Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 95: Trump Finally Reveals His Intelligence

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SmartMuffin
05/15/17 11:46:10 PM
#51:


HaRRicH posted...
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/15/democratic-congressman-makes-case-impeach-trump/

Got a new call for impeachment from a Texas Democrat.


the more they do this on trivial shit the more they make themselves look like petty partisan jerks who constantly cry wolf

so keep it coming
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LordoftheMorons
05/15/17 11:46:27 PM
#52:


There's also a difference between bad stuff we did decades ago and bad stuff that Russia is currently doing.
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Jakyl25
05/15/17 11:48:26 PM
#53:


SmartMuffin posted...
HaRRicH posted...
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/15/democratic-congressman-makes-case-impeach-trump/

Got a new call for impeachment from a Texas Democrat.


the more they do this on trivial shit the more they make themselves look like petty partisan jerks who constantly cry wolf

so keep it coming


Trivial shit like obstruction of justice?

This wasn't about the leak
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HaRRicH
05/15/17 11:48:28 PM
#54:


Remind me please what part you think is trivial shit.
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SmartMuffin
05/15/17 11:49:34 PM
#55:


Trivial shit like obstruction of justice?

The FBI director servers at the leisure of the President. He has the power to appoint and fire them. Even his biggest critics readily concede this.

The leak is also trivial If anything, sharing information that could stop terrorist attacks is a moral GOOD.
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SupremeZero
05/15/17 11:49:55 PM
#56:


Please remind me why you're bothering with Smuffin after the last topic.
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DeepsPraw
05/15/17 11:50:43 PM
#57:


LordoftheMorons posted...
There's also a difference between bad stuff we did decades ago and bad stuff that Russia is currently doing.


You're kidding yourself if you don't think the US still meddles in the affairs of other countries
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Jakyl25
05/15/17 11:50:58 PM
#58:


SmartMuffin posted...
The FBI director servers at the leisure of the President. He has the power to appoint and fire them. Even his biggest critics readily concede this.


That doesn't mean it's not obstruction of justice
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Unknown_voter
05/15/17 11:51:38 PM
#59:


I am not arguing that Russia should be getting a free pass like Saudi Arabia or Israel, just that we should be working together in Syria against ISIS. Otherwise, we cause too many unnecessary casualties from not sharing our information or strategies. (also, because of our intel communities obsession with overthrowing assad and russias desire to support him- we are literally funding groups like al queda to fight against assads forces, when we should be working to defeat ISIS and Al Queda, our immediate enemies, before worrying about Assad.)
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Jakyl25
05/15/17 11:53:30 PM
#60:


Hey Trump said he's gonna unite Israel and Palestine. The biggest deal ever negotiated. They'll all be good after that.
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SmartMuffin
05/15/17 11:54:03 PM
#61:


Jakyl25 posted...
SmartMuffin posted...
The FBI director servers at the leisure of the President. He has the power to appoint and fire them. Even his biggest critics readily concede this.


That doesn't mean it's not obstruction of justice


That's exactly what it means.

But it doesn't matter. The point is, if EVERY SINGLE DAY your headline is "THIS TIME Trump just did the WORST THING EVER" nobody will ever take you seriously because you come across as hysterical. "Trump derangement syndrome" is an actual thing that everyone recognizes. We've been hearing "Okay, those other things might not have been so bad, but THIS TIME IT'S REALLY REALLY BAD GUYS WE PROMISE" for like two fucking years now. Even if you're eventually right, it won't matter, because everyone assumes you're just coming up with new bullshit that doesn't matter.
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Jakyl25
05/15/17 11:55:52 PM
#62:


Unknown_voter posted...
also, because of our intel communities obsession with overthrowing assad and russias desire to support him- we are literally funding groups like al queda to fight against assads forces, when we should be working to defeat ISIS and Al Queda, our immediate enemies, before worrying about Assad.)


This is soooo much easier said than done.

You take out ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, and then the country is all Assad's, then what? How do you stop Assad at that point without completely destabilizing the entire country AGAIN?
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Jakyl25
05/15/17 11:58:01 PM
#63:


SmartMuffin posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
SmartMuffin posted...
The FBI director servers at the leisure of the President. He has the power to appoint and fire them. Even his biggest critics readily concede this.


