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Kineth 05/29/17 10:12:47 AM #51:	Vyrulisse posted... Most of the responses are typical. Deflection onto the other side as per usual. What I think people fail to see is that this isn't an Us vs Them debate or article. It is an opportunity for a lot of Liberals to use something called self-reflection and realize that you know, he's right. Liberals are so used to existing in insulated bubbles of support for their ideas that they have all become Kings unto themselves. Oh yeah, that's totally something exclusive to liberals and/or completely never happens for conservatives. I mean, cmon, didn't you start out by saying this isn't an US vs. Them thing and then started with that us vs. them bullshit? Yes, I know your second paragraph said "But Republicans!" Not the issue here, the issue is Liberals silencing all dissenting opinion and the fact that it's becoming more and more widespread and accepted by other Liberals. Which is why your introduction to your post makes the rest of it seem disingenuous, let alone not based in reality. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880010396] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the responses are typical. Deflection onto the other side as per usual. What I think people fail to see is that this isn't an Us vs Them debate or article. It is an opportunity for a lot of Liberals to use something called self-reflection and realize that you know, he's right. Liberals are so used to existing in insulated bubbles of support for their ideas that they have all become Kings unto themselves.</quote> Oh yeah, that's totally something exclusive to liberals and/or completely never happens for conservatives. I mean, cmon, didn't you start out by saying this isn't an US vs. Them thing and then started with that us vs. them bullshit? Yes, I know your second paragraph said <quote>"But Republicans!" Not the issue here, the issue is Liberals silencing all dissenting opinion and the fact that it's becoming more and more widespread and accepted by other Liberals. </quote> Which is why your introduction to your post makes the rest of it seem disingenuous, let alone not based in reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/29/17 10:13:20 AM #52:	Nomadic View posted... Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." If "hate speech" is that persuasive then you need to step up your game and combat it intellectually. No, what is actually happening is conservatives are the only ones bringing logic, reasoning, facts, science, statistics, data, history, law, and court precedent to the argument. That IS persuasive, and it's why so many people are being red Pilled. LOL you can not claim to care about facts, then support people like Trump. And racist never care about being called racist. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:880010411] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." If "hate speech" is that persuasive then you need to step up your game and combat it intellectually. No, what is actually happening is conservatives are the only ones bringing logic, reasoning, facts, science, statistics, data, history, law, and court precedent to the argument. That IS persuasive, and it's why so many people are being red Pilled.</quote> LOL you can not claim to care about facts, then support people like Trump. And racist never care about being called racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glass_Phantom 05/29/17 10:14:57 AM #53:	Nomadic View posted... Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!" <cite>Glass_Phantom posted [p:880010473] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." </quote> @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 05/29/17 10:25:42 AM #54:	averagejoel posted... it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:880010833] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience</quote> <cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>"It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree,"</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/29/17 10:30:19 AM #55:	masterpug53 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," Kind of like wanting to make some Civil Right groups terrorist organizations hmmm. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:880011005] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote> Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree,"</quote> Kind of like wanting to make some Civil Right groups terrorist organizations hmmm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 05/29/17 10:51:59 AM #56:	cjsdowg posted... masterpug53 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," Kind of like wanting to make some Civil Right groups terrorist organizations hmmm. You're referring to BLM? The same BLM with leaders who pray to Allah to help her not kill white people The same BLM that blocks ambulances with kids who need to get to a hospital inside? Is that the civil rights group you mean? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:880011718] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote> Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree,"</quote> Kind of like wanting to make some Civil Right groups terrorist organizations hmmm.</quote> You're referring to BLM? The same BLM with leaders who pray to Allah to help her not kill white people The same BLM that blocks ambulances with kids who need to get to a hospital inside? Is that the civil rights group you mean?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/29/17 11:04:27 AM #57:	Prolife groups literally gunned down people and bomb them. Alt-Right people have been killing people. But I guess we should class these people are terrorist. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:880012138] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>Prolife groups literally gunned down people and bomb them. Alt-Right people have been killing people. But I guess we should class these people are terrorist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 05/29/17 11:19:13 AM #58:	cjsdowg posted... Prolife groups literally gunned down people and bomb them. Alt-Right people have been killing people. But I guess we should class these people are terrorist. Political extremism should not be tolerated, regardless of which side they're on. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:880012702] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>Prolife groups literally gunned down people and bomb them. Alt-Right people have been killing people. But I guess we should class these people are terrorist.