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Zeus 05/18/17 4:54:56 AM #51:	Mead posted... Zeus posted... a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent. We'll see. He certainly isn't acting like it. I guess you have some logical reason that it makes sense for him to tell the FBI director to stop an investigation into his campaign, and then fire him the week he requests more resources for it. Here's the thing: There's no logical basis for his guilt. So far everything that's been claimed as collusion has been traced to people who were keeping things from Trump and all of this incidents involve undisclosed meetings with a Russian ambassador. If anything, this could be a ploy to undermine the US electoral system by deliberately casting doubt and, if that's the case, the Dems are being useful fools. More importantly, you have the false correlation being used to imply guilt like claims about asking for resources while ignoring that shortly before his firing -- much closer to the firing itself -- Comey admitted in testimony the Hillary intel and cited exaggerated false estimations which showed a clear judgment issue. For other motivation, Trump has been painted as a person who values loyalty above everything else so, if Comey had lied repeatedly about the investigation as claimed, he wouldn't trust him and therefore wouldn't want him around-- something which has nothing to do with guilt. darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent Pretty ballsy statement considering that it's impossible for anyone in the public to know with any reasonable degree of certainty whether Trump is innocent or guilty. Again, look at every avenue taken in the investigation. Everything points to Trump NOT being involved. And even the claims of collusion are largely based on already debunked material, such as Flynn's meeting with the ambassador where the FBI cleared him. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879325242] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent.</quote> We'll see. He certainly isn't acting like it. I guess you have some logical reason that it makes sense for him to tell the FBI director to stop an investigation into his campaign, and then fire him the week he requests more resources for it.</quote> Here's the thing: There's no logical basis for his guilt. So far everything that's been claimed as collusion has been traced to people who were keeping things from Trump and all of this incidents involve undisclosed meetings with a Russian ambassador. If anything, this could be a ploy to undermine the US electoral system by deliberately casting doubt and, if that's the case, the Dems are being useful fools. More importantly, you have the false correlation being used to imply guilt like claims about asking for resources while ignoring that shortly before his firing -- much closer to the firing itself -- Comey admitted in testimony the Hillary intel and cited exaggerated false estimations which showed a clear judgment issue. For other motivation, Trump has been painted as a person who values loyalty above everything else so, if Comey had lied repeatedly about the investigation as claimed, he wouldn't trust him and therefore wouldn't want him around-- something which has nothing to do with guilt. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent</quote> Pretty ballsy statement considering that it's impossible for anyone in the public to know with any reasonable degree of certainty whether Trump is innocent or guilty.</quote> Again, look at every avenue taken in the investigation. Everything points to Trump NOT being involved. And even the claims of collusion are largely based on already debunked material, such as Flynn's meeting with the ambassador where the FBI cleared him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/18/17 4:56:52 AM #52:	TheCyborgNinja posted... Zeus posted... Mead posted... Zeus posted... Mead posted... Zeus posted... If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained. #ZeusLogic No, it's every informed person's logic. Under no scenario does resigning improve his situation, it could only hurt him. Therefore, he HAS to stay in office and ride things out. I'm sure things would have been better for Nixon if he had stayed in office and never gotten his pardon. Overlooking that Nixon arguably had complicity after the fact by choosing to shield his staffers even if he didn't order it, it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent. More importantly, Nixon didn't have a fucking empire built on his name which is vulnerable to a bad reputation. But sure, pretend that they're exactly the same. Except a lot of people he worked with or ripped off sort of killed that already. Then there's Trump University... Except for the fact that none of those incidents were this high-profile and the so-called "rip-offs" are generally murky. As for Trump U, the entire basis of the complaint was Trump's non-involvement in the course. All he ultimately did was lend his name to individuals who ran the thing and gave him a cut. Which isn't to say that he doesn't have some culpability, but it's more on the basis of false advertising where he claimed involvement he clearly didn't have. More importantly, the little cases against him never stuck; clearly if anybody took those claims seriously, people wouldn't work with him. And people are already forgetting Trump University, which didn't reflect badly on his real estate anyway which is the bulk of the value to his name whereby simply putting his name on a building -- even without anything else -- gives value. If he was publicly known as a traitor - PARTICULARLY if he resigned and was pardoned, which strongly suggests guilt -- that shit would lose value faster than you could say "Benedict Arnold Resort and Spa." --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879325285] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> If anything, that's an argument to NOT stop for the reasons I already explained. </quote> #ZeusLogic</quote> No, it's every informed person's logic. Under no scenario does resigning improve his situation, it could only hurt him. Therefore, he HAS to stay in office and ride things out.