

Yeah this was all Trump's idea. Funniest part of it all was when, in the letter to Comey, he lied and said that Comey had told him he wasn't under investigation. There's no way that happened. Instead, it just looks a whole bunch like:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial

SushiSquid posted...

Yeah this was all Trump's idea.

Nothing is Trump's idea.
He can't form coherent thoughts.

what is the actual 'proof' of his russian ties? i am out of the loop.
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I_Always_Die posted...

what is the actual 'proof' of his russian ties? i am out of the loop.

Right now the proof is regarding Flynn and his lies regarding accepting money for working as an agent for Russia. The fact that he requested an immunity deal implies there is more going on.

Beyond that there are intelligence reports claiming members of the Trump campaign were in contact with Russian intelligence agents throughout the campaign. Meanwhile Trump has had private meetings, including one just this week, with the individual responsible for the hack on the DNC.
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Obama was once again confirmed to be a US citizen and served out a 8 year term

When there is smoke it only makes sense to see if there is a fire.

One example has a fuck ton of smoke, the one you are using had none.

Deal with it.

Bump for Zeus answer. Y'all know it's gonna be bananas.
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

I wonder how many people were insisting there was no evidence of wrongdoing before Obama was once again confirmed to be a US citizen and served out a 8 year term

When there is smoke it only makes sense to see if there is a fire.

One example has a fuck ton of smoke, the one you are using had none.

Deal with it.

They have equal amounts of smoke and will have equal amounts of fire.

Deal with it.

Erik_P posted...

jedirood posted...

The fact that people get so violent and hostile over minor things is just sad

The guy that's subject to a criminal investigation just fired the guy leading the investigation. That's not small at all. That could easily be considered obstruction of justice and is grounds for impeachment.

LOL! Oh god, you're literally the worst. There are just so many factual inaccuracies that it's impossible to know where to start. First off, it's 100% legal to fire Comey under any conditions and no, that doesn't constitute obstruction which is an ILLEGAL act. Second, by that logic, any official could open an investigation against somebody for unlimited job security since it'd make them fire-proof. Third, and most importantly, it's NOT even a criminal investigation. You can't just toss words around without knowing what they mean. Right now, they're engaging in general fact-finding which, if they found anything, could form the basis of a criminal investigation. The fact that you know nothing about the US legal system wouldn't be so bad if you weren't allegedly a citizen.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Trump stated he was going to fire Comey no matter what they said. He just got them to write a paper to throw them under the bus. One of the people cited, btw, claimed he recused himself from these topics. Which is a extra level of corrupt.

That's not what happened. Well, mostly not. Trump did say that he had already made the decision to fire Comey, but he didn't "force" anybody to write a paper. As for Sessions, he recused himself from the investigation, NOT from doing his normal job. The decision to fire Comey has no direct ties to any investigation even if it could indirectly impede it (but, realistically, it doesn't even impede it because Comey wasn't personally doing all the legwork)
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InfernalFive posted...

Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.

I realize it's possible in theory, but do you really think so? It doesn't seem like anyone is treating it like a big deal outside of it simply being discussed.
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Mead posted...

I_Always_Die posted...

what is the actual 'proof' of his russian ties? i am out of the loop.

Right now the proof is regarding Flynn and his lies regarding accepting money for working as an agent for Russia. The fact that he requested an immunity deal implies there is more going on.

Beyond that there are intelligence reports claiming members of the Trump campaign were in contact with Russian intelligence agents throughout the campaign. Meanwhile Trump has had private meetings, including one just this week, with the individual responsible for the hack on the DNC.

Oh my fucking... uggghhhh, this is the most idiotic speculation. First off, the issue with Flynn all along was that he WASN'T telling Trump or Pence information about meetings with Russian officials. The baseline here argues AGAINST collusion, not for it. Second, the FBI already vindicated Flynn's meeting. Third, while you're trying to imply something sinister with the exchange of money, it was a filing problem because he was legally accepting money but didn't register himself. As for the issue of immunity, it's likely an overcautious measure which, judging from everything else, solely has to do with Flynn's activities.