That doesn't mean it's not obstruction of justice


That's exactly what it means.

But it doesn't matter. The point is, if EVERY SINGLE DAY your headline is "THIS TIME Trump just did the WORST THING EVER" nobody will ever take you seriously because you come across as hysterical. "Trump derangement syndrome" is an actual thing that everyone recognizes. We've been hearing "Okay, those other things might not have been so bad, but THIS TIME IT'S REALLY REALLY BAD GUYS WE PROMISE" for like two fucking years now. Even if you're eventually right, it won't matter, because everyone assumes you're just coming up with new bullshit that doesn't matter.


When does anyone ever say the stuff he did before might not have been so bad? Except for actual trivial stuff we banter about him like the ice cream or the big truck vroom vroom?
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Kenri
05/16/17 12:02:21 AM
#64:


People who somehow think they're defending Trump: "This situation is exactly like the boy who cried wolf, you know, the story where everyone kept being warned about the wolf but didn't believe it until eventually the wolf showed up and ate a child."
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Unknown_voter
05/16/17 12:03:16 AM
#65:


Jakyl25 posted...
Unknown_voter posted...
also, because of our intel communities obsession with overthrowing assad and russias desire to support him- we are literally funding groups like al queda to fight against assads forces, when we should be working to defeat ISIS and Al Queda, our immediate enemies, before worrying about Assad.)


This is soooo much easier said than done.

You take out ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria, and then the country is all Assad's, then what? How do you stop Assad at that point without completely destabilizing the entire country AGAIN?


I mean, in all honestly, I don't think it is our place to decide who rules Syria, and I don't think Assad has ever been proven to use chemical weapons against his own people. So, I don't think we should...not through war anyway. I also don't believe that the US has ever gone to war for humanitarian reasons, given that there are countless dictators and evil men (including our leadership) at any given time and we just HAPPEN to only care about whichever one is a current strategic desire. I support peaceful diplomatic efforts against regimes that are deemed wrong, but not unilateral intervention unless attacked.
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Jakyl25
05/16/17 12:03:16 AM
#66:


I mean I'll go ahead and list them:

Hiring Flynn? very bad
Hiring DeVos? very bad
Demanding Loyalty? very bad
Travel Ban? very bad
Blatant Nepotism? very bad
Bombing Syria Impulsively? very bad
Firing Comey To Obstruct Justice? very bad
Leaking Allied Info To Russians? very bad


EDIT: Said Flynn instead of Comey

What, do you want me to rank them?
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Jakyl25
05/16/17 12:08:21 AM
#67:


God here's how fast all this shit moves

One week ago right now, James Comey was the FBI Director
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lordloki12
05/16/17 12:30:11 AM
#68:


If you are tired of people pointing out all the dumb and awful things Trump keeps doing then blame him for struggling to go a full week at a time without doing one of those things. This is what happens when you elect a manchild to one of the most important and stressful jobs on the planet. His mistakes impact a ton of people and surprise they care. If he could handle even the basic day to day tasks of being the president half of his headlines would never have happened.
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Not_an_Owl
05/16/17 12:33:34 AM
#69:


Jakyl25 posted...
Hiring Flynn? very bad
Hiring DeVos? very bad
Demanding Loyalty? very bad
Travel Ban? very bad
Blatant Nepotism? very bad
Bombing Syria Impulsively? very bad
Firing Comey To Obstruct Justice? very bad
Leaking Allied Info To Russians? very bad

If a generic Democrat had done any one of these things every single Republican in existence would be screaming for their blood. Now Trump does all of them and is greeted by conspicuous silence from the Right. It's almost like the GOP cares more about keeping its party in power than it does about the country it's supposed to govern.
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Jakyl25
05/16/17 1:03:19 AM
#70:


Oh yeah I almost forgot

Threatening Comey into silence? Very bad
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Jakyl25
05/16/17 1:05:12 AM
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FFDragon
05/16/17 1:07:58 AM
#72:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/864244723464253440

Quite the thread


this

this is what social media was built for
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SovietOmega
05/16/17 1:09:25 AM
#73:


FFDragon posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/864244723464253440

Quite the thread


this

this is what social media was built for

The hypocrisy is real, but I also like that stick of butter with emails on the side.
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HaRRicH
05/16/17 1:28:49 AM
#74:


SovietOmega posted...
FFDragon posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/864244723464253440

Quite the thread


this

this is what social media was built for

The hypocrisy is real, but I also like that stick of butter with emails on the side.


