Board 8 > Chrono Cross Mafia Topic 5: To Fort Dragonia!!

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Sheep is Jailkeeper and his claim lines up perfectly with how he's felt on previous days. However, if VI is to be believed Corrik was a doctor. That equals too much saving power from a meta perspective IMHO. If that's the case, then one of Sheep/VI must be scum, because VI is the source of the other saving power through his claimed scan.
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Oh yah, forgot this part, if Sheep flips town, I don't see any scum kill. So who do I know was roleblocked? Well, VI of course. If he's scum he's the perfect candidate for delivering the kill because most people read him town. So yah, that would be where the save comes from, still don't know how the pj kill happened.
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What do you say, IGCD? Do you wanna try lynching VI with me?
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lol Oddity
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Sorry, bro. Nothing personal.
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Lynching the only active player over lynching a super inactive jailkeeper

Seems pretty good!
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Yah, pretty much why I was on Sheep earlier. Frankly, I'm good with either of you being lynched. Sheep is more indefensible, but I still think he's town.
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Or claimed jailkeeper, rather

Because he is obviously scum roleblocker given anyone without brain damage can recognize that roleblocking claimed watcher Night One is a scum play.

So nobody in this game but me
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So VI you claim to be a flavour cop, correct?
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Thief actually

Which is basically what it is and given only scanners town has from what I see are me and Oddity (Scare doesn't count) I think that adds up more
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Yes... he did roleblock me... however, you'll notice he thought he was saving me. I'm not sure which of you is the scum, but my gut says it's more likely you. Is sheep good at reading the town's attitude from your experience? Because, that's the thing that makes him look the worst. I felt it was pretty much guaranteed that I would live through the night. And that's a bad misread by sheep.
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It just seems like such a misplay it's amazing

Like, scum can just roleblock claimed watcher and kill whoever as they get doctor priority. Doesn't make sense.

Does nobody else see his actions from a scum perspective at all
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VeryInsane posted...

Thief actually

Which is basically what it is and given only scanners town has from what I see are me and Oddity (Scare doesn't count) I think that adds up more

Fuck I originally wrote "flavour cop/theif/whatever," but changed it because I thought it was excessive, lol.

Anyway, and your targets have been who, again?
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I do, however his claim perfectly fits with his earlier attitudes. I mean, if he fakeclaimed that, he was either extremely lucky in his earlier 'reads' or he is a very very good scum player.
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Well, good at least as far as his claim goes. That's one of the reasons I believe him more than you. His inactivity is a horrible scum tactic and so he would have to be really lucky with his earlier 'reads' as opposed to a very good scum player.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Thief actually

Which is basically what it is and given only scanners town has from what I see are me and Oddity (Scare doesn't count) I think that adds up more

Fuck I originally wrote "flavour cop/theif/whatever," but changed it because I thought it was excessive, lol.

Anyway, and your targets have been who, again?

N0 Ulti
N1 Corrik

Two polarizing players who boast loudly and have the tendency to get mislynched.

Next.
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Oddity posted...

I do, however his claim perfectly fits with his earlier attitudes. I mean, if he fakeclaimed that, he was either extremely lucky in his earlier 'reads' or he is a very very good scum player.

Does it really?

Does targeting you really, really, REALLY, fit his earlier attitude?

And targeting me is basically "Oh, I think VI is town"
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There is absolutely no reason to target Oddity. None.

None.

None.
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VeryInsane posted...

It just seems like such a misplay it's amazing

Like, scum can just roleblock claimed watcher and kill whoever as they get doctor priority. Doesn't make sense.

Does nobody else see his actions from a scum perspective at all

My thoughts on it are this, if he keeps changing it up all the time it actually gives the scanner a chance to get a scan off every once and a while. I small chance is still better than no chance.

Like if mafia keeps attacking the protected person while he was unknown then it still gives town a better chance to win even without those scans as night kills would be reduced.

Who was pj even interacting with? How does he connect with Sheep?
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I'm currently diving through old topics to find what I'm sure was a 'town' read of me early from sheep.
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BTW, IGCD saying he will give himself up basically links the two

If this is 3+1+1, Sheep + IGCD are probably the last two
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VeryInsane posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Thief actually

Which is basically what it is and given only scanners town has from what I see are me and Oddity (Scare doesn't count) I think that adds up more

Fuck I originally wrote "flavour cop/theif/whatever," but changed it because I thought it was excessive, lol.

Anyway, and your targets have been who, again?

N0 Ulti
N1 Corrik

Two polarizing players who boast loudly and have the tendency to get mislynched.

Next.

What were your feelings towards Ulti day 1? I feel like you had "lynch'em" attitude, am I remembering that wrong?
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VeryInsane posted...

BTW, IGCD saying he will give himself up basically links the two

If this is 3+1+1, Sheep + IGCD are probably the last two

If I flipped town who would Sheep's partner be?
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Hm, Nana maybe?

Idling Ulti who got incredibly lucky with my scan?
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VeryInsane posted...

Idling Ulti who got incredibly lucky with my scan?

What?
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I got a bellflower from Ulti.

That's an item for Riddel but it could also be Dario (I forget who stated that earlier I think it was Red)

and truth is Ulti has just done nothing useful all game so it makes sense that if people still suspect him they naturally have to suspect me too
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Then again I suppose Ulti not doing anything useful is a null tell at this point

Man he went downhill fast it's kinda depressing
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At end of day 1 when it was very unpopular to defend me here is sheep:

Sheep007 posted...

