Board 8 > Chrono Cross Mafia End Game Topic

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Just in case anyway wants to talk still despite topic 5 near its end.
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Wanna reiterate how on point my reads were this game :P
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I feel like Ulti only wanted to lynch me due to Mercs 4, and if that didnt play out that game he would have been totally cool leashing me

And I was honest in the game, I just have been scum so much I didnt have the mental juice to do it right now, especially since I have been crazy busy. I just wanted to be town, knock off scum and kick some butt.
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And Ben I think you played pretty well day 1. Day 2 was okay as well, but that claim you made was... uh...


And yeah I think I would have had to consider rerolling the game. But then again Town was also against itself with numbers, so the way things shook out it was the right town to take on the right scum with the setup.

Also not bad going Shadow. You correctly directed the scum kill onto the SK. Thats actually pretty huge/
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Bus Driver jank

I played pretty shit but still
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Yeah i was really curious what kind of bus driver shenanigans we had going on night 1.

This game certainly illustrated how powerful bus driver can be as a role.

I thought the claim would make me look towny. As vanilla I always fake claim to try and help things, so if I was faking vanilla, I had to do the same. I intentionally looked on the wiki for a role that was a main character but hadnt been claimed yet, that way i could hopefully get counterclaimed. Since scum has a fake list, I thought perhaps claiming something in the game would make me look like less knowledgeable town. In a game where everyone was being confirmed I felt like I needed something more so that was that. I like to think it worked, because no one called me scum for it.

Also I think the game was balanced against town alltogether. Scum team just got really unlucky with two super successful bus drivers (Our intended target was changed every single night till Red died). Even avoided killing VI and other obvtown players early, so that we could avoid power roles stopping it, but for some reason the bus drivers just drove right along with us on the Scare and Nana kills. o__o
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Also I wish we had an archive to show how much scum bussed each other and a bunch of moments where they tipped their hands/slipped.

I was reading back the game the night terra died and it was very interesting.

Should have bumped the topics but i dont like doing so as a living player(it is in scums best interest for things to purge, usually)

Not to throw anyone under the bus but we were going to shoot Oddity N2 originally. We only needed 1 mislynch to win at that point.
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ScareChan posted...

Also not bad going Shadow. You correctly directed the scum kill onto the SK. Thats actually pretty huge/

And yeah I think killing the SK night 1 was a big game shifter. So good job to both Shadow and Red!
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pjbasis posted...

Not to throw anyone under the bus but we were going to shoot Oddity N2 originally. We only needed 1 mislynch to win at that point.

I had the same debate about what i should do n2, oddity was the safe play. If doctor was flipped and not janitored i would bus oddity guaranteed for safety. I sent a big long message with my thoughts night 2 to help sort my own mindset. I'll post it when i get home.

heres my PM from night 2.

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Forgive the typing, I'm trying to sort this out and have nothing to talk to but a wall and I'm trying to talk myself into something.

So scum has actions that should be fairly obvious, they should roleblock oddity and shoot nana. With a bus driver, town usually shouldn't have a doctor, but with an SK in this setup, doctor feels necessary. Doctor might be thinking all the same things I am thinking which kind of messes things up. The safe play for me is to swap Oddity like our previous driver should have done(Which, even if Oddity were scum, would have prevented a roleblocked claim from being feasible). Hell maybe Oddity was lying, since Scare apparently made up the scan to seem useful too, but I don't have reason to believe this yet.

Both of them are unproven, but Nana seems more believable. Again, the right play, if I were scum would be block oddity shoot nana, but I may be crazy and they may do the reverse. Knowing this, and knowing PJ is probably scum(Nana is an idiot, but likely town at this point), I want to swap one of them to PJ. The only problem, what if we have a vigilante and I'm being stupid. Maybe they decide to take the shot at PJ and I **** us and kill town. So maybe I should gamble and try to swap elsewhere. I feel like nana might have information more useful than oddity, which means I should protect him with a swap, but...ugh.

