Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Damus/Agents/ Lghtning/Grig/Ansm v Neph/Ridley/Zratul/O &S/Selvaria

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Lightning, Dark Samus, The Agents, Grigori, Ansem and Kyo Kusanagi have challenged The Nephalem, Ridley, Zeratul, Dragonslayer Ornstein & Executioner Smough and Selvaria Bles to a fight! Location of the fight: Phendrana - The snowy drifts of northern Tallon IV. Only the exterior is accessible, with the Space Pirate research facility out of bounds. No enemies are present. Attackers will start at the Chapel of the Elders, with defenders starting by the Ruined Courtyard.. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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-This match will end in 24 hours.
-The following conventions are in use for match topics: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/570224-mercs/75290480/878106427

Lightning is as she appears in the endgame of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, with a schemata set-up featuring a balance of her strongest physical, magical and debuffing skills and equipment, and with limited use of Curaga.

Dark Samus is as she appears in her boss fight in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, although she cannot turn invincible, turn incorporeal or heal off of phazon.

The Agents are how they appear in Crackdown 2, with maxed out stats. They have all of their weapons from Crackdown 2. There are two agents acting together as a team, and one of them is riding an Agency SUV, complete with upgraded ability. A Freak Breach will occur at a neutral point in the terrain (The Agents are aware of where the breach is occurring). The agents will prioritize clearing the freak breach, but not at the cost of their own safety.

Grigori is as he appears in Dragon's Dogma, with access to all his moves except possession. A fighter does not have to be an Arisen to deal the final blow to him.

Ansem, Seeker of the Darkness is as he appears in his first two phases of the final boss fight in Kingdom Hearts. He may freely summon Xehanort's Guardian and use all of his attacks from both KH1 and Chain of Memories. Riku will not influence him and he may not summon Darkside or any other heartless.

Kusanagi Kyo is as seen in the King of Fighters: Online, at max level with a kusanagi sword, assassin's bloody blade, ranger's crossbow, dancer's blade, scimitar, and killer boots, though he hasn't purchased any pills.
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~VS~

Ridley is as he appears in Metroid Prime i.e. Meta Ridley, although he's merely resistant to conventional forms of damage rather than impervious.

The Demon Hunter is as she appears in Diablo 3: Reaper of Souls, wielding dual Helltrapper crossbows. She has the passives Steady Aim, Perfectionist, and Single Out, and the skills Entangling Shot, Chakram, Smokescreen, Vault, Fan of Knives and Multishot.

Zeratul is as he appears in the Starcraft series, and Heroes of the Storm, with all of his skills other than Void Prison. During combat, his cloaking works as it does in HotS, invisible until either he attacks or is damaged, at which point it takes a few seconds of non-action to reactivate.

Ornstein and Smough are as seen in their boss fight in Dark Souls. One will not power up when the other falls in battle.

Selvaria is as seen in Valkyria Chronicles, with access to her Valkyrur lance and shield as well as her Rhum machine gun. She cannot use her Valkyrur Flame self destruct power.

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It's a dragon vs dragon, Metroid vs Metroid tussle! Who'll come out on top of this struggle? FIGHT!
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@MajinZidane
@redrocket_pub

Your match is up! Go ahead and post your arguments if you have any.
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I feel like team two at first glance has very little synergy. Make me a believer.
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I have negative respect for both Neph and O&S. Make me a believer.
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Haha.

I have no time right now, I'll try to throw something out later.

I'm not sure why Boko's team has inherently better synergy in combat btw (clearly they have amazing ability synergy ofc).
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Not redrocket, but Neph is an amazing 'gunner'. Look at this vid for example, paying close attention when she attacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ902W4nWS8

That's an absolute TON of arrows per volley. And each of those is laced with some amount of magical power, considering they're capable of killing house-sized opponents, including ones as heavily armored as Diablo (who in a Heroes of the Storm cutscene completely no-sells bullets from Starcraft guns, if you want to buy that feat). She's not to be taken lightly because she'll drown teams in weapons fire. This particular version has Vault to really ping-pong around the map, Smokescreen which turns her invisible, and Multishot to fire off those massive arrow hails you see there. The Demon Hunter is super legit, both visually and in terms of plot hype, killing what's basically death incarnate.
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Why should arrows be feared when Samus for example is wearing a futuristic armored suit?
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heroes of the storm is like smash in that I don't take it seriously as a representation of power levels

skills yes, power levels no
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Corrik posted...

Why should arrows be feared when Samus for example is wearing a futuristic armored suit?

Because they're magically enchanted? Evidence of this is the fact the Nephalem can eventually turn into a demon packing magic guns and rockets (you see that in the vid I posted too, around 0:35ish), the existence of skills like Elemental Arrow, and so on and so forth. It's not just arrows, it's arrows imbued with powerful demonic and angelic essence.
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FFDragon posted...

heroes of the storm is like smash in that I don't take it seriously as a representation of power levels

skills yes, power levels no

Not the game itself, I meant the cutscene they produced to hype it

I totally agree with not taking the game mechanics seriously because the fact they have to balance the Lost Vikings and Kerrigan dictates you shouldn't, but a cutscene's always at least worth considering and nothing shown within is grossly out of place with what you'd expect out of the characters.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

but a cutscene's always at least worth considering

like when captain falcon 2v1ed chrom and lucina?