Then you laughably suggest something nefarious in having private meetings with world leaders despite the fact that most meetings with world leaders are largely conducted in private other than some press op nonsense. After all, how many times Obama turn a conversation with a world leader into a Twitch stream?

TheCyborgNinja posted...

InfernalFive posted...

Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.

I realize it's possible in theory, but do you really think so? It doesn't seem like anyone is treating it like a big deal outside of it simply being discussed.

It's not possible in theory. First, you'd need to establish some actual wrongdoing to get legitimate support. Second, you'd need to sway a large enough group to proceed with the hearings which, in all likelihood, would just get filibustered unless Republicans wanted to toss Trump to the wolves to put Pence into power... but, since any allegations regarding Trump would probably apply to Pence, that would be a stupid plan.
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Zeus posted...

Comey's firing alone might end up being enough.

lol, just lol

He's not wrong.

Trump managed to figure out one of the only ways he could fire Comey and still do something illegal. The President can fire the director of the FBI for any reason or for no reason at all; had he said "I fired him because I didn't like how he did his hair," he would have been well within his authority. But Trump has said - flat-out, on tape - that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation, then followed up with a vaguely threatening tweet that could be construed as blackmail. If Trump fired Comey because the latter was heading up the Russia investigation and said investigation was not going the way the President wanted (I.E. stopping entirely) and then attempted to stifle Comey from going to the press, that's grounds for an Obstruction of Justice charge (which, incidentally, was exactly what the grounds for impeachment were for both Nixon and Clinton).

Even better, Trump may have gotten Jeff Sessions in hot water over this. There are reports that Sessions, Trump, and Rosenstein huddled to discuss the recommendation letter prior to its issue; if true - and if the Russia investigation came up at all in those discussions (and given that Trump himself has indicated that was the reason for the dismissal, it seems impossible that it wouldn't) - that would be Sessions involving himself in a matter in which he had previously recused himself. That is professional misconduct and would be grounds for disciplinary proceedings from the bar association that could potentially result in Sessions losing his license to practice law.
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Zeus posted...

First off, the issue with Flynn all along was that he WASN'T telling Trump or Pence information about meetings with Russian officials.

You. . .actually believe that? They were warned about that before Trump even took office. That is known dude.

Zeus posted...

Oh my fucking... uggghhhh, this is the most idiotic speculation.

Are you ok? Is something flowing through you?

Also it is getting kinda creepy the way you try to come back and argue many hours or sometimes even days later after others have forgotten the topic even exists
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That Zeus cat comes off crazy as hell. Only he don't seem to realize it.
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Mead posted...

Also it is getting kinda creepy the way you try to come back and argue many hours or sometimes even days later after others have forgotten the topic even exists

It is a tad worrisome that he's this obsessed with getting in the last word. :/
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So just like Trump? He has to have the last word and needs to have attention, even when that just makes things worse for him.

SushiSquid posted...

So just like Trump? He has to have the last word and needs to have attention, even when that just makes things worse for him.

Yes, which is likely why he feels such a strong connection with him.
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Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

However, in reality, nothing even close to that happened and everything is just the Birther Movement 2.0

This is just stupid.

Unless you think Obama fired the person overseeing the investigation to whether or not he had a birth certificate. You are also saying that the US intelligence agencies are as reliable as a binch of racist assholes that questioned the authenticity of a person's citizenship becuase they didn't "look like some from here and had a foreign sounding name"

Remember, this is Zeus you're talking about. His lips are gorilla glued to Trump's ass.
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TyVulpine posted...

Mead posted...

Zeus posted...

However, in reality, nothing even close to that happened and everything is just the Birther Movement 2.0

This is just stupid.

Unless you think Obama fired the person overseeing the investigation to whether or not he had a birth certificate. You are also saying that the US intelligence agencies are as reliable as a binch of racist assholes that questioned the authenticity of a person's citizenship becuase they didn't "look like some from here and had a foreign sounding name"

Remember, this is Zeus you're talking about. His lips are gorilla glued to Trump's ass.

Laughed for about five minutes at this.
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