Poll of the Day > Islam is a religion of peace

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chaosbowser posted...

OhhhJa posted...

adjl posted...

That is really the biggest thing, which people seem to forget. The Middle East is extremely politically unstable right now, and it's political instability that breeds radicalism, not any particular religion

I agree that this bears a large portion of the blame but not nearly all of it. If the region were dominated by Christianity I believe we'd see vastly different results. Mainly, bc there's no verse telling you to murder non believers (or the more derogatory term, infidel). Not to mention, we're finding now that many Muslims that grew up in developed countries are orchestrating these attacks as well

You're funny. Try cracking open a european history book. It's literally christian vs christian wars and christian instigated wars on muslims for centuries.

Ohhh that argument again... nice try

sure Christians caused a lot of death and misery throughout history but how many of them are doing that TODAY?
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OhhhJa posted...

chaosbowser posted...

OhhhJa posted...

adjl posted...

That is really the biggest thing, which people seem to forget. The Middle East is extremely politically unstable right now, and it's political instability that breeds radicalism, not any particular religion

I agree that this bears a large portion of the blame but not nearly all of it. If the region were dominated by Christianity I believe we'd see vastly different results. Mainly, bc there's no verse telling you to murder non believers (or the more derogatory term, infidel). Not to mention, we're finding now that many Muslims that grew up in developed countries are orchestrating these attacks as well

You're funny. Try cracking open a european history book. It's literally christian vs christian wars and christian instigated wars on muslims for centuries.

Ohhh that argument again... nice try

An argument that proves you're wrong? It's been historically recorded that christianity is very violent in politically unstable regions.
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adjl posted...

In some ways, you could make that argument. You should elaborate on that analogy, because you might actually have a pretty insightful point. That, or you're just noting the superficial similarity and not actually thinking about it at all, but I'll still invite you to build on it.

Well I thought it'd be pretty obvious. To say "all lives matter" when the phrase "black lives matter" is used, it's saying there isn't anything special there, you're just making a mountain out of a molehill for the sake of conflict. The point of the #BLM movement is to point out that racist police are handling situations with black suspects more aggressively and violently than they might against a non-black suspect, which does have data to back it up, depending on which police department you look at.

Likewise, declaring all faiths as unruly when the argument that Islamic radicals are the ones who act out violently is just trying to diminish the inordinate amount of Islamic-based aggression towards civilians by claiming other faiths are just as volatile, which at this time is not the case.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

sure Christians caused a lot of death and misery throughout history but how many of them are doing that TODAY?

If you go back throughout history, it turns out nearly all groups of people murdered people. So... I guess that means we should bury our head in the sand and pretend it's ok that people are getting blown up by muslim extremists now? We gotta pretend that they aren't muslim?

I don't see a problem with speaking out against a particular ideology provided it doesn't transition into hating all followers of that ideology without cause.

In short:

adjl posted...

Don't look at what's available to be preached, look at what people do.

Is half right. Do look at what's being preached and do condemn it if you think it's wrong, but don't hate people who say they're of that religion who aren't doing anything wrong.

Can post shota with no penalty - loli gets instant suspension.
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Lokarin posted...

Can post shota with no penalty - loli gets instant suspension.

when all of a sudden, this post outta no where XD
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Lokarin posted...

Can post shota with no penalty - loli gets instant suspension.

The system is sexist against males!
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Solid Sonic posted...

adjl posted...

In some ways, you could make that argument. You should elaborate on that analogy, because you might actually have a pretty insightful point. That, or you're just noting the superficial similarity and not actually thinking about it at all, but I'll still invite you to build on it.

Well I thought it'd be pretty obvious. To say "all lives matter" when the phrase "black lives matter" is used, it's saying there isn't anything special there, you're just making a mountain out of a molehill for the sake of conflict. The point of the #BLM movement is to point out that racist police are handling situations with black suspects more aggressively and violently than they might against a non-black suspect, which does have data to back it up, depending on which police department you look at.

Likewise, declaring all faiths as unruly when the argument that Islamic radicals are the ones who act out violently is just trying to diminish the inordinate amount of Islamic-based aggression towards civilians by claiming other faiths are just as volatile, which at this time is not the case.

That's not what's being said, though. "All religions have violent stuff in them" is usually a response to people suggesting that Islam is somehow inherently more violent than other religions, which in turn is usually being used to promote some sort of regulatory measure that will affect all Muslims, or to justify hatred and fear. It is meant to be dismissive, because the "Islam is inherently violent" position is one that should be dismissed. Just as with every other faith, no matter what violent ideals are lurking in the book, the majority of its practitioners practice it peacefully.

Radical Islam is indeed associated with a large number of terrorist attacks in today's world, but solving that entails focusing on the radical part, not the Islam part. Focusing on the Islam part will result in measures far too non-specific to help, and will hurt a great many innocent people.

OhhhJa posted...

I agree that this bears a large portion of the blame but not nearly all of it. If the region were dominated by Christianity I believe we'd see vastly different results. Mainly, bc there's no verse telling you to murder non believers (or the more derogatory term, infidel).

You'd probably see more stoning than beheading, but that's about the only difference. These people want to be violent, and they'll latch on to any excuse they can find. They don't need a specific verse to encourage them.

OhhhJa posted...

