Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Lilith/Cloud/Terra/Yuffie vs. Rikku/Kirby/Liquid Snake/Yu/Bass.EXE

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KanzarisKelshen
05/12/17 10:16:36 PM
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Lilith, Cloud Strife, Terra Branford and Yuffie Kisaragi have challenged Kirby, Liquid Snake, Yu Narukami, Bass.EXE and Rikku to a fight! Location of the fight: Bubbly Clouds - Fighters battle in the sky on thick clouds that are for some reason able to support weight, as seen in Kirby's Dreamland. The clouds are dense enough that jumping from cloud to cloud is reasonable, and many are large enough to hold several fighters per cloud, but missing a jump causes a fall of thousands of feet to the ground. The clouds extend infinitely into the distance, separated by varying distances between each other, and are destructible with a concerted effort. Attackers and defenders will start the fight separated 150 meters from each other.. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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Lilith is as she appears during the events of Borderlands 2, fully adapted to her Eridium-enhanced powers. She has fully mastered the Controller skill tree, and is equipped with the HellFire, Baby Maker and Tsunami SMGs, the Cobra, Penetrator and Lyuda sniper rifles and the Flame of the Firehawk shield, with Corrosive ammunition for the Baby Maker, Penetrator and Lyuda. She cannot mass teleport mercs or objects. Cloud has given her his motorcycle, Fenrir. Whenever Lilith receives a buff (both those from abilities and those received in battle), any parameters of it (i.e. duration, potency) are doubled.

Yuffie Kisaragi is as she appears in FFVII and the Kingdom Hearts games, a ninja wielding a giant shuriken. She has access to all of her limit breaks, as well as every magic type materia aside from Ultima, Destruct, Transform, Exit, Revive, and Full Cure. Her mind has been swapped with the mind of Knuckles the Echidna, who has all the experience and memories of starring in Resident Evil 4.

Cloud Strife is as seen in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, with access to the First Tsurugi and any abilities/skills granted by that equipment. He additionally has access to all magic (green) FF7 materia and his wing from Kingdom Hearts.

Terra is as she appears in Dissidia and at the end of FF6A, equipped with full Genji armour, Apocalypse, a Hero Ring, and a Gold Hairpin. She has all her natural magic, as well as those gained from Unicorn and Bahamut, including Raise. She does not, however, have Arise, Teleport, Break, Graviga, or Meltdown. She can enter Trance form at any time for 30 seconds (which also grants her access to EX mode), although it will go on cooldown for 2 minutes upon ending.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/12/17 10:17:05 PM
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~VS~

Bass.EXE is as he appears in the Megaman Battle Network series, with access to all the moves and properties of his Omega forms, though if any of his barriers/auras is destroyed, he loses access to all of them for the rest of the fight. He can operate here same as he does on the Net.

Kirby is as seen in the Kirby Super Star and Smash series. He has full use of his Smash Brothers Moveset along with the moves from his Beam, Parasol and Ice forms. (He has also inhaled Lilith, gaining a set of moves fitting her). He cannot inhale enemy fighters nor create helpers from his abilities during the match, but can inhale anything else and will not lose access to his forms due to taking damage. Whenever Kirby receives a buff (both those from abilities and those received in battle), any parameters of it (i.e. duration, potency) are doubled.

Yu Narukami (MC) is as he appears in Persona 4. He has the persona Izanagi available, with all default skills from P4 learned in addition to all the moves from Persona 4 Arena, with the exception of his mortal blow or gameplay mechanics (invincibility frames, etc). He also can freely switch to his persona Norn, who only has their natural non-passive skills and elemental affinities.

Liquid Snake is as seen during the Hind D boss fight in Metal Gear Solid. He will pilot the helicopter in from the nearest convenient location on his team's side. He may not leave the Hind and if it goes down, it can be assumed Liquid has gone down with it.

Rikku is as she appears in Final Fantasy X, equipped with Godhand and a Tercio without SOS Reflect. She has access to her own sphere grid. She has brought 5 each of Healing Spring, Al Bhed Potion, Chocobo Feather, Star Curtain and Bomb Core to battle and can use any combination of them with Use or her Mix Overdrive, provided sufficient Overdrive has been built. She is piloting Samus Aran's gunship, as seen in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

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KanzarisKelshen
05/12/17 10:17:39 PM
#3:


@Lopen
@Tirofog

Your match is up!
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KanzarisKelshen
05/12/17 10:25:02 PM
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Lopen's argument:

This fight is kind of a runaway for Kirby's team.