I'm easing my concerns because town should not have a vigilante in a game with a 3 man scumteam. Especially since I could have evolved into a vigi if they somehow died first(Town having 2 kills vs a 3 man team is way way too OP). Not to mention an SK around to further decimate their team.

Screw it, lets go for it.

Bus Nana and PJ
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eaedwards6400 posted...

The game had an extremely powerful town too. The theme was meant for chaos. Also, the hope with the Survivor was to be more town than anti-town with his cop scan.

yeah sorry
but no
this was my main beef with your setup Eaed, alongside a lot of other problems

why make me a godfather when the cop isnt even on towns side?

Balance was f***ed for both sides, making it unfair for one side inevitably and town was just lucky enough to be it. there was too much confirmability in such a small game

not that the scumteam did any better itself
PJ and Sheep branded themselves, nameplz didnt help his case either and Ben decided to shoot Nana instead of Oddity when it mattered the most

not to mention, fulltime busdriver AND PGO Backup is just rude
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to rephrase
this game was too antitown so to compensate it was also too antiscum
and in the end scum doesnt benefit as much since 2 of the antitowns are independent

it could have gone either way, but skill didnt have everything to do with it
(nice busses tho)
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There were limited uses on both the thief and the bus driver, death... Godfather would be innocent for Scare. And the thief's items for the Godfather were so generic to not useful.
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fun game to read. day 2 was a fun read. kudos.

Mzero was very obvtown but you guys did need to cut into that situation. I'll leave it at that for now.

I read pj as town for being so uncooperative.

The replace of whatis seemed very obvscum. I was actually tempted to jump in but I was 99% sure it wasn't a town role.

Survivor just isn't a great role for us, especially with our flavor meta. It's an anit-player role in our community.
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my point stands
an independent cop is just not as dangerous to scum as a normal towncop
you saw what happened, people questioned whether or not Scare was even lying about Oddity
would have made more sense to make the cop town and thief or tracker or anything independent
(heck the two millers were basically vanillas too)

but I missed the fact that busdrivers get just 2 uses
still seems gross to me that a busdriver gets more than one shot at all when there's also a doc and backup out there, but ehh

again, balance seems fine on paper, but in practise it could only have ended in chaos
thats what you were going for maybe, but it wasnt a fun game for me
a game shouldnt become unwinnable after one mistake (that said, it was a BIG mistake)
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red13n posted...

heres my PM from night 2.

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Forgive the typing, I'm trying to sort this out and have nothing to talk to but a wall and I'm trying to talk myself into something.

So scum has actions that should be fairly obvious, they should roleblock oddity and shoot nana. With a bus driver, town usually shouldn't have a doctor, but with an SK in this setup, doctor feels necessary. Doctor might be thinking all the same things I am thinking which kind of messes things up. The safe play for me is to swap Oddity like our previous driver should have done(Which, even if Oddity were scum, would have prevented a roleblocked claim from being feasible). Hell maybe Oddity was lying, since Scare apparently made up the scan to seem useful too, but I don't have reason to believe this yet.

Both of them are unproven, but Nana seems more believable. Again, the right play, if I were scum would be block oddity shoot nana, but I may be crazy and they may do the reverse. Knowing this, and knowing PJ is probably scum(Nana is an idiot, but likely town at this point), I want to swap one of them to PJ. The only problem, what if we have a vigilante and I'm being stupid. Maybe they decide to take the shot at PJ and I **** us and kill town. So maybe I should gamble and try to swap elsewhere. I feel like nana might have information more useful than oddity, which means I should protect him with a swap, but...ugh.

I'm easing my concerns because town should not have a vigilante in a game with a 3 man scumteam. Especially since I could have evolved into a vigi if they somehow died first(Town having 2 kills vs a 3 man team is way way too OP). Not to mention an SK around to further decimate their team.

Screw it, lets go for it.

Bus Nana and PJ

Thanks man >.>
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Yeah survivor is pretty bad. Nobody really enjoys playing it and it doesn't really fit or help balance a game.
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Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

heres my PM from night 2.