I take no universe masher game seriously.
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The Nephalem

It's a bit more complicated than that all told but the Demon Hunter has the backup here to cut down the other team. I just don't see anyone on the opposing side who is going to be able to pin her down to kill her. She is a kiting, long range magical infused machine of death. She even has a few giant distractions to do her work unabated! Hell, her and Zeratul can be assassination friends.

Other team has the raw power advantage but when I ask myself 'okay whose killing the demon hunter 1 on 1 here' the answer is a big 'no one' and so I think what happens is team 1 gains an advantage until the DH starts dotting arrows into them, and the shit the Neph can take down in canon is FAR tankier than anything here.
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Well I don't really have time, either, but I'll post a few thoughts.

- I don't think the teams start off on top of each other, Lightning is gonna have time to buff as she pleases.
- She also has tons of debuffs and curaga
- I think that Nephalem supporting cast is a lot weaker than Lightnings; we're talking Damus and Agents vs Selv and Zeratul. Like Zer and Selv are fine, but I might take Damus or Agents over both of them alone tbh
-- In terms "giant distractions" in Ridley, Lightning and co. have a similar thing in Grigori. I'd say that's a wash at worst!
- Agents has like SMG style homimg rockets, so that's cool, and a neat clown car


Okay I'll be back later
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Couldn't speak up earlier cuz I had to leave but as a followup on the 'not just arrows' hype - the crossbows Neph is using here, Helltrappers, deal like 700% times their weapon damage in various elemental augments. So yeah, zero reason to think of Neph's ordnance as just normal bolts.

(That said, leaning Team Damus. Phazon is RIDICULOUS and Lightning is brutal too. They're strong counters to the Neph and if she's gone her team easily loses)
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yeah phazon is what I was thinking would wreck shop here
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Isn't Ridley immune to Phazon or is that a different Ridley
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Man, phazon is Schrodinger's Weapon in Mercs. It's both well respected and poorly respected until it's observed in any given match.
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Lopen posted...

Isn't Ridley immune to Phazon or is that a different Ridley

Not immune, no. Weak IIRC since it's MP1 Ridley. If it was MP3 Ridley it'd be a different story
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Lopen posted...

Isn't Ridley immune to Phazon or is that a different Ridley

Not immune, no. Weak IIRC since it's MP1 Ridley. If it was MP3 Ridley it'd be a different story

Im not sure thats accurate given that I owned Ridley and his phazon use sure does assume he's immune.
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Full disclosure I have to look at MP1 stuff to say for sure

The way it works though is that Phazon hurts Phazon, it just hurts everything else A HELL OF A LOT MORE. So phazon hurts damus but flatly eradicates human beings for ex
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And looking at the match state this is actually pretty critical to who i think wins!

If Ridley can neutralize Damus this wholr thing swings wide open
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I believe that Ridley is in his Meta form at the start of Metroid Prime 3 and then somehow fuses and/or absorbs the phazon? But I don't know if that's him doing that on his own or WACKY SPACE PIRATE SCIENCE.
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trdl23 posted...

Man, phazon is Schrodinger's Weapon in Mercs. It's both well respected and poorly respected until it's observed in any given match.

Flashback Friday to every time we had to argue about which TYPE of phazon was present.
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Ridley 100% gets moshed by Damus no question

Damus takes Hypermode Samus like 15 minutes of sustained phazon beam fire to kill. She's much tankier than him and more damaging too. Grigs vs Ridley is fun and close. Damus vs this Ridley isn't.
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I feel like Ridley and Grigori will probably duke it out with each other before anybody else
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Dark Samus
Honestly Grigori swings this match for me. With Lightning, Ansem and Grigori on the frontline with a midline of duo-agents and Damus I can't see the opponents winning.

Grigori
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Dark Samus rides on top the SUV
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Corrik posted...

Why should arrows be feared when Samus for example is wearing a futuristic armored suit?

demon hunter's arrows are legit. he can take down diablo, who is a certified tank's tank.

having said that, I think I like damus' backup better. tough match to call offhand.
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Waiting on redrocket to make his argument before voting, but yeah I feel like damus has an advantage here. Lightning is way scary and nobody can check her here. Need to see how she doesn't run ball all over this match.
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what is a freak breach

how do you clear one
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HeroicGammaRay posted...

what is a freak breach

how do you clear one
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Save_us. @Dantezoid @X_Dante_X
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(also hi HGR)
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HeroicGammaRay posted...

what is a freak breach

how do you clear one
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I feel like this is something we really need to address.
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Lightning

All else aside I dont think there is enough on Team Ridley even if Ridley can neutralize Damus, as I believes he is able to.
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Goons come out of a hole

You kill them as they come out

After you kill like 25 the hole closes and the breach is cleared
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It basically just delays them from joining the fight for a couple minutes (unless the fight is brought to them)
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well demon hunter is buff as hell but this is a bit much here

kurai yagare
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Damus/Lightning/Agents/Grigori

don't see a way for team Neph to overcome the power disadvantage, if they could isolate the agents and take them out separately during the freak breach that would help things but the exterior of the Drifts seem to give the agents plenty of room to hulk jump away if their shields are low
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