For you, it's because you're the most active player. I think I've played with you before (I definitely recognize the username) and I don't remember you being terribly active, so the amount you're adding here is pretty positive. Nana is playing exactly like Town Nana, and Scum Nana isn't even comparable. Oddity is questioning things and isn't just going along with everyone else's opinions. Scum could easily just repeat views about the millers which have been said countless times already. At least there's some seemingly original thought going on.

Sheep007 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Was liking Terra until he got defensive against VI, as if VI was THE TOWN PLAYER MAYOR MCCHEESE and was worried everyone will follow him. Still like him better than some others.

T2P202 from Shadow is blah. Either lazy town or scum trying to look active. Some half assed "leaning town" without really saying anyone looks scummy.

Says "likes the Corrik lynch the best of the options" but doesn't say why. I think the lynch options most commonly being thrown around are Corrik, MZero, PJ, Ulti, and Oddity, and he calls town on Ulti and MZero, clueless on Ofdity and PJ, and no other comparison. It's a post to post. If you don't have thoughts on players (like Red, sheep, pj), why even include them in the post at all?

Makes me feel better about an Oddity lynch.

I disagree about post 202 because, although I'd rather have more detailed analysis on fewer players, it's nice to know what one player is thinking about everyone. Can help show contradictions later on too. Also, wouldn't it be better for Scum to attempt to target those who aren't their teammates, rather than feign indifference to them all? Now, about this post. That last sentence really rubs me the wrong way... Why specifically Oddity? It seems like you're trying to reinforce a point which is almost completely unaffected by the post in question.

Then his end of day vote is this:

Sheep007 posted...

PJ has still barely contributed... I wish I could stick around longer but I really should sleep. Bloody timezones. This vote feels far too safe to me, but I guess there's worse things than a safe vote. If he isn't going to help us there's no sense in keeping him alive over anyone else.

##Vote: PJ

I'm off for the night now so won't be able to reply to any messages for the rest of the day.

Now obviously, this doesn't prove him town, scum buses. But his claimed actions perfectly line up with his early attitude.
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To be clear, your actions line up, too. However, I felt the timing of your claim was really bad because as scum, you can just ride my continued gambit to 2 town lynches. This is why I feel worse about you, VI.
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You make a good point about Ulti, he's the type who would totally claim his flavor and add miller to it. Still, feel the worst about you.
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pj made an absurd deal about that vote yet never pursued him. Seems like distancing.
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Oddity posted...

To be clear, your actions line up, too. However, I felt the timing of your claim was really bad because as scum, you can just ride my continued gambit to 2 town lynches. This is why I feel worse about you, VI.

What are you even saying here
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Like I claimed my scan on Ulti immediately after you backed away (and hinted at it earlier)

I... don't get what you are trying to say there
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Basically, I'm trying to be fair to you. If you're confused about the claim thing, here is the basic argument: You claim ulti as town and I continue to gambit (you have no way of knowing I'll simply drop my gambit because I'm super indecisive). So you claim a night zero flavor capture of Ulti as his character (in this scenario, Ulti is town). If I continue with my gambit we eventually lynch ulti, and who claimed ulti was who he said he was all along? You, then I get lynched. That's why the timing of your claim looks scummy to me. Now, that's not all necessarily true. I can totally see town VI doing the same thing, but it seems like a good scum move to me and you're a good player.
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Admittedly, I'm guilty of having paranoid conspiracy theory here, but it is what I believe to be true.
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Well, most likely true. Like I said, I can see both sides.
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But scum already knows you are lying because they roleblock you, maybe. (I was also arguing a scrambler role because I was considering you both as town heavily and it seems like a good role to combat a ludicrously powerful town)

Unless you are arguing there is no scum roleblocker and Sheep is the only player who roleblocked you
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I argue that jack had a roleblock, and he roleblocked me. Sheep did, too. Though I will admit that this one is a bit of a stretch. The roleblock does look bad for Sheep. Like I said that's the weakest part of the argument. If he has good reads of town attitudes then he shouldn't have jailed me.
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Also... if scum knows I'm lying... I'm trying to see how this implicates Sheep. Help me out here?
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Oddity posted...

I argue that jack had a roleblock, and he roleblocked me. Sheep did, too. Though I will admit that this one is a bit of a stretch. The roleblock does look bad for Sheep. Like I said that's the weakest part of the argument. If he has good reads of town attitudes then he shouldn't have jailed me.

How many scum do you think are left?
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Oddity posted...

Also... if scum knows I'm lying... I'm trying to see how this implicates Sheep. Help me out here?

It doesn't, admittedly

(Because he didn't post at the time of your gambit)
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2. We had pj, scare and scep. We had a bunch of weird miller roles and wonky scanner shenanigans to make it easy for town to self destruct and this justifies the undermanned scum team. Unfortunately, town did not do that making it super onesided against scum.
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So a 3 man scum team

Would a full time scum team not have a permanent roleblocker?
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Because I believe there are only 2 left, I'm comfortable lynching one of you/sheep, because we turn a scum either way in my opinion.
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Hmm.... you make a good point.
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They had strongman/janitor, jack and....godfather?

I have to think about this... maybe scum team is 3 people strong and are denied a roleblocker. Hmm...

##Unvote
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Like I suppose you can argue I am scum roleblocker and Sheep jailkept me but...

Where does the night kill happen?

My thought process is I was roleblocked by scum roleblocker (Sheep in this case) and they shot you and it was tampered, somehow.
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I would assume one of the jack powers is the janitor, btw.

That seems to be a standard one
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I'm going to bed, also, what I meant to say was that maybe scum team still has 3 people left. Seems ludicrously antitown but without a roleblocker... thoughts?

Gotta think about this. Will definitely vote before deadline tomorrow.
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As for the nightkill, we have a vigi gambiting imho.
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