</quote> I'm sure things would have been better for Nixon if he had stayed in office and never gotten his pardon.</quote> Overlooking that Nixon arguably had complicity after the fact by choosing to shield his staffers even if he didn't order it, it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent. More importantly, Nixon didn't have a fucking empire built on his name which is vulnerable to a bad reputation. But sure, pretend that they're exactly the same.</quote> Except a lot of people he worked with or ripped off sort of killed that already. Then there's Trump University...</quote> Except for the fact that none of those incidents were this high-profile and the so-called "rip-offs" are generally murky. As for Trump U, the entire basis of the complaint was Trump's non-involvement in the course. All he ultimately did was lend his name to individuals who ran the thing and gave him a cut. Which isn't to say that he doesn't have some culpability, but it's more on the basis of false advertising where he claimed involvement he clearly didn't have. More importantly, the little cases against him never stuck; clearly if anybody took those claims seriously, people wouldn't work with him. And people are already forgetting Trump University, which didn't reflect badly on his real estate anyway which is the bulk of the value to his name whereby simply putting his name on a building -- even without anything else -- gives value. If he was publicly known as a traitor - PARTICULARLY if he resigned and was pardoned, which strongly suggests guilt -- that shit would lose value faster than you could say "Benedict Arnold Resort and Spa."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 05/18/17 12:05:52 PM #53:	Zeus posted... Again, look at every avenue taken in the investigation. Everything points to Trump NOT being involved. And even the claims of collusion are largely based on already debunked material, such as Flynn's meeting with the ambassador where the FBI cleared him. It's weird, then, how Republicans are treating this like it's a big deal. Presumably, if it's a bunch of leftist overreaction as you're asserting, it would be swiftly dismissed as such by the Republican establishment; the fact most are not defending Trump or have even voiced "concern" or "disappointment" is damning. Special prosecutors are not hired over nothing. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:879340180] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Again, look at every avenue taken in the investigation. Everything points to Trump NOT being involved. And even the claims of collusion are largely based on already debunked material, such as Flynn's meeting with the ambassador where the FBI cleared him.</quote> It's weird, then, how Republicans are treating this like it's a big deal. Presumably, if it's a bunch of leftist overreaction as you're asserting, it would be swiftly dismissed as such by the Republican establishment; the fact most are not defending Trump or have even voiced "concern" or "disappointment" is damning. Special prosecutors are not hired over nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropic_Sunset 05/18/17 12:23:56 PM #54:	darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent Pretty ballsy statement considering that it's impossible for anyone in the public to know with any reasonable degree of certainty whether Trump is innocent or guilty. Pretty much this. --- "Nostalgia is a hell of a drug." -Magus 10 <cite>Tropic_Sunset posted [p:879341161] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>it's still a terrible analogy because Trump is completely innocent</quote> Pretty ballsy statement considering that it's impossible for anyone in the public to know with any reasonable degree of certainty whether Trump is innocent or guilty.</quote> Pretty much this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/18/17 6:44:59 PM #55:	darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... Again, look at every avenue taken in the investigation. Everything points to Trump NOT being involved. And even the claims of collusion are largely based on already debunked material, such as Flynn's meeting with the ambassador where the FBI cleared him. It's weird, then, how Republicans are treating this like it's a big deal. Presumably, if it's a bunch of leftist overreaction as you're asserting, it would be swiftly dismissed as such by the Republican establishment; the fact most are not defending Trump or have even voiced "concern" or "disappointment" is damning. Except for the fact that Republicans aren't. You guys cited ONE example of a guy who said, "Well, IF it's true, he should be impeached." Meanwhile EVERYBODY of note shouting out for impeachment or investigation is a Democrat. darkknight109 posted... Special prosecutors are not hired over nothing. "Innocent people don't get accused of crimes!" - Erik, Darkknight, etc First off, they're CALLING for a special prosecutor. When the special counsel was brought in, it was only because it was called for repeatedly. Unsurprisingly, when you repeatedly call for something and shout loudly enough, eventually it happens. It's one reason we kept having Benghazi hearings which were little more than fishing expeditions and ultimately turned up minor damning facts. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879366069] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Again, look at every avenue taken in the investigation. Everything points to Trump NOT being involved. And even the claims of collusion are largely based on already debunked material, such as Flynn's meeting with the ambassador where the FBI cleared him.</quote> It's weird, then, how Republicans are treating this like it's a big deal. Presumably, if it's a bunch of leftist overreaction as you're asserting, it would be swiftly dismissed as such by the Republican establishment; the fact most are not defending Trump or have even voiced "concern" or "disappointment" is damning.