</quote> Political extremism should not be tolerated, regardless of which side they're on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/29/17 11:39:05 AM #59:	Coffeebeanz posted... cjsdowg posted... Prolife groups literally gunned down people and bomb them. Alt-Right people have been killing people. But I guess we should class these people are terrorist. Political extremism should not be tolerated, regardless of which side they're on. Misrepresenting the opposition shouldn't be tolerated either, but that's the go-to defense for extremists. And I'm saying that mostly about the BLM detractors. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880013508] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>Prolife groups literally gunned down people and bomb them. Alt-Right people have been killing people. But I guess we should class these people are terrorist.</quote> Political extremism should not be tolerated, regardless of which side they're on.</quote> Misrepresenting the opposition shouldn't be tolerated either, but that's the go-to defense for extremists. And I'm saying that mostly about the BLM detractors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/29/17 11:44:57 AM #60:	masterpug53 posted... averagejoel posted... it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," Mike Pence: we should electrocute the gays Gay person: how about no you: these points of view are opposed to each other,, so they must be equally valid, --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:880013784] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience</quote> <cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>"It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree,"</quote></quote> Mike Pence: we should electrocute the gays Gay person: how about no you: these points of view are opposed to each other,, so they must be equally valid,</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 05/29/17 11:45:14 AM #61:	kewldude475 posted... Is this another one of those "Be tolerant of my intolerance!" stances? Cuz by that logic everyone should be tolerant about every belief, and opinion we have about each other regardless since tolerance is king. The 'don't be tolerant of intolerance' creed is just as much a tool prone to abuse as anything else, and can lead its proponents to write off anyone with a differentiating viewpoint (or worse, anyone with the same viewpoint but not as hardline) as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:880013802] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>kewldude475 posted...</cite> <quote>Is this another one of those "Be tolerant of my intolerance!" stances? Cuz by that logic everyone should be tolerant about every belief, and opinion we have about each other regardless since tolerance is king.</quote> The 'don't be tolerant of intolerance' creed is just as much a tool prone to abuse as anything else, and can lead its proponents to write off anyone with a differentiating viewpoint (or worse, anyone with the same viewpoint but not as hardline) as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 05/29/17 11:45:50 AM #62:	averagejoel posted... masterpug53 posted... averagejoel posted... it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," Mike Pence: we should electrocute the gays Gay person: how about no you: these points of view are opposed to each other,, so they must be equally valid, No, more like the first quote does not represent his actual views accurately --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:880013831] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience</quote> <cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>"It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree,"</quote></quote> Mike Pence: we should electrocute the gays Gay person: how about no you: these points of view are opposed to each other,, so they must be equally valid,</quote> No, more like the first quote does not represent his actual views accurately</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 05/29/17 11:52:16 AM #64:	Coffeebeanz posted... averagejoel posted... masterpug53 posted... averagejoel posted... it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," Mike Pence: we should electrocute the gays Gay person: how about no you: these points of view are opposed to each other,, so they must be equally valid, No, more like the first quote does not represent his actual views accurately ok then, replace it with another repugnant thing Trump or a member of his cabinet has said about a marginalized group --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:880014141] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>it's not an issue of disagreement. it's an issue of them being horrible people who don't deserve an audience</quote> <cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>"It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree,"</quote></quote> Mike Pence: we should electrocute the gays Gay person: how about no you: these points of view are opposed to each other,, so they must be equally valid,</quote> No, more like the first quote does not represent his actual views accurately</quote> ok then, replace it with another repugnant thing Trump or a member of his cabinet has said about a marginalized group</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
G_G 05/29/17 11:54:37 AM #65:	tfw freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say BOO --- I am Microwaved_Eggs <cite>G_G posted [p:880014249] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>tfw freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say BOO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 05/29/17 11:55:01 AM #66:	cjsdowg posted... masterpug53 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," Kind of like wanting to make some Civil Right groups terrorist organizations hmmm. They have the right to voice their opinions on that, I doubt the government will recognize them as such because of freedom. --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:880014265] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote> Coffeebeanz posted... "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree,"</quote> Kind of like wanting to make some Civil Right groups terrorist organizations hmmm.</quote> They have the right to voice their opinions on that, I doubt the government will recognize them as such because of freedom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/29/17 11:56:20 AM #67:	Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:880014323] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 05/29/17 11:59:02 AM #68:	ASithLord7 posted... Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh --- No one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE! <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:880014447] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 05/29/17 1:12:50 PM #69:	ASithLord7 posted... Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh Yes Republicans and conservatives convene in a conclave where they rub their palms and cackle maniacally about how they want to subject the rest of the country to Orwellian terror. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:880018072] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh</quote> Yes Republicans and conservatives convene in a conclave where they rub their palms and cackle maniacally about how they want to subject the rest of the country to Orwellian terror.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 05/29/17 1:15:33 PM #70:	Coffeebeanz posted... http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/28/us/fareed-zakaria-liberals-cnntv/ CNN)Fareed Zakaria said Saturday that though many liberals think they are tolerant, often they aren't. Zakaria noted that "at the height of commencement season," many new graduates across the country had made their political views apparent, fromthe Notre Dame students who walked out as Vice President Mike Pence gave his commencement addressto thecrowd members who booed Secretary of Education Betsy DeVosduring a speech at Bethune-Cookman University. "American universities seem committed to every kind of diversity except intellectual diversity. Conservative voices and views are being silenced entirely," Zakaria said. The CNN host said he found this attitude strange, especially given that these incidents occurred on college campuses that "promised to give their undergraduates a liberal education." "The word liberal in this context has nothing to do with today's partisan language, but refers instead to the Latin root, pertaining to liberty. And at the heart of liberty in the Western world has been freedom of speech. From the beginning, people understood that this meant protecting and listening to speech with which you disagreed," Zakaria argued. That means, he said, not drowning out "the ideas that we find offensive." In addition, Zakaria noted what he called "an anti-intellectualism" on the left. "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," he said. "Liberals think they are tolerant but often they aren't," he added. To be fair conservatives are overall pretty intolerant, but it's good to see someone fighting back against this tendency to silence opposing views. Banning or avoiding ideas that challenge your worldview is the antithesis of what college should be about. Being a liberal isn't about tolerance. Fuck tolerance - I have zero for the willfully ignorant, for instance. Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, not coddling every morons opinion. Sounds like Fareed needs to get on board. --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880018197] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/28/us/fareed-zakaria-liberals-cnntv/ CNN)Fareed Zakaria said Saturday that though many liberals think they are tolerant, often they aren't. Zakaria noted that "at the height of commencement season," many new graduates across the country had made their political views apparent, fromthe Notre Dame students who walked out as Vice President Mike Pence gave his commencement addressto thecrowd members who booed Secretary of Education Betsy DeVosduring a speech at Bethune-Cookman University. "American universities seem committed to every kind of diversity except intellectual diversity. Conservative voices and views are being silenced entirely," Zakaria said. The CNN host said he found this attitude strange, especially given that these incidents occurred on college campuses that "promised to give their undergraduates a liberal education." "The word liberal in this context has nothing to do with today's partisan language, but refers instead to the Latin root, pertaining to liberty. And at the heart of liberty in the Western world has been freedom of speech. From the beginning, people understood that this meant protecting and listening to speech with which you disagreed," Zakaria argued. That means, he said, not drowning out "the ideas that we find offensive." In addition, Zakaria noted what he called "an anti-intellectualism" on the left. "It's an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an idea with which we disagree," he said. "Liberals think they are tolerant but often they aren't," he added. To be fair conservatives are overall pretty intolerant, but it's good to see someone fighting back against this tendency to silence opposing views. Banning or avoiding ideas that challenge your worldview is the antithesis of what college should be about.</quote> Being a liberal isn't about tolerance. Fuck tolerance - I have zero for the willfully ignorant, for instance. Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, not coddling every morons opinion. Sounds like Fareed needs to get on board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 05/29/17 1:20:31 PM #71:	Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, Justice is subjective. Certainly when you have a very simplified understanding of your opposition's political views. Anyone would be liberal if conservatives were as comic-book-evil as you're apparently implying. If all Democrats / Liberals were morally repugnant bastards like John Edwards, it'd be hard to support them, either. This self-righteous insistence on not listening to or partaking in discussion with political opposition is the antithesis of the classic liberal mindset. Ironically, they have become the very thing they supposedly abhor - single-minded, opinionated, holier-than-thou and ignorant. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:880018428] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, Justice is subjective. Certainly when you have a very simplified understanding of your opposition's political views. Anyone would be liberal if conservatives were as comic-book-evil as you're apparently implying. If all Democrats / Liberals were morally repugnant bastards like John Edwards, it'd be hard to support them, either. This self-righteous insistence on not listening to or partaking in discussion with political opposition is the antithesis of the classic liberal mindset. Ironically, they have become the very thing they supposedly abhor - single-minded, opinionated, holier-than-thou and ignorant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Allanon23 05/29/17 1:21:08 PM #72:	Amputation posted... Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, not coddling every morons opinion. Liberals should probably start doing that then, instead of getting mexican restaurants shut down for no damn reason. Start protesting real injustice, like how certain countries mistreat their women and LGBT members. There's PLENTY of that to stand up to. --- Attention campers, lunch has been cancelled today due to lack of hustle. Deal with it. Currently Let's Playing I Am Setsuna (Blind) <cite>Allanon23 posted [p:880018455] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote>Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, not coddling every morons opinion.</quote> Liberals should probably start doing that then, instead of getting mexican restaurants shut down for no damn reason. Start protesting real injustice, like how certain countries mistreat their women and LGBT members. There's PLENTY of that to stand up to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 05/29/17 1:28:13 PM #73:	Coffeebeanz posted... Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, Justice is subjective. Certainly when you have a very simplified understanding of your opposition's political views. Anyone would be liberal if conservatives were as comic-book-evil as you're apparently implying. If all Democrats / Liberals were morally repugnant bastards like John Edwards, it'd be hard to support them, either. This self-righteous insistence on not listening to or partaking in discussion with political opposition is the antithesis of the classic liberal mindset. Ironically, they have become the very thing they supposedly abhor - single-minded, opinionated, holier-than-thou and ignorant. I don't think conservatives are evil. I do think by and large they are ignorant as fuck though, and show general disdain for anyone out of their demographic. Allanon23 posted... Amputation posted... Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, not coddling every morons opinion. Liberals should probably start doing that then, instead of getting mexican restaurants shut down for no damn reason. Start protesting real injustice, like how certain countries mistreat their women and LGBT members. There's PLENTY of that to stand up to. Who's getting Mexican restaurants shut down? A few individuals from Fuck Knows, Oregon? Who gives a shit, they aren't representative of anything. Every liberal I know does stand up for that issue, so I'm not sure why you think otherwise. --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880018809] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, Justice is subjective. Certainly when you have a very simplified understanding of your opposition's political views. Anyone would be liberal if conservatives were as comic-book-evil as you're apparently implying. If all Democrats / Liberals were morally repugnant bastards like John Edwards, it'd be hard to support them, either. This self-righteous insistence on not listening to or partaking in discussion with political opposition is the antithesis of the classic liberal mindset. Ironically, they have become the very thing they supposedly abhor - single-minded, opinionated, holier-than-thou and ignorant.</quote> I don't think conservatives are evil. I do think by and large they are ignorant as fuck though, and show general disdain for anyone out of their demographic. <cite>Allanon23 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote>Being a liberal is about standing up against injustice, not coddling every morons opinion.</quote> Liberals should probably start doing that then, instead of getting mexican restaurants shut down for no damn reason. Start protesting real injustice, like how certain countries mistreat their women and LGBT members. There's PLENTY of that to stand up to.</quote> Who's getting Mexican restaurants shut down? A few individuals from Fuck Knows, Oregon? Who gives a shit, they aren't representative of anything. Every liberal I know does stand up for that issue, so I'm not sure why you think otherwise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/29/17 1:29:45 PM #74:	I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:880018871] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 05/29/17 1:34:17 PM #75:	hockeybub89 posted... I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself? I am intolerant as hell of Mike Pence, and won't make it a secret. he is a class A moron. --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880019073] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself?</quote> I am intolerant as hell of Mike Pence, and won't make it a secret. he is a class A moron.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/29/17 1:36:52 PM #76:	Coffeebeanz posted... ASithLord7 posted... Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh Yes Republicans and conservatives convene in a conclave where they rub their palms and cackle maniacally about how they want to subject the rest of the country to Orwellian terror. Everything I mentioned is both the party platform and what Pence et al support. Not sure what you're trying to say here. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:880019180] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>Wahhh won't those college students be nice to the people who want to take away their healthcare, reproductive, and civil rights wahhh</quote> Yes Republicans and conservatives convene in a conclave where they rub their palms and cackle maniacally about how they want to subject the rest of the country to Orwellian terror.</quote> Everything I mentioned is both the party platform and what Pence et al support. Not sure what you're trying to say here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 05/29/17 1:38:27 PM #77:	hockeybub89 posted... I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself? It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies. --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:880019257] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself?</quote> It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/29/17 1:39:46 PM #78:	Dathrowed1 posted... hockeybub89 posted... I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself? It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies. It isn't intolerance to not want to listen to whatever creepy-ass Mike Pence has to say. Stop shitposting. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:880019327] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dathrowed1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself?</quote> It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies.</quote> It isn't intolerance to not want to listen to whatever creepy-ass Mike Pence has to say. Stop shitposting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/29/17 1:40:55 PM #79:	Dathrowed1 posted... hockeybub89 posted... I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself? It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies. Mike Pence is free to speak, but no one is under any obligation to listen. protest is also a form of free speech --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:880019385] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dathrowed1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself?</quote> It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies.</quote> Mike Pence is free to speak, but no one is under any obligation to listen. protest is also a form of free speech</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/29/17 1:43:45 PM #80:	Dathrowed1 posted... hockeybub89 posted... I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself? It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies. How is someone choosing to not listening to someone else an attack on freedom? Joe Blow is not obligated to sit and listen to your freedom of speech. Because he has freedom as well. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:880019532] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dathrowed1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>I can't believe walking out on a Mike Pence speech is being harped on as intolerance. I also don't watch CNN or Fox News talk shows. Does that make me intolerant of liberals and conservatives and insulated from dissenting opinions? I have to sit in various echo chambers to not be in an echo chamber myself?</quote> It is intolerance. The sad truth about freedom is the litmus test is by how free your enemies are and not your amies.</quote> How is someone choosing to not listening to someone else an attack on freedom? Joe Blow is not obligated to sit and listen to your freedom of speech. Because he has freedom as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bvillebro 05/29/17 1:49:00 PM #81:	Tagging --- Learning something new everyday <cite>bvillebro posted [p:880019817] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>Tagging</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 05/29/17 1:57:34 PM #82:	"Intellectual diversity" is sort of a weasel word here. It's not as if Mike Pence and others were sitting down and having a conversation and he wasn't allowed to express his views. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:880020222] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>"Intellectual diversity" is sort of a weasel word here. It's not as if Mike Pence and others were sitting down and having a conversation and he wasn't allowed to express his views.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/29/17 2:09:26 PM #83:	i find it funny, People on the right bitch about PC and when you down kowtow to them they are to first to cry about how mean you are being. A QB takes a Knee and people want to kill him, the President even goes after him. But that is ok. Students walk out on a speech from man who negligence help spark an HIV bomb in his state. Republicans scream about tolerance. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:880020808] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>i find it funny, People on the right bitch about PC and when you down kowtow to them they are to first to cry about how mean you are being. A QB takes a Knee and people want to kill him, the President even goes after him. But that is ok. Students walk out on a speech from man who negligence help spark an HIV bomb in his state. Republicans scream about tolerance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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megATOMOS 05/29/17 2:15:49 PM #85:	Why do I care what Fareed Zakaria thinks? --- http://i.imgur.com/8GzlC.gif <cite>megATOMOS posted [p:880021130] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>Why do I care what Fareed Zakaria thinks?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 05/29/17 3:19:30 PM #86:	Glass_Phantom posted... Nomadic View posted... Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!" That is a perfectly reasonable and well articulated point. Although you have people like Paul Joseph Watson that just flat out use the tactic you stated. There are people like Ben Shapiro that present the argument using actual facts and statistics to push the point. There is certainly a picture being painted that puts liberals in a negative light when speakers are met with riots on a weekly basis. It weakens the liberal side of the argument. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:880024476] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." </quote> @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!"</quote> That is a perfectly reasonable and well articulated point. Although you have people like Paul Joseph Watson that just flat out use the tactic you stated. There are people like Ben Shapiro that present the argument using actual facts and statistics to push the point. There is certainly a picture being painted that puts liberals in a negative light when speakers are met with riots on a weekly basis. It weakens the liberal side of the argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 05/29/17 3:21:44 PM #87:	cjsdowg posted... i find it funny, People on the right bitch about PC and when you down kowtow to them they are to first to cry about how mean you are being. A QB takes a Knee and people want to kill him, the President even goes after him. But that is ok. Students walk out on a speech from man who negligence help spark an HIV bomb in his state. Republicans scream about tolerance. Facts right here. --- No one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE! <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:880024603] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote>i find it funny, People on the right bitch about PC and when you down kowtow to them they are to first to cry about how mean you are being. A QB takes a Knee and people want to kill him, the President even goes after him. But that is ok. Students walk out on a speech from man who negligence help spark an HIV bomb in his state. Republicans scream about tolerance.</quote> Facts right here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 05/29/17 3:52:49 PM #88:	Nomadic View posted... Glass_Phantom posted... Nomadic View posted... Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!" That is a perfectly reasonable and well articulated point. Although you have people like Paul Joseph Watson that just flat out use the tactic you stated. There are people like Ben Shapiro that present the argument using actual facts and statistics to push the point. There is certainly a picture being painted that puts liberals in a negative light when speakers are met with riots on a weekly basis. It weakens the liberal side of the argument. You're absolutely right, but both sides engage in plays to irrational emotion. It's a lot easier to call support for abortion "pro choice" than to debate the ethical implications (and I am pro-choice, in case you're wondering) because it sounds nice. It wraps a complicated issue in a pretty package with a bow. Who doesn't like bows? Only sexists don't like bows. When you label your opponents as sexists, racists, bigots - those are loaded terms that trump whatever political ideologies they may have. It shuts down intelligent discourse. Both sides are enemies of each other's straw men. The conservatives obsess over liberals that don't really exist, and vice versa. We're all Americans first - yeah, we can disagree on issues. Like adults. What our democracy has devolved into is party to do with a media that, on all sides of the political spectrum, is not interested in objectivity. And the less objective the media appears to be, the easier it is to pass off as "fake news". Then all bets are off - you've got garbage like Pizzagate on the right, this nebulous Russian hacking narrative that's going nowhere on the left, etc. People don't want the truth anymore - they want the truth that fits their worldview. It's a travesty - we don't even know what we stand for anymore. You just choose which straw man version of conservatism or liberalism you want to oppose, and you charge forward blindly ignoring anything that may induce cognitive dissonance. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:880026249] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." </quote> @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!"</quote> That is a perfectly reasonable and well articulated point. Although you have people like Paul Joseph Watson that just flat out use the tactic you stated. There are people like Ben Shapiro that present the argument using actual facts and statistics to push the point. There is certainly a picture being painted that puts liberals in a negative light when speakers are met with riots on a weekly basis. It weakens the liberal side of the argument.</quote> You're absolutely right, but both sides engage in plays to irrational emotion. It's a lot easier to call support for abortion "pro choice" than to debate the ethical implications (and I am pro-choice, in case you're wondering) because it sounds nice. It wraps a complicated issue in a pretty package with a bow. Who doesn't like bows? Only sexists don't like bows. When you label your opponents as sexists, racists, bigots - those are loaded terms that trump whatever political ideologies they may have. It shuts down intelligent discourse. Both sides are enemies of each other's straw men. The conservatives obsess over liberals that don't really exist, and vice versa. We're all Americans first - yeah, we can disagree on issues. Like adults. What our democracy has devolved into is party to do with a media that, on all sides of the political spectrum, is not interested in objectivity. And the less objective the media appears to be, the easier it is to pass off as "fake news". Then all bets are off - you've got garbage like Pizzagate on the right, this nebulous Russian hacking narrative that's going nowhere on the left, etc. People don't want the truth anymore - they want the truth that fits their worldview. It's a travesty - we don't even know what we stand for anymore. You just choose which straw man version of conservatism or liberalism you want to oppose, and you charge forward blindly ignoring anything that may induce cognitive dissonance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 05/29/17 3:57:16 PM #89:	Coffeebeanz posted... Nomadic View posted... Glass_Phantom posted... Nomadic View posted... Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!" That is a perfectly reasonable and well articulated point. Although you have people like Paul Joseph Watson that just flat out use the tactic you stated. There are people like Ben Shapiro that present the argument using actual facts and statistics to push the point. There is certainly a picture being painted that puts liberals in a negative light when speakers are met with riots on a weekly basis. It weakens the liberal side of the argument. You're absolutely right, but both sides engage in plays to irrational emotion. It's a lot easier to call support for abortion "pro choice" than to debate the ethical implications (and I am pro-choice, in case you're wondering) because it sounds nice. It wraps a complicated issue in a pretty package with a bow. Who doesn't like bows? Only sexists don't like bows. When you label your opponents as sexists, racists, bigots - those are loaded terms that trump whatever political ideologies they may have. It shuts down intelligent discourse. Both sides are enemies of each other's straw men. The conservatives obsess over liberals that don't really exist, and vice versa. We're all Americans first - yeah, we can disagree on issues. Like adults. What our democracy has devolved into is party to do with a media that, on all sides of the political spectrum, is not interested in objectivity. And the less objective the media appears to be, the easier it is to pass off as "fake news". Then all bets are off - you've got garbage like Pizzagate on the right, this nebulous Russian hacking narrative that's going nowhere on the left, etc. People don't want the truth anymore - they want the truth that fits their worldview. It's a travesty - we don't even know what we stand for anymore. You just choose which straw man version of conservatism or liberalism you want to oppose, and you charge forward blindly ignoring anything that may induce cognitive dissonance. How do you fix it? Can it be fixed? It seems our discourse is just going to get worse and worse until it reaches a breaking point that won't be good for anybody. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:880026503] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Glass_Phantom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Most of what I hear as to why liberals want to shut down conservatives is because they're spreading "hate speech." </quote> @Nomadic_View If only it were that simple! I am a proud liberal, and I try to make well-reasoned intellectual arguments as much as I can. Unfortunately, when God created us human beings, He didn't wire our brains so that the intellectual argument always comes out on top... emotion trumps reason; pathos trumps logos. Always has, always will. Do you really think so many people would be convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich, or there's a secret pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza parlor, or any of the other fake news we saw last year if intellectual arguments REALLY COULD unmoor people's passionate hatred and distrust of the "other side?" No... Emotion has always been what's spurred people to action. An argument like, "99.9% of Muslims are good, law-abiding people who just want a safe place to raise their children," has got nothing on, "Look at what they did to those poor girls in Germany! They HATE us, so we should hate them! If we let them into our country, they'll drive up crime, replace our culture, blow us up, and rape our women!"