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scar the 1
05/27/17 9:02:09 AM
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Like, there are guys who literally try to remove the condom during sex without the girl noticing. Then there are guys who nag and nag and nag about not using a condom. And there are guys who never happen to bring condoms, and try to persuade girls into having penetrative sex. Etc. And often guys are bigger/stronger than the girls, or the girls feel pressured into having sex because "otherwise he'll think I'm boring" or "otherwise he won't like me" or "otherwise he'll get mad".
These are all some different flavors of unprotected sex where the girl might actually have wanted to have protected sex.

Yet when pro-life is discussed, no responsibility is put on the man? It's only the woman's fault that she had unprotected sex? And she's the only one who has to suffer for it? I feel like there are a lot of people who refuse to acknowledge that the issue is a bit more nuanced than "she chose to have unprotected sex, her fault, end of story". Like, it almost seems like men aren't shamed for having unprotected sex, but women are??? I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud!
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dragnmaninferno
05/27/17 9:03:37 AM
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EbonTitanium
05/27/17 9:05:01 AM
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Women also have the power to say "No".
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foreveraIone
05/27/17 9:16:13 AM
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Citation needed
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frozenshock
05/27/17 9:17:02 AM
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Also there are brands of condoms that break easily. For example, a guy who buys a durex condom is just asking for it because with the least amount of thrusting strength, as soon as there is not enough lubrication it breaks.

So it can be subtle like that, just by buying a brand that breaks easily.

Magnum brand almost never breaks. If a guy knows this and still buys durex, it's just being dishonest.
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scar the 1
05/27/17 9:21:19 AM
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EbonTitanium posted...
Women also have the power to say "No".

They do! But that's not really respected a lot of the time. That's the thing, if you're afraid that saying no will make them hurt you/angry with you/other repercussions, then it's not so easy to just say no.

foreveraIone posted...
Citation needed

You're free to believe me, or disbelieve me. My advice is listen to women's stories. That should be a good start!
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Twin3Turbo
05/27/17 9:22:38 AM
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My personal experience is that every girl that I've had sex with multiple times has suggested to me that I could not use a condom if I didn't want to.

I refuse though every time, IDGAF, I'm not risking a baby. No can do.
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The Admiral
05/27/17 9:24:18 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
EbonTitanium posted...
Women also have the power to say "No".

They do! But that's not really respected a lot of the time.


Well at that point the man becomes a rapist, so I don't agree with how cavalierly you state this as a common thing, short of providing some legitimate statistics.
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bobaban
05/27/17 9:44:50 AM
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I've noticed the opposite, women are the ones telling me not to use a condom especially if its not the first time we've had sex. They say there clean and on BC too. I still use one, unless its in the morning and she gets me while I'm basically sleeping
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emblem boy
05/27/17 9:48:45 AM
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frozenshock posted...
Also there are brands of condoms that break easily. For example, a guy who buys a durex condom is just asking for it because with the least amount of thrusting strength, as soon as there is not enough lubrication it breaks.

So it can be subtle like that, just by buying a brand that breaks easily.

Magnum brand almost never breaks. If a guy knows this and still buys durex, it's just being dishonest.



Is there proof of this? Last I heard, brands didn't matter
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Sativa_Rose
05/27/17 9:52:38 AM
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These guys are friggin jackasses
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yanksfan4247
05/27/17 9:59:03 AM
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Durex fine. I fucking hate magnums. Fucking smells like a rubber factory when your done.
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Awesome
05/27/17 10:15:11 AM
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its because deep down nature in all humans wants impregnation. if a girl really loves you shell beg you to not use a condom.
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booboy
05/27/17 10:16:27 AM
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I've always just used Trojan.
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orcus_snake
05/27/17 10:22:11 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Like, there are guys who literally try to remove the condom during sex without the girl noticing. Then there are guys who nag and nag and nag about not using a condom. And there are guys who never happen to bring condoms, and try to persuade girls into having penetrative sex. Etc. And often guys are bigger/stronger than the girls, or the girls feel pressured into having sex because "otherwise he'll think I'm boring" or "otherwise he won't like me" or "otherwise he'll get mad".
These are all some different flavors of unprotected sex where the girl might actually have wanted to have protected sex.

Yet when pro-life is discussed, no responsibility is put on the man? It's only the woman's fault that she had unprotected sex? And she's the only one who has to suffer for it? I feel like there are a lot of people who refuse to acknowledge that the issue is a bit more nuanced than "she chose to have unprotected sex, her fault, end of story". Like, it almost seems like men aren't shamed for having unprotected sex, but women are??? I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud!


I mean the whole pro-choice tagline is "my body my choice" and the guy has no say if they were both willing to have a child but she suddenly changes her mind, ingerent pros and cons are bound to have issues.

also, water is wet.
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tremain07
05/27/17 10:33:12 AM
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This is why all sexul intercourse needs a contract signed, Chappel had it right.
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DifferentialEquation
05/27/17 10:37:50 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Yet when pro-life is discussed, no responsibility is put on the man? It's only the woman's fault that she had unprotected sex? And she's the only one who has to suffer for it? I feel like there are a lot of people who refuse to acknowledge that the issue is a bit more nuanced than "she chose to have unprotected sex, her fault, end of story". Like, it almost seems like men aren't shamed for having unprotected sex, but women are??? I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud!


There is responsibility put on the man; that's why child-support exists. But, excluding cases of rape, women are ultimately the ones with all the power and control over whether or a child is conceived in the first place.
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teepan95
05/27/17 10:41:52 AM
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Imo, if a girl has unprotected sex with a dude because "otherwise he'll think I'm boring" or "otherwise he won't like me", she's too emotionally immature to be having sex.