</quote> Except for the fact that Republicans aren't. You guys cited ONE example of a guy who said, "Well, IF it's true, he should be impeached." Meanwhile EVERYBODY of note shouting out for impeachment or investigation is a Democrat. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Special prosecutors are not hired over nothing.</quote> "Innocent people don't get accused of crimes!" - Erik, Darkknight, etc First off, they're CALLING for a special prosecutor. When the special counsel was brought in, it was only because it was called for repeatedly. Unsurprisingly, when you repeatedly call for something and shout loudly enough, eventually it happens. It's one reason we kept having Benghazi hearings which were little more than fishing expeditions and ultimately turned up minor damning facts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 05/18/17 7:51:13 PM #56:	Zeus posted... You guys cited ONE example of a guy who said, "Well, IF it's true, he should be impeached." And how, exactly, are we supposed to determine if it's true or not if there's no investigation? Zeus posted... Except for the fact that Republicans aren't. You guys cited ONE example of a guy who said, "Well, IF it's true, he should be impeached." Meanwhile EVERYBODY of note shouting out for impeachment or investigation is a Democrat. “I have long called for a special congressional committee to investigate Russia's interference in the 2016 election. The president's decision to remove the FBI Director only confirms the need and the urgency of such a committee." - Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) "I'm uncomfortable with the timing of all this, and that's why I think an independent prosecutor should be on the table if in fact the select committee in the Senate and the House cannot get to answers." - Sen. Dean Heller (R. Nev.) "Whether or not you are a supporter of Mr. James Comey's actions as FBI Director, the timing of his firing -- in the middle of an investigation into Russia's interference in our election -- is serious cause for concern." - Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Ala). When asked about a special prosecutor, she opined "I think it needs to be considered." “My staff and I are reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on Russia." - Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) - same guy who said Trump should be impeached if the allegations against him are true. “The extraordinary decision to fire Director Comey definitely raises questions which must be answered. I believe these circumstances call for an independent investigation that the American people can trust with confidence." - Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn) “The timing of the firing makes it necessary to hand the investigation over to an independent prosecutor so it’s above reproach." - Rep Tom McClintock (R-Calif) "This is very concerning and we've got to get to the bottom of this. We've got to get answers. What it really is is, when this is done, the American people need to know that justice was served, either way." - Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill), Republican deputy whip. In the same interview, he said he would support either an independent commission or a special prosecutor. I mean, I can keep going if you really want me to, but I'm running up against the character limit for this post and I think you get the drift. Zeus posted... "Innocent people don't get accused of crimes!" - Erik, Darkknight, etc That's a pretty big reach from what I actually said. Note that I've never said Trump is guilty of anything; I've said I don't know. You don't know either, regardless of the bullshit you're spouting about him being completely 100% innocent. The thing is, there's enough circumstantial evidence - from the leaks (which I note you seem to have stopped saying are a made-up Post story) to Russia's election interference in Trump's favour to the Trump team's contact with Russia to Trump's own comments - to suggest that there is the distinct possibility that Trump has done something illegal (or at least unethical). Note that's "possibility", not certainty. That's why people are calling for an investigation - to look into the matter from a non-partisan basis and determine whether or not anything illegal was actually done. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:879369957] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You guys cited ONE example of a guy who said, "Well, IF it's true, he should be impeached."</quote> And how, exactly, are we supposed to determine if it's true or not if there's no investigation? <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Except for the fact that Republicans aren't. You guys cited ONE example of a guy who said, "Well, IF it's true, he should be impeached." Meanwhile EVERYBODY of note shouting out for impeachment or investigation is a Democrat.</quote> “I have long called for a special congressional committee to investigate Russia's interference in the 2016 election. The president's decision to remove the FBI Director only confirms the need and the urgency of such a committee." - Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) "I'm uncomfortable with the timing of all this, and that's why I think an independent prosecutor should be on the table if in fact the select committee in the Senate and the House cannot get to answers." - Sen. Dean Heller (R. Nev.) "Whether or not you are a supporter of Mr. James Comey's actions as FBI Director, the timing of his firing -- in the middle of an investigation into Russia's interference in our election -- is serious cause for concern." - Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Ala). When asked about a special prosecutor, she opined "I think it needs to be considered." “My staff and I are reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on Russia." - Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) - same guy who said Trump should be impeached if the allegations