Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1274

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Haste_2 posted...

The hilarious thing is that 1987 could end up almost equal with 1997 in the stats if 2001 keeps this up.

That would make me laugh.
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whatisurnameplz posted...

96 and 2000 have screwed up stats because of pic factor

and 1997 isn't getting screwed up by its pics?

feels like that's what you're trying to argue here
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LeonhartFour posted...

which is worse

CT + 3 Full Throttles

or FFVII + 7 Harvest Moons

Are the Harvest Moons HOT?
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oh man if 1997 comes back now it would be THE LARGEST COMEBACK of the contest
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LeonhartFour posted...

and 1997 isn't getting screwed up by its pics?

feels like that's what you're trying to argue here

2000 missing Pokemon hurts it a lot more than 97 missing GoldenEye.
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LeonhartFour posted...

if 1997 loses because we swapped MK64 for friggin' Diddy Kong Racing that would be insult to injury

DKR Was the far superior game though. Even if it's weaker.
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whatisurnameplz posted...

2000 missing Pokemon hurts it a lot more than 97 missing GoldenEye.

It doesn't hurt it more than GoldenEye AND Mario Kart 64 (G/S/C probably doesn't beat either game by much, if it does at all).

but you're trying to argue this result means 1995 could beat 1997 even though 1995 got a GREAT pic against 2001, which has a better pic this round than last, and 1997 has an awful pic
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whatisurnameplz posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

and 1997 isn't getting screwed up by its pics?

feels like that's what you're trying to argue here

2000 missing Pokemon hurts it a lot more than 97 missing GoldenEye.

The sad thing is, 2000 making it to later rounds still doesn't guarantee it would get Gold/Silver.
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FF7's problem is I don't think it's ever won a close match (within 51/49) in contest history. In 15 years of contests. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't remember one victory.
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whatisurnameplz posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

and 1997 isn't getting screwed up by its pics?

feels like that's what you're trying to argue here

2000 missing Pokemon hurts it a lot more than 97 missing GoldenEye.

You don't have to pick one or the other. Both 2000 and 1997 got screwed by their picture.
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red sox 777 posted...

FF7's problem is I don't think it's ever won a close match (within 51/49) in contest history. In 15 years of contests. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't remember one victory.

Sephiroth/Mega Man 2002

literally the first contest
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red sox 777 posted...

FF7's problem is I don't think it's ever won a close match (within 51/49) in contest history. In 15 years of contests. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't remember one victory.

Squall/Vincent?
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...yeah and Squall/Vincent

ugh Squall would beat Vincent easily now too
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I'm feeling better and better about 2001
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ya go my 2001
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Go 2001! Propel me to stardom!
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Might depend on what Vincent wears to the match.
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FFX is now the strongest FF game

that is what I will take away from this result if 2001 wins
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Might depend on what Vincent wears to the match.

Eh, he looked pretty awful in round 1 in 2013, too. The only FFVII character who doesn't seem to have dropped off over the last few years is Tifa, and I can think of a couple big reasons why that is.
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LeonhartFour posted...

whatisurnameplz posted...

2000 missing Pokemon hurts it a lot more than 97 missing GoldenEye.

It doesn't hurt it more than GoldenEye AND Mario Kart 64 (G/S/C probably doesn't beat either game by much, if it does at all).

but you're trying to argue this result means 1995 could beat 1997 even though 1995 got a GREAT pic against 2001, which has a better pic this round than last, and 1997 has an awful pic

Pokemon G/S and Diablo 2 > MK64 and Goldeneye. 2000 got hurt more. although i'm not really sure that means anything as it still probably loses to 97, just more respectably than 96 did.
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Xuxon posted...

Pokemon G/S and Diablo 2 > MK64 and Goldeneye

Again, I kinda doubt that. MK64 and GE007 are both pretty strong, and GE beat D2 head-to-head in 2015. At least, I don't think it's the decisive advantage to 2000 that people think. G/S/C is strong, sure, but it's still a few steps belong R/B/Y.
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At least this confirms Chrono Trigger > FF7
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red sox 777 posted...

FF7's problem is I don't think it's ever won a close match (within 51/49) in contest history. In 15 years of contests. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't remember one victory.

Seph/Missingno?
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oh ya Chrono Trigger
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Wait, people think FF7 has a bad match pic here? idgi. Like I saw FF7 and SotN and was like 'hum, ok', then I saw fallout, then star fox, then age of empires and I was like 'damn son, that's a mighty fine list' and voted for it. It's super versatile and has something for everyone.
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Xuxon posted...

red sox 777 posted...

FF7's problem is I don't think it's ever won a close match (within 51/49) in contest history. In 15 years of contests. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't remember one victory.

Seph/Missingno?