</quote> That is a perfectly reasonable and well articulated point. Although you have people like Paul Joseph Watson that just flat out use the tactic you stated. There are people like Ben Shapiro that present the argument using actual facts and statistics to push the point. There is certainly a picture being painted that puts liberals in a negative light when speakers are met with riots on a weekly basis. It weakens the liberal side of the argument.</quote> You're absolutely right, but both sides engage in plays to irrational emotion. It's a lot easier to call support for abortion "pro choice" than to debate the ethical implications (and I am pro-choice, in case you're wondering) because it sounds nice. It wraps a complicated issue in a pretty package with a bow. Who doesn't like bows? Only sexists don't like bows. When you label your opponents as sexists, racists, bigots - those are loaded terms that trump whatever political ideologies they may have. It shuts down intelligent discourse. Both sides are enemies of each other's straw men. The conservatives obsess over liberals that don't really exist, and vice versa. We're all Americans first - yeah, we can disagree on issues. Like adults. What our democracy has devolved into is party to do with a media that, on all sides of the political spectrum, is not interested in objectivity. And the less objective the media appears to be, the easier it is to pass off as "fake news". Then all bets are off - you've got garbage like Pizzagate on the right, this nebulous Russian hacking narrative that's going nowhere on the left, etc. People don't want the truth anymore - they want the truth that fits their worldview. It's a travesty - we don't even know what we stand for anymore. You just choose which straw man version of conservatism or liberalism you want to oppose, and you charge forward blindly ignoring anything that may induce cognitive dissonance.</quote> How do you fix it? Can it be fixed? It seems our discourse is just going to get worse and worse until it reaches a breaking point that won't be good for anybody.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 05/29/17 4:00:07 PM #90:	DrizztLink posted... I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen. how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley http://i.imgur.com/4GzX1.jpg <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:880026688] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen.</quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/29/17 4:01:19 PM #91:	BillyKidd posted... how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! If she was doing that she would be for helping build public schools. Not giving money to schools who can literally discriminate. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:880026757] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> If she was doing that she would be for helping build public schools. Not giving money to schools who can literally discriminate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 05/29/17 4:01:31 PM #92:	I don't know... It could start with establishing a source of news that is accepted as objective by both sides, but that sounds basically impossible. We've basically created two separate political world's which depend on your chosen source of news. It's actually kind of a cross between democracy and an Orwellian dystopia. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:880026772] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote>I don't know... It could start with establishing a source of news that is accepted as objective by both sides, but that sounds basically impossible. We've basically created two separate political world's which depend on your chosen source of news. It's actually kind of a cross between democracy and an Orwellian dystopia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/29/17 4:02:36 PM #93:	Coffeebeanz posted... It could start with establishing a source of news that is accepted as objective by both sides The problem lies on one side and one side only. Pretty much every rational human being agrees that sources like the NYT, WaPo, Reuters, Politico, etc are good and unbiased sources, but Republicans want to cling to Fox and Breitbart. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:880026840] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>It could start with establishing a source of news that is accepted as objective by both sides</quote> The problem lies on one side and one side only. Pretty much every rational human being agrees that sources like the NYT, WaPo, Reuters, Politico, etc are good and unbiased sources, but Republicans want to cling to Fox and Breitbart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 05/29/17 4:05:03 PM #94:	cjsdowg posted... BillyKidd posted... how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! If she was doing that she would be for helping build public schools. Not giving money to schools who can literally discriminate. That's on the parents giving their kids' voucher to that school, not her. The government isn't your nanny or your momma, stop treating it like it is. --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley http://i.imgur.com/4GzX1.jpg <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:880026975] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> If she was doing that she would be for helping build public schools. Not giving money to schools who can literally discriminate.</quote> That's on the parents giving their kids' voucher to that school, not her. The government isn't your nanny or your momma, stop treating it like it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 05/29/17 4:08:12 PM #95:	BillyKidd posted... DrizztLink posted... I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen. how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! Who told you that, because it is absolutely false. --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880027167] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen.</quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> Who told you that, because it is absolutely false.