against him are true. “The extraordinary decision to fire Director Comey definitely raises questions which must be answered. I believe these circumstances call for an independent investigation that the American people can trust with confidence." - Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn) “The timing of the firing makes it necessary to hand the investigation over to an independent prosecutor so it’s above reproach." - Rep Tom McClintock (R-Calif) "This is very concerning and we've got to get to the bottom of this. We've got to get answers. What it really is is, when this is done, the American people need to know that justice was served, either way." - Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill), Republican deputy whip. In the same interview, he said he would support either an independent commission or a special prosecutor. I mean, I can keep going if you really want me to, but I'm running up against the character limit for this post and I think you get the drift. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>"Innocent people don't get accused of crimes!" - Erik, Darkknight, etc</quote> That's a pretty big reach from what I actually said. Note that I've never said Trump is guilty of anything; I've said I don't know. You don't know either, regardless of the bullshit you're spouting about him being completely 100% innocent. The thing is, there's enough circumstantial evidence - from the leaks (which I note you seem to have stopped saying are a made-up Post story) to Russia's election interference in Trump's favour to the Trump team's contact with Russia to Trump's own comments - to suggest that there is the distinct possibility that Trump has done something illegal (or at least unethical). Note that's "possibility", not certainty. That's why people are calling for an investigation - to look into the matter from a non-partisan basis and determine whether or not anything illegal was actually done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 05/18/17 7:55:43 PM #57:	CountessRolab posted... The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached. Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:879370228] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.</quote> Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 05/18/17 7:57:01 PM #58:	BlackScythe0 posted... CountessRolab posted... The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached. Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US. That's not really an improvement, though. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:879370308] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.</quote> Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US.</quote> That's not really an improvement, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 05/18/17 7:59:11 PM #59:	darkknight109 posted... BlackScythe0 posted... CountessRolab posted... The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached. Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US. That's not really an improvement, though. It's not, it's actually worse since he could have devastating legislative accomplishments. While he would be a disastrous president, I also have no reason to fear he is a traitor. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:879370421] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.</quote> Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US.</quote> That's not really an improvement, though.</quote> It's not, it's actually worse since he could have devastating legislative accomplishments. While he would be a disastrous president, I also have no reason to fear he is a traitor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 05/18/17 8:45:16 PM #60:	Impeachment odds dropped to 20% today --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:879373133] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote>Impeachment odds dropped to 20% today</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/19/17 12:04:45 AM #61:	darkknight109 posted... “I have long called for a special congressional committee to investigate Russia's interference in the 2016 election. The president's decision to remove the FBI Director only confirms the need and the urgency of such a committee." - Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) "I'm uncomfortable with the timing of all this, and that's why I think an independent prosecutor should be on the table if in fact the select committee in the Senate and the House cannot get to answers." - Sen. Dean Heller (R. Nev.) "Whether or not you are a supporter of Mr. James Comey's actions as FBI Director, the timing of his firing -- in the middle of an investigation into Russia's interference in our election -- is serious cause for concern." - Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Ala). When asked about a special prosecutor, she opined "I think it needs to be considered." “My staff and I are reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on Russia." - Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) - same guy who said Trump should be impeached if the allegations against him are true. “The extraordinary decision to fire Director Comey definitely raises questions which must be answered. I believe these circumstances call for an independent investigation that the American people can trust with confidence." - Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn) “The timing of the firing makes it necessary to hand the investigation over to an independent prosecutor so it’s above reproach." - Rep Tom McClintock (R-Calif) "This is very concerning and we've got to get to the bottom of this. We've got to get answers. What it really is is, when this is done, the American people need to know that justice was served, either way." - Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill), Republican deputy whip. In the same interview, he said he would support either an independent commission or a special prosecutor. I mean, I can keep going if you really want me to, but I'm running up against the