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psaltery
05/16/17 1:33:02 AM
#75:


The ghost of Seth Rich is coming back to haunt Crooked Hillary and John Podesta!

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/05/15/report-investigator-says-evidence-showing-deceased-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-emailing-wikileaks/

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/864348023735730176
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MalcolmMasher
05/16/17 1:58:25 AM
#76:


That's exactly what it means.

Shredding documents is legal and fine. You have a right to shred documents. But you don't have a right to shred documents that you know are wanted for a criminal investigation - that's obstruction of justice. It is legal for Trump to fire the head of the FBI, but if Trump is firing the head of the FBI in order to hinder a FBI investigation of Trump and associates, that is Not Okay; it is grounds for a reasonable Congress to contemplate impeachment. The President is not supposed to put their personal interests above the interests of justice.
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LordoftheMorons
05/16/17 2:54:25 AM
#77:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html

Our institutions depend on people who have enough engraved character traits to fulfill their assigned duties. But there is perpetually less to Trump than it appears. When we analyze a president’s utterances we tend to assume that there is some substantive process behind the words, that it’s part of some strategic intent.

But Trump’s statements don’t necessarily come from anywhere, lead anywhere or have a permanent reality beyond his wish to be liked at any given instant.

We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.

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SovietOmega
05/16/17 3:07:04 AM
#78:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html

Our institutions depend on people who have enough engraved character traits to fulfill their assigned duties. But there is perpetually less to Trump than it appears. When we analyze a president’s utterances we tend to assume that there is some substantive process behind the words, that it’s part of some strategic intent.

But Trump’s statements don’t necessarily come from anywhere, lead anywhere or have a permanent reality beyond his wish to be liked at any given instant.

We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.

"No wait, the fireflies aren't beeping randomly at all, that's morse code! Quick...grab a pen, I need to write this down!"

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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 3:19:26 AM
#79:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/864305315952701446

LOL



Definitely fair given what the MSM is doing...
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 3:20:28 AM
#80:


And if you try to ask something else, BANNED FOR LIFE, if your organization does it 2 times, then that organization not jut the two people are banned for life.
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 3:25:41 AM
#81:


Jakyl25 posted...
I mean I'll go ahead and list them:

Hiring Flynn? Neutral
Hiring DeVos? The best
Demanding Loyalty? good
Travel Ban? Best thing a President has done since Reagan
Blatant Nepotism? Not really able to be proven worse than any other President
Bombing Syria Impulsively? Iffy
Firing Comey To Obstruct Justice? Should have happened earlier, but Comey is a known traitor, he needed to go/be arrested.
Leaking Allied Info To Russians? Not that type of info. Nothing wrong with trying to help out a potential ally.


EDIT: Said Flynn instead of Comey

What, do you want me to rank them?

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GuessMyUserName
05/16/17 3:59:50 AM
#82:


I've never seen anyone as un-American as MWC. And I've lived in two non-US countries.
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 4:22:53 AM
#83:


GuessMyUserName posted...
I've never seen anyone as un-American as MWC. And I've lived in two non-US countries.



Believe it or not, the American MSM has NOTHING whatsoever to do with America, and they are as much our enemy and UnAmerican as any Middle Eastern Country or North Korea or China. And they absolutely need to be leashed.
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GuessMyUserName
05/16/17 4:28:46 AM
#84:


I like that all your example countries provide the level of silence you dream of.
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Nanis23
05/16/17 4:30:24 AM
#85:


A friend linked me to this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.e5b290845d56
Now I don't know if it's legit or not
I don't care
What I do know is that how the fuck can people care about anything the Washingon Post says regarding Trump? their fucking slogan is Democracy dies in the Darkness because they don't like Trump, they are fucking biased and it's disgusting
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 4:31:06 AM
#86:


GuessMyUserName posted...
I like that all your example countries provide the level of silence you dream of.