I agree with the rest of the post tho
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scar the 1
05/27/17 11:04:07 AM
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The Admiral posted...
scar the 1 posted...
EbonTitanium posted...
Women also have the power to say "No".

They do! But that's not really respected a lot of the time.


Well at that point the man becomes a rapist, so I don't agree with how cavalierly you state this as a common thing, short of providing some legitimate statistics.

"Not respected" doesn't necessarily mean "forcing himself upon her". It could also mean that the guy keeps insisting, or holds it against her later, gets angry, etc. But I'm impressed at your views on consent! Very progressive coming from you :)
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scar the 1
05/27/17 11:05:03 AM
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teepan95 posted...
Imo, if a girl has unprotected sex with a dude because "otherwise he'll think I'm boring" or "otherwise he won't like me", she's too emotionally immature to be having sex.

IMO, if guys keep getting angry at or dismiss girls who don't put out exactly the way they want to, we shouldn't blame women for it.
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weapon_d00d816
05/27/17 11:09:40 AM
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Condoms suck. You might as well pretend you're a lesbian with a strap-on.
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Twin3Turbo
05/27/17 11:15:51 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
teepan95 posted...
Imo, if a girl has unprotected sex with a dude because "otherwise he'll think I'm boring" or "otherwise he won't like me", she's too emotionally immature to be having sex.

IMO, if guys keep getting angry at or dismiss girls who don't put out exactly the way they want to, we shouldn't blame women for it.

Thats not really "blaming women" for it. We can shame men for being overly aggressive all we want, and perhaps we should. That has nothing to do with the emotional maturity of the woman in the scenario however. At the end of the day, she has to handle it. She has to be willing to do say no. She has to be willing to do whats in her best interest regardless of pressure from the other party. That's exactly what both me and the poster of #9 have done in the reverse scenario and we are simply holding them to the same standard.
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scar the 1
05/27/17 11:48:31 AM
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Twin3Turbo posted...
scar the 1 posted...
teepan95 posted...
Imo, if a girl has unprotected sex with a dude because "otherwise he'll think I'm boring" or "otherwise he won't like me", she's too emotionally immature to be having sex.

IMO, if guys keep getting angry at or dismiss girls who don't put out exactly the way they want to, we shouldn't blame women for it.

Thats not really "blaming women" for it. We can shame men for being overly aggressive all we want, and perhaps we should. That has nothing to do with the emotional maturity of the woman in the scenario however. At the end of the day, she has to handle it. She has to be willing to do say no. She has to be willing to do whats in her best interest regardless of pressure from the other party. That's exactly what both me and the poster of #9 have done in the reverse scenario and we are simply holding them to the same standard.

I'm not sure you fully appreciate the pressure in such a situation. You could be intimate with someone you really like, or even love, and know full well that saying no could ruin things for weeks, or forever. Calling attention to the woman's emotional maturity instead of the guy's feels misguided to me. One is putting the other in a difficult situation. Saying that someone is too immature to be having sex if she can't handle a difficult situation optimally sounds like making excuses for the bad behavior.
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Hadoken92
05/27/17 11:49:23 AM
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Fuck her raw, that's the law.
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Sativa_Rose
05/27/17 11:50:35 AM
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I saw this in an amateur porn where the guy pulls out and then pulls off the condom and then continues to bang her doggy style. It might have been scripted but it didn't look like it
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REMercsChamp
05/27/17 11:58:41 AM
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Twin3Turbo
05/27/17 12:09:43 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
I'm not sure you fully appreciate the pressure in such a situation

I really do. Every time I've been asked, after my initial answer of "no", they pressured to some degree. Maybe not as much as a typical male might, I dunno since I don't date males, but there was a bit of pressure. Everything from "Are you sure", to "why not?" to "just this once". It does indeed get a bit awkward and uncomfortable as I have to sit there and explain that I'm just not comfortable with it.

scar the 1 posted...
You could be intimate with someone you really like, or even love, and know full well that saying no could ruin things for weeks, or forever.

Same situation with me. I had to accept that my "no" answer might change things. It's a chance I'm willing to take though.Thus far, it ultimately hasn't really changed anything though, they just respect my wishes. But if a girl decided she never wanted to see me again, I would just deal with it and move on.

scar the 1 posted...
Calling attention to the woman's emotional maturity instead of the guy's feels misguided to me. One is putting the other in a difficult situation. Saying that someone is too immature to be having sex if she can't handle a difficult situation optimally sounds like making excuses for the bad behavior.

As stated previously, if you want to shame the party applying pressure in this scenario, I don't really mind at all. All I'm trying to show that this is a somewhat common situation and people need to be ready to deal with it in the way that they are comfortable. If you can't deal with it, then that's a good indicator that you shouldn't be engaging in the activity, male or female. This doesn't take the party applying pressure off the hook necessarily.
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scar the 1
05/27/17 12:17:26 PM
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Twin3Turbo posted...
All I'm trying to show that this is a somewhat common situation and people need to be ready to deal with it in the way that they are comfortable. If you can't deal with it, then that's a good indicator that you shouldn't be engaging in the activity, male or female. This doesn't take the party applying pressure off the hook necessarily.

And my point is that that is a separate discussion often serving as a deflection from the aggressor.
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Twin3Turbo
05/27/17 12:19:53 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
And my point is that that is a separate discussion often serving as a deflection from the aggressor.


Alright fair enough.
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