character limit for this post and I think you get the drift. McCain's comments aren't about Trump, they're about Russia specifically. Murkowski's comment is just stupid. Amash we discussed. The rest sound like flippant compliance to Democrats' demands. In general, nobody is strongly asserting anything in regards to looking into Trump. darkknight109 posted... The thing is, there's enough circumstantial evidence - from the leaks (which I note you seem to have stopped saying are a made-up Post story) You mean the confidential claims? I never stopped saying that. Everybody concerned has refuted the claim as being mischaracterized or an outright lie. More importantly, the semantics are completely wrong: if the highest elected official in the land is discussing information in an official capacity, it's not a leak. WaPo is full of shit, as always. darkknight109 posted... BlackScythe0 posted... CountessRolab posted... The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached. Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US. That's not really an improvement, though. Bad for the hard-left, anyway. A Paul presidency would assuage the fears associated with the propagandized outward look of chaos we have right now (assuming that the media machine doesn't follow WaPo's lead in publishing lies and libels) and his priorities would be different. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879384071] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>“I have long called for a special congressional committee to investigate Russia's interference in the 2016 election. The president's decision to remove the FBI Director only confirms the need and the urgency of such a committee." - Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz) "I'm uncomfortable with the timing of all this, and that's why I think an independent prosecutor should be on the table if in fact the select committee in the Senate and the House cannot get to answers." - Sen. Dean Heller (R. Nev.) "Whether or not you are a supporter of Mr. James Comey's actions as FBI Director, the timing of his firing -- in the middle of an investigation into Russia's interference in our election -- is serious cause for concern." - Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Ala). When asked about a special prosecutor, she opined "I think it needs to be considered." “My staff and I are reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on Russia." - Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) - same guy who said Trump should be impeached if the allegations against him are true. “The extraordinary decision to fire Director Comey definitely raises questions which must be answered. I believe these circumstances call for an independent investigation that the American people can trust with confidence." - Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn) “The timing of the firing makes it necessary to hand the investigation over to an independent prosecutor so it’s above reproach." - Rep Tom McClintock (R-Calif) "This is very concerning and we've got to get to the bottom of this. We've got to get answers. What it really is is, when this is done, the American people need to know that justice was served, either way." - Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill), Republican deputy whip. In the same interview, he said he would support either an independent commission or a special prosecutor. I mean, I can keep going if you really want me to, but I'm running up against the character limit for this post and I think you get the drift.</quote> McCain's comments aren't about Trump, they're about Russia specifically. Murkowski's comment is just stupid. Amash we discussed. The rest sound like flippant compliance to Democrats' demands. In general, nobody is strongly asserting anything in regards to looking into Trump. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>The thing is, there's enough circumstantial evidence - from the leaks (which I note you seem to have stopped saying are a made-up Post story)</quote> You mean the confidential claims? I never stopped saying that. Everybody concerned has refuted the claim as being mischaracterized or an outright lie. More importantly, the semantics are completely wrong: if the highest elected official in the land is discussing information in an official capacity, it's not a leak. WaPo is full of shit, as always. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with trump impeachment is that pence is 100x worse. I hope to god Trump doesn't get impeached.</quote> Honestly if Trump gets impeached his whole crew should go. I'd think Pence should be impeached as well which would make Paul Ryan president of the US.</quote> That's not really an improvement, though.</quote> Bad for the hard-left, anyway. A Paul presidency would assuage the fears associated with the propagandized outward look of chaos we have right now (assuming that the media machine doesn't follow WaPo's lead in publishing lies and libels) and his priorities would be different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 05/19/17 11:54:09 PM #62:	Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331 --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:879447408] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/20/17 4:27:44 AM #63:	CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331 Technically doesn't mean anything. It doesn't even necessarily mean that they're suspected or, at least, not in an official capacity. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879456183] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331</quote> Technically doesn't mean anything. It doesn't even necessarily mean that they're suspected or, at least, not in an official capacity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/20/17 4:28:55 AM #64:	CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions I don't typically believe in prayer but I feel like it might be worth a shot in this case --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:879456214] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions</quote> I don't typically believe in prayer but I feel like it might be worth a shot in this case</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/20/17 4:33:00 AM #65:	Mead posted... CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions I don't typically believe in prayer but I feel like it might be worth a shot in this case You guys and your weird hate for Jeff Sessions. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879456285] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions</quote> I don't typically believe in prayer but I feel like it might be worth a shot in this case</quote> You guys and your weird hate for Jeff Sessions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/20/17 4:33:13 AM #66:	Zeus posted... Here's the thing: There's no logical basis for his guilt. So far everything that's been claimed as collusion has been traced to people who were keeping things from Trump We know for a fact that this is false. Trump and Pence both were informed about what was going on with Flynn before Trump took office but Flynn kept his position until the story went public. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:879456293] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Here's the thing: There's no logical basis for his guilt. So far everything that's been claimed as collusion has been traced to people who were keeping things from Trump </quote> We know for a fact that this is false. Trump and Pence both were informed about what was going on with Flynn before Trump took office but Flynn kept his position until the story went public.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/20/17 4:35:08 AM #67:	Zeus posted... Mead posted... CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions I don't typically believe in prayer but I feel like it might be worth a shot in this case You guys and your weird hate for Jeff Sessions. He has ass backwards views on drug enforcement that anyone who doesn't own a privatized prison knows hurts our society Putting people in prison for half their life for smoking weed doesn't help anyone --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:879456326] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions</quote> I don't typically believe in prayer but I feel like it might be worth a shot in this case</quote> You guys and your weird hate for Jeff Sessions.</quote> He has ass backwards views on drug enforcement that anyone who doesn't own a privatized prison knows hurts our society Putting people in prison for half their life for smoking weed doesn't help anyone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/20/17 4:57:59 AM #68:	Mead posted... Zeus posted... Here's the thing: There's no logical basis for his guilt. So far everything that's been claimed as collusion has been traced to people who were keeping things from Trump We know for a fact that this is false. Trump and Pence both were informed about what was going on with Flynn before Trump took office but Flynn kept his position until the story went public. Except they didn't know about the meeting. They knew that he had acted on Russia's behalf because Flynn had told them as much, but the meeting is what caused Pence to lose faith in Flynn because Flynn hadn't disclosed it. The meeting itself was harmless -- the FBI cleared it on all counts -- but Pence was annoyed that it had been kept secret, according to all reports including even WaPo at that time. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879456713] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Here's the thing: There's no logical basis for his guilt. So far everything that's been claimed as collusion has been traced to people who were keeping things from Trump </quote> We know for a fact that this is false. Trump and Pence both were informed about what was going on with Flynn before Trump took office but Flynn kept his position until the story went public.</quote> Except they didn't know about the meeting. They knew that he had acted on Russia's behalf because Flynn had told them as much, but the meeting is what caused Pence to lose faith in Flynn because Flynn hadn't disclosed it. The meeting itself was harmless -- the FBI cleared it on all counts -- but Pence was annoyed that it had been kept secret, according to all reports including even WaPo at that time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/20/17 4:59:35 AM #69:	Zeus posted... Except they didn't know about the meeting. T They were told directly that Flynn was in a position where he could be blackmailed by the Russian government. Known fact. They did nothing until it went public. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:879456744] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Except they didn't know about the meeting. T</quote> They were told directly that Flynn was in a position where he could be blackmailed by the Russian government. Known fact. They did nothing until it went public.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/20/17 5:03:57 AM #70:	Mead posted... Zeus posted... Except they didn't know about the meeting. T They were told directly that Flynn was in a position where he could be blackmailed by the Russian government. Known fact. They did nothing until it went public. Told what exactly? That this meeting could be used as blackmail? If so, that'd be the weakest blackmail of all time. Plus, again, the same sources refuted that they knew anything about the meeting and, if they had, it wouldn't be good blackmail. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:879456807] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Except they didn't know about the meeting. T</quote> They were told directly that Flynn was in a position where he could be blackmailed by the Russian government. Known fact. They did nothing until it went public.