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Emeraldegg
05/16/17 1:14:15 PM
#151:


neonreaper posted...
SupremeZero posted...
Unknown_voter posted...
it sounds like he has professional help

He does.

Unfortunately, as near as anyone can determine, he's completely ignoring the "mental help" part of the help.


It doesn't sound like he is ignoring it, but it isn't being adequately addressed. I don't know if he has the capacity to understand what is really wrong and how to really get help. All I know here is that he was engaged in an online relationship that resulted in him wanting to kill a lot of you and torture animals in front of others.

That's not to blame victims, but, if you feel like you can be mean to a guy with a lot of problems (understandable feeling) then that's something to overcome. I mean, you shouldn't feel like you need to be a shepherd for someone else every time you want to hang out online with your friends, I get that. I get that he was a frustrating person. But now that we know where this leads, how does it get fixed?

Maybe it's as simple as he needs to go fuck himself, call the cops and ignore him/move on. I see these topics and worry that the situation is accelerating in the same direction that caused the threatening post. And I posted smug little comments along the way, make no mistake.

I mean, there's nothing else we can do. I get you're concerned, but it's out of our hands. It's not like the people who tried to help him didn't want to help him. It was out of genuine concern. Aside from that, if he won't accept that, there's nothing else to be done.

Also, I don't think the threat to "all of us" in addition to digi was done out of malice to us. More like, "I know how much this would hurt you digi, if I killed all your friends too."
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MoogleKupo141
05/16/17 1:18:41 PM
#152:


SmartMuffin posted...
a bunch of you losers threatened to beat me up for my single moms topic lulz


come fight me irl bitch

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RPGlord95
05/16/17 1:43:36 PM
#153:


If you want real drama

Steiners' real life friend tried to take advantage of me
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scarletspeed7
05/16/17 1:45:10 PM
#154:


Steiner has a real life?
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RPGlord95
05/16/17 1:47:24 PM
#155:


Yes and it wanted to have its way with me
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SupremeZero
05/16/17 1:48:08 PM
#156:


neonreaper posted...
SupremeZero posted...
Unknown_voter posted...
it sounds like he has professional help

He does.

Unfortunately, as near as anyone can determine, he's completely ignoring the "mental help" part of the help.


It doesn't sound like he is ignoring it, but it isn't being adequately addressed. I don't know if he has the capacity to understand what is really wrong and how to really get help. All I know here is that he was engaged in an online relationship that resulted in him wanting to kill a lot of you and torture animals in front of others.

That's not to blame victims, but, if you feel like you can be mean to a guy with a lot of problems (understandable feeling) then that's something to overcome. I mean, you shouldn't feel like you need to be a shepherd for someone else every time you want to hang out online with your friends, I get that. I get that he was a frustrating person. But now that we know where this leads, how does it get fixed?

Maybe it's as simple as he needs to go fuck himself, call the cops and ignore him/move on. I see these topics and worry that the situation is accelerating in the same direction that caused the threatening post. And I posted smug little comments along the way, make no mistake.

He's in assisted living and was, until very recently, officially mentally incompetent. He has help. The system is offering him professional help. This isn't in question. It's absolutely there. The missing component is therefore left to be him accepting help. Help from us, help from the professionals, hell, help from the people who literally supervise his day to day life.
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Lopen
05/16/17 1:57:56 PM
#157:


Some people frankly don't want to be helped. There's a state that seems to exist in some mentally ill people where they sorta revel in all the free passes society gives them and are content to not try to improve anything. I feel really bad for the people who have to live nearby him. They must be miserable.

In any case, if the professionals can't help him, you as some random person on a website, probably can't either.
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Gatarix
05/16/17 2:02:40 PM
#158:


Lopen posted...
In any case, if the professionals can't help him, you as some random person on a website, probably can't either.

I feel like this is probably the other way around? like, if he isn't going to listen to his friends, then he sure isn't going to listen to some random dude on a couch. (actually I guess he's the one on the couch - but my point stands)

agreed with the rest though
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Lopen
05/16/17 2:08:56 PM
#159:


I think that line of thinking applies to a mentally stable person moreso than a nut. With crazies being a friend isn't necessarily even an advantage because how you say something is probably more important than what's actually said most of the time-- which is where the professionals come in. You as a "friend" (probably a stretch for most Discorders given what's been said in here) could very easily make the situation worse no matter how well meaning you are.
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STElNER
05/16/17 2:11:59 PM
#160:


Lopen posted...
You as a "friend" (probably a stretch for most Discorders


we tried for a really long time
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STElNER
05/16/17 2:12:57 PM
#161:


and i'd say active attempts to help are probably overstating what happened - he would come to us asking if he should make a shitty decision and we would say no and then he would say "i did the thing guys :-("
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foolm0r0n
05/16/17 2:13:44 PM
#162:


I just ignored him
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Hardcore_Adult
05/16/17 2:14:51 PM
#163:


Terastodon posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
Did you guys ever try reverse psychology on him? Give him bad advice in the hopes he'd do the opposite and make an actual good decision for himself.

