Current Events > Why are stricter voter ID laws bad?

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I'll never understand why libs think this?
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You ever try looking into why they keep on getting overturned?
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Because it's done on purpose to diminish black votes as much as possible
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yah, my country has those laws, but they weren't made in order to

frozenshock posted...

diminish black votes as much as possible

like they are in america
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I've seen some liberals claim that only certain people should be allowed to vote, but then later on I see other liberals get upset at the idea of voter ID laws.

So I'm not really sure what the majority opinion among them is.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

I've seen some liberals claim that only certain people should be allowed to vote,

Which people are they suggesting?
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frozenshock posted...

Because it's done on purpose to diminish black votes as much as possible

Source?
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

I've seen some liberals claim that only certain people should be allowed to vote,

Which people are they suggesting?

What does it matter?

Usually it's something like people who are not college educated, from what I have seen though.
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They are more effective at suppressing completely legitimate votes than they are stopping any sort of actual voter fraud, which is a real golden egg in and of itself
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in theory, nothing.
in practice, it's almost always used to prevent minorities from voting
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

I've seen some liberals claim that only certain people should be allowed to vote,

Which people are they suggesting?

Age limits so that those evil conservatives have less votes. Though I think a lot of people that think this aren't even of voting age yet.
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frozenshock posted...

Because it's done on purpose to diminish black votes as much as possible

Black people don't have ID? What?
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Usually it's something like people who are not college educated, from what I have seen though

ive never seen anyone say that. i have seen people say that trump won the no ncollege educated vote, but that is not the same thing, lol
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Make easy and safe to carry government ID free and very easily accessible and voter ID laws are fine. If you make ID laws and close DMVs then you're doing it wrong.
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How does it suppress minorities exactly?
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You have to have an ID to get welfare or get a job. Despite what liberals think of black people they're not a bunch of savages living in caves and feeding off wild rats.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Contains hidden laws that restrict or close DMVs in or near black neighborhoods.

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Soviet_Shurima posted...

ive never seen anyone say that. i have seen people say that trump won the no ncollege educated vote, but that is not the same thing, lol

It's been said on this very board, although how serious it was I'm not sure.
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thelovefist posted...

frozenshock posted...

Because it's done on purpose to diminish black votes as much as possible

Black people don't have ID? What?

Yeah, seriously. What the hell even was that post lmao.
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Suchomimus posted...

How does it suppress minorities exactly?

I never understood this argument either.
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Another stupid "Why are voter ID laws bad??" topic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/federal-judge-strikes-down-texas-voter-id-law.html?_r=0
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

The issue with proposed voter ID laws is either

A) They are done right but proposed by the minority in congress

B) Contains hidden laws that restrict or close DMVs in or near black neighborhoods.

This as well as the fact that for people living paycheck to paycheck or working under the table, it can be too expensive to get one even if the DMV trip doesn't interrupt their schedule
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Nomadic View posted...

You have to have an ID to get welfare or get a job. Despite what liberals think of black people they're not a bunch of savages living in caves and feeding off wild rats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
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KillerSlaw posted...

Nomadic View posted...

You have to have an ID to get welfare or get a job. Despite what liberals think of black people they're not a bunch of savages living in caves and feeding off wild rats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

lol that killed this topic
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voldothegr8 posted...

Suchomimus posted...

How does it suppress minorities exactly?

I never understood this argument either.

Say 98% of white people and 97% of black people have access to the required kind of IDs... well even just a small difference would knock 1% of black voters out. It's very calculated

It's the same reason why some large urban areas have one or two polling stations with huge lines where you essentially have to wait all day to vote, while rural areas have way more places where you can be in and out very quickly

All calculate to reduce as much as possible the people who are more likely to vote democrat. It's not like it's a secret
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so what is used now to ID someone when they vote?
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frozenshock posted...

All calculate to reduce as much as possible the people who are more likely to vote democrat. It's not like it's a secret

And yet the states with no voter ID laws still vote overwhelmingly Democrat with a few exceptions (WV, NC, MS, WY, NE)? Are you saying if it was stricter these states could flip red?

http://jacksonfreepress.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2012/08/29/Voter-ID-Map_crop_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d
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frozenshock posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Suchomimus posted...

How does it suppress minorities exactly?

I never understood this argument either.

Say 98% of white people and 97% of black people have access to the required kind of IDs... well even just a small difference would knock 1% of black voters out. It's very calculated

It's the same reason why some large urban areas have one or two polling stations with huge lines where you essentially have to wait all day to vote, while rural areas have way more places where you can be in and out very quickly

All calculate to reduce as much as possible the people who are more likely to vote democrat. It's not like it's a secret

It's not a secret to the point that in my state the GOP has actually been open about it with the reasoning of "So what we're just trying to win is that so bad???"
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ROBANN_88 posted...

so what is used now to ID someone when they vote?

When I voted they just looked my name up in the registry on the computer and that's it.
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frozenshock posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Suchomimus posted...

How does it suppress minorities exactly?

I never understood this argument either.