</quote> Told what exactly? That this meeting could be used as blackmail? If so, that'd be the weakest blackmail of all time. Plus, again, the same sources refuted that they knew anything about the meeting and, if they had, it wouldn't be good blackmail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/20/17 5:07:33 AM #71:	Zeus posted... Plus, again, the same sources refuted that they knew anything about the meeting and, if they had, it wouldn't be good blackmail. Do you have a source for that? First I've heard. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:879456875] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Plus, again, the same sources refuted that they knew anything about the meeting and, if they had, it wouldn't be good blackmail.</quote> Do you have a source for that? First I've heard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 05/20/17 8:36:41 AM #72:	CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331 I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:879461062] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331</quote> I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 05/20/17 8:39:20 AM #73:	Who has these odds? Las Vegas? --- Still waters run deep <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:879461121] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote>Who has these odds? Las Vegas?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/20/17 8:39:24 AM #74:	streamofthesky posted... CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331 I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder. what --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:879461124] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331</quote> I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder.</quote> what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 05/20/17 8:50:33 AM #75:	Mead posted... streamofthesky posted... CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331 I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder. what I'll break it down even more for you, so you can understand: And man, woman, or child who falls any bit short of "fanatical far-right christian extremist" should be terrified of the prospect of a Pence presidency. So much so, that for the country as a whole, we'd be better off with a Donald Trump as president who has all his current flaws and ALSO turned out to be a convicted murderer. I know he is not a murderer, I was simply trying to emphasize just how much of a calamity it would be if Pence ascended to the presidency. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:879461391] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331</quote> I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder.</quote> what</quote> I'll break it down even more for you, so you can understand: And man, woman, or child who falls any bit short of "fanatical far-right christian extremist" should be terrified of the prospect of a Pence presidency. So much so, that for the country as a whole, we'd be better off with a Donald Trump as president who has all his current flaws and ALSO turned out to be a convicted murderer. I know he is not a murderer, I was simply trying to emphasize just how much of a calamity it would be if Pence ascended to the presidency.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 05/20/17 8:55:14 AM #76:	Ok so you are saying we shouldn't get rid of trump if Pence is still VP. I thought you meant Pence gave him some kind of super immunity. I've had a long night here at work. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:879461508] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote>Ok so you are saying we shouldn't get rid of trump if Pence is still VP. I thought you meant Pence gave him some kind of super immunity. I've had a long night here at work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 05/20/17 9:00:44 AM #77:	Mead posted... Ok so you are saying we shouldn't get rid of trump if Pence is still VP. I thought you meant Pence gave him some kind of super immunity. I've had a long night here at work. That first sentence is what I'm saying. Which sort of is saying that Pence gives him super immunity. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:879461663] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Ok so you are saying we shouldn't get rid of trump if Pence is still VP. I thought you meant Pence gave him some kind of super immunity. I've had a long night here at work.</quote> That first sentence is what I'm saying. Which sort of is saying that Pence gives him super immunity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jamieyello3 05/20/17 9:45:16 AM #78:	Trump literally came out and stated he fired Comey because he was investigating him, which is by the book obstruction of justice. It gets a lot clearer when Trump is too dumb to stick to his own administration's lies. Who knows. It's hard to pin anything on Trump because he never acknowledges when he does anything wrong, he just dances around it and it works. <cite>jamieyello3 posted [p:879462941] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote>Trump literally came out and stated he fired Comey because he was investigating him, which is by the book obstruction of justice. It gets a lot clearer when Trump is too dumb to stick to his own administration's lies. Who knows. It's hard to pin anything on Trump because he never acknowledges when he does anything wrong, he just dances around it and it works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 05/20/17 9:54:15 AM #79:	jamieyello3 posted... Trump literally came out and stated he fired Comey because he was investigating him, which is by the book obstruction of justice. It gets a lot clearer when Trump is too dumb to stick to his own administration's lies. Who knows. It's hard to pin anything on Trump because he never acknowledges when he does anything wrong, he just dances around it and it works. Dances around it much like his Democratic predecessors. --- Still waters run deep <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:879463239] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>jamieyello3 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump literally came out and stated he fired Comey because he was investigating him, which is by the book obstruction of justice. It gets a lot clearer when Trump is too dumb to stick to his own administration's lies. Who knows. It's hard to pin anything on Trump because he never acknowledges when he does anything wrong, he just dances around it and it works.