Not to mention, we're finding now that many Muslims that grew up in developed countries are orchestrating these attacks as well

We live in a world where propaganda's extremely easy to distribute across country lines. A Muslim doesn't have to actually live in an unstable Middle Eastern region to be convinced that the Western world is out to get them. That's actually really easy to do these days, courtesy of the rise in Islamophobic sentiments. Fear and hatred are the opposite of how you want to approach an ideological war, because that's not how you win over hearts and minds.
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adjl posted...

chaosbowser posted...

I don't know about Pastafarians doe.

Pastafarianism is just Trolling: The Religion. It exists solely for the purpose of mocking other religions, so counting it's pretty questionable.

Religion is like the old poet proverb. The easiest way to annoy a poet is to be another poet. If pastarafianism is a simple spoof then it can't possibly be trolling when being anything but the same religion as the other guy/girl seems to be the most common and tried and true way to do so.

Also pastafiarian activities tend to be more about including than excluding. besides, keep in mind there was a time when Christianity was considered a "non" religion.
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All religions have a bad habit of violence, however Islam is the only major religion that hasn't evolved from that.
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adjl posted...

That's actually really easy to do these days, courtesy of the rise in Islamophobic sentiments

It's not irrational to fear a group of people who continually bomb innocent children on a weekly basis

Kyuubi4269 posted...

All religions have a bad habit of violence, however Islam is the only major religion that hasn't evolved from that.

Yeah fuck those violent Buddhists.
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No, not all religions preach the need to convert others, that's patently false. I consider the religions that put an impetus to convert others to be the worst, it always leads to forcing people to convert or die at worst and being an annoying pushy jerk at best. Yes, that includes Christianity. Leave me alone, I don't need you to "save me" or force your book of myths down my throat by encoding its proclamations into laws. If your religion leaves me the fuck alone, I don't mind it.

In any case, what this boils down to is that Christianity had an "Enlightenment" period where people gradually learned to not take that shit so seriously. Islam has not had such a movement, and it needs one badly.

adjl posted...

Solid Sonic posted...

chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

This is like saying "All lives matter" in response to "Black lives matter".

In some ways, you could make that argument. You should elaborate on that analogy, because you might actually have a pretty insightful point. That, or you're just noting the superficial similarity and not actually thinking about it at all, but I'll still invite you to build on it.

While all lives of course matter, people saying Black Lives Matter are trying to create a discourse about a specific problem that's especially in need of addressing.

While most (not all...) religions are violent, some are far more violent than others. Currently, Islam in particular is the source of the vast majority of religious-inspired acts of violence and terror and it's a serious problem that needs to be addressed, so making the empty platitude and false equivalence that since other religions are all violent, they're equally so is just a ploy to kill the discussion.

There.

This whole idea that we should incriminate a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority of those people is the same mentality that the same minority of people have when they attack large, innocent groups of people.

As a whole we need to stop condemning and start understanding. We need to stop excluding and start including. We need to stop segregating and start congregating.
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The fact you have to cut out huge swaths of many religious texts to make them peaceful means the extremists are technically following the doctrine more closely. Peace is a misinterpretation the good people choose to embrace.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

This whole idea that we should incriminate a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority of those people is the same mentality that the same minority of people have when they attack large, innocent groups of people.

As a whole we need to stop condemning and start understanding. We need to stop excluding and start including. We need to stop segregating and start congregating.

The rest of the population coddles, shields, and/or enables them. Majorities of Muslims in supposedly "moderate Muslim countries" still support the most insane shit their holy book says, like stoning adulterers.

streamofthesky posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

This whole idea that we should incriminate a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority of those people is the same mentality that the same minority of people have when they attack large, innocent groups of people.

As a whole we need to stop condemning and start understanding. We need to stop excluding and start including. We need to stop segregating and start congregating.

The rest of the population coddles, shields, and/or enables them. Majorities of Muslims in supposedly "moderate Muslim countries" still support the most insane shit their holy book says, like stoning adulterers.

And most westerners act like cheating is an innocent act while we condemn terminally ill patients for smoking weed. All are symptoms of the same problem.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

This whole idea that we should incriminate a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority of those people is the same mentality that the same minority of people have when they attack large, innocent groups of people.

As a whole we need to stop condemning and start understanding. We need to stop excluding and start including. We need to stop segregating and start congregating.

The rest of the population coddles, shields, and/or enables them. Majorities of Muslims in supposedly "moderate Muslim countries" still support the most insane shit their holy book says, like stoning adulterers.

And most westerners act like cheating is an innocent act while we condemn terminally ill patients for smoking weed. All are symptoms of the same problem.

1. Uh...no...we just "act" like cheating doesn't warrant a death penalty
2. Seriously, wtf? Just going to randomly pick things to criticize about this country now to excuse Muslims' literal interpretation of their religion?

streamofthesky posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

This whole idea that we should incriminate a whole group of people based on the actions of a minority of those people is the same mentality that the same minority of people have when they attack large, innocent groups of people.

As a whole we need to stop condemning and start understanding. We need to stop excluding and start including. We need to stop segregating and start congregating.

The rest of the population coddles, shields, and/or enables them. Majorities of Muslims in supposedly "moderate Muslim countries" still support the most insane shit their holy book says, like stoning adulterers.

And most westerners act like cheating is an innocent act while we condemn terminally ill patients for smoking weed. All are symptoms of the same problem.

1. Uh...no...we just "act" like cheating doesn't warrant a death penalty
2. Seriously, wtf? Just going to randomly pick things to criticize about this country now to excuse Muslims' literal interpretation of their religion?

Yup, arguing with bigots is pointless. You're always going to find a reason to hate an entire group because that's what you do, hate and hate some more.
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