Say 98% of white people and 97% of black people have access to the required kind of IDs... well even just a small difference would knock 1% of black voters out. It's very calculated

It's the same reason why some large urban areas have one or two polling stations with huge lines where you essentially have to wait all day to vote, while rural areas have way more places where you can be in and out very quickly

All calculate to reduce as much as possible the people who are more likely to vote democrat. It's not like it's a secret

Again, I don't understand why that would be a thing. We all live in the same fucking country and laws aren't different for particular skin colors. Certain ones might get targeted more by police but that's a different subject. I find it hard to believe that any citizen would have a hard time getting an ID.
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Suchomimus posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

so what is used now to ID someone when they vote?

When I voted they just looked my name up in the registry on the computer and that's it.

i see
question 2: is this whole Voter ID thing about a new specific card only used for voting, or would it be possible to use any other card like drivers license, and whatever else kind of ID card people use over there?
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/01/opinion/voting-suppression-videogame.html?_r=0
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Laws like this are often introduced in poorer areas, a lot of times in heavily African American areas. One would have to go to the DMV, wait and pay a fee to obtain their ID. If you were living check to check and had to work it's harder to get to the DMV. That fee for the ID could go towards groeceries for the week. And that's just the first layer. The people who are affected most by who is elected would be left out....and it just "coincidentally" would happen to those most likely to vote Democrat.

If the US had a better system for ID, like a federal ID, then voter ID laws might make more sense. But each state has it's own ID and methods to obtain it that it's too easy for voter ID laws introduced in a state to end up restricting access to proper ID to vote from specific demographics.

Plus I don't believe many states if any give you the option to get an ID online which would also help keep voter ID laws fair.
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Anteaterking posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/01/opinion/voting-suppression-videogame.html?_r=0

lmfao the amount of exaggeration

Basically its bad because it will take longer to vote is all I got out of this.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Laws like this are often introduced in poorer areas, a lot of times in heavily African American areas. One would have to go to the DMV, wait and pay a fee to obtain their ID. If you were living check to check and had to work it's harder to get to the DMV. That fee for the ID could go towards groeceries for the week. And that's just the first layer. The people who are affected most by who is elected would be left out....and it just "coincidentally" would happen to those most likely to vote Democrat.

Not only that, the state will close all the DMVs except one, and/or set the hours that they're open to be 9-5, which are normal work hours for most, so they'd need to take time off work to go stand in line at the DMV.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

and/or set the hours that they're open to be 9-5

To be fair, I'm pretty all government buildings are only open during standard business hours.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Again, I don't understand why that would be a thing. We all live in the same fucking country and laws aren't different for particular skin colors

Neither were poll taxes and literacy tests. But as with those tactics for voter disenfranchisement, black people are less likely than whites to have the required ID (which IDs are valid for voting is a part of this, too) owing to various socioeconomic factors.
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If they had mobile ID places that went around to all the poorest places to give people an ID no one would complain. But that is not what is happening and they are even closing DMVs in black areas.
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SGT_Conti posted...

Make easy and safe to carry government ID free and very easily accessible and voter ID laws are fine. If you make ID laws and close DMVs then you're doing it wrong.

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emblem boy posted...

SGT_Conti posted...

Make easy and safe to carry government ID free and very easily accessible and voter ID laws are fine. If you make ID laws and close DMVs then you're doing it wrong.

I would love this, but then you get people screaming about government oppression, big brother, etc. National, mandatory ID cards would be a godsend for both this issue and law enforcement in general.
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There are Republican states that allow hunting IDs to be used as voter ID but not student IDs.

Phantom_Nook posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Laws like this are often introduced in poorer areas, a lot of times in heavily African American areas. One would have to go to the DMV, wait and pay a fee to obtain their ID. If you were living check to check and had to work it's harder to get to the DMV. That fee for the ID could go towards groeceries for the week. And that's just the first layer. The people who are affected most by who is elected would be left out....and it just "coincidentally" would happen to those most likely to vote Democrat.

Not only that, the state will close all the DMVs except one, and/or set the hours that they're open to be 9-5, which are normal work hours for most, so they'd need to take time off work to go stand in line at the DMV.

I don't know about other states but most all DMVs close at 5 in mine. Some might have a day where they stay open later but none around here.
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SomeGuyUO posted...

There are Republican states that allow hunting IDs to be used as voter ID but not student IDs.

Well one is issued by the state I assume, the other isn't.
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The problem is that most pepeople don't own all forms of ID, and such laws usually don't allows ones usually owned by Black people but allow the ones usually owned by White people. Combined with making harder for Black people to get one by closing DMVs in areas where most people are Black and leaving the ones in areas in which most people are White.

SK8T3R215 posted...

SomeGuyUO posted...

There are Republican states that allow hunting IDs to be used as voter ID but not student IDs.

Well one is issued by the state I assume, the other isn't.

Exactly. Student IDs hardly contain enough information to positively verify identity such as address in order to confirm if they're in the correct polling location, ID number registered with the state that can prove that they are who the state believes they are.

Also, I believe @SomeGuyUO means to say carry permit instead of hunting ID (sic) which often actually has essentially all the information necessary to qualify it as an acceptable photo ID (photo, address, state ID number, physical description, etc).
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Paragon21XX posted...

Exactly. Student IDs hardly contain enough information to positively verify identity such as address in order to confirm if they're in the correct polling location, ID number registered with the state that can prove that they are who the state believes they

Student IDs are issued by the school, the school is a state actor , and if they have their voter regs. card. Then there should no other issues. You have proof who they are and proof of where they live.
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Because in the past laws like this were used to control who votes. That is bad.
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