</quote> Dances around it much like his Democratic predecessors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 05/20/17 10:00:48 AM #80:	The same party that is proud their Bill got blown in the Oval Office. So let's elect his weak wife who stayed clearly for the job opportunity. --- Still waters run deep <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:879463462] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote>The same party that is proud their Bill got blown in the Oval Office. So let's elect his weak wife who stayed clearly for the job opportunity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jamieyello3 05/20/17 10:06:45 AM #81:	OneTimeBen posted... The same party that is proud their Bill got blown in the Oval Office DEFLEEECT Bill Clinton has nothing to do with this. I'm also not a blind apologetic for corporate Democrats, so if you're expecting a defense and derail you're wrong. <cite>jamieyello3 posted [p:879463685] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>OneTimeBen posted...</cite> <quote>The same party that is proud their Bill got blown in the Oval Office</quote> DEFLEEECT Bill Clinton has nothing to do with this. I'm also not a blind apologetic for corporate Democrats, so if you're expecting a defense and derail you're wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 05/20/17 10:16:10 AM #82:	jamieyello3 posted... OneTimeBen posted... The same party that is proud their Bill got blown in the Oval Office DEFLEEECT Bill Clinton has nothing to do with this. I'm also not a blind apologetic for corporate Democrats, so if you're expecting a defense and derail you're wrong. No just pointing out nobody is without flaw. Even the wife that stuck with a cheater to keep her job options open. --- Still waters run deep <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:879464013] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>jamieyello3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OneTimeBen posted...</cite> <quote>The same party that is proud their Bill got blown in the Oval Office</quote> DEFLEEECT Bill Clinton has nothing to do with this. I'm also not a blind apologetic for corporate Democrats, so if you're expecting a defense and derail you're wrong.</quote> No just pointing out nobody is without flaw. Even the wife that stuck with a cheater to keep her job options open.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 05/20/17 12:04:19 PM #83:	streamofthesky posted... CountessRolab posted... Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331 I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder. I really hope so too, but Pence has honestly seemed out of the loop this whole time. Trump just brought him along for the votes, but doesnt seem to respect him, Like, Trump is kind of a moron, but the people he has surrounded himself with are all waaaaay worse. --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:879468635] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Dear god, please let it be Jeff Sessions http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-russia-probe-looking-official-trump-white-house-n762331</quote> I want him out of his position, too. But I really hope it's Pence, for Presidency succession reasons. If Pence doesn't go down, Trump cannot be impeached, even if he were found guilty of murder.</quote> I really hope so too, but Pence has honestly seemed out of the loop this whole time. Trump just brought him along for the votes, but doesnt seem to respect him, Like, Trump is kind of a moron, but the people he has surrounded himself with are all waaaaay worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 05/20/17 12:05:53 PM #84:	OneTimeBen posted... wife who stayed clearly for the job opportunity. I honestly respect that. That is called ambition. --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:879468722] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote><cite>OneTimeBen posted...</cite> <quote>wife who stayed clearly for the job opportunity.</quote> I honestly respect that. That is called ambition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrZAP17 05/20/17 12:34:26 PM #85:	My opinion on this issue hinges on one thing: How likely is Trump to use nuclear weapons? I do not think Pence would use nukes. I think that Pence and Trump are largely equivalent in most domestic policy (partially because Pence is influencing Trump). The main danger of Pence is normalization. If Pence becomes president, many people will relax and stop paying attention even as he gets plenty of terrible legislation passed. Trump's brand is the main thing keeping things from getting done in Congress. So what about the nukes? North Korea will likely have ICBMs during this term. How would Trump deal with them. The answer to this question decides whether or not I prefer Trump to Pence. <cite>MrZAP17 posted [p:879470207] in Odds of Tr... [t:75355652]...</cite> <quote>My opinion on this issue hinges on one thing: How likely is Trump to use nuclear weapons? I do not think Pence would use nukes. I think that Pence and Trump are largely equivalent in most domestic policy (partially because Pence is influencing Trump). The main danger of Pence is normalization. If Pence becomes president, many people will relax and stop paying attention even as he gets plenty of terrible legislation passed. Trump's brand is the main thing keeping things from getting done in Congress. So what about the nukes? North Korea will likely have ICBMs during this term. How would Trump deal with them. The answer to this question decides whether or not I prefer Trump to Pence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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