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 05/29/17 4:09:47 PM #96:	Amputation posted... BillyKidd posted... DrizztLink posted... I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen. how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! Who told you that, because it is absolutely false. by all means, citation needed. --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley http://i.imgur.com/4GzX1.jpg <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:880027264] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen.</quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> Who told you that, because it is absolutely false.</quote> by all means, citation needed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/29/17 4:10:15 PM #97:	BillyKidd posted... Amputation posted... BillyKidd posted... DrizztLink posted... I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen. how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! Who told you that, because it is absolutely false. by all means, citation needed. Pretty sure that one's on you chum --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:880027290] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen.</quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> Who told you that, because it is absolutely false.</quote> by all means, citation needed.</quote> Pretty sure that one's on you chum</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 05/29/17 4:15:49 PM #98:	ASithLord7 posted... BillyKidd posted... Amputation posted... BillyKidd posted... DrizztLink posted... I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen. how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! Who told you that, because it is absolutely false. by all means, citation needed. Pretty sure that one's on you chum It's called "common fucking sense". When Jo Blo, 10, Detroit, MI has the opportunity to attend a quality school, due to a school voucher, he gets to focus more on education and less on playing keep away with his food amongst the rats and roaches at his shitty closer school. Kids shouldn't be forced into a particular school because of their zip code. --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley http://i.imgur.com/4GzX1.jpg <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:880027623] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen.</quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> Who told you that, because it is absolutely false.</quote> by all means, citation needed.</quote> Pretty sure that one's on you chum</quote> It's called "common fucking sense". When Jo Blo, 10, Detroit, MI has the opportunity to attend a quality school, due to a school voucher, he gets to focus more on education and less on playing keep away with his food amongst the rats and roaches at his shitty closer school. Kids shouldn't be forced into a particular school because of their zip code.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 05/29/17 4:16:02 PM #99:	BillyKidd posted... Amputation posted... BillyKidd posted... DrizztLink posted... I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen. how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! Who told you that, because it is absolutely false. by all means, citation needed. You made the claim, burden of proof is on you. But I'll play. There are no sources of proof out there that her goal is what you stated, except for a few statements. No action. But what is a fact and what is clear is that she wants to inject as much Christianity in the education system as possible. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-education-secretary-betsy-devos-a-win-for-the-christian-right-w470605 --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880027633] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen.</quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> Who told you that, because it is absolutely false.</quote> by all means, citation needed.</quote> You made the claim, burden of proof is on you. But I'll play. There are no sources of proof out there that her goal is what you stated, except for a few statements. No action. But what is a fact and what is clear is that she wants to inject as much Christianity in the education system as possible. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-education-secretary-betsy-devos-a-win-for-the-christian-right-w470605</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 05/29/17 4:24:37 PM #100:	Amputation posted... BillyKidd posted... Amputation posted... BillyKidd posted... DrizztLink posted... I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen. how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families! Who told you that, because it is absolutely false. by all means, citation needed. You made the claim, burden of proof is on you. But I'll play. There are no sources of proof out there that her goal is what you stated, except for a few statements. No action. But what is a fact and what is clear is that she wants to inject as much Christianity in the education system as possible. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-education-secretary-betsy-devos-a-win-for-the-christian-right-w470605 You should re-read your sources. All that says is Betsy is a Christian. They then devolve into saying she's bad because of projected hypotheticals and because her mommy is in a Christian group. All conjecture and no basis in fact. --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley http://i.imgur.com/4GzX1.jpg <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:880028118] in Fareed Zak... [t:75398257]...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>I'd boo Betsy DeVos as well, but I imagine I'd be willing to give almost anyone else a fair listen.</quote> how dare she want poor urban youth have the same opportunity to a good education as mid-upper class suburban families!</quote> Who told you that, because it is absolutely false.</quote> by all means, citation needed.</quote> You made the claim, burden of proof is on you. But I'll play. There are no sources of proof out there that her goal is what you stated, except for a few statements. No action. But what is a fact and what is clear is that she wants to inject as much Christianity in the education system as possible. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-education-secretary-betsy-devos-a-win-for-the-christian-right-w470605</quote> You should re-read your sources. All that says is Betsy is a Christian. They then devolve into saying she's bad because of projected hypotheticals and because her mommy is in a Christian group. All conjecture and no basis in fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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