Liquid's HIND-D!?! and Samus's Gunship piloted by Rikku can both instantly crack this match open. There's no cover, and it's wide open space at 150m, and they both have weapons with long effective ranges to immediately open fire on the enemy team with. The gunship in particular might literally be unkillable with the enemy team's armament. It has strong shields (keeping in mind it tanks metroid level tech-- Lilith doesn't have the firepower) and self repair features. It has a front mounted power cannon and a rear mounted plasma cannon-- same kinda stuff Samus uses but bigger I'd imagine since it's ship mounted. Also a missile launcher which fires volleys of 11 missiles at a time. Rikku's prodigious skill with machina and that the match write-up says she is piloting the thing coming in should be enough evidence that she'll be fine piloting it.

On top of that, Kirby's team is just straight up stronger and better suited to cloud combat. Everyone can fly but Yu, and Yu has a couple of great moves for this terrain. Magarudyne deals Heavy Wind Damage to all foes-- wind damage seems perfect for knocking people off balance or straight off the clouds, or just outright dispersing clouds and sending people falling to their doom. He also has Debilitate if anyone decides to be a dodge monkey, a debuff which reduces Evasion and Hit Rate for a while (as well as attack and defense). Kirby with Lilith's power probably has a variant of her Penetrator or Lyuda sniper rifle to contribute-- and he'll be under less pressure than her so he's more likely to get a chance. FurtherKirby's powers could be considered a buff-- so maybe he's better at being Lilith than Lilith!? Now BASS probably wants to get in a bit closer to do his stuff optimally but his flight and rapid fire volleys should work well here if needed. Also Yuffie who is thinking like Knux is going to be all but worthless-- he probably tries to glide between clouds, so this is basically a 5v3.

And my personal favorite element that will contribute... that damn motorcycle Lilith has decided to ride in on.
It screws her team in two ways:

1. She has to get off the motorcycle to start the fight, wasting valuable time, because Lilith isn't going to shoot guns and drive a motorcycle at the same time (and the motorcycle is pretty bad here anyway-- driving it without mad cred would be certain death)
2. While idling it provides a nice warm hunk of metal for Liquid to lock onto with his missile payload, blowing the enemy team sky high right out of the gate.
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Lopen
05/12/17 10:29:53 PM
#5:


I vouch for Lopen's viewpoint of the match
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Tirofog
05/12/17 10:39:06 PM
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It’s easy to look at this match and say “gunship = instant win”, but I think it’s a lot closer than the writeup would imply.

First, let’s take the pilot into consideration – this isn’t Samus piloting her own ship, this is Rikku. How long she has had to adjust to the ship’s controls is open to interpretation, but she’s certainly not going to be an expert pilot by any means, especially without Samus there to help her. I give her enough credit to not horribly crash and die, at least, but hitting speedy moving targets may prove difficult and friendly fire from the rocket splash damage is a real possibility if she’s careless.

The main threat on my team is Lilith, and she’s a threat that I’m not convinced that the enemy team can deal with. Keep in mind that all buffs on her are doubled and Yuffie is here with a full compliment of spells, so the enemy team will have to handle a double Hasted/Barrier/etc. Siren that can stealth every few seconds at will. She also has Corrosive ammo on most of her weapons, which deals additional damage to vehicles – this directly affects the two biggest threats on the enemy team (Rikku and Liquid). Finally, Lilith is a Controller, which means her bullets have a chance to Daze enemies, reducing their movement speed and accuracy – this could make navigating the clouds difficult for the rest of the enemy team that’s stuck on foot.

She’s backed up by Cloud Strife, who’s more than a capable fighter on his own. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen Advent Children, but Cloud has an extended aerial fight scene there, so he’s certainly no stranger to fighting in the air and maneuvering around. If Lilith can sufficiently distract the enemy team and he can close the gap between the two teams, he can inflict some serious damage, especially if he is able to Omnislash.

Terra is also here with Ultima, and is capable of nuking the enemy team if left unchecked. Finally, REYuffie is here to deliver buffs and be a generally competent mage (I give her more credit than Kirby, at least!).

The enemy team is capable, but individually doesn’t have anyone capable of taking down Lilith or Cloud if the gunship is taken down. This match is more than winnable for my team.
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Johnbobb
05/12/17 10:41:28 PM
#7:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Her mind has been swapped with the mind of Knuckles the Echidna, who has all the experience and memories of starring in Resident Evil 4.

This is my favorite sentence
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DeathChicken
05/12/17 10:45:27 PM
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Clearly pimpmaster You Narrator somehow walks out with Yuffie, Lilith and Terra on his arm to the exclusion of any other logic
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Kamekguy
05/12/17 10:51:26 PM
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So uh.