Yes. He still spent all his welfare money on games he never played and then complained that he had no money for food.


This is pretty much like Chris-Chan. Gets disability, spunks it on useless/worthless shit, then cries he's broke.
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STElNER
05/16/17 2:14:59 PM
#164:


looking back, we should have just held to the rule about banning him if he pinged foolmo again
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Emeraldegg
05/16/17 2:20:44 PM
#165:


STElNER posted...
and i'd say active attempts to help are probably overstating what happened - he would come to us asking if he should make a shitty decision and we would say no and then he would say "i did the thing guys :-("

That cursed emoji
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Arti
05/16/17 2:22:31 PM
#166:


:-(

no
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swirIdude
05/16/17 2:24:42 PM
#167:


Emeraldegg posted...
STElNER posted...
and i'd say active attempts to help are probably overstating what happened - he would come to us asking if he should make a shitty decision and we would say no and then he would say "i did the thing guys :-("

That cursed emoji


I have to be careful how often I use <_< now.
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Tom Bombadil
05/16/17 2:28:44 PM
#168:


STElNER posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
I must have missed the mmx/stevie thing o_O

what is going on these days man


this was 2 years ago


I've been here about fifty years so that still counts as "these days"
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MoogleKupo141
05/16/17 2:35:16 PM
#169:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
SmartMuffin posted...
a bunch of you losers threatened to beat me up for my single moms topic lulz


come fight me irl bitch

Union Station in Chicago, one hour. I'll be outside the Cajun Grill.


surprise surprise, smartmuffin didn't show up. Coward.
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wg64Z
05/16/17 2:35:23 PM
#170:


Whoa. I had no idea he was this bonkers. Have you contacted his handlers?
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whoa
05/16/17 2:49:24 PM
#171:


wg64Z posted...
Whoa. I had no idea he was this bonkers. Have you contacted his handlers?


not yet
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Peridiam
05/16/17 4:15:26 PM
#172:


get on it whoa
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STElNER
05/16/17 4:39:07 PM
#174:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Even if you tried helping him for awhile, this topic is still extremely inappropriate and I imagine most of the people making fun of him would sing a different tune if this was made about someone on team blue.


megamanX is pretty blue and he's the other person we had a situation like this with so
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foolm0r0n
05/16/17 4:40:47 PM
#175:


Ulti is jealous JD got all the sympathy for his mental issues
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STElNER
05/16/17 4:40:48 PM
#176:


"i'm not partisan, i hate liberals too" ~ steiner, basically
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scarletspeed7
05/16/17 4:45:10 PM
#177:


"Fuck scarlet and Eddv." ~Steiner, basically
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STElNER
05/16/17 4:47:14 PM
#178:


and i stand by it
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Gatarix
05/16/17 4:58:34 PM
#179:


STElNER posted...
megamanX is pretty blue and he's the other person we had a situation like this with so

a while back, mmx was thinking of leaving the board due to his depression issues, and everyone in the topic was like we love you mmx!! you're a good guy!! good luck with life and come back soon!!

though, I don't know if that was before or after the stevie incident
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/16/17 5:00:18 PM
#180:


Reg posted...
Spoilers, he was 95% likely to be trying to cover his ass after realizing he said something completely indefensible.


Yeah he was. He was angry because people were questioning him on his anti-violence beliefs because he had said dumb stuff. He didn't like that, and he was mad because he assumed my politics topic would be rejected by the board and replaced. However, it was not. He said he was committing account suicide to be edgy when he realized he was in trouble, and he probably regretted what he said because digi and tabii were not even in the argument at any point prior to his rant and thus didn't deserve to be spoken of in that way.
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MrSmartGuy
05/16/17 5:02:46 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/16/17 5:03:06 PM
#182:


UltimaterializerX posted...
STElNER posted...
ulti you posted in my first topic about this but you posted some garbage about how the mods here are out of touch and it made no sense

Like I actually read the topics I post in.