Seph got nearly 53%

Vincent got 51.5% against Crono in 2007 so that barely misses falling within that range, too.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Wait, people think FF7 has a bad match pic here? idgi. Like I saw FF7 and SotN and was like 'hum, ok', then I saw fallout, then star fox, then age of empires and I was like 'damn son, that's a mighty fine list' and voted for it. It's super versatile and has something for everyone.

Losing it's third and fourth is a pretty big deficit from last round, as it cuts into its Nintendo support big time.
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Go 2001! Smash Bros. Melee is my second fav game ever!

But if 1997 was winning, I would root for that year, too, because it has FF7, SotN, and Mario Kart 64... a dream combination, even if none of them is in my top two.

LeonhartFour posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Might depend on what Vincent wears to the match.

Eh, he looked pretty awful in round 1 in 2013, too. The only FFVII character who doesn't seem to have dropped off over the last few years is Tifa, and I can think of a couple big reasons why that is.

Yes. There is certainly at least one very "big" reason Tifa has only increased in strength. As for myself, I like Aeris more in terms of looks and personality.
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red sox 777 posted...

FF7's problem is I don't think it's ever won a close match (within 51/49) in contest history. In 15 years of contests. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't remember one victory.

Cloud/Samus in 2010 if 12 hour matches count.
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Why are people talking about pic sabotage?

Sure goldeneye should be in but still. It has ffvii in it. That's all yo need.

Even if both years had the best possible pics. It's a bad performance from 97. People were overhyping 97 becuase it beat what was an awful 96 year with literally one game of any note.

If people think goldeneye is making a big deal then they better hope 97 doesn't make the final becuase it will get absolutely walloped. 98 will literally make most all of 97's n64 support useless and crush 97.

2001 with its incredible depth will at least make it respectable. Might even hit 40. But I doubt it.
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HeroicSpiderPig posted...

Cloud/Samus in 2010 if 12 hour matches count.

Snake did better, and Cloud got 52-53% on both.

Percentage-wise, the win over Link in 2003 was his closest win ever.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Again, I kinda doubt that. MK64 and GE007 are both pretty strong, and GE beat D2 head-to-head in 2015. At least, I don't think it's the decisive advantage to 2000 that people think. G/S/C is strong, sure, but it's still a few steps belong R/B/Y.

http://www.thengamer.com/xstats/ranks.php?year=2015g

Look for yourself. GSC is definitely stronger than GoldenEye. It's stronger than FF9 for crying out loud. Diablo 2 isn't far behind Goldeneye too. You'd have to have a lot of faith in Mario Kart 64 to think mk64 and ge7 are stronger collectively.
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Claude is putting it in some Cloud ass.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

96 year with literally one game of any note.

weren't you just saying one really good game of note is all you need
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2001 has the 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th strongest games. 1997 has the 1st and 4th. Depth matters
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I actually voted for 97 for diddy Kong racing alone. 2001 is clearly the better year. But when I saw the DKR pic I couldn't resist. Love that game so much.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Xuxon posted...

red sox 777 posted...

FF7's problem is I don't think it's ever won a close match (within 51/49) in contest history. In 15 years of contests. Maybe I'm forgetting something but I can't remember one victory.

Seph/Missingno?

Seph got nearly 53%

Vincent got 51.5% against Crono in 2007 so that barely misses falling within that range, too.

speaking of Vincent and winning close matches, the Squall match actually qualifies for this. i guess you blocked that one from your memory.

or i just didn't read the topic. i blame not having my glasses on yet <_<
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LeonhartFour posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

96 year with literally one game of any note.

weren't you just saying one really good game of note is all you need

No you need a backup of stellar games. Unless your main game gets a shitty pic or is excluded. It's hard for a pic sabotage.

96 was just terrible. It would get beat by 91 92 94 and 95 with relative ease. 87 would also best it comfortably.
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I thought Cloud ended at like 53% against Samus.

Good catch on Seph/Megaman. All the way back in 2002 though......that's not so encouraging for FF7. I see Squall/Vincent too although that's FF7 vs. FF8 so it almost doesn't count.
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whatisurnameplz posted...

Look for yourself. GSC is definitely stronger than GoldenEye. It's stronger than FF9 for crying out loud. Diablo 2 isn't far behind Goldeneye too. You'd have to have a lot of faith in Mario Kart 64 to think mk64 and ge7 are stronger collectively.

I do have a lot of faith in MK64, actually. I think it'd be within GE's range.