Kracko can destroy Bubbly Clouds by passing through it really fast.

Can't Liquid just poof away everyone's footing while also shooting homing missiles?
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-FFDragon-
05/12/17 10:53:14 PM
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“gunship = instant win”
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Lopen
05/12/17 10:53:59 PM
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Now come on Knuckles with all the experience from starring in Resident Evil 4 has no idea how to use these fancy materia things.
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X_Dante_X
05/12/17 10:56:05 PM
#12:


can rikku use a chocobo wing to quickly read the manual
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KanzarisKelshen
05/12/17 10:56:52 PM
#13:


Gunship mashes.

Like yeah uhh

Samus herself is a strong 6/week

Her ship > her on foot

This one isn't very difficult. Add on that there's more people who are also better backup and there ain't much to say here.
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Mega Mana
05/12/17 11:00:43 PM
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I was going to say Lilith solos... until I saw the terrain, HIND-D, Samus ship, and Bass.exe (again? already?), and KirLilith on home terrain.

Lilith on Cloud's motorcycle is too ****ing badass though.
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-FFDragon-
05/12/17 11:01:31 PM
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Two separate games, two different bass owners
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HeroicGammaRay
05/13/17 12:54:02 AM
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bass.exe
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NFUN
05/13/17 1:01:27 AM
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Gunship = insta win

It's Rikku. Her ethnicity is primarily defined by an eagerness to work with machines. She's not gonna have much of an issue with it.
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Triofrog
05/13/17 1:56:19 AM
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Lopen posted...
Now come on Knuckles with all the experience from starring in Resident Evil 4 has no idea how to use these fancy materia things.


Knuckles' whole schtick is dealing with shiny gemstones, I'm sure he'll be fine!
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Skyridge87
05/13/17 1:58:11 AM
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Triofrog posted...
Lopen posted...
Now come on Knuckles with all the experience from starring in Resident Evil 4 has no idea how to use these fancy materia things.


Knuckles' whole schtick is dealing with shiny gemstones, I'm sure he'll be fine!

This makes way more sense than it should
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Drakeryn
05/13/17 1:59:23 AM
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A HIND-D?! A gunship?!?

give knuckles a couple minutes and I'm sure he'd figure it out (the whole point of materia is that anyone can cast, after all). but he doesn't have that time

also, because I've been re-reading volleybawl logs, I feel the need to explicitly acknowledge that the teams are in a match with each other, and I think the team with the gunship wins the match by beating the other team in this match that they are both involved in
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KanzarisKelshen
05/13/17 2:07:45 AM
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Drakeryn posted...
A HIND-D?! A gunship?!?

give knuckles a couple minutes and I'm sure he'd figure it out (the whole point of materia is that anyone can cast, after all). but he doesn't have that time

also, because I've been re-reading volleybawl logs, I feel the need to explicitly acknowledge that the teams are in a match with each other, and I think the team with the gunship wins the match by beating the other team in this match that they are both involved in


share imo, I wanna see those logs
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Eddv
05/13/17 2:08:06 AM
#22:


Lopen posted...
I vouch for Lopen's viewpoint of the match


No way!

Hind D and Gunship
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greengravy294
05/13/17 2:09:46 AM
#23:


What are you going to do? Take on a Hind with your bare hands? Now you're mine!


debatable if its just some random nerd piloting samus' ship, but rikku is kind of a super tech savvy person so i imagine she'd take to it really quickly.

also liquid exists.
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JeezyMiyagi
05/13/17 10:34:48 AM
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Liquid + Rikku

strong terrain for them
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05/13/17 10:44:26 AM
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DoomTheGyarados
05/13/17 1:31:50 PM
#26:


Team Ship
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Skyridge87
05/13/17 1:35:07 PM
#27:


Is Rikku ever going to be satisfied fighting on foot again now that she's tasted the Gunship?
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FFDragon
05/13/17 1:36:09 PM
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she's still slumming it tbqh

she got used to the arwing
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Lopen
05/13/17 1:56:46 PM
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Well it all depends on whether Rikku prefers maneuverability or toys.

I mean the Arwing does not have half the weapons the gunship has, nor does it have a giant grappling gun on it

I think both ships could be appreciated
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eaedwards6400
05/13/17 3:32:21 PM
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So to me this battle takes place in the sky. Meaning that advantage was already with Team Ship. Not to mention there really isn't a away for anyone to hit Rikku let alone avoid the other members from the team. This kind of feels like a wash unfortunately. I'm going with Kirby, Liquid, Yu, Bass, and Rikku
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