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Forgive the typing, I'm trying to sort this out and have nothing to talk to but a wall and I'm trying to talk myself into something.

So scum has actions that should be fairly obvious, they should roleblock oddity and shoot nana. With a bus driver, town usually shouldn't have a doctor, but with an SK in this setup, doctor feels necessary. Doctor might be thinking all the same things I am thinking which kind of messes things up. The safe play for me is to swap Oddity like our previous driver should have done(Which, even if Oddity were scum, would have prevented a roleblocked claim from being feasible). Hell maybe Oddity was lying, since Scare apparently made up the scan to seem useful too, but I don't have reason to believe this yet.

Both of them are unproven, but Nana seems more believable. Again, the right play, if I were scum would be block oddity shoot nana, but I may be crazy and they may do the reverse. Knowing this, and knowing PJ is probably scum(Nana is an idiot, but likely town at this point), I want to swap one of them to PJ. The only problem, what if we have a vigilante and I'm being stupid. Maybe they decide to take the shot at PJ and I **** us and kill town. So maybe I should gamble and try to swap elsewhere. I feel like nana might have information more useful than oddity, which means I should protect him with a swap, but...ugh.

I'm easing my concerns because town should not have a vigilante in a game with a 3 man scumteam. Especially since I could have evolved into a vigi if they somehow died first(Town having 2 kills vs a 3 man team is way way too OP). Not to mention an SK around to further decimate their team.

Screw it, lets go for it.

Bus Nana and PJ

Thanks man >.>

Lol, this is how I felt most of the game. Not saying I played great but it was incredibly frustrating reading you town while drawing fire from you and terra constantly.
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Thought town was screwed but you played well.

Good job.
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The MZero lynch was horrible, but if it's what you had to do to play the rest of the game that well then it was worth it.
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On a side note, my entire meta about pj being scum was based on my role (Poshul) and Whatsurname's fakeclaim (Funguy).

SO im glad that happened >.>
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Look I wouldn't have lynched MZero if I didn't have a Night 0 scan on Ulti ok

It was becoming too much of a problem with them going after each other too and making things hard to move elsewhere
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I get it. Most of the blame really is on MZero/Ulti for both being so focused on it. Nothing wrong with 2 millers.
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Although Ulti being a dick post game when he really did do absolutely nothing (and had a flavor scan similar to Dario) disappoints me and made me wish I sided with MZero.

It's all good though if Ulti wants to burn his last bridge in the community he can go ahead
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It was a Bell Flower so you wouldn't be sure if it was Riddel or Dario... Thus the miller.
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Man eaedwards I love you but I'm still trying to figure out how Town actually won with this setup

Guess it was just the right power roles and the right night actions
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So that was a very bad game for me. I hadn't played board 8 mafia in two years so I was very out of practice and knew jacks*** about the meta and how each player acted as town or scum. I also didn't play scum in forever (i only played it once and scum got very lucky that game with their night actions and won in two days) so I really had no idea what to do, scum also didn't have any really experienced scum players to help us out much. I asked for a replace because this game ended up being a lot more of a time commitment than I could handle and I didn't really want me thinking about this game all the time to ruin my last few days in college and my graduation.

I might play mafia again but I'm not sure because I think it's played at too high of a level here for me to really have any fun cuz I'll suck no matter what side I'm on. Someone should make another newbie mafia.
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VeryInsane posted...

Man eaedwards I love you but I'm still trying to figure out how Town actually won with this setup

Guess it was just the right power roles and the right night actions

My PM Inbox was incredible. There was a time where this thought was coming for each faction type. "I don't know how Scum is going to win", "I don't know Town is going to win.", etc.

Overall, it's almost hilarious the game last as long as it did.
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VeryInsane posted...

Although Ulti being a dick post game when he really did do absolutely nothing

Didn't read a single post of the game and I knew this would happen
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The balance was definitely a little wonky, but trust me, it was a lot worse at first.