Regardless, the point is that 2000's disadvantage isn't THAT much worse than 1997's here. If you think it cost 2000 the match (especially if you think 2000 wins easily), you should be willing to argue this is costing 1997 the match. Plus, Perfect Dark is still better than friggin' Age of Empires and Harvest Moon.
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Updated Top 10

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts
1. 1995 – 89.00% vs. 1986 – 11.00% - Round 1 – 78.00%
2. 1991 – 87.54% vs. 1988 – 12.46% - Round 1 – 75.08%
3. 1998 – 85.93% vs. 1993 – 14.07% - Round 1 – 71.76%
4. 2005 – 85.53% vs. 1978 – 14.47% - Wildcard – 71.06%
5. 1996 – 83.69% vs. 1989 – 16.31% - Round 1 – 67.38%
6. 2001 – 83.17% vs. 2014 – 16.83% - Round 1 – 66.34%
7. 1998 – 81.35% vs. 2003 – 18.65% - Round 3 – 62.70%
8. 2009 – 81.10% vs. 1979 – 18.90% – Wildcard – 62.20%
9. 1997 – 77.25% vs. 1999 – 22.75% - Round 1 – 54.50%
10. 2007 – 76.56% vs. 2012 – 23.44% - Round 1 – 53.12%

Top 10 Largest Vote Gaps
1. 1995 – 14966 vs. 1986 – 1849 – Round 1 – 13117
2. 1991 – 14850 vs. 1988 – 2114 – Round 1 – 12736
3. 1998 – 14822 vs. 1993 – 2427 – Round 1 – 12395
4. 1998 – 15764 vs. 2003 – 3614 – Round 3 – 12150
5. 2001 – 13966 vs. 2014 – 2826 – Round 1 – 11140
6. 1996 – 13583 vs. 1989 – 2648 – Round 1 – 10935
7. 2005 – 12343 vs. 1978 – 2088 – Wildcard – 10255
8. 2009 – 12792 vs. 1979 – 2978 – Wildcard – 9804
9. 1997 – 12363 vs. 1999 – 3640 – Round 1 – 8723
10. 1987 – 12549 vs. 1985 – 4319 – Round 1 – 8230

Top 10 Most Popular Polls
1. 2001 vs. 1995 – Round 3 – 19489
2. 1998 vs. 2003 – Round 3 – 19378
3. 1997 vs. 1996 – Round 3 – 19363
4. 1994 vs. 1991 – Round 3 – 18429
5. 1994 vs. 2004 – Round 1 – 17441
6. 1998 vs. 1993 – Round 1 – 17249
7. 2002 vs. 2010 – Round 1 – 17086
8. 1991 vs. 1988 – Round 1 – 16964
9. 2011 vs. 2006 – Round 1 – 16884
10. 1992 vs. 2016 – Round 1 – 16879

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes
1. 1998 – Round 3 – 15764
2. 1995 – Round 1 – 14966
3. 1991 – Round 1 – 14850
4. 1998 – Round 1 – 14822
5. 2001 – Round 1 – 13966
6. 1996 – Round 1 – 13583
7. 1997 – Round 3 – 13389
8. 2009 – Wildcard – 12782
9. 1987 – Round 1 – 12549
10. 1997 – Round 1 – 12363

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes
1. 1986 – Round 1 – 1849
2. 1978 – Wildcard – 2088
3. 1988 – Round 1 – 2114
4. 1993 – Round 1 – 2427
5. 1989 – Round 1- 2648
6. 2014 – Round 1 – 2826
7. 1979 – Wildcard – 2978
8. 2012 – Round 1 – 3573
9. 2003 – Round 3 – 3614
10. 1999 – Round 1 – 3640
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87 would not beat 96 comfortably.
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FFVII isn't gonna clutch every match. Nothing does that. MGS had the "clutch" reputation for a while and lost it to Shadow of the Colossus twice in a row. Mario has it occasionally but has also faltered, most notably against Vivi.

Even Zelda has fallen to rallies twice in a row, and OoT didn't even bother putting up a fight last time.
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2001 pushing for the decisive and probably insurmountable 100 vote lead.
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It's almost bizarre that 97's picture from last round is really the outlier, when it really should be the standard.

It might very well be the only time in this contest any year gets the ideal games in the ideal order. That's almost sad.
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Oh nevermind, ~53% against Samus must have become translated into 50.3% in my mind over the years.
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Frog is the one true "clutch."

3 wins by a combined 228 votes
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I will argue against anyone who thinks this isn't at least MAYBE costing 97 the match. Last round, 97 had a fucking murderer's row for 90s kids. That was gutted in place of stuff that no one on GameFAQs cares about or gets nostalgic for.
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Frog himself is clutch, but that certainly doesn't extend to all things CT.

MAGUS LOL
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Frog himself is clutch, but that certainly doesn't extend to all things CT.

MAGUS LOL

The only time Magus is reliable is when he shows up to the second round to cost Crono a match against Pikachu.
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