There is NOTHING in the constitution or anything else that gives the press right to the President. They are free to write what they want (as long as it's not lies, that's libel/treason) by the 1st Amendment... but they are not guaranteed access by anything, and as evil and UnAmerican as they are, they should not GET access to the President.
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 4:32:11 AM
#87:


Nanis23 posted...
A friend linked me to this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.e5b290845d56
Now I don't know if it's legit or not
I don't care
What I do know is that how the fuck can people care about anything the Washingon Post says regarding Trump? their fucking slogan is Democracy dies in the Darkness because they don't like Trump, they are fucking biased and it's disgusting



There is no reason to listen to ANYTHING WaPo, CNN, NBC and many others have to say, their bias have been shown and proven.
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Paratroopa1
05/16/17 4:33:21 AM
#88:


oh god
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Paratroopa1
05/16/17 4:33:57 AM
#89:


christ that was a reply to nanis but there are two posts I can't see which isn't an amazing sign
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GuessMyUserName
05/16/17 4:37:17 AM
#90:


It's MWC wishing America was as good a country as North Korea
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Paratroopa1
05/16/17 4:40:02 AM
#91:


GuessMyUserName posted...
It's MWC wishing America was as good a country as North Korea

This could either be true or not true and I wouldn't really know.
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 4:40:29 AM
#92:


GuessMyUserName posted...
It's MWC wishing America was as good a country as North Korea



That's not what I said... I said they are horrible. Our press is as bad as them.
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Paratroopa1
05/16/17 4:41:16 AM
#93:


Ooh what was that one
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GuessMyUserName
05/16/17 4:43:24 AM
#94:


Defending his comments by repeating that free press is as dangerous as North Korea could ever be.

Basically that he despises America.
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Paratroopa1
05/16/17 4:44:30 AM
#95:


Again, I think I'm better off not knowing whether or not you are lying to me
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 4:48:26 AM
#96:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Defending his comments by repeating that free press is as dangerous as North Korea could ever be.

Basically that he despises America.



Free Press does not have the right to lie....
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SovietOmega
05/16/17 4:48:54 AM
#97:


One could argue that he is on a site that is owned by CBS, so in the very act of professing his views he is a small part of what he hates.

On a semirelated note, I feel for all the news people who have to endure lots of similar negative comments like his on a daily basis. At least spewing it on us means that it might be another more integral person spared.
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LordoftheMorons
05/16/17 4:50:59 AM
#98:


Nanis23 posted...
A friend linked me to this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.e5b290845d56
Now I don't know if it's legit or not
I don't care
What I do know is that how the fuck can people care about anything the Washingon Post says regarding Trump? their fucking slogan is Democracy dies in the Darkness because they don't like Trump, they are fucking biased and it's disgusting

1. It is legit, and like five other papers have confirmed the story.
2. WaPo is probably the second most respected paper in the country
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 4:51:49 AM
#99:


SovietOmega posted...
One could argue that he is on a site that is owned by CBS, so in the very act of professing his views he is a small part of what he hates.

On a semirelated note, I feel for all the news people who have to endure lots of similar negative comments like his on a daily basis. At least spewing it on us means that it might be another more integral person spared.



If they weren't biased proven liars liberal assholes.... They wouldn't...
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EmDubyaSee
05/16/17 4:52:37 AM
#100:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Nanis23 posted...
A friend linked me to this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.e5b290845d56
Now I don't know if it's legit or not
I don't care
What I do know is that how the fuck can people care about anything the Washingon Post says regarding Trump? their fucking slogan is Democracy dies in the Darkness because they don't like Trump, they are fucking biased and it's disgusting

1. It is legit, and like five other papers have confirmed the story.
2. WaPo is probably the second most respected paper in the country


Name the 5..... See if they matter.
Not by anyone with a brain. Except CNN they are clearly the largest fake news outlet out there.
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