This post provides an excellent combination of humor, truth and relateability.
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scarletspeed7
05/16/17 5:03:47 PM
#183:


I've learned that the board will accept anything as a Politics topic. Case in point, my Election Day topic.
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Bane_Of_Despair
05/16/17 5:04:03 PM
#184:


It was prob around the time and he was quite different between board 8 and discord. He showed it a bit in the steiner social topic before discord started but it was really being in discord that he let everything out with being depressed, which is fine mind you, but then when we would try to talk to him and help he would just keep stating how useless it was and turn everything single positive thing into a negative. Just regularly talk about when he would kill himself after his health insurance ran out or something, or about not getting a new job and whatever else. It gets to a point unfortunately.

And that's not including all the negative ways he talked about women in general.


^This is about mmx btw
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psaltery
05/16/17 5:06:26 PM
#185:


MMX also posted in the depression topic a bunch of times.


That's where the sick people congregate.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/16/17 5:06:37 PM
#186:


Hardcore_Adult posted...
Account suicides were a lot cleverer in 2002; A time when the Banned Users List existed and people wanted to be made famous and got themselves intentionally banned/axed/KOS.


I was devastated when they got rid of banned user list. That was among my favorite features of this site. I remember users like "CJayC likes men" and one that used both a censor bypass and a racial slur.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/16/17 5:06:44 PM
#187:


Gatarix posted...
a while back, mmx was thinking of leaving the board due to his depression issues, and everyone in the topic was like we love you mmx!! you're a good guy!! good luck with life and come back soon!!


yeah, and apparently people were trying to help JD on discord for months even though he was incredibly stubborn and refused all the help he got.

like, what point are you even making here? "we didn't treat MMX like shit 100% of the time because he's on team blue"? i genuinely don't get it.

for what it's worth, i personally treated MMX worse than i've ever treated JD when i made some joke in poor taste about the bad relationship he was in. back then i had no idea he had mental health issues and i feel pretty bad about it now.
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Mr Lasastryke
05/16/17 5:07:23 PM
#188:


psaltery posted...
That's where the sick people congregate.


fuck off.
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Gatarix
05/16/17 5:10:30 PM
#189:


I don't think there's really political bias at work - at least, I would be equally entertained regardless of JDTAY's political affiliation

but I also don't think the board's reaction to JDTAY and MMX was remotely similar, which I think Steiner was arguing?
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Shaduln
05/16/17 5:11:08 PM
#190:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
psaltery posted...
That's where the sick people congregate.


fuck off.

Why don't you have that guy on ignore?
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STElNER
05/16/17 5:14:39 PM
#191:


Gatarix posted...

but I also don't think the board's reaction to JDTAY and MMX was remotely similar, which I think Steiner was arguing?


sorry that's more a discord thing i was referring to
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STElNER
05/16/17 5:19:30 PM
#192:


and i'm more referring to that whole thing where it's perceived that discord "bullied" a person because we're the ones who saw the actual person a lot more and then when the crash comes to the board the rest of the board is like "oh huh they seemed so normal"
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scarletspeed7
05/16/17 5:21:26 PM
#193:


I think prof bullies people consistently, but I agree. Discord generally is helpful (although dripping with sarcasm at times), and the Board doesn't see a real-time breakdown and assumes that the only variable available to them to make an easy correlation is Discord.
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whoa
05/16/17 5:23:12 PM
#194:


I was Bullied on discord , called Shit at typing and "Bad" , I belive it was Due to Politics
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Shaduln
05/16/17 5:23:59 PM
#195:


whoa posted...
I was Bullied on discord , called Shit at typing and "Bad" , I belive it was Due to Politics

Can confirm, this happened and was Due to Politics.
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Hardcore_Adult
05/16/17 5:24:18 PM
#196:


Well, let's be thankful he didn't scale clock towers and start picking off people at random...
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Gatarix
05/16/17 5:31:58 PM
#197:


STElNER posted...
and i'm more referring to that whole thing where it's perceived that discord "bullied" a person because we're the ones who saw the actual person a lot more and then when the crash comes to the board the rest of the board is like "oh huh they seemed so normal"

oh okay, makes sense
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RPGlord95
05/16/17 5:32:04 PM
#198:


Discord bullies me constantly so i pee in all their drinks.
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Bane_Of_Despair
05/16/17 5:34:29 PM
#199:


nick more like dick
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HeroicGammaRay
05/16/17 5:35:27 PM
#200:


the politics topic was definitely mean to jd even before the post in question ('is he 15' etc.), mostly because his politics are absolutely ridiculous. bullying is kind of a strong word though and anyone who snaps like that is unfit to post on an internet forum

regardless of intentions your discord community doesn't seem able to deal with these individuals in a productive way, so yeah as steiner said you should probably just ban people like this sooner. i'm glad this crap doesn't happen on irc
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