It was 3-1-1, with mafia only having RB and GF, with town having unlimited use Doc/BD/Thief/Watcher with a universal backup and a (separate) PGO.

I suggested changing the survivor into a BP Mafia and adding Janitor to the team. Also suggested limiting town power and adding a second miller. He sort of listened? :)
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whatisurnameplz posted...

So that was a very bad game for me. I hadn't played board 8 mafia in two years so I was very out of practice and knew jacks*** about the meta and how each player acted as town or scum. I also didn't play scum in forever (i only played it once and scum got very lucky that game with their night actions and won in two days) so I really had no idea what to do, scum also didn't have any really experienced scum players to help us out much. I asked for a replace because this game ended up being a lot more of a time commitment than I could handle and I didn't really want me thinking about this game all the time to ruin my last few days in college and my graduation.

I might play mafia again but I'm not sure because I think it's played at too high of a level here for me to really have any fun cuz I'll suck no matter what side I'm on. Someone should make another newbie mafia.

Memba when I said this dude was scum day 1 cuz his reasonings made no sense
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Early stop post by ulti was questionably modkillable.
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Well Corrik's post had a "don't come back here" vibe to it.
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Oddity posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

heres my PM from night 2.

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Forgive the typing, I'm trying to sort this out and have nothing to talk to but a wall and I'm trying to talk myself into something.

So scum has actions that should be fairly obvious, they should roleblock oddity and shoot nana. With a bus driver, town usually shouldn't have a doctor, but with an SK in this setup, doctor feels necessary. Doctor might be thinking all the same things I am thinking which kind of messes things up. The safe play for me is to swap Oddity like our previous driver should have done(Which, even if Oddity were scum, would have prevented a roleblocked claim from being feasible). Hell maybe Oddity was lying, since Scare apparently made up the scan to seem useful too, but I don't have reason to believe this yet.

Both of them are unproven, but Nana seems more believable. Again, the right play, if I were scum would be block oddity shoot nana, but I may be crazy and they may do the reverse. Knowing this, and knowing PJ is probably scum(Nana is an idiot, but likely town at this point), I want to swap one of them to PJ. The only problem, what if we have a vigilante and I'm being stupid. Maybe they decide to take the shot at PJ and I **** us and kill town. So maybe I should gamble and try to swap elsewhere. I feel like nana might have information more useful than oddity, which means I should protect him with a swap, but...ugh.

I'm easing my concerns because town should not have a vigilante in a game with a 3 man scumteam. Especially since I could have evolved into a vigi if they somehow died first(Town having 2 kills vs a 3 man team is way way too OP). Not to mention an SK around to further decimate their team.

Screw it, lets go for it.

Bus Nana and PJ

Thanks man >.>

Lol, this is how I felt most of the game. Not saying I played great but it was incredibly frustrating reading you town while drawing fire from you and terra constantly.

It was simple for me.

If you're scum, I should be going hard at your claim because you're scum. Going hard at you has the potential to draw a shot and that's positive because I'm vanilla.

If you're town, going hard at you makes it a town on town situation, and as you are power, it makes it difficult for scum to assess whether they should shoot you or not [as someone who is "confirmed" town doesn't trust you.] see: night 2.
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Topic 1: https://logfaqs.com/topic.php?id=75326137
Topic 2: https://logfaqs.com/topic.php?id=75329954
Topic 3: https://logfaqs.com/topic.php?id=75333039
Topic 4: https://logfaqs.com/topic.php?id=75339597
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I did think nameplz was scum, before I realized it was him that I was replacing
ah well
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htaeD posted...

I did think nameplz was scum, before I realized it was him that I was replacing
ah well

The game changes a ton if you replace first. You as Survivor cop, me as scum the game is waves different
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yeah I dont think I would have claimed survivor, lol
in the end that hurt scum too
unless you never planned on scanning me
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that said, the well was already poisoned by nameplz
hope he doesnt give up on the game after this tho, he seemed swamped
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After how the last two games went I think I've downloaded scum Scare enough to just kill him Day 2
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